SOFT NEWS Man learns father is Charles Manson

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Man learns father is Charles Manson
14:00 AEST Mon Nov 23 2009
22 minutes ago

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/974826/man-learns-father-is-charles-manson


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Like father, like son ... Charles Manson and Matthew Roberts have been in contact through letters. (AAP)
Like father, like son ... Charles Manson and Matthew Roberts have been in contact through letters. (AAP)


A US man has revealed his anguish over learning that his father is serial killer Charles Manson.

Matthew Roberts was given up by his biological mother soon after his birth in 1968 and lived happily for decades before learning the truth about his origins.

"It's like finding out that Adolf Hitler is your father," he was quoted by The Sun as saying. "I'm a peaceful person trapped in the face of a monster."

Roberts became obsessed with discovering his true identity after one of his sisters told him he was adopted.

He contacted his biological mother Terry through a social services agency and soon learned his real given names — Lawrence Alexander — but she refused to reveal his surname or the identity of his father.

But after a series of pleading letters, Terry admitted the truth: she had run away to a hippie commune after being seduced by Manson, despite warnings from her father that he was a "white-trash biker bandit".

They ended up in San Francisco, where Terry claims she was raped and impregnated by Manson during a drug-fuelled orgy before she returned to her family home.

Allegations that Roberts is Manson's son are supported by their strong resemblance — they share the same eyes, nose, mouth and large forehead while Roberts has unwittingly followed his father's path into music and poetry.

The pacifist vegetarian is also concerned that he has inherited his father's schizophrenia and tendency for violence, even though he is adamantly against such activity.

"I'm not nuts but I've got a little bit of it — it's scary and upsetting," he told The Sun.

"If I get worked up, my eyes get really big and that's really freaked out some people before."

Roberts has also struggled with his decision to make contact with Manson.

The homicidal cult leader has sent 10 notes and postcards to his biological son since contact was first made seven years ago — all of them signed with the Nazi swastika.

"At first I was stunned and depressed … I wasn't able to speak for a day, I remember not being able to eat," he said.

In the letters, Manson recalls meeting Terry and hints that he is Roberts's biological father.

But despite the relationship, Roberts has not yet been able to bring himself to speak to Manson over the phone even though he admits to feeling "some kind of emotional affection".

"That's the hardest thing of all — feeling love for a monster who raped my mother," he says.

"I don't want to love him but I don't want to hate him either."
 

BigBadBossyDog

Membership Revoked
If that were truly the case, why is he advertising? I would keep my mouth shut throughout eternity.

Sounds to me like someone wanting attention for some strange reason.

And if it was really an orgy, how does the mother know who impregnanted her?

Did they all have a little family reunion at the DNA testing lab?

I smell something.
 

Milk-maid

Girls with Guns Member
wow, I think this is one of the most disturbing things I have read on here in a long time. Can you imagine being in his shoes? How horrible.
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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The guy needs counseling. Or at least to take a long look at those pictures, and realize that while he may have Manson's features superficially, the eyes aren't the same at all.

Thank God!

Summerthyme
 

Dobbin

Faithful Steed
Roberts has also struggled with his decision to make contact with Manson.

That would be a no brainer - no contact for me.

It's not like Dad has felt especially compelled to return the interest. And knowing that he procreated a son, is it going to make any particular difference in Manson's life? I don't expect Manson will especially glow in admiration of himself, or take the least interest in his son or any of his activities.

Dad is just a living sperm bank - that's all.

Joe
 

Sligo

Membership Revoked
He is a child of rape. He needs counseling. And if he found out 7 years ago, why has he gone out of his way to have his hair and beard look like Manson? One can only hope he doesn't want to copy his father's actions, too.
 

brokenwings

Veteran Member
As an adoptee I can tell you that it is an emotional thing that you have no control over. He is in love with the idea of having found his biological father. It is a weird feeling. I went thru it too when I found my birth parents. Even though my father had died three years before I found him I found a strange love for him. It is in your own head and not real. He need counseling from someone who is adopted so they can understand what he is really going thru. He needs to stay as far away from Manson as he can. Manson has a strange power to control people. I believe he is demon possessed and that is is power.
 

Josie

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I have often wondered if, taking into consideration his lifestyle at the time, Manson had any kids. Were any of the children at the ranch his?

This guy looks enough like him that any paternity test wouldn't be needed.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
The poor man needs an understanding ear at the very least and perhaps a good medical check up if he is worried about a genetic tendency towards mental illness. I

His father was a monster, but he was also from what I heard from people who met him when he was younger a talented musician, a decent poet and a natural born leader. Those are qualities his biological father chose to use for evil but he himself can choose to use them for good.

I can see how it would be very upsetting to learn something like this and I can also understand not wanting hate the person who donated the sperm that gave you life. He does not have to hate him, but the absence of hate is not the same thing as love either. Neither is compassion if he decides after a lot of thought to continue to write letters or even speak on the phone. That does not make him a monster, it makes him a lost son who finding his father has been a terrible man, is still willing to keep contact with him, up to a point.

But he sounds like he does really need someone qualified and trained to talk to, emote to and help him come to terms with him.

As Summertyme says, his eyes may have a strong physical likeness, I nearly jumped out of my seat when I first saw the features (if he is not Mason's biological son then I'd be amazed) but the light in them is very different.

Even if he feels some stirs of madness or violence within himself, the fact that he is aware of them and gets help to control them make him a very different kettle of fish than his dad. Finally, he is also 50 percent his mother who had the courage to go home and face her parents after what happened (instead of staying to become corrupted herself) then loved him enough to give him over to parents she believed could do a better job of raising him than she could.

So, by birth, he is 50 percent a caring and brave young women's who made a mistake and tried to do what she could to patch it up; as well as molded by a totally different family with no connections to Mason at all.

But he has to realize this for himself, sill the photo's are amazing. It would be even stronger if they used the picture of Mason taking in the Height when he was in his thirties.

Also, I share Mason the Elders birthday and I find that creepy enough, being his child would be very strange indeed.
 

Straycat

Veteran Member
If that were truly the case, why is he advertising? I would keep my mouth shut throughout eternity.

Something like this is likely to come out sooner or later. Even if he kept his mouth shut, someone else would end up talking, or some bored reporter would eventually dig it up. Better to deal with the publicity on his own terms, not someone else's; that's how I would handle it.
 

Milk-maid

Girls with Guns Member
I've got to agree... it sounds as if he is in some strange way, proud of this fact. I'd be mortified if it was me.
 

fruit loop

Inactive
No, he's not responsible for his father.

The article is also incorrect. Charlie is not schizophrenic. He is a psychopath. Psychopaths are not insane. They know exactly what they are doing, are aware that it's immoral (if not also illegal), and simply do not care.

It's also incorrect that Manson is a serial killer. When Charlie says he didn't kill anyone, he is telling the truth. Charlie DIDN'T kill anyone...he ordered it, and was guilty of conspiracy to commit murder. He was too smart to get his own hands dirty.

Charlie was very intelligent and quite talented as a musician. Another reason why he was so dangerous as a psychopath.
 

Milk-maid

Girls with Guns Member
"Charlie" is not schizophrenic.
... When Charlie says he didn't kill anyone, he is telling the truth. Charlie DIDN'T kill anyone...Charlie was very intelligent and quite talented as a musician..

Agreed, Charles is a psychopath...not skitzo. Are you and "Charlie" on a personal first name basis now? is there something you're not telling us FL?
 

Scotto

Set Apart
His father was a monster, but he was also from what I heard from people who met him when he was younger a talented musician, a decent poet and a natural born leader.

And he was friends with one of the beach boys, who recorded one of his songs and put it on one of their albums. Then he was rejected by the music biz, and Sharon Tate happened to live in the house once occupied by a music exec. who dissed Manson. But thru drugs or whatever, looks like Manson became possessed before he created his own little slice of hell on earth. Who knows what he could have been if he became a successful musician?

Who knows what Hitler could have became if his artwork hadn't been rejected? Look at some of Hitler's early sketches or paintings, IMO he was pretty talented before he too, became either mad or possessed.

2 men, both talented, both rejected, seperated by half a century and both capable of mesmerizing people into the most heinous acts imaginable.

God has people that do his will, and so does satan.
 

Phil Ca

Inactive
Let us hope he does not take after the father too much, one evil Manson is enough IMO.

Back in the 80's I was on a tour of California Medical Facility near Vacaville with a police officer from the PD where I served as a reserve officer. We had two HS students that were studying to be police officers. During one point in th tour we were shown th prison chapel. As we entered and stood near a row of pews the man at the other end of the row looked up from his dusting job. He was Charles Manson of all people. Our tour guide greeted him and he looked at us with th most evil eyes I have ever seen on a person. He will get his just desserts at the Second Coming.
 

fruit loop

Inactive
The Beach Boy was Brian Wilson. Charlie lived in his house for awhile, played backup on one of his albums, and he weaseled around a hundred grand out of Brian to pay expenses for The Family.

Sweet Baboo's professor at seminary interviewed Manson and said Charlie is the worst psychopath he ever met.

I agree that he was probably present when Shorty Shea was killed, but I bet anything he didn't do it himself. He was too smart to risk a murder rap for himself.
 

GingerN

Veteran Member
And he was friends with one of the beach boys, who recorded one of his songs and put it on one of their albums. Then he was rejected by the music biz, and Sharon Tate happened to live in the house once occupied by a music exec. who dissed Manson. But thru drugs or whatever, looks like Manson became possessed before he created his own little slice of hell on earth. Who knows what he could have been if he became a successful musician?

Who knows what Hitler could have became if his artwork hadn't been rejected? Look at some of Hitler's early sketches or paintings, IMO he was pretty talented before he too, became either mad or possessed.

2 men, both talented, both rejected, seperated by half a century and both capable of mesmerizing people into the most heinous acts imaginable.

God has people that do his will, and so does satan.

Well like I tell my girls, Lucifer was the most beautiful and talented of all the angels before he was cast out.....
 

fruit loop

Inactive
GingerN, that story about Lucifer being cast out of heaven is not in the Bible at all. It's medieval fiction, in the works of Milton and Dante.

Charlie has other children, too.
 

Donald Shimoda

In Absentia
Man learns father is Charles Manson
14:00 AEST Mon Nov 23 2009
22 minutes ago

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/world/974826/man-learns-father-is-charles-manson


They ended up in San Francisco, where Terry claims she was raped and impregnated by Manson during a drug-fuelled orgy before she returned to her family home.





And if it was really an orgy, how does the mother know who impregnanted her?

Did they all have a little family reunion at the DNA testing lab?

I smell something.



Howdy, Folks!



Heh - great minds think alike. I wondered exactly the same thing after I read, "drug-fuelled orgy."


Those kinda "parties" tend to make Father's Day the most confusing holiday of the year...

:shr:
 

GingerN

Veteran Member
GingerN, that story about Lucifer being cast out of heaven is not in the Bible at all. It's medieval fiction, in the works of Milton and Dante.

Charlie has other children, too.

Didn't say it was in the Bible (if I am not mistaken, it was in Paradise Lost). I use it as a way of saying that just because something looks to be good does not mean it is. Of course, no one could look at Manson and think he was good at all.
 

Troke

On TB every waking moment
"...Who knows what Hitler could have became if his artwork hadn't been rejected? Look at some of Hitler's early sketches or paintings, IMO he was pretty talented before he too, became either mad or possessed..."

Hitlers paintings were rejected by the Academy in Vienna so he didn't make the cut. The top echelon of the Nazi Party was so rife with failed artists, writers etc that it has actually attracted attention. Some people think there is enough of a message there that such people should be closely watched should they suddenly get creative ideas in politics.
 

Scotto

Set Apart
Charlie has other children, too.

And one of them is Charles Manson Jr.

Poor bastard.

I heard there is an estimate of him fathering 4-5 children, but most mothers have kept their kids hidden from the public eye and they have other last names.

*ETA: They no longer make prison 'name badges' for Manson, as the guards were stealing them. Even Manson's signature is considered contraband there.
 

fruit loop

Inactive
Some of The Family were allowed conjugal visits for awhile. Tex Watson fathered four kids while in prison.

As for being raped while taking drugs: taking drugs/drinking doesn't mean that one also consents to having sex.
 

Scotto

Set Apart
As for being raped while taking drugs: taking drugs/drinking doesn't mean that one also consents to having sex.

Spot on there.

But me thinks maybe it was consentual, and after Charlie was busted and charged there was no way that woman would admit to wanting to have sex with him.

If you're at a party and drinking and blown away on LSD or what the drug du jour was at that time, and there's an orgy going on, best to beat a retreat by the time the orgy gets rockin' and rollin', IMO.
 

FlyLadyFan

Inactive
Kinda like being Leia in Star Wars not wanting to accept the Darth Vader is your father.

What, are you Kelso from That '70s Show? ;)

ETA:

In response to other posts above:

Isaiah 14
12 " How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations!


FLF

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breezyhill

Veteran Member
What, are you Kelso from That '70s Show? ;)

ETA:

In response to other posts above:

Isaiah 14
12 " How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations!


FLF

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thanks flf, for posting that verse. I knew it was in the Bible somewhere.
breezyhill
 

fruit loop

Inactive
And that is the SOLE reference to Lucifer in the Bible.

Nowhere does it say that he was an archangel, cast out of heaven for leading a rebellion against God, or that he and Satan are one and the same.

All that is from medieval literature....yet is taught in some churches as fact. I was, in Baptist Sunday School.

Sad and appalling.
 

breezyhill

Veteran Member
And that is the SOLE reference to Lucifer in the Bible.

Nowhere does it say that he was an archangel, cast out of heaven for leading a rebellion against God, or that he and Satan are one and the same.

All that is from medieval literature....yet is taught in some churches as fact. I was, in Baptist Sunday School.

Sad and appalling.

it's in Revelation, too. :dhr::dhr:
breezyhill
 
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