Merde!.....
WoT Main Islamic State (ISIS) thread
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Merde!.....
Lilbitsnana
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Shahr2ad 50m
@baghdadinvest ISIS spox announced:Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi as Amir Al-Mumenin resorted Caliphate and there is no ISIS,just "IS" 4 all muslims!
Dr Shahid @DR_SHAHID 43m
@Shahr2ad @baghdadinvest Wait..What? For Pakistan Too? #IS With Nukes? Seriously!
@DR_SHAHID @baghdadinvest Caliphate for all muslims, pakis included if they go for beya't w Abu Bakr Baghdadi. Do not worry,won't happen IMO
شهــــرزاد @Shahr2ad
@DR_SHAHID @baghdadinvest I am keen to see how will Al-Zawaheri react to this Caliphate!
Zulfiqarhayder Malik @MalikMhz 27m
@Shahr2ad @DR_SHAHID @baghdadinvest more blood shed
@baghdadinvest ISIS spox announced:Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi as Amir Al-Mumenin resorted Caliphate and there is no ISIS,just "IS" 4 all muslims!
Dr Shahid @DR_SHAHID 43m
@Shahr2ad @baghdadinvest Wait..What? For Pakistan Too? #IS With Nukes? Seriously!
@DR_SHAHID @baghdadinvest Caliphate for all muslims, pakis included if they go for beya't w Abu Bakr Baghdadi. Do not worry,won't happen IMO
شهــــرزاد @Shahr2ad
@DR_SHAHID @baghdadinvest I am keen to see how will Al-Zawaheri react to this Caliphate!
Zulfiqarhayder Malik @MalikMhz 27m
@Shahr2ad @DR_SHAHID @baghdadinvest more blood shed
Lilbitsnana
On TB every waking moment
lol
Guillaume @hetnieuwsblad 1m
There is no #ISIS or #ISIL. It just #IS. I hope they drop dead. #Iraq #Lebanon #Syria #NO2ISIS
SCREAMING MASSES @ScreamingMasses 1m
#ISIS have declared an Islamic caliphate & are now called #IS. Pity they number ~5000 & the rest of the Muslim world think they’re a joke.
Guillaume @hetnieuwsblad 1m
There is no #ISIS or #ISIL. It just #IS. I hope they drop dead. #Iraq #Lebanon #Syria #NO2ISIS
SCREAMING MASSES @ScreamingMasses 1m
#ISIS have declared an Islamic caliphate & are now called #IS. Pity they number ~5000 & the rest of the Muslim world think they’re a joke.
Lilbitsnana
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Erin Cunningham @erinmcunningham 2m
What do we call ISIS now?
Khaled Z @der_bluthund 1m
@erinmcunningham The Media is going with #IS, but technically it is #ICS (English) or #IKS (Arabic)
What do we call ISIS now?
Khaled Z @der_bluthund 1m
@erinmcunningham The Media is going with #IS, but technically it is #ICS (English) or #IKS (Arabic)
Ragnarok
On and On, South of Heaven
True...
I don't think he is going to like them usurping the role he had cast for himself, though.
The Turkish Islamic Union
gawarriorqueen
WWG1WGA
Fred's Horseradish
Membership Revoked
They can't get along. They'll fight and kill each other.
straightstreet
Life is better in flip flops
Yeah, there's millions of 'em whose life ambition is to be a raping, murdering, beheading thug.
Like 200 million? Rev. 9:16
straightstreet
Life is better in flip flops
+1
Hmmm....yep
straightstreet
Life is better in flip flops
Sixth Bowl: Rev. 16:12
Gercarson
Veteran Member
Sooner than you might think - let's just wait for all the "moderate" and "peaceful" muslims in the USA to wake from their "sleeper cells" to celebrate. Wonder what they will destroy/blow up to mark this declaration? Look for the peaceful muslims to "come together" now.
mzkitty
I give up.
True...
I don't think he is going to like them usurping the role he had cast for himself, though.
The Turkish Islamic Union
Did you notice that map has Crimea and Moldava as "Islamic"? Hmmm... wonder if that's why Putin scooped it.
???
Lilbitsnana
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Abdul Nishapuri @AbdulNishapuri · 1h
Breaking: Pakistan's banned Deobandi terrorist outfit Sipah-e-Sahaba (Syria Unit) supports ISIS's Caliphate: https://twitter.com/ISIS_Urdu/status/483305015566934016 …
Breaking: Pakistan's banned Deobandi terrorist outfit Sipah-e-Sahaba (Syria Unit) supports ISIS's Caliphate: https://twitter.com/ISIS_Urdu/status/483305015566934016 …
Uhhmmm...
Veteran Member
LOL. What tools. They just beat President Bush's record for declaring mission accomplished waaayyy too early - and with about as much chance of holding on.
CGTech
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Yep. Rag's book was very timely.
Lilbitsnana
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Carl Fridh Kleberg @CFKlebergTT 4m
'Militants making headway in #Iraq and #Syria declare advent of formal Islamic state,' @LizSly writes: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...a63712-ff88-11e3-b8ff-89afd3fad6bd_story.html … #IS #ISIS
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Militants making headway in Iraq and Syria declare advent of formal Islamic state
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Vehicles carrying Iraqi Kurdish Peshmerga forces patrol as smoke billows from an area controlled by jihadist militants from the Islamic State of Iraq and the Syria. (Karim Sahib/AFP/Getty Images)
By Liz Sly and Loveday Morris June 29 at 3:30 PM
BAGHDAD — The extremist group battling its way through swaths of territory in Iraq and Syria declared the creation of a formal Islamic state on Sunday, stirring up the global jihadist movement and laying down an ambitious challenge to al-Qaeda’s established leadership.
In an audio statement posted on the Internet, the spokesman of the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria announced the restoration of the 7th-century Islamic caliphate, a long-declared goal of the al-Qaeda renegades who broke with the mainstream organization earlier this year and have since asserted control over large areas spanning the two countries.
The move signifies “a new era of international jihad,” according to the spokesman, Abu Mohammed al-Adnani, who also declared an end to the existence of the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, as the group had previously called itself.
Henceforth, ISIS will simply be known as the Islamic State, in recognition of the breakdown of international borders achieved as a result of the group’s conquests, he said. ISIS’s leader, an Iraqi known as Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, will be the caliph, or leader, of the new caliphate, and all Muslims worldwide will be required to pay allegiance to him.
The proclamation comes as a powerful challenge to al-Qaeda’s chief, Ayman al-Zawahiri, who also claims supremacy over the global jihadist movement. Zawahiri repudiated Baghdadi earlier this year after the Iraqi leader rejected repeated al-Qaeda directives to adopt a more inclusive approach toward other jihadist groups, and it is unlikely he will agree to bow to the authority of the proclaimed new caliph.
1 of 53
Shiite Iraqis prepare to fight Sunni militants
Members of an all-volunteer force undergo training in the holy city of Karbala to protect Shiite shrines and help counter the recent gains of the Sunni insurgent group the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria.
“This is a threat to the legitimacy of al-Qaeda as the representative of global jihad, and it lays down the threat big time,” said Charles Lister of the Brookings Doha Center in Qatar. “Put simply, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi has declared war on al-Qaeda.”
Some jihadist groups operating in other parts of the region may be tempted to switch allegiance to the new Islamic state, which is a proclaimed goal of al-Qaeda but also one that the parent organization has said should be implemented only once conditions are right.
Others, however, may be deterred by the power grab. The statement declares Baghdadi to be the “Emir of the Momineen,” or “Prince of the Believers,” a title that effectively endows him with the legacy of the leadership of the prophet Muhammad, the founder of Islam.
It is not clear, either, whether some of the other Sunni revolutionary movements now fighting the Iraqi government alongside the militants, many whom are fiercely nationalistic, will accept the Islamic State’s explicit rejection of national boundaries, including those of Iraq.
“This could potentially risk the Islamic State’s overall position within the Sunni uprising in Iraq,” Lister said.
The declaration, greeted with volleys of celebratory gunfire in some Islamic State strongholds, may otherwise have no immediate practical effect on the ground.
The state will cover lands already under Islamic State control, stretching from the northern Syrian province of Aleppo to the eastern Iraqi province of Diyala, the statement said, adding that eventually it will be extended to include the entire Muslim world. The militants have already asserted a de facto Islamic state in these areas, establishing their own courts, schools and services. The effort has received an enormous boost in the past three weeks from the vast quantities of weaponry taken by the militants from Iraqi army bases and millions of dollars seized from banks in the towns and cities they overran.
Coinciding with the first day of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, the statement will also further boost the morale of militant fighters after their achievements of recent weeks, which have seen them rout the Iraqi security forces across northern and western Iraq.
On Sunday, the militants claimed they had repelled an Iraqi government counteroffensive against the city of Tikrit, which fell under Islamic State control more than two weeks ago.
The operation marked a major test for the Iraqi military as it tries to reverse the insurgent gains, but it appeared that the attempt to recapture the city had failed.
Ground forces backed by helicopter gunships launched a three-pronged pre-dawn attack on the militant stronghold of Tikrit on Saturday, but residents and a tribal leader said militants from an al-Qaeda breakaway group had repelled the troops’ advance, rigging roads into the city with explosives.
Residents said the insurgents, who have been assisted by local anti-government groups, were still in control of the town center on Sunday. State television had claimed to have cleared Tikrit of militants on Saturday.
With the ground attack repelled on three fronts, special forces who had airlifted into Tikrit University, setting up base at the nearby al Sahra air base earlier in the week, attempted to break in from the northwest on Sunday, residents said.
Abu Ghaib, a 35-year-old Tikrit resident who chose to use a pseudonym for fear of reprisals, said there was intense helicopter fire and shelling Sunday in the area near university.
“What the people believe is that the army is advancing from the university,” he said. “But we don’t know for sure.”
“Some families have nowhere to flee to and they are quite terrified,” Abu Ghaib said. “The southern entrance to the city is like a ghost town, many have fled.”
With only helicopters and fixed propeller planes, Iraqi military officials have complained they lack the airpower to fight insurgents. On Sunday, the defense ministry took delivery of a Russian-made Sukhoi SU-25 fighter jet. It said five jets would enter service in the next three or four days.
Liz Sly is The Post’s Beirut bureau chief. Her previous assignments in more than two decades as a foreign correspondent have included postings in Africa, China, Europe and South Asia.
'Militants making headway in #Iraq and #Syria declare advent of formal Islamic state,' @LizSly writes: http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...a63712-ff88-11e3-b8ff-89afd3fad6bd_story.html … #IS #ISIS
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Militants making headway in Iraq and Syria declare advent of formal Islamic state
More
Vehicles carrying Iraqi Kurdish Peshmerga forces patrol as smoke billows from an area controlled by jihadist militants from the Islamic State of Iraq and the Syria. (Karim Sahib/AFP/Getty Images)
By Liz Sly and Loveday Morris June 29 at 3:30 PM
BAGHDAD — The extremist group battling its way through swaths of territory in Iraq and Syria declared the creation of a formal Islamic state on Sunday, stirring up the global jihadist movement and laying down an ambitious challenge to al-Qaeda’s established leadership.
In an audio statement posted on the Internet, the spokesman of the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria announced the restoration of the 7th-century Islamic caliphate, a long-declared goal of the al-Qaeda renegades who broke with the mainstream organization earlier this year and have since asserted control over large areas spanning the two countries.
The move signifies “a new era of international jihad,” according to the spokesman, Abu Mohammed al-Adnani, who also declared an end to the existence of the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, as the group had previously called itself.
Henceforth, ISIS will simply be known as the Islamic State, in recognition of the breakdown of international borders achieved as a result of the group’s conquests, he said. ISIS’s leader, an Iraqi known as Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, will be the caliph, or leader, of the new caliphate, and all Muslims worldwide will be required to pay allegiance to him.
The proclamation comes as a powerful challenge to al-Qaeda’s chief, Ayman al-Zawahiri, who also claims supremacy over the global jihadist movement. Zawahiri repudiated Baghdadi earlier this year after the Iraqi leader rejected repeated al-Qaeda directives to adopt a more inclusive approach toward other jihadist groups, and it is unlikely he will agree to bow to the authority of the proclaimed new caliph.
1 of 53
Shiite Iraqis prepare to fight Sunni militants
Members of an all-volunteer force undergo training in the holy city of Karbala to protect Shiite shrines and help counter the recent gains of the Sunni insurgent group the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria.
“This is a threat to the legitimacy of al-Qaeda as the representative of global jihad, and it lays down the threat big time,” said Charles Lister of the Brookings Doha Center in Qatar. “Put simply, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi has declared war on al-Qaeda.”
Some jihadist groups operating in other parts of the region may be tempted to switch allegiance to the new Islamic state, which is a proclaimed goal of al-Qaeda but also one that the parent organization has said should be implemented only once conditions are right.
Others, however, may be deterred by the power grab. The statement declares Baghdadi to be the “Emir of the Momineen,” or “Prince of the Believers,” a title that effectively endows him with the legacy of the leadership of the prophet Muhammad, the founder of Islam.
It is not clear, either, whether some of the other Sunni revolutionary movements now fighting the Iraqi government alongside the militants, many whom are fiercely nationalistic, will accept the Islamic State’s explicit rejection of national boundaries, including those of Iraq.
“This could potentially risk the Islamic State’s overall position within the Sunni uprising in Iraq,” Lister said.
The declaration, greeted with volleys of celebratory gunfire in some Islamic State strongholds, may otherwise have no immediate practical effect on the ground.
The state will cover lands already under Islamic State control, stretching from the northern Syrian province of Aleppo to the eastern Iraqi province of Diyala, the statement said, adding that eventually it will be extended to include the entire Muslim world. The militants have already asserted a de facto Islamic state in these areas, establishing their own courts, schools and services. The effort has received an enormous boost in the past three weeks from the vast quantities of weaponry taken by the militants from Iraqi army bases and millions of dollars seized from banks in the towns and cities they overran.
Coinciding with the first day of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, the statement will also further boost the morale of militant fighters after their achievements of recent weeks, which have seen them rout the Iraqi security forces across northern and western Iraq.
On Sunday, the militants claimed they had repelled an Iraqi government counteroffensive against the city of Tikrit, which fell under Islamic State control more than two weeks ago.
The operation marked a major test for the Iraqi military as it tries to reverse the insurgent gains, but it appeared that the attempt to recapture the city had failed.
Ground forces backed by helicopter gunships launched a three-pronged pre-dawn attack on the militant stronghold of Tikrit on Saturday, but residents and a tribal leader said militants from an al-Qaeda breakaway group had repelled the troops’ advance, rigging roads into the city with explosives.
Residents said the insurgents, who have been assisted by local anti-government groups, were still in control of the town center on Sunday. State television had claimed to have cleared Tikrit of militants on Saturday.
With the ground attack repelled on three fronts, special forces who had airlifted into Tikrit University, setting up base at the nearby al Sahra air base earlier in the week, attempted to break in from the northwest on Sunday, residents said.
Abu Ghaib, a 35-year-old Tikrit resident who chose to use a pseudonym for fear of reprisals, said there was intense helicopter fire and shelling Sunday in the area near university.
“What the people believe is that the army is advancing from the university,” he said. “But we don’t know for sure.”
“Some families have nowhere to flee to and they are quite terrified,” Abu Ghaib said. “The southern entrance to the city is like a ghost town, many have fled.”
With only helicopters and fixed propeller planes, Iraqi military officials have complained they lack the airpower to fight insurgents. On Sunday, the defense ministry took delivery of a Russian-made Sukhoi SU-25 fighter jet. It said five jets would enter service in the next three or four days.
Liz Sly is The Post’s Beirut bureau chief. Her previous assignments in more than two decades as a foreign correspondent have included postings in Africa, China, Europe and South Asia.
Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
YEP---looks like the "kings of the East" ARE ME, not Chinese, after all....
....things fall apart, the centre cannot hold--
mere anarchy is loosed upon the world....
...The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity....
...And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?
the watcher
Inactive
I see a double cross in the works. 
Or maybe just playing both sides?
http://www.globalresearch.ca/iran-a...in-waging-the-global-war-on-terrorism/5387998
Media Scam? Iran and America Join Hands in Waging “The Global War on Terrorism”?
By Prof Michel Chossudovsky
Global Research, June 21, 2014
Region: Canada, Middle East & North Africa
Theme: 9/11 & 'War on Terrorism', US NATO War Agenda
In-depth Report: IRAN: THE NEXT WAR?, IRAQ REPORT
iranus
Following the incursion of jihadist rebels of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIS) into Iraq and the capture of its second largest city Mosul, American and Iranian officials meeting behind closed in Vienna allegedly reached, according to media reports, a historical agreement: Tehran will collaborate with Washington in fighting the ISIS rebels in the context of “America’s War on Terrorism”. A new foreign policy narrative on US-Iran relations has emerged. Is it real? Is it fake? What happened on June 16 in Vienna?
According to Tehran, nothing happened, there were no negotiations.
Moreover, in an unusual twist, according to Western media reports, Washington took the decision to “collaborate” with Tehran, despite the fact that the Islamic Republic of Iran is subject to a US sanctions regime and is categorized by the US State Department as a “State Sponsor of terrorism” which “harbors senior al Qaeda leaders”
Iran’s state sponsorship of terrorism worldwide remained undiminished through the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps-Qods Force (IRGC-QF), its Ministry of Intelligence and Security, and Tehran’s ally Hizballah, which remained a significant threat to the stability of Lebanon and the broader region. The U.S. government continued efforts to counter Iranian and proxy support for terrorist operations via sanctions and other legal tools. (US State Department, Country Reports on Terrorism 2013)
Ironically, this “fake” foreign policy shift from “countering” Iran’s (alleged) support of Al Qaeda to actually “collaborating” with Tehran “in going after Al Qaeda”, didn’t raise an eye-bat in the media or the US Congress.
Notwithstanding these apparent contradictions (see below for further analysis) Secretary of State John Kerry, was emphatic: the US government will “communicate” with Tehran with regard to “pushing back the Islamist terrorists”.
While Tehran will participate (according to US statements) in counter-terrorism operations in coordination with Washington, officially the two governments will “not work together”.
While the alleged Vienna agreement excludes an “active” relationship between Washington and Tehran, it nonetheless establishes (according to John Kerry) a positive framework of collaboration, implying the exchange of information and intelligence:
“What I said [John Kerry] is we are interested in communicating with Iran to make clear that the Iranians know what we’re thinking and we know what they’re thinking and there’s a sharing of information so people aren’t making mistakes,” (US State Department website: Interview With John Kerry, June 16, 2014 emphasis added)
In response to the question: “Can you see cooperating with Iran militarily?” Kerry responded:
“… I wouldn’t rule out anything that would be constructive to providing real stability,… I think we are open to any constructive process here that could minimize the violence, hold Iraq together, the integrity of the country, and eliminate the presence of outside terrorist forces that are ripping it apart. (US State Department website: Interview With John Kerry, June 16, 2014)
Analysts quoted by the Los Angeles Times say that:
“the U.S. and Iran are likely to agree to only limited military cooperation at best, if President Obama chooses to order direct military action, such as airstrikes, in Iraq.” (emphasis added)
America’s overture to Iran at the Vienna meetings took place on Monday June 16, 2014 when Deputy Secretary of State William Burns joined the negotiations on Iran’s nuclear program. It was understood at this meeting that “talks about the threat posed by an Al Qaeda-inspired Sunni extremist group” would be discussed on the sidelines of the nuclear negotiations:
The topic was not military coordination “or strategy determinations about Iraq’s future over the heads of the Iraq people,” the [US] official said in a statement. Instead, “we will discuss how the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, [or ISIS] threatens many countries in the region, including Iran, and the need to support inclusivity in Iran and refrain from pressing a sectarian agenda.” U.S. and Iranian officials have been hinting for several days that they may discuss at least limited cooperation on how to deal with the extremist group, which has seized the Iraqi cities of Mosul and Tikrit in the last week. (Los Angeles Times, June 16, 2014)
Tehran Denies the Existence of an Agreement with Washington
While the Western media in chorus has focused its attention on US-Iran “collaboration”, official sources in Tehran deny the existence of an entente between the two governments. On June 16, Iran’s Deputy Foreign Minister Hossein Amir Abdollahian (i.e. Deputy Secretary of State William Burns’ Iranian counterpart) stated emphatically that:
“The Islamic Republic of Iran has had no negotiations with the Americans over mutual cooperation in Iraq.”
In turn, Iran’s Supreme Leader’s top adviser said: “Iran will not cooperate with the US over the crisis in Iraq as Tehran and Washington pursue different objectives in helping the Iraqi nation.”
… If Washington truly intends to help Iraq counter the ongoing Takfiri [ISIS] violence, it should first condemn terrorism and those parties that support and fund the terrorists.
On Wednesday, Chief of Staff of the Iranian Armed Forces General Hassan Firouzabadi rejected western media speculations about Tehran’s likely cooperation with the US over Iraq, and also stressed that Iran has not deployed troops in Iraq. “There is no need to the presence of Iranian forces in Iraq,” General Firouzabadi told reporters, and added, “Cooperation between Iran and the US will never take place and is meaningless.” (Fars News, June 20, 2014, emphasis added)
What happened in Vienna on June? Nothing?
Opening the Door to Military Escalation. Towards a New Iran-Iraq War?
What these diplomatic overtures to Tehran suggest is that Washington is attempting to incite Iran to actively intervene militarily in Iraq, in a sectarian “civil war” which has been triggered by the US.
Whatever information or exchange of intelligence occurs between the US and Iran will in any event be subject to manipulation and deception. Washington’s hidden agenda is to incite Iran’s military involvement as well as control it, with a view to ultimately weakening the Islamic Republic of Iran as a regional power.
Yet it would appear that Tehran is not swallowing the bait. And on the Iranian side, there is no confirmation of a collaborative agreement.
Or maybe just playing both sides?
http://www.globalresearch.ca/iran-a...in-waging-the-global-war-on-terrorism/5387998
Media Scam? Iran and America Join Hands in Waging “The Global War on Terrorism”?
By Prof Michel Chossudovsky
Global Research, June 21, 2014
Region: Canada, Middle East & North Africa
Theme: 9/11 & 'War on Terrorism', US NATO War Agenda
In-depth Report: IRAN: THE NEXT WAR?, IRAQ REPORT
iranus
Following the incursion of jihadist rebels of the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIS) into Iraq and the capture of its second largest city Mosul, American and Iranian officials meeting behind closed in Vienna allegedly reached, according to media reports, a historical agreement: Tehran will collaborate with Washington in fighting the ISIS rebels in the context of “America’s War on Terrorism”. A new foreign policy narrative on US-Iran relations has emerged. Is it real? Is it fake? What happened on June 16 in Vienna?
According to Tehran, nothing happened, there were no negotiations.
Moreover, in an unusual twist, according to Western media reports, Washington took the decision to “collaborate” with Tehran, despite the fact that the Islamic Republic of Iran is subject to a US sanctions regime and is categorized by the US State Department as a “State Sponsor of terrorism” which “harbors senior al Qaeda leaders”
Iran’s state sponsorship of terrorism worldwide remained undiminished through the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps-Qods Force (IRGC-QF), its Ministry of Intelligence and Security, and Tehran’s ally Hizballah, which remained a significant threat to the stability of Lebanon and the broader region. The U.S. government continued efforts to counter Iranian and proxy support for terrorist operations via sanctions and other legal tools. (US State Department, Country Reports on Terrorism 2013)
Ironically, this “fake” foreign policy shift from “countering” Iran’s (alleged) support of Al Qaeda to actually “collaborating” with Tehran “in going after Al Qaeda”, didn’t raise an eye-bat in the media or the US Congress.
Notwithstanding these apparent contradictions (see below for further analysis) Secretary of State John Kerry, was emphatic: the US government will “communicate” with Tehran with regard to “pushing back the Islamist terrorists”.
While Tehran will participate (according to US statements) in counter-terrorism operations in coordination with Washington, officially the two governments will “not work together”.
While the alleged Vienna agreement excludes an “active” relationship between Washington and Tehran, it nonetheless establishes (according to John Kerry) a positive framework of collaboration, implying the exchange of information and intelligence:
“What I said [John Kerry] is we are interested in communicating with Iran to make clear that the Iranians know what we’re thinking and we know what they’re thinking and there’s a sharing of information so people aren’t making mistakes,” (US State Department website: Interview With John Kerry, June 16, 2014 emphasis added)
In response to the question: “Can you see cooperating with Iran militarily?” Kerry responded:
“… I wouldn’t rule out anything that would be constructive to providing real stability,… I think we are open to any constructive process here that could minimize the violence, hold Iraq together, the integrity of the country, and eliminate the presence of outside terrorist forces that are ripping it apart. (US State Department website: Interview With John Kerry, June 16, 2014)
Analysts quoted by the Los Angeles Times say that:
“the U.S. and Iran are likely to agree to only limited military cooperation at best, if President Obama chooses to order direct military action, such as airstrikes, in Iraq.” (emphasis added)
America’s overture to Iran at the Vienna meetings took place on Monday June 16, 2014 when Deputy Secretary of State William Burns joined the negotiations on Iran’s nuclear program. It was understood at this meeting that “talks about the threat posed by an Al Qaeda-inspired Sunni extremist group” would be discussed on the sidelines of the nuclear negotiations:
The topic was not military coordination “or strategy determinations about Iraq’s future over the heads of the Iraq people,” the [US] official said in a statement. Instead, “we will discuss how the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, [or ISIS] threatens many countries in the region, including Iran, and the need to support inclusivity in Iran and refrain from pressing a sectarian agenda.” U.S. and Iranian officials have been hinting for several days that they may discuss at least limited cooperation on how to deal with the extremist group, which has seized the Iraqi cities of Mosul and Tikrit in the last week. (Los Angeles Times, June 16, 2014)
Tehran Denies the Existence of an Agreement with Washington
While the Western media in chorus has focused its attention on US-Iran “collaboration”, official sources in Tehran deny the existence of an entente between the two governments. On June 16, Iran’s Deputy Foreign Minister Hossein Amir Abdollahian (i.e. Deputy Secretary of State William Burns’ Iranian counterpart) stated emphatically that:
“The Islamic Republic of Iran has had no negotiations with the Americans over mutual cooperation in Iraq.”
In turn, Iran’s Supreme Leader’s top adviser said: “Iran will not cooperate with the US over the crisis in Iraq as Tehran and Washington pursue different objectives in helping the Iraqi nation.”
… If Washington truly intends to help Iraq counter the ongoing Takfiri [ISIS] violence, it should first condemn terrorism and those parties that support and fund the terrorists.
On Wednesday, Chief of Staff of the Iranian Armed Forces General Hassan Firouzabadi rejected western media speculations about Tehran’s likely cooperation with the US over Iraq, and also stressed that Iran has not deployed troops in Iraq. “There is no need to the presence of Iranian forces in Iraq,” General Firouzabadi told reporters, and added, “Cooperation between Iran and the US will never take place and is meaningless.” (Fars News, June 20, 2014, emphasis added)
What happened in Vienna on June? Nothing?
Opening the Door to Military Escalation. Towards a New Iran-Iraq War?
What these diplomatic overtures to Tehran suggest is that Washington is attempting to incite Iran to actively intervene militarily in Iraq, in a sectarian “civil war” which has been triggered by the US.
Whatever information or exchange of intelligence occurs between the US and Iran will in any event be subject to manipulation and deception. Washington’s hidden agenda is to incite Iran’s military involvement as well as control it, with a view to ultimately weakening the Islamic Republic of Iran as a regional power.
Yet it would appear that Tehran is not swallowing the bait. And on the Iranian side, there is no confirmation of a collaborative agreement.
Best kind of thinking. It resolves issues and confounds those inside the Box.
ARMY RANGER
Inactive
For our childrens and grandchildrens preservation I think it is time to just kill all of those f**king scumbags! That is the only way to stop all of this shit!You all with me?
Depends on yer definition of scumbags.
colonel holman
Veteran Member
This eventually devolves into a sunni vs shia regional war from horn of Africa to Saudi to Iraq to Iran. When this spreads into Pakistan, the US will face need to "secure" Pakistan nuc weapons via SF units. When it spreads into Jordan (next stop for ISIS), US and Israel absolutely will join the fight to preserve Jordan. When ISIS takes over Gaza and Lebanon (now underway), that become flashpoint of aggressive IDF actions that will not be so strongly condemned by rest of world. Just wait until ISIS takes local actions among immigrants in Europe... eventually places like suburb Detroit
kemosabe
Doooooooooom !
I'd say by the looks of it... very happy
WTF is with the white flag he is waving? Is this symbolic of surrender to Islam?
If you ask me... I believe so..
Countrymouse
Country exile in the city
I'd say by the looks of it... very happy
WTF is with the white flag he is waving? Is this symbolic of surrender to Islam?
If you ask me... I believe so..
This was photo-shopped, right?
Is this black flag saying "Happy Ramadan" or is it the ISIS (or now IS) flag?
And the white flag---photoshopped, right?
Link?
Ragnarok
On and On, South of Heaven
cornanj
Senior Member
Want a copy of my book, CM?
Ragnarok, you have a book out? If so, I want a copy. How do I purchase it?
kemosabe
Doooooooooom !
no clue.. saw it posted on a few other sites a few days ago and on fb.. photoshopped or not... it is pretty much spot on with considerations to everything this admin has done and keeps doing to put itself in bed with islam..
SIRR1
Deceased
HC I was under the impression that the ISIS was a creature designed and funded by the Saudi's and the GCC to fight against the Syrian Army...
Does the ISIS have any loyalty to the Saud's and the GCC or will they continue their push to the Arabian Sea cleaning house.
A few questions here, will the US come to the aide of Jordan or Saudi Arabia and has Pakistan delivered the packages yet to the house of Saud?
I can see so many things going wrong here that scares the Shiite out of me.
SIRR1
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Sleeping Cobra
TB Fanatic
ISIS declares establishment of caliphate, demands allegiance from all Muslims
June 29, 2014 Updated 3 hours ago
IRBIL, Iraq — The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria announced Sunday the establishment of the Muslim caliphate and declared that its leader was Abu Bakr al Baghdadi, the current head of ISIS.
The declaration made official what many observers had expected, a claim that ISIS is itself a nation state that stretches wherever Muslims live and not just an insurgent group battling governments in Iraq and Syria.
The proclamation was freighted with historic significance, coming one day after the 100th anniversary of the start of World War I, which ended with the breakup of the Ottoman Empire. It was that result that led to the redrawing of borders in the Middle East, including the one between Syria and Iraq that the Islamic State now says no longer exists.
One analyst called the announcement the most significant development for Islamist extremists since the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks in the United States.
“The impact of this announcement will be global as al Qaida affiliates and independent jihadist groups must now definitively choose to support and join the Islamic State or to oppose it,” said Charles Lister, who follows jihadi developments for the Brookings Institution’s center in Doha, Qatar. “The Islamic State’s announcement made it clear that it would perceive any group that failed to pledge allegiance an enemy of Islam.”
Nearly 12 million people now live under some level of ISIS control in Syria and Iraq, but the group’s activities in Syria have been denounced by al Qaida’s leader, Ayman al Zawahiri, and the official al Qaida affiliate in Syria, the Nusra Front.
The term caliphate refers to a style of governance put into place by the followers of the Prophet Mohammed after his death in the 7th Century and not seen in any form since the Ottomans collapsed in the early 20th Century.
In an audio statement released on the Internet Sunday, ISIS spokesman Abu Mohammad al Adnani said ISIS’s leadership council, known as the shura, made the decision to establish the caliphate and name “the jihadist cleric” Baghdadi “the caliph of the Muslims.”
Aymen al Tamimi, an analysts of jihadi groups in Iraq and Syria for the Middle East Forum, said the declaration was unsurprising. “This caliphate was de facto for months before the official announcement,” he said, noting that many aspects of Islamic law, or sharia, had already been imposed in areas under ISIS control. He referred specifically to the collection of jizya, a tax on Christians, and to ISIS references to its flag as the “banner of Khalifah” or caliphate in Arabic.
“Even some ISIS graphics as far back as February speak of ‘Dawlat ul-Khalifah,’ ” or State of the caliphate, he added.
In the announcement, Adnani explained that all national, tribal or ethnic boundaries that currently span the Muslim world had been ruled invalid by the Islamic State’s shura and that all Muslims were subject to the new caliphate’s authority or face judgment.
“Indeed, it is the State,” he said. “Indeed, it is the khilafah. It is time for you to end this abhorrent partisanship, dispersion, and division, for this condition is not from the religion of Allah at all. And if you forsake the State or wage war against it, you will not harm it. You will only harm yourselves.”
The decision to announce this non-consensual approach by the Islamic State to rule all of the world’s 1.2 billion Muslims poses numerous issues, not the least of which will be the reaction of many of the Islamic State’s allies among Sunni tribes and secular former Baathist officials currently helping it fight in Iraq. Those groups will now have to either declare themselves followers of the caliphate, surrendering much of their authority to Baghdadi, or hold onto their current roles as tribal or political leaders and be declared enemies of the caliphate.
“Some of the tribal sheiks in Iraq seemed to be betting on the idea Abu Bakr al Baghdadi won't impose sharia,” said Tamimi. “It's quite apparent that with the official caliphate vision they will be going all out, so the tribal sheiks wanting to work with ISIS have shown themselves to be hopelessly naive.”
Also closely watched will be the reaction of such al Qaida affiliates as Yemen-based al Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula. U.S. officials consider AQAP the most dangerous al Qaida branch because it has launched repeated attacks on U.S. targets and its leader, Nasir al Wuhayshi, is a former secretary to Osama bin Laden and al Qaida’s current No. 2.
Wuhayshi and AQAP made no reference to ISIS’s declaration of a caliphate on Sunday. But a cleric with close ties to AQAP, Mamoun Hatem, took to Twitter to hail ISIS’s announcement as “a blessed event.”
http://www.newsobserver.com/2014/06/29/3973842/isis-declares-establishment-of.html?
June 29, 2014 Updated 3 hours ago
IRBIL, Iraq — The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria announced Sunday the establishment of the Muslim caliphate and declared that its leader was Abu Bakr al Baghdadi, the current head of ISIS.
The declaration made official what many observers had expected, a claim that ISIS is itself a nation state that stretches wherever Muslims live and not just an insurgent group battling governments in Iraq and Syria.
The proclamation was freighted with historic significance, coming one day after the 100th anniversary of the start of World War I, which ended with the breakup of the Ottoman Empire. It was that result that led to the redrawing of borders in the Middle East, including the one between Syria and Iraq that the Islamic State now says no longer exists.
One analyst called the announcement the most significant development for Islamist extremists since the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks in the United States.
“The impact of this announcement will be global as al Qaida affiliates and independent jihadist groups must now definitively choose to support and join the Islamic State or to oppose it,” said Charles Lister, who follows jihadi developments for the Brookings Institution’s center in Doha, Qatar. “The Islamic State’s announcement made it clear that it would perceive any group that failed to pledge allegiance an enemy of Islam.”
Nearly 12 million people now live under some level of ISIS control in Syria and Iraq, but the group’s activities in Syria have been denounced by al Qaida’s leader, Ayman al Zawahiri, and the official al Qaida affiliate in Syria, the Nusra Front.
The term caliphate refers to a style of governance put into place by the followers of the Prophet Mohammed after his death in the 7th Century and not seen in any form since the Ottomans collapsed in the early 20th Century.
In an audio statement released on the Internet Sunday, ISIS spokesman Abu Mohammad al Adnani said ISIS’s leadership council, known as the shura, made the decision to establish the caliphate and name “the jihadist cleric” Baghdadi “the caliph of the Muslims.”
Aymen al Tamimi, an analysts of jihadi groups in Iraq and Syria for the Middle East Forum, said the declaration was unsurprising. “This caliphate was de facto for months before the official announcement,” he said, noting that many aspects of Islamic law, or sharia, had already been imposed in areas under ISIS control. He referred specifically to the collection of jizya, a tax on Christians, and to ISIS references to its flag as the “banner of Khalifah” or caliphate in Arabic.
“Even some ISIS graphics as far back as February speak of ‘Dawlat ul-Khalifah,’ ” or State of the caliphate, he added.
In the announcement, Adnani explained that all national, tribal or ethnic boundaries that currently span the Muslim world had been ruled invalid by the Islamic State’s shura and that all Muslims were subject to the new caliphate’s authority or face judgment.
“Indeed, it is the State,” he said. “Indeed, it is the khilafah. It is time for you to end this abhorrent partisanship, dispersion, and division, for this condition is not from the religion of Allah at all. And if you forsake the State or wage war against it, you will not harm it. You will only harm yourselves.”
The decision to announce this non-consensual approach by the Islamic State to rule all of the world’s 1.2 billion Muslims poses numerous issues, not the least of which will be the reaction of many of the Islamic State’s allies among Sunni tribes and secular former Baathist officials currently helping it fight in Iraq. Those groups will now have to either declare themselves followers of the caliphate, surrendering much of their authority to Baghdadi, or hold onto their current roles as tribal or political leaders and be declared enemies of the caliphate.
“Some of the tribal sheiks in Iraq seemed to be betting on the idea Abu Bakr al Baghdadi won't impose sharia,” said Tamimi. “It's quite apparent that with the official caliphate vision they will be going all out, so the tribal sheiks wanting to work with ISIS have shown themselves to be hopelessly naive.”
Also closely watched will be the reaction of such al Qaida affiliates as Yemen-based al Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula. U.S. officials consider AQAP the most dangerous al Qaida branch because it has launched repeated attacks on U.S. targets and its leader, Nasir al Wuhayshi, is a former secretary to Osama bin Laden and al Qaida’s current No. 2.
Wuhayshi and AQAP made no reference to ISIS’s declaration of a caliphate on Sunday. But a cleric with close ties to AQAP, Mamoun Hatem, took to Twitter to hail ISIS’s announcement as “a blessed event.”
http://www.newsobserver.com/2014/06/29/3973842/isis-declares-establishment-of.html?
Sleeping Cobra
TB Fanatic
ISIL declares Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi its jihadist ‘caliph’
Sunday, June 29, 2014
Sunni militants fighting in Syria and Iraq announced on Sunday the establishment of an Islamic “caliphate” and declared ISIL chief Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi its “caliph.”
“The Shura (council) of the Islamic State met and discussed this issue (of the caliphate),” Abu Mohammad al-Adnani, a spokesman for the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, said in an audio recording distributed online, Agence France-Presse reported.
“The Islamic State decided to establish an Islamic caliphate and to designate a caliph for the state of the Muslims,” he said. “The jihadist cleric Baghdadi was designated the caliph of the Muslims.”
Baghdadi “has accepted this allegiance, and has thus become the leader for Muslims everywhere,” he continued, describing the caliphate as “the dream in all the Muslims’ hearts” and “the hope of all jihadists,” AFP reported.
Baghdadi, 43, apparently joined the insurgency in Iraq that erupted shortly after the United States intervened in 2003, at one point spending time in an American military prison in Iraq AFP reported. The U.S. declared him a terrorist in October 2011.
Baghdadi took over ISIL in April 2010, when it was tied to Al-Qaeda. He sought to merge the group with Al-Qaeda’s Syrian franchise, Al-Nusra Front, which rejected the deal, and the two groups have mostly operated separately since, AFP said.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/29/isil-declares-abu-bakr-al-baghdadi-its-jihadist-ca/
Sunday, June 29, 2014
Sunni militants fighting in Syria and Iraq announced on Sunday the establishment of an Islamic “caliphate” and declared ISIL chief Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi its “caliph.”
“The Shura (council) of the Islamic State met and discussed this issue (of the caliphate),” Abu Mohammad al-Adnani, a spokesman for the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, said in an audio recording distributed online, Agence France-Presse reported.
“The Islamic State decided to establish an Islamic caliphate and to designate a caliph for the state of the Muslims,” he said. “The jihadist cleric Baghdadi was designated the caliph of the Muslims.”
Baghdadi “has accepted this allegiance, and has thus become the leader for Muslims everywhere,” he continued, describing the caliphate as “the dream in all the Muslims’ hearts” and “the hope of all jihadists,” AFP reported.
Baghdadi, 43, apparently joined the insurgency in Iraq that erupted shortly after the United States intervened in 2003, at one point spending time in an American military prison in Iraq AFP reported. The U.S. declared him a terrorist in October 2011.
Baghdadi took over ISIL in April 2010, when it was tied to Al-Qaeda. He sought to merge the group with Al-Qaeda’s Syrian franchise, Al-Nusra Front, which rejected the deal, and the two groups have mostly operated separately since, AFP said.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jun/29/isil-declares-abu-bakr-al-baghdadi-its-jihadist-ca/
Lilbitsnana
On TB every waking moment
I'm not HC, but...
No. The Saudi's did help finance and supply them (and the other jihad groups) in Syria to defeat Assad, but they did not "create" them.
This thread I posted in 2013 explains who they are, etc.
http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/show...lamic-State-of-Iraq-and-the-Levant&highlight=
ETA:
No Loyalty to the Saud's at all and yes they will (to the sea) and beyond if they are successful.
Lilbitsnana
On TB every waking moment
I haven't seen this anywhere yet, so have to assume it is legit
-S Brahman @GoFJ 10m
The Official Flag of #Khilafah issued by #ISIS #KhilafaRestored pic.twitter.com/25CAP6z95y
Abu Umar @AbuUmar8246 4m Remember this date. On the 29th June 2014/1st Ramadan 1435, the #Khilafah was re-established. #KhilafaRestored #CaliphateRestored #Islam
-S Brahman @GoFJ 10m
The Official Flag of #Khilafah issued by #ISIS #KhilafaRestored pic.twitter.com/25CAP6z95y
Abu Umar @AbuUmar8246 4m Remember this date. On the 29th June 2014/1st Ramadan 1435, the #Khilafah was re-established. #KhilafaRestored #CaliphateRestored #Islam