HEALTH MAIN EBOLA DISCUSSION THREAD - WEEK OF 8/1/14 - 8/15/14

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Be Well

may all be well
Just copying a couple more articles from PFI. There will be more tomorrow and these will have gotten buried...


W. Africa struggles to deal with Ebola outbreak

Publish Date: Aug 15, 2014
http://www.newvision.co.ug/news/658747-w-africa-struggles-to-deal-with-ebola-outbreak.html?

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The disease has taken its toll on those trying to help its victims.

Sierra Leone disclosed Thursday that 32 nurses died from the Ebola virus while performing their duties between May 24 to August 13.


South Africa has stepped in to help the country by sending a mobile laboratory to be installed in the capital Freetown to ease the problem of having to send blood samples elsewhere for analysis, Sierra Leone's health ministry said.

'Need more centres'

In Liberia, which has suffered more than 300 deaths, work began on Thursday to expand its Ebola treatment centre in the capital Monrovia -- one of only two centres in the country of 4.2 million.

"We need to increase the size of this place because more and more people arrive every day due to the awareness programme," Nathaniel Dovillie, head of the centre, told AFP.

"The number of sick compared to the number of available places is a problem. We need more centres in Monrovia."

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Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
Just so everyone is clear. This "Georgia" web page posted by CM above is regarding the country of Georgia (near Russia) NOT the US state of Georgia.

Does not lessen the POTENTIAL PROBLEM of 7,000 anticipated Nigerian students arriving there but at least they are NOT arriving HERE!


Thanks, Kris---have attempted to correct that with other articles.

The point is, we have a REALLY large population here of West AFrican immigrants, mostly in Clarkston--so the possibility of they or their relatives / friends inundating this area as ebola fears grow is HUGE! There's a demographic breakdown of the population HERE: http://www.citytowninfo.com/places/georgia/clarkston

http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/show...-WEEK-OF-8-1-14-8-15-14&p=5316809#post5316809

Here's another article:(bear in mind it's from an admittedly "pro-white" source, but the left-leaning PC media sources here are NOT going to tell you the actualities of what the demographic change has meant to this area of suburban Atlanta)--



Clarkston, Georgia and Southern Demographic Displacement

Posted on October 4, 2013 by Hunter Wallace

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Georgia

Clarkston, Georgia in DeKalb County in the Atlanta Metro Area is the ultimate example of Southern Demographic Displacement.

In the 1980s, Clarkston, GA was over 90 percent White, just a “sleepy little town by the railroad tracks.” During the 1990s though, the US federal government and its NGO partners like “World Relief” began to dump thousands of foreign refugees in Georgia through the same program that the League of the South is protesting in Murfreesboro and Shelbyville, Tennessee on Oct. 12th:

“Until the refugees began arriving, the mayor likes to say, Clarkston “was just a sleepy little town by the railroad tracks.”

Since then, this town of 7,100 has become one of the most diverse communities in America.

Clarkston High School now has students from more than 50 countries. The local mosque draws more than 800 to Friday prayers. There is a Hindu temple, and there are congregations of Vietnamese, Sudanese and Liberian Christians.

At the shopping center, American stores have been displaced by Vietnamese, Ethiopian and Eritrean restaurants and a halal butcher. The only hamburger joint in town, City Burger, is run by an Iraqi.

The transformation began in the late 1980s, when resettlement agencies, private groups that contract with the federal government, decided Clarkston was perfect for refugees to begin new lives. The town had an abundance of inexpensive apartments, vacated by middle-class whites who left for more affluent suburbs. It had public transportation; the town was the easternmost stop on the Atlanta rail system. And it was within commuting distance of downtown Atlanta’s booming economy, offering new arrivals at least the prospect of employment.

At first the refugees — most from Southeast Asia — arrived so slowly that residents barely noticed. But as word got out about Clarkston’s suitability, more agencies began placing refugees here. From 1996 to 2001, more than 19,000 refugees from around the world resettled in Georgia, many in Clarkston and surrounding DeKalb County, to the dismay of many longtime residents.

Many of those residents simply left. Others stayed but remained resentful, keeping score of the ways they thought the refugees were altering their lives. …”

By 2010, the White population of Clarkston had plummeted to 14 percent. Foreign refugees from over 40 different countries – the largest group of refugees are from Somalia – are now over half the population. The White population responded to the destruction of the traditional social fabric by abandoning Clarkston to the refugees and a “low income” black population:

“For example, though refugee children usually learn English quickly, they often have difficulty with standardized tests. That has left some area schools with abysmal achievement records, and has kept families with children from settling in Clarkston.

Crime is high in Clarkston, with out-of-towners often preying on vulnerable refugees. Leonetti says the town has hired more police, but hasn’t received federal funds to help add the new officers. The per capita income in Clarkston is $17,000 a year, and drawing new businesses to town is difficult. That makes finding jobs difficult for refugees.”

The result?

A high crime area. Abysmal schools. A low-income population. High unemployment. Plummeting property values. Business flight. The demise of a common culture. Low civic engagement.

“Diversity” was achieved in Clarkston, GA. Now the refugees who live there say they have “very limited” contact with White Americans who avoid the area because it feels too “ethnic” to them.
 
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Lilbitsnana

On TB every waking moment
IRELAND

Marth, heard anything about this?

see next post #525 for latest info/story

posted for fair use
http://www.thejournal.ie/ebola-1621206-Aug2014/?utm_source=shortlink


First suspected case of Ebola in Ireland


A room in the National Isolation Unit is currently being prepared for the arrival of the patient.

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A PATIENT SUSPECTED of having the Ebola virus is due to be transferred to the Mater Hospital’s National Isolation Unit this morning
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TheJournal.ie has confirmed that a room in the unit is currently being prepared for the arrival of the patient. The room is is being sealed with negative pressure to avoid spread of infection throughout the hospital.

It is understood the patient recently travelled abroad and is currently suffering from flu-like symptoms.


Ebola is a highly infectious virus and this is the first suspected case in the country. So far over 1,000 people have died across West Africa from the disease.

Yesterday the WHO warned that the outbreak was worse than previously thought.

More as we get it…

- Additional reporting by Aoife Barry.



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updated info new info is bolded
(I thought this was going to be about the woman I read about a couple of days ago, but they said she tested negative before I got a chance to post it; this one is a guy)


First suspected case of Ebola in Ireland

A room in the National Isolation Unit was being prepared for the arrival of the patient.

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A PATIENT SUSPECTED of having the Ebola virus is currently being treated at a Dublin hospital.

TheJournal.ie has confirmed that a room in the National Isolation Unit at the Mater Hospital was being prepared this morning for the possible arrival of the patient from the hospital where he is currently located.

However, the decision to transfer him has not yet been taken and he is currently being looked at by consultants.

The room is is being sealed with negative pressure to avoid spread of infection throughout the hospital.

It is understood the patient recently travelled abroad and is currently suffering from flu-like symptoms. They are believed to be at another hospital in Dublin where full precautions are in place.

Ebola is a highly infectious virus and this is the first suspected case in the country. So far over 1,000 people have died across West Africa from the disease.

Yesterday the WHO warned that the outbreak was worse than previously thought.

Unlike other infections like influenza, Ebola is not airborne. It can only be transmitted by direct contact with the body fluids of a person who has the disease.

More as we get it…
- Additional reporting by Aoife Barry.
 
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Lilbitsnana

On TB every waking moment
IRELAND

no article, just a tweet from a radio station; ok, article now, see bottom of post

jitters (for leaking info to paper)? or are they trying to prevent panic (by saying no cases in Ireland)?



collie ennis ‏@collieennis 14m

False alarm on the ebola lads, it was just some fella that had a rake of Guinness and a late night curry. Similar symptoms. #ebola
Dublin City


Niamh ‏@NiamhLQB 15m

Can @thejournal_ie reveal its #ebola source? Seems to be inaccurate. Next they'll be saying that victim is to be cared for in a septic tank.


Dublin's Q102 ‏@Q102MoreMusic 16m

The HSE says there are no #Ebola cases in Ireland. It follows online reports of a possible outbreak at the Mater Hospital. #Q102News


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Patient being investigated for Ebola virus


A Dublin hospital is still treating a man for a virus – and has not yet ruled out Ebola as a possibility.

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THE HSE HAS said that it has not been notified of any official suspected case of Ebola in a Dublin hospital – but that it could not rule out that the virus is being looked at as one of several possibilities for a patient currently being treated there.

TheJournal.ie has confirmed with hospital sources this morning that a patient who had recently travelled abroad was being investigated as having a suspected virus. He is suffering from flu-like symptoms and consultants were looking at Ebola as one of the possibilities.

A HSE spokesperson told TheJournal.ie that there is no confirmed case this morning. They also say that there is officially no suspected case of Ebola – but that this means a case that has been elevated to a referral for lab tests specifically for that virus, or the HPSC notified.

This does not mean that Ebola is not currently being “considered” among a range of possibilities to explain the man’s symptoms.

A source in the Mater Hospital also confirmed early this morning that a room was being prepared in the National Isolation Unit at the Mater Hospital for the possible arrival of the patient from the hospital where he is currently located
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However, the decision to transfer him has not yet been taken and he is currently being looked at by consultants. The Mater has said that it is not expecting any patient transfer.

Ebola is a highly infectious virus and this is the first suspected case in the country. So far over 1,000 people have died across West Africa from the disease. Yesterday the WHO warned that the outbreak was worse than previously thought.

Unlike other infections like influenza, Ebola is not airborne. It can only be transmitted by direct contact with the body fluids of a person who has the disease.

More as we get it…

- Additional reporting by Aoife Barry.

http://www.thejournal.ie/ebola-1621206-Aug2014/?utm_source=shortlink



updated info



Patient being investigated for Ebola virus

A Dublin hospital is still treating a man for a virus – and has not yet ruled out Ebola as a possibility.

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THE HSE HAS said that it has not been notified of any official suspected case of Ebola in a Dublin hospital – but that it could not rule out that the virus is being looked at as one of several possibilities for a patient currently being treated there.


TheJournal.ie has confirmed with hospital sources this morning that a patient who had recently travelled abroad was being investigated as having a suspected virus. He is suffering from flu-like symptoms and consultants were looking at Ebola as one of the possibilities.


A HSE spokesperson told TheJournal.ie that there is no confirmed case this morning. They also say that there is officially no suspected case of Ebola. The HSE has confirmed that the WHO guidelines are in place in Ireland and in line with this, there are specific steps that need to be followed by a hospital should they have a suspected case. This includes notifying HPSC and referring samples for lab tests.

These steps have not been taken in this case but they could not rule out that Ebola is not currently being “considered” among a range of possibilities to explain the man’s symptoms. The patient is currently being treated using barrier nursing methods.


A source in the Mater Hospital also confirmed early this morning that a room was being prepared in the National Isolation Unit at the Mater Hospital for the possible arrival of the patient from the hospital where he is currently located.


However, the decision to transfer him has not yet been taken and he is currently being looked at by consultants. The Mater has said that it is not expecting any patient transfer.

Ebola is a highly infectious virus and this is the first suspected case in the country. So far over 1,000 people have died across West Africa from the disease. Yesterday the WHO warned that the outbreak was worse than previously thought.


Unlike other infections like influenza, Ebola is not airborne. It can only be transmitted by direct contact with the body fluids of a person who has the disease.
More as we get it…
- Additional reporting by Aoife Barry.
 
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Lilbitsnana

On TB every waking moment
All India Radio News @airnewsalerts · 3h

#Ebola: Two Nigerian nationals admitted to Dr Ram Manohar Lohia Hospital in New Delhi for observation.
 

Lilbitsnana

On TB every waking moment
TURKEY

Saliha Kübra Kabaali ‏@KABAALITURK 5m

Red alert in Turkey for #Ebola Türkiye'de kırmızı alarm! #Ebola şüphelisi karantinaya alındı http://bit.ly/1pf8S1W

Saliha Kübra Kabaali ‏@KABAALITURK 6m

Red alert in Turkey for #Ebola Türkiye'de kırmızı alarm! #Ebola şüphelisi karantinaya alındı http://bit.ly/1pf8S1W



BING translation
https://twitter.com/Hurriyet

Quarantined in Ebola suspect in Osmaniye

"Ebola" virus from Osmaniye suspicion of Balcali Hospital of Cukurova University brought to the 34-year-old H.r., retrieved an isolated room in the Infection

CHOI August 15, 2014
Türkiye'de yine 'kırmızı alarm'


Yesterday evening, the fire due to upper respiratory tract infections with severe diarrhea brought on by the family be seen Osmaniye State hospital that he came from Uganda, "ebola" H.r. virus Balcali Hospital of Cukurova University was referred to the suspicion.

Infection in an isolated room received blood samples from disease h.r. precise determination for the Ministry of healthsent to the. After the review, to be held in laboratories here for certain diagnoses will be placed.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Just got on to add the Irish news, but others got there before me (good work!) no other news yet, just repeats of the same information in other papers - hopefully another false alarm; but very worrying, especially with husband in Medical school. Thankfully he's not assigned at the Mater public hospital but at a different one. He also told me that in situations like this, usually the kick the med students out of the hospital if there is any chance of danger; unless of course someone presented at the emergency room with active symptoms that might bring the whole hospital into lock down including anyone in it at the time.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Irish press reporting patient has TESTING NEGATIVE for EBLOA...but this just in from the BBC is worrying


BBC News Africa
15 August 2014 Last updated at 11:34 GMT
Ebola crisis vastly underestimated, says WHO

The scale of the Ebola outbreak appears to be "vastly underestimated", the UN's health agency says, as the death toll from the disease reaches 1,069.

The World Health Organization (WHO) said its staff had seen evidence that the numbers of reported cases and deaths do not reflect the scale of the crisis.

It said in a statement that "extraordinary measures" were needed.

The outbreak began in Guinea in February and has since spread to Liberia, Sierra Leone and Nigeria.

However, the WHO said the risk of transmission of Ebola during air travel remained low, as the disease is not airborne.

As a consequence, Kenya Airways has rejected pressure to suspend its flights to the Ebola-hit states of West Africa.

Meanwhile, the international ratings agency Moody's says the Ebola outbreak - the world's deadliest so far - may have significant economic ramifications on the affected countries because commercial and transport disruptions are expected to last at least another month.
'Rampant fear'

The WHO said the outbreak was expected to continue "for some time".

"Staff at the outbreak sites see evidence that the numbers of reported cases and deaths vastly underestimate the magnitude of the outbreak," its statement said.

"WHO is co-ordinating a massive scaling up of the international response."

Part of the challenge was the fact that the outbreak was in "settings characterised by extreme poverty, dysfunctional health systems, a severe shortage of doctors and rampant fear", the WHO added.
Ebola virus disease (EVD)

Symptoms include high fever, bleeding and central nervous system damage
Fatality rate can reach 90% - but the current outbreak is about 55%
Incubation period is two to 21 days
There is no vaccine or cure
Supportive care such as rehydrating patients who have diarrhoea and vomiting can help recovery
Fruit bats are considered to be virus' natural host

In Nigeria - where four people have now died of Ebola - the residency training programme for doctors who work in government-run hospitals has been halted amid a nationwide doctors' strike that began in July.

BBC Africa's Chris Ewokor says the termination of the scheme - affecting an estimated 16,000 doctors - is likely to be linked to the ongoing strike as constitutionally other personnel are not allowed to be brought in to do their work.

With fears about the spread of Ebola, the authorities want to be able to bring military doctors into hospitals as part of contingency plans, he says.

The Ebola cases in Nigeria are linked to the late Liberian government employee, Patrick Sawyer, who brought the disease to the city of Lagos in July.

The outbreak is affecting the Youth Olympic Games about to start in China, as the International Olympic Committee (IOC) has ruled that athletes from Ebola-hit countries will not be allowed to compete in combat sports or in the pool, and Sierra Leone and Nigeria have withdrawn from the Games.

Ebola is transmitted by direct contact with the body fluids of a person who is infected.

Initial flu-like symptoms can lead to external haemorrhaging from areas such as eyes and gums, and internal bleeding which can lead to organ failure.

BBC

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From what was posted last night over at the PFI Forum this is the one that throws up another big red flag. Posted by Pixie with her comments following. (We have another big hole in the net to corral New Ebola).

PIXIE COMMENTS:
A few more details on that new mother, the tertiary contact who has tested positive.

How Lagos nursing mother contracted Ebola virus – Doctor

AUGUST 12, 2014
BY SAMSON FOLARIN
http://www.punchng.com/metro-plus/how-lagos-nursing-mother-contracted-ebola-virus-doctor/

A medical doctor has revealed how a nursing mother contracted the deadly Ebola virus at a Lagos hospital.

PUNCH Metro learnt that the woman was the patient who visited the Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation staff clinic on Muri Okunola Street in the Victoria Island area of Lagos.

NNPC had issued a press statement on Friday, saying that the clinic would be shut due to a suspected case of Ebola reported in the clinic.

Our correspondent gathered from the source, who had a first-hand information of the incident, that the nursing mother had first visited the First Consultant Medical Centre, Obalende.

He said, “The lady attended ante-natal at First Consultant prior to the arrival of the Liberian, Mr. Patrick Sawyer. She was delivered of her baby at the hospital after which she was discharged.

“A few weeks later, Mr. Sawyer came around and was attended to by health workers. He was first treated for malaria, then typhoid, before there was high index of suspicion. He tested positive for Ebola and died.

“Then the woman, who gave birth at the hospital came back to the hospital for her baby’s immunisation. The nurses who attended to Sawyer also attended to her.

“When she visited the place again last week, she discovered the place had been shut down for proper fumigation as a means of control against Ebola.”

He said the nursing mother decided to visit a neighbouring clinic which was the NNPC clinic.

He said it was there she began her treatment after she fell ill.

“She was first treated for Malaria. However, after some medical tests, there was a high suspicion of Ebola haemorrhagic fever.

“On Friday, the Lagos State’s emergency response team on Ebola virus came around and took her to the Infectious Diseases Hospital,” he added.

Our correspondent learnt that the yet-to-be-identified mother and her baby, who were taken away from the hospital on Friday, had been quarantined.

Confirming the report, the Medical Officer of Health, Iru-Victoria Island Local Council Development Area, Dr. Wale Akeredolu, said the patient tested positive to the Ebola virus after a second test was conducted on her.

He confirmed the incident at a sensitisation programme organised for residents of the Eti-Osa Local Government Area by the council on Monday.

He added, “The baby has also been quarantined to see if after the incubation period of two to 21 days, she would manifest the symptoms of Ebola.”

The council boss, Abayomi Daramola, appealed to residents not to shirk their responsibilities on the pretext of running away from the virus.

He said, “This is a trying time in Nigeria. But the presence of Ebola does not mean people should run away from their responsibilities. The public apprehension is what can even spread the disease faster. So, people should just follow personal hygiene, use sanitisers and wash their hands regularly.”

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(PIXIE'S) Comment:

So during the period that this new mother was being treated for malaria, to no avail, she was out and about in the community. Since she was being treated for malaria, we know that she was symptomatic during this period.
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Marthanoir

TB Fanatic
Marth, heard anything about this?

see next post #525 for latest info/story

posted for fair use
http://www.thejournal.ie/ebola-1621206-Aug2014/?utm_source=shortlink


First suspected case of Ebola in Ireland

Yeah saw that this morning, I'm impressed with the speed the HSE gave him the all clear, also impressed they cleared a room for him and didn't have him waiting on a trolley in A&E for 48hrs, he must have VHI ;)

hopefully some info will filter down to Melodi's hubby, cause the amount of denials all over the Irish media is not filling me with confidence,
 

Sacajawea

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Here is the list of supplies Emmet A. Dennis, president of the University of Liberia, e-mailed that he needs for his medical school personnel now fighting cases in Monrovia:

Gowns -- Isolation
Underpads -- Disposable
Gloves, Examination -- All Sizes
Body Bags - Adult & Children
Infectious Waste Bag -- Red
Face Mask -- Duckbilled
Face Shield Disposable
Eye Shields -- Disposable
Shoe Covers
Aprons - Disposable
Sanitizer Wipes
Plastic Boots
Surgical Caps -- Disposable
Disinfectant
Scrubs (L & XL)
Thermometer: Infrared -- Thermofocus
Disinfectant Soap
Chlorinated Disinfectant
Rehydration Fluids
R/L Solution
N/S Solution

It simply does not get more basic. As there are no miracle drugs for Ebola, the needs include few medicines, though other local responders tell me that they wish they had sterile syringes, saline drips, and fever modulators such as aspirin.

Just a bump; except for quarantine and restricting travel, I can't think of anything MORE useful at this time, to help contain the spread of this illness.
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CountryMouse: regarding the international students - it's been my experience that most often, the students stay here through the summer. Only the wealthiest can travel back & forth between semesters. And then - not every semester. They'll have student jobs at the university or find something locally, usually remaining in campus housing. And there are quite often, summer sessions of classes that they can attend, too.

So, not to panic - simply be aware that universities go out of their way to recruit int'l students. It looks good to their accreditating agencies and the FedGov funding people.
 

jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
i have a question. it is my understanding that the quickest test for ebola usually seems to turn up negative, but the 4 day test may ultimately show a positive. all these suspicious patients around the world that then are declared free of ebola because their test showed a negative, is this based on the quick test? and are they then released to the general public?

and another question, has anybody dared to throw out an estimate of how long one would have to stay in isolation at home before it is safe to walk abroad???
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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Jed... I've been thinking a minimum of 4 months,... but realizing that this has been spreading in Africa since March, and is heating up, not winding down... it might be closer to a year. God help us!

Summerthyme
 

Marthanoir

TB Fanatic
i have a question. it is my understanding that the quickest test for ebola usually seems to turn up negative, but the 4 day test may ultimately show a positive. all these suspicious patients around the world that then are declared free of ebola because their test showed a negative, is this based on the quick test? and are they then released to the general public?

and another question, has anybody dared to throw out an estimate of how long one would have to stay in isolation at home before it is safe to walk abroad???

Yeah also if all these suspected Ebola cases that test negative don't have Ebola then what do they have,
 
Just posted at the PFI Forum.


Ebola outbreak 'like war time'

Fri, 15 Aug 2014 2:28 PM
http://news.iafrica.com/worldnews/954975.html

The Ebola crisis in west Africa is outstripping the ability of aid organisations to stem the epidemic, the head of international medical charity MSF said Friday, likening it to a war.

"It is deteriorating faster, and moving faster, than we can respond to," Joanne Liu told reporters a day after returning from a 10-day mission to the hard-hit region.

"It is like war time. There is fear," she said.

"It's moving, and advancing, but we have no clue how it's going. Like in a war time, we have a total collapse of infrastructure," she added.

[snip]

"If we don't stabilise Liberia, we'll never stabilise the region," said Liu.
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Lilbitsnana

On TB every waking moment
Jed... I've been thinking a minimum of 4 months,... but realizing that this has been spreading in Africa since March, and is heating up, not winding down... it might be closer to a year. God help us!

Summerthyme

I started out thinking 6 mo to a year and am starting to think I was conservative. sigh
 

mala

Contributing Member
i have a question. it is my understanding that the quickest test for ebola usually seems to turn up negative, but the 4 day test may ultimately show a positive. all these suspicious patients around the world that then are declared free of ebola because their test showed a negative, is this based on the quick test? and are they then released to the general public?

and another question, has anybody dared to throw out an estimate of how long one would have to stay in isolation at home before it is safe to walk abroad???

Yeah, I think that's exactly what's happening. There are several different tests apparently depending on the stage of the disease, and so using the appropriate one is a question of timing. So the ones who receive the quick test and receive a negative are released. It's just an overwhelming situation for them because there are too many primary and secondary contacts to quarantine them all (thinking of Nigeria here).

I'm thinking that if this virus comes to the US and spreads, then it will probably "lighten up" during the winter months for those of us farther north, but not enough that I would want to go out. It all really depends on how the authorities respond. If they lock up the infected areas and stop travel, then we might be able to keep it from getting too widespread. I think we'll have a much better chance of doing this at the state level than at the federal level though.

The truth is that even though we have the capability to stay in place for a long time, if one of our neighbors showed up and said his wife was sick, I'd go help, and that would completely blow the whole thing. For those of us with faith, we need to take the long view!
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
This song has been going through my head a lot the last few days, one of those moments burned in my brain was coming off massive march against another epidemic (AIDS) and hearing this LIVE from the stage - different disease but the mention of "being like war" made me decide to post this - just listen to the words, not all apply her but whole lot of them -"We face a common enemy, We are living in War time"

 

bw

Fringe Ranger
It all really depends on how the authorities respond. If they lock up the infected areas and stop travel, then we might be able to keep it from getting too widespread. I think we'll have a much better chance of doing this at the state level than at the federal level though.

Any shutdown of our just-in-time inventorying will crash the economy. And most aren't ready for more than a couple days without access to a grocery store. I expect our government to react pretty much like Liberia - first denial, and then half-measures to deflect blame without actually solving the problem.
 

bbbuddy

DEPLORABLE ME
Any shutdown of our just-in-time inventorying will crash the economy. And most aren't ready for more than a couple days without access to a grocery store. I expect our government to react pretty much like Liberia - first denial, and then half-measures to deflect blame without actually solving the problem.

^^^^THIS^^^^
 

Tygerkittn

Veteran Member
Dr. Brantly is being discharged in the next few days. I can't find the story I read to post the link, I wonder if it was taken down? I read it this morning or last night, though, and fully expected someone would have already posted it here.
Take it with a grain of salt since I can't find the link.
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
Dr. Brantly is being discharged in the next few days. I can't find the story I read to post the link, I wonder if it was taken down? I read it this morning or last night, though, and fully expected someone would have already posted it here.
Take it with a grain of salt since I can't find the link.

I just posted what info I could find about this on the thread that was started about it:

http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/show...-with-Ebola-to-be-released-from-hospital-soon
 

mala

Contributing Member
Any shutdown of our just-in-time inventorying will crash the economy. And most aren't ready for more than a couple days without access to a grocery store. I expect our government to react pretty much like Liberia - first denial, and then half-measures to deflect blame without actually solving the problem.

I could be wrong, but even as we speak there are strategists working to make sure that doesn't happen because whoever is left after this mess bottoms out is the winner. I believe that's one of the main reasons the media/authorities are publicly downplaying this so heavily. If chaos ensues, they immediately lose their infrastructure, and they can't afford to do it with China and Russia watching us like a couple of vultures.

On the other hand, never underestimate the stupidity of bureaucracy!

It could also be that we'll be able to put out the ebola fires as they appear without too much collateral damage. We'll have to wait and see how we adapt. I think the gov't has a very strong survival drive, and has already figured out that if this gets out of hand they are finished, so they will do everything they can to keep it under control or at least give the appearance of control. (Of course, that could be wishful thinking on my part.)
 

joannita

Veteran Member
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News You Can Use: Trusted Resources on Ebola
Written by: Sheila Snow-Croft, Public Health Coordinator, National Network of Libraries of Medicine, Southeastern/Atlantic Region

The Ebola virus is all over the news these days; the World Health Organization (WHO) has now declared the outbreak in West Africa an international health emergency. As always, we urge everyone to use authoritative resources for information and common sense when evaluating news and reports. Remember, there have not been any cases of human illness or death due to Ebola reported in the western hemisphere. Good information can be your best defense.

For basic information about the virus, MedlinePlus is the best starting point for research. Ebola is a viral hemorrhagic fever (VHF) and learning about the category is a great place to begin: http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/hemorrhagicfevers.html (also available in Spanish). MedlinePlus provides links to other great resources, such as the World Health Organization, covering the overall VHF category, http://www.who.int/topics/haemorrhagic_fevers_viral/en/ and Ebola Hemorrhagic Fever in particular, http://www.who.int/csr/disease/ebola/en/. The Centers for Disease Control (CDC) is our primary research organization and they are working overtime addressing this crisis; learn about it from them at http://www.cdc.! gov/ncidod/dvrd/spb/mnpages/dispages/vhf.htm and http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/. The CDC also provides a helpful guide to assist health professionals when evaluating patients suspected of having the Ebola virus: http://emergency.cdc.gov/han/han00364.asp. A perhaps less known government organization, the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), is another great source of information, as they are working together with many other organizations and colleagues to develop vaccines and treatments: http://www.niaid.nih.gov/topics/ebolaMarburg/research/Pages/default.aspx.

Learning the facts before becoming overly alarmed remains good advice regarding all illnesses. With Ebola, receiving intensive treatment as soon as possible is key. Untested, rumored treatments and cures are dangerous because they provide false hope and often prevent or delay people from seeking medical treatment. Major health organizations work hard to provide and disperse good information along with treatment; knowing where to send colleagues and friends for quality information is important and we should all learn what we can before the virus ever reaches our shores."
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
Remember, there have not been any cases of human illness or death due to Ebola reported in the western hemisphere. Good information can be your best defense. ... Major health organizations work hard to provide and disperse good information along with treatment; knowing where to send colleagues and friends for quality information is important and we should all learn what we can before the virus ever reaches our shores."

Well that was all very jolly.
 

bbbuddy

DEPLORABLE ME
Haha, all sites from .gov and WHO, all controlled "news". Yeah, THATS a big help. Just like hiding under the covers keeps the monsters at bay...
 
Just posted at the PFI Forum by Pixie, the moderator. My comments follow.


One patient in a 200-bed hospital: how Ebola has devastated Liberia's health system

Patients with other illnesses now dying due to lack of medical care amid Ebola outbreak in Liberia


By Colin Freeman, Bong County, Liberia6:00PM BST 15 Aug 2014
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wor...la-has-devastated-Liberias-health-system.html

Three-year-old Matu Buema lies wheezing in her hospital bed, a tiny, listless bundle in her mother Fatu's arms. The normally bouncy toddler is suffering from a bout of malaria that could easily kill her - yet right now, she is far and away the luckiest of the patients to have sought help at Phebe Hospital in central Liberia.

Last month, five of the hospital's nurses and one doctor became infected while treating a patient carrying the Ebola virus, and in the ensuing panic, most of the rest of the staff fled en masse.

The hospital has been closed ever since, and for the 330,000 residents of Bong County, a swathe of dense rainforests scattered with remote villages, there are now no emergency hospital facilities at all, be it for Ebola or anything else.

Those who bring sick or dying loved ones to Phebe's gates are stopped by security guards, some of whom carry spiked clubs in case their message that the hospital cannot help does not go down well.

The only case that get past the checkpoint are those where a child's life is in imminent danger, such as young Fatu, or mothers with complications during childbirth. Who gets in and who doesn’t is down to the discretion of the two doctors still working at the hospital, but even then there is a limit to their charity.

With most of the hospital technicians and specialists absent, many operations cannot be carried out all, and when The Telegraph visited Phebe last week, malaria-stricken Matu was the sole patient in a facility with 200 beds.

"At the moment we can look after only the most critical cases because of the lack of staff," said Kerson Saykor, the administrator of Phebe, standing next to a memorial picture of one of the dead nurses posted to a wall.

"We want the nurses to come back, but they are saying they want protective equipment in case any other patients come in with Ebola, and we do have enough of that to give them yet."

The problems at Phebe are repeated across Liberia, with scores of clinics and hospitals now shut because of the Ebola outbreak. Such has been the chaos that no hard figures on the numbers of closures are available, but with around 80 of the country's 6,000 health workers infected with the virus, including some senior physicians, the impact on the health service has been devastating.

Earlier this month, three hospitals in the capital, Monrovia, were shut, including St Joseph's Catholic Hospital, where an elderly Spanish missionary, Miguel Pajares, died from Ebola last week after being flown back to Spain for treatment. The two other hospitals in Monrovia since reopened, but are now so overstretched that people in Bong County know there is little point in making the four-hour long journey to go there.

The result is that any adult who falls acutely ill in Bong County right now can expect to die. In the township next to Phoebe hospital, a collection of shacks and breeze-block homes amid palms and dense bush, locals said that two residents had passed away in the last week alone because of lack of treatment.

One of them, Yanduay Forkpah, 69, was actually being treated in Phebe when the outbreak began, and was simply ordered to leave, according to his sister Younger Franklin, 62, who had buried him the day before The Telegraph visited.

"My brother developed pains in his neck about three weeks ago, and he spent two nights in the hospital," said Ms Franklin, as she walked down a bush trail to the clearing where his grave now lay, a mound of earth adorned with a cross made of two twigs.

"We didn't know what was wrong with him. But just as they were about to give him an X-ray, they told him the hospital was closing because the staff were dying of Ebola. Since so many other hospitals were shutting too, we had no choice but to bring him home, where he died."

Another case was that of Qweta Karba, 45, a mother-of-nine who was diagnosed two years with a chronic stomach ulcer. It suddenly grew worse again in late July, and despite agonising abdominal pain, all her husband Danny M Karba Senior could do was give her paracetamol.

"She died three days ago, by which time the pain was getting really bad for her," said Mr Karba, 62. "I am very sad that nobody was able to treat my wife – they could at least have done an ultrasound for her. The children are terribly sad."

Ironically, Mr Karbah is himself one of the health workers who deserted the hospital: he works at Phebe as a nurse and counsellor treating HIV cases. But while HIV is now a known quantity, Ebola is entirely new to the region, and its horrific symptoms, which include bleeding from the eyes, inspire terror even in health workers.

"I was working there when the outbreak killed some of the nurses, and everyone just ran away," he said. "We cannot go back there until they give us protective gloves to work with people."

Right now, nobody knows quite how many people have died in Bong County and elsewhere as a result of not being able to get emergency medical treatment.

But with the outbreak engulfing not just Liberia but Sierra Leone, Guinea and Nigeria, aid agencies fear it could get worse before it gets better. Even if they can provide health workers with the necessary protective equipment, many may still be scared to come back to work.

In an assessment paper earlier this week, UNICEF warned of an "overwhelming gap in the delivery of critical life-saving interventions" caused by the Ebola break. The report said it also risked driving patients to seek the care of bush midwives and traditional healers, many of whom do not observe proper hygienic practices.

More seriously, the absence of health workers is undermining basic vaccination programmes for the likes of measles and polio collapsing.
Immunisation rates are barely at 50 per cent at best, and the report warned that "with mothers afraid to take their children to health facilities, immunisation is expected to drop significantly by up to half the current coverage rate."

Sheldon Yett, the Liberia representative for UNICEF, told The Telegraph: "We are all now focusing on the Ebola epidemic, but we are facing other impacts just down the road because of the huge impact on the health system. There is potentially a much bigger disaster on our hands
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Sheldon Yett, the Liberia representative for UNICEF, told The Telegraph: "We are all now focusing on the Ebola epidemic, but we are facing other impacts just down the road because of the huge impact on the health system. There is potentially a much bigger disaster on our hands."
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MY COMMENT:
Pixie, This is just as we predicted years ago in regards to the knock-off effects of a high CFR pandemic. The auxiliaries, (as I called them), will kill off almost as many as the primary pandemic virus.

Unfortunately, West Africa is turning out to be the proving ground for all of our previous speculations in regards to high CFR pandemics in the modern age.
 

ainitfunny

Saved, to glorify God.
How fast will American Medical care go "third world" if EBOLA hits Here??
Terrifyingly fast!!


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Nebraska biocontainment unit prepared for the worst

August 06, 2014 8:05 pm • By CHRIS DUNKER / Lincoln Journal Star
http://journalstar.com/news/local/n...cle_b1116f96-4073-578f-aae5-0cb6cb7c73b1.html


DAN LITTLE/Lincoln Journal Star
Dr. Angela Hewlett, associate medical director of the Nebraska Biocontainment Patient
Care Unit, demonstrates the biological protection suit and patient transport system
that would be used for treating patients infected with Ebola.



There are 22 hospital beds capable of treating patients infected by the deadly Ebola
virus in the United States.


Designed to completely isolate a patient and prevent further spread of a disease, they
are located in places like Emory University Hospital in Atlanta, or the National
Institutes of Health in Bethesda, Maryland, or the Rocky Mountain Laboratory in
Montana....


HOW FAST will AMERICAN MEDICAL CARE "Go third world" in the reality of the Ebola Epidemic arriving in OUR nation??.........Not long at all after our NATIONWIDE CAPACITY of merely 22 american Hospital ISOLATION BEDS THAT CAN ACTUALLY TREAT THE PATIENTS, are filled up!!

Then they will probably set up tent hospitals as "isolation hospitals"....and as THEY become overwhelmed and it degenerates to merely warehousing them with treatment being only a bottle of water, no actual PAIN medicine or food to lie there in their feces to either live or die, for lack of staff and protective gear to keep a higher level of care for basically dying people. When EVEN THOSE MOBILE HOSPITALS BECOME OVERWHELMED, The government will move to basically imprisonment chain linked, armed guard fenced isolation areas (stadiums, parking garages?) with few if any actual beds, more likely HOSE ABLE MATS ON A CONCRETE FLOOR ( OR DIRT YARD) with potentially only a source of cold water, primitive group, open toilets.

Lastly, when EVEN THAT CANNOT BE SUPPORTED, people will be encouraged to self isolate at home and A "cordon sanitaire" will shut down travel, and the call to "BRING OUT YOUR DEAD!" (For collection and burial in mass graves, ) Will, after hundreds of years, once again be heard in FIRST WORLD CITIES
 
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Doomer Doug

TB Fanatic
One of the clearest signs the government is overwhelmed is the speed they allow information to come out. WHO has said for weeks now that Ebola is no big deal, don't worry be happy etc. WHO then ramped things up a bit to express "concern" that "possibly" there are some issues in Liberia etc. WHO then ramped things up even more by allowing the Samaritan's Purse execs to tell the House committee that things are worse than official stats are saying.

WHO then releases dueling memos indicating that air travel is okay, but Ebola is much worse than WHO said it was even two weeks ago. I mean WHO speaking from political considerations solely related to global economic issues. WE ARE ON OUR OWN.

The government, local, city, county, state and federal will lie and lie right up to the very end. WHO etc are going to lie. WHO released the "worse than we thought" memo since they knew the Internet is outstripping spin control. Matt Drudge has apparently been ordered to stand down from the Ebola story. He hasn't had more than one or two stories for at least a week.

The Nigerian health authorities tell us that Mr. Sawyer exposed 177 people, including the 15, to the virus. Of those they are "monitoring" all 177. The nurse exposed 21 people who are being "monitoring." She took a cab for seven hours. It was washed down with bleach and sent back into service. I mean YOU CAN'T MAKE THIS INSANITY UP.

Nigeria now has a Lagos infection zone, combined with an Ecbanka? zone. There are at least two other potential zones based on people showing up in other hospitals. Again, they cause chaos, are sent home with minimal treatment, and this is called "monitoring."

Liberia reports five more rotting corpses in a slum containing masses of poor people, filthy streets, feral dogs etc etc etc

Regional Ebola epidemic for Liberia. CHECK

Regional Ebola epidemic for the rest of West Africa. CHECK

Regional Ebola epidemic for Nigeria. ALL THE LEMONS ARE LINING UP ON THE EBOLA SLOT MACHINE.
Lagos. CHECK
Ebanka. CHECK
SEVERAL HUNDRED PEOPLE EXPOSED TO MR SAWYER, OR EXPOSED TO PEOPLE EXPOSED TO MR. SAWYER. CHECK.

If Doomer Doug is correct, we should hear official reports, or at least panicked whispers, of dozens of sick people starting to show up at hospitals all over Nigeria in the next two weeks or so.

Mr.Sawyer got to Nigeria on July 20th. He died on the 25th. From at least, repeat at least, July 15th he was contagious and running around Liberia, Ghanna etc etc He exposed nearly 200, repeat 200, at the minimum we know about, in Nigeria alone.

When you add up all the people Mr. Sawyer exposed in Nigeria, plus all the people they exposed; finally, all the people those people exposed you are talking about anywhere from 500 to 2000 people.

The "official" dead from Ebola is 1100. The true rate is by now easily 10,000. The "official" infected rate is 2,000 or so. The real rate is easily 20,000 to 30,000 by now, not including Nigeria.

Mr. Sawyer July 20th. People exposed showing symptoms from July 23 to August 10th. People exposed to the 2nd wave from July 25th to August 12th and so on and so on.

Now isn't it interesting that over the last five to ten days there have been at least a DOZEN reports of potential Ebola cases showing up at Nigerian hospitals in several cities besides Lagos?
 

Lilbitsnana

On TB every waking moment
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Be Well

may all be well
Yeah also if all these suspected Ebola cases that test negative don't have Ebola then what do they have,

More than a couple of cases reported in articles from W. Africa have said "so and so tested negative and later tested positive". Apparently early on in the disease the viral load doesn't register in the test. They have to get really bad symptoms, from my readings, to be able to test positive; at least in some cases. IOW the test is not sold gold trustworthy.
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
More than a couple of cases reported in articles from W. Africa have said "so and so tested negative and later tested positive". Apparently early on in the disease the viral load doesn't register in the test. They have to get really bad symptoms, from my readings, to be able to test positive; at least in some cases. IOW the test is not sold gold trustworthy.

So they're being released to ripen a little. It's almost hard to see what else they can do. They're so swamped by the known infected, they can't begin to deal with the possibles. Of course it's the road to disaster, but frankly that was baked in some weeks ago.
 

naturallysweet

Has No Life - Lives on TB
If Ebola acts like the Spanish flu, it's going to go around the globe (possible multiple times), and mutate as it moves. Remember, people who have recovered from Ebola in the past have already gotten this new Ebola. So just like having the flu one year doesn't mean we are immune from the next years flu, Ebola is going to mutate the same way.

Personally, I think this might just be a two-year-event complete with a total destruction of the US dollar and economic system. Before this is over, we will all wish they had just nuked the original town that it popped up in.

Or it could vanish like it has in the past. But the problem with that thinking is that it was always contained to villages. It's crossed international boundaries and found it's way aboard airplanes.
 

Be Well

may all be well
Doomer Doug, I can'f find any flaw in your cogitations.

Only this one teeny thing:
WHO then ramped things up even more by allowing the Samaritan's Purse execs to tell the House committee that things are worse than official stats are saying.

Do you really think WHO allowed this? I would think Samaritan's Purse does what it wants independent of WHO?
 

Lilbitsnana

On TB every waking moment
South Lanarkshire....UK...Scotland

posted for fair use
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-28807589

15 August 2014 Last updated at 11:11 ET
Dungavel detainee in South Lanarkshire tested for Ebola
Dungavel Detention Centre Admissions and releases at Dungavel have been suspended
Continue reading the main story
Ebola outbreak

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Mapping the outbreak
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A female detainee who took ill at Dungavel Detention Centre in South Lanarkshire has been taken to hospital to undergo tests for the Ebola virus.

It is understood she had been taken there after arriving from Sierra Leone.

The Home Office has suspended the detention or release of detainees from Dungavel while the investigation continues. Staff and visitors are still being allowed in and out of the centre.

An outbreak of Ebola in Africa has claimed the lives of 1,069 people.

A statement from NHS Lanarkshire said: "We are currently investigating a possible case of Viral Haemorrhagic Fever (Ebola).

"This is a precautionary measure and it would appear at this stage to be highly unlikely the patient will test positive for Ebola."

The Ebola epidemic in Africa began in Guinea in February and has since spread to Liberia, Sierra Leone and Nigeria.

Ebola is transmitted by direct contact with the body fluids of a person who is infected.

Initial flu-like symptoms can lead to external haemorrhaging from areas such as eyes and gums, and internal bleeding which can lead to organ failure.
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Coloured transmission electron micro graph of a single Ebola virus, the cause of Ebola fever

Symptoms include high fever, bleeding and central nervous system damage
Fatality rate can reach 90% - but the current outbreak is about 55%
Incubation period is two to 21 days
There is no vaccine or cure
Supportive care such as rehydrating patients who have diarrhoea and vomiting can help recovery
Fruit bats are considered to be virus' natural host
 

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