Lost thread about KI alternative.. petstores source

BadMedicine

Would *I* Lie???
Sorry:-( I searched and searched!! I can't recall either the title, or any keywords that would seperate it from the 999,999,999 other threads here about radiation fall out:-P

I was hoiping somebody had the link to the thread about the stuff you can get at pet/feed/stock stores that is an alt to KI in the form that you dip your finger in it to the knickle.. anyone remember? It's starting to look like nuclear home-stretch so I'm doubling stocking efforrts. Thanks in advance, BM
 

SmartAZ

Membership Revoked
BS!

There is a difference between iodine and iodide. It's only a difference of one electron, but that makes all the difference in the world.

Iodine is an element. It is poisonous if you swallow it. That's why it works as a disinfectant. It is not absorbed by skin. It evaporates at room temperature. So if you swab some on your skin you will be disinfected there, and then the iodine will eventually evaporate, if it doesn't get rubbed off first.

Iodide has one less electron, which completely changes its characteristics. It exists only as a salt, which means a combination with a metal. It is not poisonous. In fact, it is a necessary nutrient.

So the only way you are going to get the nutritional effect you want is to get potassium iodide. Potassium iodate is also offered. The "ate" means there is some oxygen in the molecule too.
 

Charlie

Membership Revoked
SmartAZ said:
BS!

There is a difference between iodine and iodide. It's only a difference of one electron, but that makes all the difference in the world.

Iodine is an element. It is poisonous if you swallow it. That's why it works as a disinfectant. It is not absorbed by skin. It evaporates at room temperature. So if you swab some on your skin you will be disinfected there, and then the iodine will eventually evaporate, if it doesn't get rubbed off first.

Iodide has one less electron, which completely changes its characteristics. It exists only as a salt, which means a combination with a metal. It is not poisonous. In fact, it is a necessary nutrient.

So the only way you are going to get the nutritional effect you want is to get potassium iodide. Potassium iodate is also offered. The "ate" means there is some oxygen in the molecule too.

Since there have been several threads here about "credibility" lately, I feel it is proper that I supply the following FACTS!

You can say BS if you wish, but please read the following information from a bottle of "Strong Iodine" that I just pulled out of my medical prep chest.

Contains
Iodine 7.0%
Isoprople Alcohol 82.0%
Inert Ingredients
Potassium Iodide 3.0%

For crying out loud. This information is posted at Shanes site.
 

Charlie

Membership Revoked
SmartAZ said:
BS!

There is a difference between iodine and iodide. It's only a difference of one electron, but that makes all the difference in the world.

Iodine is an element. It is poisonous if you swallow it. That's why it works as a disinfectant. It is not absorbed by skin. It evaporates at room temperature. So if you swab some on your skin you will be disinfected there, and then the iodine will eventually evaporate, if it doesn't get rubbed off first.

Iodide has one less electron, which completely changes its characteristics. It exists only as a salt, which means a combination with a metal. It is not poisonous. In fact, it is a necessary nutrient.

So the only way you are going to get the nutritional effect you want is to get potassium iodide. Potassium iodate is also offered. The "ate" means there is some oxygen in the molecule too.

On yet another note........
 

Attachments

  • doctor.jpg
    doctor.jpg
    52.2 KB · Views: 110

Charlie

Membership Revoked
Rusty Shackelford said:
Charlie ....it's use less to even deal with these idiots......I'm outa here Dude..Peace Out!

Rusty....from one Kook to another. Stick around. Wouldjahey?????
 

DustMusher

Deceased
Read the whole thing by following the link, but here is the reader's digest version

From Shane's site
http://www.ki4u.com/#6
Topical Iodine Applications
There has been some interesting research, though, with both humans and dogs into topically (on the skin) applied Povidone-Iodine (10%) solution (such as Betadine® or Povidex® solutions), and also with tincture of iodine, to test the absorption rates of iodine directly through the skin. But, it was found not to be as quick in providing thyroid blocking as oral Potassium Iodide (KI) or KIO3, nor as consistent, and then, often, at lower levels of protection. Questions remain of skin irritation, determining the amount of Iodine solution to apply, where best to apply it, how long to apply it, and the effects of temperature and humidity on absorption through the skin. Also, insufficient testing has been done on specific groups, such as infants, children, and pregnant and nursing women to know how effective it would be and the full range of complications that could be expected with repeated applications. For instance, the skin absorption of iodine products in neonates with inhibition of thyroid function has been documented in the past. The use of Povidone-Iodine is the most frequent cause of this type of intoxication. Another study showed that Povidone-Iodine did not significantly influence neonatal thyroid function if they were used to a full term neonate only once and even to a wide skin surface.
Another source, non-medical, claims that by using the stronger 7% tincture iodine and just dipping the index finger of the person being treated up to the first knuckle (just above the fingernail) would provide the proper dosing. They claim this would work for all people as our fingers are roughly proportionate to our size and weight. That may be true, but that this technique would actually provide sufficient quantity and effective absorption of iodine for thyroid-blocking has not been verified. (Additional documentation and source references have been requested of that author. And, will be promptly posted here if provided.)
Clearly more research is needed before embracing the topically applied techniques as a one-size-fits-all solution, as its limitations must first be more fully understood. However...
According to research by Health Physicist Ken Miller, Hershey Medical Center, using 24 healthy adult male subjects, an adult could get a blocking dose of stable iodine by painting 8 ml of a 2 percent tincture of Iodine on the abdomen or forearm approximately 2 hours prior to I-131 contamination. The abstract of his study titled "Effectiveness of Skin Absorption of Tincture of I in Blocking Radioiodine from the Human Thyroid Gland" from Health Physics, June 1989, Vol. 56, No. 6, pages 911-914, (To read abstract, search the title of the article here <http://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/sis/htmlgen?TOXLINE>) states:
"Although there were large variations within each subject group in regard to serum-I levels and thyroid uptakes, the increase in serum-I concentration after topical-I application was effective in reducing the thyroid uptake of I131. The authors conclude that in the absence of KI, most humans would benefit from topical application of tincture of-I, and that in some the effectiveness would equal that of oral KI."
Hmmm... interesting Plan "B"(Betadine®) possibilities here, if in a pinch!
 

Charlie

Membership Revoked
Dustmusher. FWWIW, I have all three here. Pills, 7% solution AND Betadyne. And I live a long way from a high priority target. But being a ZEN PREPPER, I cover my bases.

From what I have read, a nice big rosy patch on your belly using 7% STRONG IODINE will do the same job as the pills. The speed of the dose is a legit question, but nobody needs to crap their pants thinking that K1 "pills" are not available and that there is no alternative source. www.drsfostersmith.com will sell you all you want.
 

nannygoat

Inactive
be very careful with the 7% iodine - I normally just drown the umbilical cord of a baby goat with iodine but I use Betadine or tamed iodine - well was at a fair and delivered a kid and asked somebody for the iodine and they handed me their bottle - well it was 7% - I put on alot of it and got a bunch on my leg which short time later felt like it was on fire - short time later I was at the wash rack trying to soak my leg down where the iodine had stained it - I still have a scar - do not know if everybody will have that response but a human dr friend said that is why they use tamed iodine with humans now - too many people have tissue death problems with injuries treated with the 7% - I am iodine sensitive so I am worried how I would react to taking the pills
 

SmartAZ

Membership Revoked
Charlie,

I'm sorry about the BS part. A bit too emphatic*. I read the post from Dustmusher, and that is the first I have heard about iodine being absorbed through the skin. I stand corrected on that point.

* Well, I can't help it if I'm SmartAZ! :D
 

Charlie

Membership Revoked
nannygoat said:
be very careful with the 7% iodine - I normally just drown the umbilical cord of a baby goat with iodine but I use Betadine or tamed iodine - well was at a fair and delivered a kid and asked somebody for the iodine and they handed me their bottle - well it was 7% - I put on alot of it and got a bunch on my leg which short time later felt like it was on fire - short time later I was at the wash rack trying to soak my leg down where the iodine had stained it - I still have a scar - do not know if everybody will have that response but a human dr friend said that is why they use tamed iodine with humans now - too many people have tissue death problems with injuries treated with the 7% - I am iodine sensitive so I am worried how I would react to taking the pills

All good points.

Here is some more information from the bottle I have sitting next to my computer.

CAUTION: Do not apply under bandage. This product may irritate tender skin areas. In case of deep or puncture wounds or serious burns, consult a veterinarian. If redness, irritation or swelling persists or increases discontinue use and consult a veterinarian. Avoid contact with eyes and mucous membranes. Not for deep wounds or body cavities. Do not use on burns. May be fatal if swallowed.

If you are too dense to know how to deal with medical emergencies when TSHTF then I do agree you should just avoid any risk and bend down and kiss your rump goodbye. Because if you have not educated yourselves by this time on the basics.....it is too late anyhow. :ld:
 

SmartAZ

Membership Revoked
The two questions mentioned previously can now be answered:

1. Is the cutaneous route of iodine supplementation practical and effective?
2. Does the skin iodine patch test give a reliable indication of whole body sufficiency for iodine?

To answer the first question, we will use the data in the six subjects who were exposed to 160 mg iodine via cutaneous application, because the mean serum iodide levels were relatively constant over the 24 hr period: 0.27 mg/L at 2 hr; 0.2 mg/L at 6 hr and 0.24 mg/L at 24 hr post intervention. The mean value of the 3 means is 0.24 mg/L iodide. The average amount of iodine bioavailable in these 6 subjects would be the product of the serum iodide levels by the renal clearance of iodide, that is 43.5 L/day (3). 0.24 mg iodide/L × 43.5 L/day = 10.4 mg. The percent of bioavailable iodine from 160 mg applied to the skin is 10.4 x 100 / 160 = 6.5%. If the data reported by Nyiri and Jannitti 1 in dogs can be extrapolated to humans, that is 12% of the applied iodine was available for utilization by the body, with 88% evaporated; then some 50% of the remaining skin depot of iodine was available during the first 24 hrs following skin exposure to iodine. One can conclude that skin application of iodine is an effective if not efficient and practical way for supplementation of iodine with an expected bioavailability of 6 to 12% of the total iodine applied to the skin. The serum iodide levels were 10 times higher 2 hr post intervention with oral ingestion of 100 mg iodide than with 160 mg iodine applied to the skin(Fig. 2) .

Image3.gif


From the published data, the skin iodine patch test is not a reliable method to assess whole body sufficiency for iodine. Many factors play a role in the disappearance of the yellow color of iodine from the surface of the skin. For example, if iodine is reduced to iodide by the skin, the yellow color of iodine will disappear because iodide is white. In order to regenerate iodine on the skin, one needs to apply an oxidant such as hydrogen peroxide, complicating the test further. The evaporation of iodine from the skin increases with increased ambient temperatures and decreased atmospheric pressure due to weather conditions and altitude. For example, the yellow color of iodine will disappear much faster in Denver, Colorado at 5,000 feet above sea level then Los Angeles, California at sea level, irrespective of the amount of bioavailable iodine.

SOURCE
 
Top