WTF?!? Lizzo Says Body Positivity Movement Leaving Behind Women in Sizes 18+
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You are far too kind. She's a huge fat-assed niggaho with a nigra attitude.
She'd get away with it because she is light skinned.
I've known plenty of black girls that are toothpicks and it isn't because they are drug skanks. They can have toothpick legs and arms but they still have a butt. Very similar body type as you see in some of the taller African tribes.
And not all black men like the super large women as their preference, a lot of them will take what is offered for free just like white men.
The black community has a lot of health problems for a reason. And the lack of self control exhibited in their diet also shows up in other areas of their lives.
naturallysweet
Has No Life - Lives on TB
"lots of white girls...."
This is the real problem for her.
This is the real problem for her.
Seeker22
Has No Life - Lives on TB
I have this really crazy thing I live by. Body As Temple. Wholesome natural food and drink, lots of exercise under the wide blue sky and bright sun. Peace and Beauty and Joy. The world intrudes and tries to take this away from me, but I fight to keep that Serenity that living in this way brings me.
Fat is ugly. Fat is unhealthy. Especially if the root cause of that fat is gluttony. Beating me over the head with accepting it will win them no friends. When those fat people have lived off the welfare dime and my loved one literally worked themselves to death to (unwillingly) support that system, I am coldly furious that they should lecture me. I have people in early grave and they are still stuffing their worthless pie holes and working on an entertainment career. How sweet.
There are fat people that are that way because of genetics. That's okay. That's the way they are wired. I prefer being within my healthy weight because in fighting trim I am able to...fight. And run and survive. That might come in handy in these perilous times.
Fat is ugly. Fat is unhealthy. Especially if the root cause of that fat is gluttony. Beating me over the head with accepting it will win them no friends. When those fat people have lived off the welfare dime and my loved one literally worked themselves to death to (unwillingly) support that system, I am coldly furious that they should lecture me. I have people in early grave and they are still stuffing their worthless pie holes and working on an entertainment career. How sweet.
There are fat people that are that way because of genetics. That's okay. That's the way they are wired. I prefer being within my healthy weight because in fighting trim I am able to...fight. And run and survive. That might come in handy in these perilous times.
The Snack Artist
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"girls with thighs that aren’t separated” This will eventually start a fire. And no, they couldn't run a half mile if their life depended on it. Even at 20 something.
wvstuck
Only worry about what you can control!
An estimated 45 million Americans go on a diet each year, and Americans spend $33 billion each year on weight loss products. Yet, nearly two-thirds of Americans are overweight or obese. Obesity is a chronic disease that requires lifelong treatment and medical care.
The Snack Artist
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I disagree wholeheartedly. Obesity can be cured by maintaining correct caloric intake. Obesity requires lifelong dedication to not eating high carbohydrate laden foods and moderate exercise. The advent of fast food filled with High fructose Corn Syrup is in my estimation the elephant in the room so to speak. Nobody balks at the Caramel Frappuccino gotten in the DRIVE THROUGH at starbucks. These are about 800 calories.
wvstuck
Only worry about what you can control!
You may disagree... But obese people aren't the best at getting on diets and sticking with them... Thus the incidents of High Blood Pressure, Diabetes, Overall Heart Disease, Joint and back problems and the list goes on... Then they need lifelong treatment... The percentage of Obese people who make lifestyle changes is small enough to make it irrelevant .
The Snack Artist
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It is a person's responsibility to maintain their own health. Not a doctors. No amount of pills or treatments will make you the right weight for your height. It's a math problem and math just is. Calories in - exercise = Goal weight. It doesn't matter if folks aren't the best at getting on diets and sticking with them. People need to eat correctly. If our country wasn't rich like we are, we'd be scrounging for our next meal like most of the world does. Look at any picture from 1970 or before. Yes, you had a big boned person here and there but 99% of the folks were thin. That's because they ate home cooking. There was no fast food.
wvstuck
Only worry about what you can control!
Agreed, but people don't do it, they try one fad after another and never get there. I teach the very principles you are speaking of. But the vast majority don't listen in America, they stay obese and cost the health system a lot of money every year. The term body shaming came from fat people wanting to feel good about doing nothing, they were uncomfortable around healthy people who worked hard to eat correctly and exercise, they needed someone to pat them on the back and tell them they were normal and ok. The "in" crowd just chooses to glaze over the health effects of an overweight population... Poor eating choices and lack of exercise kill more people a year than anything else...
Unhealthy eating and physical inactivity are leading causes of death in the U.S. Unhealthy diet contributes to approximately 678,000 deaths each year in the U.S., due to nutrition- and obesity-related diseases, such as heart disease, cancer, and type 2 diabetes.
you don't need a doctor to fix it
All this supposed "expertise" on obesity when even the medical community can't explain the complexity of the disease. Whatever you may think about it, they are people and deserve respect. Many of you might want to examine your own heart rather than judge others as it is totally without empathy and kindness and instead cold and ugly.
Doc1
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Question for the ladies
In an earlier post (on this thread) I observed that fat men have it at least as hard as fat women, when it comes to perceptions of attractiveness. Now, I want complete honesty from the ladies here in answering the following question:
In your youth - and by this I mean from elementary school through college - whom did you ladies find more attractive, fat males or those of (more) normal weight?
There. Simple question. I have my own ideas of what the results will be, but I suspect they'll be no different than asking the same question with the genders reversed.
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Doc
In an earlier post (on this thread) I observed that fat men have it at least as hard as fat women, when it comes to perceptions of attractiveness. Now, I want complete honesty from the ladies here in answering the following question:
In your youth - and by this I mean from elementary school through college - whom did you ladies find more attractive, fat males or those of (more) normal weight?
There. Simple question. I have my own ideas of what the results will be, but I suspect they'll be no different than asking the same question with the genders reversed.
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Doc
Milkweed Host
Veteran Member
On my last physical, the doctor said that controlling weight consist of 20% exercise and 80% nutrition.
She didn't say Atkins diet but danced all around it.
She didn't say Atkins diet but danced all around it.
boo hoo
the disease is not that complex. If you eat too many calories and do not get enough exercise you die.
and after all these years the expertise in the medical community can't fix it because it is not a medical problem.
Doctors can't fix it because it is not a medical problem.
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Milkweed Host
Veteran Member
I read years ago, that when women size up a male, they look at breeding appeal as one of the interest or
attractiveness in a male. The male has a less restrictive viewpoint.
attractiveness in a male. The male has a less restrictive viewpoint.
Melodi
Disaster Cat
You know, I think she knows that just like I knew that when I weighed over 180 pounds (at my height) but that didn't require me to hate myself, in fact, my life improved dramatically when I read a great book that talked about how heavy ladies tend to avoid doing anything "until they lose weight" like buying decent clothing or taking a dance class.
This tends to end up in serious depression and a lack of motivation you almost have to have been there to understand, and the simple act of finding a dress that fits and helps you look good at the office, or realizing some forms of dance look really great even when a woman is heavy (traditional Middle Eastern Dance, which is fully clothed and needs big hips baby!)
For decades manufacturers treated women to hideous orange Mumus with ghastly giant prints on them, or "outfits" made by Omar the Tent Maker as my also heavy Mother used to call them.
Home sewing helped, but some things don't look quite right and there are simply few things more soul-destroying when even someone like me who isn't that "into" normal clothing past the 16th century, who spends an entire afternoon in every major store in Denver to no jeans that fit - zip, nada, nothing.
That happened to me about 30 years ago, I still remember sobbing, "I don't care what size they call me but please, can I have a size that fits?" and we tried everything including the men's department.
My size 2 friend on the other hand, got about 6 pairs of jeans for 2 dollars each because no one else had bought them (she's under 5 feet and now lives in Scotland where she has reverse problems to me now living over here-nothing is small enough).
Meemur
Voice on the Prairie / FJB!
INTJ here. I had/have zero problems with a little weight. Most of my boyfriends were computer or law geeks who didn't get a lot of exercise and ate lots of pizza. On the other hand, I was/am fairly active, so being too heavy that he can barely walk was/is an issue.
In college, I dated a jock very briefly. He spent many hours in the gym and ate very expensive food, lots of steaks. I couldn't afford him!
[An aside, he's been through at least three wives and has children with two of them since then. He's about 100 pounds overweight now.]
For me, it's not about looks. It's about health and good character.
Melodi
Disaster Cat
This is why groundbreaking medical research that has shown gut bacteria makes a huge difference in weight control and maintenance?
I'm not going to get into a serious argument here, but the latest and most cutting edge stuff in medicine is showing that science had no idea how important gut bacteria and the microbiome are when it comes to weight and also genetics both interplay with metabolism in all sorts of unexpected ways.
The science USED to be a simple Calories in- Calories out but that is no longer accepted as being true except in its more raw form - aka yes if you put people in a famine or concentration camp with no food they will lose weight.
But their GRANDCHILDREN may have extra fat-cells (per actual tests) and gain weight much faster than they did if the grandparents survive the starvation, live to reproduce and their kids go onto have grandchildren.
There is also now proven to be "the Thrifty Phenotype" (which I have, so do lots of people) which may have been caused partly by my Mother's actual starvation as a child - people with this metabolic system save food really-really-really well -great if your a peasant exposed to repeated famines, really not-so-good if your a modern person exposed to just good cooking, much less a massively super-processed shopping cart full of industrial garbage which is what most people eat - even when they think they are eating "healthy."
I said most, not most people here on the forum who home cook and know better.
Which again, none of this says individuals have no responsibility they do; but sadly it is also true that some people can barely "look at food" and gain weight very easily and others can be total slugs, pig out on whatever they want and not get fat. They may have other health issues from a poor diet but they are not likely to get fat, unless force-fed, because their bodies just process food better.
Finally, the whole Gut-Biom thing over the last six of seven years has really upended the teaching and understanding of human nutrition and it is still an on-going process, and there is growing evidence that HIGHLY Over-Processed foods and junk like HFCS seriously disrupts this bacteria, along with antibiotics (both those required for medical treatment but even more those used in animals especially in the USA - I mean overuse, not treating a disease).
This is why some people have lost dramatic amounts of weight after being given the gut bacteria of people who are naturally very thin (sometimes in ways best not read about while eating supper) although that only works if the person also changes to more nature and less heavily processed diet - otherwise, eventually those great new bacteria will also die off and be replaced with the nasty ones.
I really feel sorry for some of you as you age, because one day you may find yourself unable to exercise much or even be in total control of what you eat, and well, serious weight gain is possible...(so is extreme thinness).
I agree with the gut biome thing being uber important.
Also, thyroid health plays a part.
I suspect that the modern diet destroys thyroid function over time, as there are way too many younger women experiencing problems and needing medication.
Those who have gone carnivore report no longer needing that medicine, and I know the gut biome changes, as mine did.
I no longer either crave sugar processed foods, nor can I taste them.
To me, it's like eating cardboard.
And to answer your question Doc1,
My "first love" was a guy of Sicilian descent, who was considered a little "chubby."
He had a gut, even at 22.
But, it is what is in a man's head, and in his heart, that makes a woman want to experience...the rest of him. Not what he looks like.
Also, thyroid health plays a part.
I suspect that the modern diet destroys thyroid function over time, as there are way too many younger women experiencing problems and needing medication.
Those who have gone carnivore report no longer needing that medicine, and I know the gut biome changes, as mine did.
I no longer either crave sugar processed foods, nor can I taste them.
To me, it's like eating cardboard.
And to answer your question Doc1,
My "first love" was a guy of Sicilian descent, who was considered a little "chubby."
He had a gut, even at 22.
But, it is what is in a man's head, and in his heart, that makes a woman want to experience...the rest of him. Not what he looks like.
wvstuck
Only worry about what you can control!
I agree, you don't need a doctor to fix it, I'm saying you need a doctor to treat it when people ignore their own health. The cost of health care goes up with every person who refuses and needs meds and treatment for blood pressure, increased risk of cancer and diabetes. The only point I was making was that people refuse to lose weight and making them do it is not permissible. Nearly 33% of the people in this country are considered obese, another 32% are overweight... This is killing a lot more people than Covid (by gov't numbers) But talking about it is body shaming... go figure.
Seeker22
Has No Life - Lives on TB
As with everything else "they" tell me- I go do my own research. In my case, my Thyroid problems were genetic (passed from my Mom) and I have had up and down rollercoaster weight all my life. Size 12 up to size 16 and back down again. It is a PITA because I eat right and definitely get enough exercise. My weight gain is seasonal. Now that I know this, I eat less during those times and try to exercise more. It helps.
When I exercise a lot (garden, cut wood, finish Cabin, exercise and play with dogs, etc.) that extra muscle mass increases my metabolism and makes it easier to use all the calories. They don't hang around. I feel better when I am in fighting trim. I have a small supper and eat nothing past 6:00 PM. No raiding the fridge in the middle of the night.
To answer Doc1's question- I want a man who can keep up with me. If I am working, so is he. If I am in a firefight, I want someone who can keep up. I stopped worrying about what people looked like a long time ago. The issue with the article is that somebody let themselves go to hog fat, let the demon of gluttony in the front door, sat it down and gave it the keys to the house. And that person is now a celebrity trying to make me feel bad because I worked harder to look better (and be healthier) than she does. These people are stone crazy.
The other thing I found was the relationship Estrogen has with the female fat cell. We are all hard wired to reproduce. In times of famine (or what the body perceives as such, the body makes every single calorie count. What doesn't immediately get used gets stored as fat for food for the child you will carry. Men have a completely different system.
Hormones and Thyroid have their roles to play too, and there are countless articles online to show how all this works and fits together. Fasting kills bad gut bacteria. I just recently came off a nine day water fast.
My ideal is size 12-14. I love being able to go into a dress shop and try on something and it just falls and slides and slithers down my back and makes that soft little thunk sound when all the fabric falls in place. You look in the mirror and think all that work and sweat and fasting was worth it. It was.
When I exercise a lot (garden, cut wood, finish Cabin, exercise and play with dogs, etc.) that extra muscle mass increases my metabolism and makes it easier to use all the calories. They don't hang around. I feel better when I am in fighting trim. I have a small supper and eat nothing past 6:00 PM. No raiding the fridge in the middle of the night.
To answer Doc1's question- I want a man who can keep up with me. If I am working, so is he. If I am in a firefight, I want someone who can keep up. I stopped worrying about what people looked like a long time ago. The issue with the article is that somebody let themselves go to hog fat, let the demon of gluttony in the front door, sat it down and gave it the keys to the house. And that person is now a celebrity trying to make me feel bad because I worked harder to look better (and be healthier) than she does. These people are stone crazy.
The other thing I found was the relationship Estrogen has with the female fat cell. We are all hard wired to reproduce. In times of famine (or what the body perceives as such, the body makes every single calorie count. What doesn't immediately get used gets stored as fat for food for the child you will carry. Men have a completely different system.
Hormones and Thyroid have their roles to play too, and there are countless articles online to show how all this works and fits together. Fasting kills bad gut bacteria. I just recently came off a nine day water fast.
My ideal is size 12-14. I love being able to go into a dress shop and try on something and it just falls and slides and slithers down my back and makes that soft little thunk sound when all the fabric falls in place. You look in the mirror and think all that work and sweat and fasting was worth it. It was.
Ractivist
Pride comes before the fall.....Pride month ended.
I like small trim women, I like tall trim women, most importantly....I like nice hearted women.
personally, I’d take a woman with an extra twenty who was genuinely Nice.
eye candy is a matter of perspective.
I got one that fills the bills... Nicely
personally, I’d take a woman with an extra twenty who was genuinely Nice.
eye candy is a matter of perspective.
I got one that fills the bills... Nicely
Melodi
Disaster Cat
Oh to answer Doc's question: my first serious love, the man I nearly married had the nickname of "Gordito" Spanish for "little fat one" which was pretty close to my Dad's childhood nickname of "Tubby."
My ex (who ended up marrying the girl next door in his village and I eventually ended up with Nightwolf, I think we are all happier) but my ex wasn't as hugely obese as my Dad (and never got that big) but he had a big tummy I used to call "his pillow" (softer to rest my head on) and I thought he was dashingly handsome.
He could also perform folk dances and look as graceful as the wind (I watched him young countrywomen do this at a party once) and he had been in the military which probably helped keep his weight down somewhat and taught him to "move" which is something a lot of us folks genetically predisposition to carry extra weight don't always do naturally.
Decades ago, when science first started seriously studying weight - films were made of teenage girls in PE classes - one class was mostly normal-weight girls, the others were overweight to obese girls doing exactly the same exercises.
But when the films were slowed down frame by frame, the slimmer girls were making two to three movements to everyone the heavier girls were making - they looked like they were doing the same exercise and everyone thought they were doing the same exercises but the heavy girls just had a "general economy of movement."
That wasn't intentional, it was probably genetic and a really good thing if you are trying to get by and keeping your family alive in a cave in the deepest Winter during the Ice Age, but not so good if you are trying to intentionally exercise or stay a normal weight today.
My ex (who ended up marrying the girl next door in his village and I eventually ended up with Nightwolf, I think we are all happier) but my ex wasn't as hugely obese as my Dad (and never got that big) but he had a big tummy I used to call "his pillow" (softer to rest my head on) and I thought he was dashingly handsome.
He could also perform folk dances and look as graceful as the wind (I watched him young countrywomen do this at a party once) and he had been in the military which probably helped keep his weight down somewhat and taught him to "move" which is something a lot of us folks genetically predisposition to carry extra weight don't always do naturally.
Decades ago, when science first started seriously studying weight - films were made of teenage girls in PE classes - one class was mostly normal-weight girls, the others were overweight to obese girls doing exactly the same exercises.
But when the films were slowed down frame by frame, the slimmer girls were making two to three movements to everyone the heavier girls were making - they looked like they were doing the same exercise and everyone thought they were doing the same exercises but the heavy girls just had a "general economy of movement."
That wasn't intentional, it was probably genetic and a really good thing if you are trying to get by and keeping your family alive in a cave in the deepest Winter during the Ice Age, but not so good if you are trying to intentionally exercise or stay a normal weight today.
West
Senior
My first wife was so fat....
But I left her because she was ugly on the inside, abusive and a thief at heart. And a back stabbing bitch, absolutely a partner she was not. It's amazing how attitude is 100% life.
And looks are only skin (skinny) deep. It's what's on the inside that counts!
But I left her because she was ugly on the inside, abusive and a thief at heart. And a back stabbing bitch, absolutely a partner she was not. It's amazing how attitude is 100% life.
And looks are only skin (skinny) deep. It's what's on the inside that counts!
Seeker22
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Beauty is only skin deep, but that ugly goes right down to the bone.