CUCK LET’S DECLARE A PANDEMIC AMNESTY

somewherepress

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Um sure, lets all have a big group hug, and just forgive and forget lockdowns, vaccine mandates, all the injuries and deaths from the clot shots, and aholes who spit on us for not wearing masks...LOL


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LET’S DECLARE A PANDEMIC AMNESTY​

We need to forgive one another for what we did and said when we were in the dark about COVID.
By Emily Oster

Katie Martin / The Atlantic; Paolo Veronese; Getty
OCTOBER 31, 2022, 6 AM ET
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In April 2020, with nothing else to do, my family took an enormous number of hikes. We all wore cloth masks that I had made myself. We had a family hand signal, which the person in the front would use if someone was approaching on the trail and we needed to put on our masks. Once, when another child got too close to my then-4-year-old son on a bridge, he yelled at her “SOCIAL DISTANCING!”

These precautions were totally misguided. In April 2020, no one got the coronavirus from passing someone else hiking. Outdoor transmission was vanishingly rare. Our cloth masks made out of old bandanas wouldn’t have done anything, anyway. But the thing is: We didn’t know.


I have been reflecting on this lack of knowledge thanks to a class I’m co-teaching at Brown University on COVID. We’ve spent several lectures reliving the first year of the pandemic, discussing the many important choices we had to make under conditions of tremendous uncertainty.

Some of these choices turned out better than others. To take an example close to my own work, there is an emerging (if not universal) consensus that schools in the U.S. were closed for too long: The health risks of in-school spread were relatively low, whereas the costs to students’ well-being and educational progress were high. The latest figures on learning loss are alarming. But in spring and summer 2020, we had only glimmers of information. Reasonable people—people who cared about children and teachers—advocated on both sides of the reopening debate.

Derek Thompson: School closures were a failed policy

Another example: When the vaccines came out, we lacked definitive data on the relative efficacies of the Johnson & Johnson shot versus the mRNA options from Pfizer and Moderna. The mRNA vaccines have won out. But at the time, many people in public health were either neutral or expressed a J&J preference. This misstep wasn’t nefarious. It was the result of uncertainty.

Obviously some people intended to mislead and made wildly irresponsible claims. Remember when the public-health community had to spend a lot of time and resources urging Americans not to inject themselves with bleach? That was bad. Misinformation was, and remains, a huge problem. But most errors were made by people who were working in earnest for the good of society.


Given the amount of uncertainty, almost every position was taken on every topic. And on every topic, someone was eventually proved right, and someone else was proved wrong. In some instances, the right people were right for the wrong reasons. In other instances, they had a prescient understanding of the available information.

The people who got it right, for whatever reason, may want to gloat. Those who got it wrong, for whatever reason, may feel defensive and retrench into a position that doesn’t accord with the facts. All of this gloating and defensiveness continues to gobble up a lot of social energy and to drive the culture wars, especially on the internet. These discussions are heated, unpleasant and, ultimately, unproductive. In the face of so much uncertainty, getting something right had a hefty element of luck. And, similarly, getting something wrong wasn’t a moral failing. Treating pandemic choices as a scorecard on which some people racked up more points than others is preventing us from moving forward


We have to put these fights aside and declare a pandemic amnesty. We can leave out the willful purveyors of actual misinformation while forgiving the hard calls that people had no choice but to make with imperfect knowledge. Los Angeles County closed its beaches in summer 2020. Ex post facto, this makes no more sense than my family’s masked hiking trips. But we need to learn from our mistakes and then let them go. We need to forgive the attacks, too. Because I thought schools should reopen and argued that kids as a group were not at high risk, I was called a “teacher killer” and a “génocidaire.” It wasn’t pleasant, but feelings were high. And I certainly don’t need to dissect and rehash that time for the rest of my days.

Moving on is crucial now, because the pandemic created many problems that we still need to solve.

Student test scores have shown historic declines, more so in math than in reading, and more so for students who were disadvantaged at the start. We need to collect data, experiment, and invest. Is high-dosage tutoring more or less cost-effective than extended school years? Why have some states recovered faster than others? We should focus on questions like these, because answering them is how we will help our children recover.



Many people have neglected their health care over the past several years. Notably, routine vaccination rates for children (for measles, pertussis, etc.) are way down. Rather than debating the role that messaging about COVID vaccines had in this decline, we need to put all our energy into bringing these rates back up. Pediatricians and public-health officials will need to work together on community outreach, and politicians will need to consider school mandates.

The standard saying is that those who forget history are doomed to repeat it. But dwelling on the mistakes of history can lead to a repetitive doom loop as well. Let’s acknowledge that we made complicated choices in the face of deep uncertainty, and then try to work together to build back and move forward.
 
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seagull

Veteran Member
The WHO, CDC and FDA didn't make judgement mistakes. They willfully lied and misled millions of people around the world. They need to be brought to justice. There was serious deception involved. If one were to shoot another in the face and kill them, can say they are sorry, but that doesn't eliminate the need for justice to be handed down.
 

Meemur

Voice on the Prairie / FJB!
I won't forgive the agencies, but I will forgive individuals who apologize to me for things they said or did.

(I had fellow biker apologize to all of us for being rude about us not wearing a mask on the trails. I think we all forgave her. She really didn't know how small germs were compared to cloth).
 

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
Forgiving people who want to be forgiven is a direct law of God.

Some people may not even realize they need to be forgiven, and as such, won't ask. How many times a day are you sinning and don't even know it? You can't repent of what you don't know.

...the government agencies, though, no. I understand they too were "just doing their jobs," but the people at the top need to be forced out without pensions.
 

somewherepress

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I won't forgive the agencies, but I will forgive individuals who apologize to me for things they said or did.

(I had fellow biker apologize to all of us for being rude about us not wearing a mask on the trails. I think we all forgave her. She really didn't know how small germs were compared to cloth).
Lots of people were fooled by people they unwisely trusted--some of my friends who did and treated me badly have apologized and expressed regret for their behavior and decisions. I absolutely forgive them. The others--no.

Big Phama and the agencies and politicians and others who promoted the authoritarian measures and the poisonous injections--never. They need to held accountable to the full extend of the law
 
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TFergeson

Non Solum Simul Stare
I will also harken back to my earlier comments:

Again, I find it hard to have sympathy.

These people were part of the crowd that advocated I should lose my job due to my vax status. Or not be able to buy food due to my vax status. Or go to the doctor because of my vax status. Or that I should lose custody of my children because of my vax status. Or that I should go to a "quarantine" camp because of my vax status.

I will never, and we should never forget how hard they pushed and how close we came to that happening. Heck, in Australia and New Zealand it did happen. Just because they are now realizing that we were right and they were wrong does not mean we should forget, or forgive what they did and what they wanted to do.
 

raven

TB Fanatic
How people, who have been the offender,
attempt to reconcile with the ones they offended,
by saying they were justified,
without the components of the apology:
Five Elements Of An Apology​
  1. Expressing Regret. “I am sorry for……” Say what you're sorry for specifically. ...
  2. Accepting Responsibility. “I was wrong to ……..” Explain what offensive or hurtful action or speech you are accepting as your bad. ...
  3. Making Restitution. ...
  4. Genuinely Promising Change. ...
  5. Requesting Forgiveness.
 

Luddite

Veteran Member
Forgiveness&forgetfulness is easy from May or June 2020.

May or June 2021? NOPE.

Militant dip$hit$ are on a mental list. How or if that list is ever used is YTBD.

Just last week I ran into a girl with whom I graduated high school . In 15 minutes I found out all I needed to know about her since.

She had a stroke about a year ago so she can't walk too well.
Just last month she took her flu shot and her latest covid booster and "her nose hasn't stopped running since".

I just smiled and furrowed my brow nodding in acknowledgement. Trying my best to hide pity.

They don't deserve what they've been subjected to...
 
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rlm1966

Veteran Member
Sorry but this isn't something we just forgive and forget about. Many wanted me to lose my job and some wished even worse on me. If you want to talk about forgiveness first we must address consequences for those in positions of power that made these decisions and the MSM that pushed the fear and hate. Address those first and we can discuss forgiveness then. Until then please feel free to piss off as I have no use for you.
 

Hawke

Veteran Member
"But the thing is: We didn’t know."

WRONG. There was plenty of information out there to show that what we were being told, what we were forced to do, was completely ineffective and pointless. Yet so many people CHOSE to ignore that information, instead choosing to buy the .gov's BS hook, line, and sinker. Then, as more and more data came out, showing how wrong the CDC, FDA, etc. were, a great many people still chose, and continue to choose to this day, to put all their faith and trust in a group of charlatans, snake oil salesmen, criminals, and genocidal mass murderers.

They actively played a part in vilifying and flat out demonizing those who didn't toe the .gov's line. They made our lives hell. They threatened us, attacked us verbally and physically, they cost us our jobs, our livelihoods, in some cases our lives. Now they want forgiveness???

F' em.
 

Border Collie Dad

Flat Earther
Hell no!
Just today, I was threatened by a health care provider for not wearing a mask.
Need to see a podiatrist tomorrow and his office is in the Fast ER care.
They told me I need a mask or they won't let me in.
Fast ER requirement because I saw them in their other office and no mask is required.

About a year ago I cut my hand pretty badly and couldn't stop the bleeding stopped.
They wouldn't let me in because of the mask.

I have yet to wear a mask.
 

EMICT

Veteran Member
Big pharma, government agencies, healthcare systems and mass main stream media are directly responsible for what occurred to the weak minded herd. It wasn't an accident... but purposeful brainwashing utilizing all the tricks perfected over the years.

Forgiveness is optional, forgetting is not.
 

CTFIREBATTCHIEF

Veteran Member
We used to have a saying in Haz Mat training classes.

"if you don't know, don't go, because it might blow"

Translating it to what the author of the article in the Atlantic wrote, "Before you shut the world down, bankrupt people and screw with our children's learning, mental health and their very lives, HOW about you educate yourselves on vectors of transmission, fatality rates and effective personal protective equipment". This stuff wasn't Ebola and thanks to the Media, politicians with their own agenda's and so called "scientists" like the esteemed "spit" fauci. we were sold a bill of goods.

Amnesty my ass!! Sorry lady, that boat has left the dock.
 

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
Yeah... the Nazis running the concentration camps were "just doing their jobs". How'd that work out?

Again, the problem was more a matter of higher-ups than actual soldiery. If you want to blame every Hans and Fritz who guarded a gate at those camps, go ahead. I, meanwhile, prefer to put the blame where it belongs: on Hitler, with a side of Satan.
 

tnphil

Don't screw with an engineer
Again, the problem was more a matter of higher-ups than actual soldiery. If you want to blame every Hans and Fritz who guarded a gate at those camps, go ahead. I, meanwhile, prefer to put the blame where it belongs: on Hitler, with a side of Satan.
I don't disagree. But, the guys on trial in Nuremburg tried the "just following orders" defence. Most of course were "higher ups", but not all.
 

Hognutz

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Sorry but this isn't something we just forgive and forget about. Many wanted me to lose my job and some wished even worse on me. If you want to talk about forgiveness first we must address consequences for those in positions of power that made these decisions and the MSM that pushed the fear and hate. Address those first and we can discuss forgiveness then. Until then please feel free to piss off as I have no use for you.
Damn right!
 

Ractivist

Pride comes before the fall.....Pride month ended.
Motive matters. They expressly stated it was to usher in the great reset. They stated it was the perfect vector to achieve their devious goals.....goes with the invasion of the west, borders being with drawn by globalist actors. Deep state within the US selling our sovereignty.....TREASON.

That's what the foundation, and the motive is to all their actions.

They seem to forget, our founding papers matter. They matter to those who understand them, and how they point to our duty, as a Republic. If we can keep it, is the reality they seem to miss. But then again do they? White Christian Nationalist is a terrorist? No, he or she is truly the Patriot of the Papers. Not the woke agenda that makes words no longer mean what they did. This election steal, like the previous one, will further instill the hatred for the left and their attack on our freedom. Ultimate definition of USEFUL IDIOT.

False Flag incoming.
 

Old Gray Mare

TB Fanatic
Forgiving people who want to be forgiven is a direct law of God.

Some people may not even realize they need to be forgiven, and as such, won't ask. How many times a day are you sinning and don't even know it? You can't repent of what you don't know.

...the government agencies, though, no. I understand they too were "just doing their jobs," but the people at the top need to be forced out without pensions.
Our Lord said to forgive. Done. Nothing was said or implied about forgetting. Then there's those things called repentance penance....
 

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
Our Lord said to forgive. Done. Nothing was said or implied about forgetting. Then there's those things called repentance penance....

Well, it was, kind of. Psalm 103:12 suggests as much. God forgets our sin. So we have to as well.

As for repentance and penance, that's a tougher matter when applied to us. The prayer Jesus Christ taught us says "forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us." If we want our sins forgotten, we have to forget the sins of others.
 

DHR43

Since 2001
At the risk of being presumptuous, let me quote myself on what I wrote on this site on 04-26 2020:
"1) this is the biggest scam ever perpetuated on the human race, both the severity of the pathogen and the reaction to it,"
I knew that by September 2019, because that's why I took early retirement that month.

Not trying to one-up Dr. G, but anyone with a modicum of awareness and the ability to do even the barest amount of serious research would have know also very early on in the scam.
 

kyrsyan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I can't do blanket "let's hug and let it go". Nope. Too much was said. Too much was forced. Too much was threatened and there was too much abuse.
Those that didn't go nuts and maintained civility, well, I'm still friends with most of them. Those that didn't, well, they showed their stripes and I'm not likely to forget it. Even those who were civil revealed things that they may not have intended to reveal through their complaints and how they treated others.
There is no kumbaya for that level of damage.
 
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