von Koehler
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The trade-off to your scenario is a drastically reduced expected lifespan.
The trade-off to your scenario is a drastically reduced expected lifespan.
And they will fight it tooth and nail. And lose...
And the VA will make them go through hoops. For a very long time.And they will fight it tooth and nail. And lose...
*pResident Puddingcup, meanwhile, wants the book thrown at said soldiery.
Fair use cited so on and so forth.
Zerohedge
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Biden Pushing For Dishonourable Discharges, Court Martials For Troops Who Refuse Vaccines
Authored by Steve Watson via Summit News,
The Biden administration is pushing for dishonourable discharges and even court martialing for troops who disobey orders to get COVID vaccines.
GOP Representative Mark Green of Tennessee proposed an amendment this week to the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) that would prohibit “any discharge but honorable” for troops who refuse vaccines.
The White House responded with a statement noting “The Administration strongly opposes section 716,” reasoning that it would “detract from readiness and limit a commander’s options for enforcing good order and discipline when a Service member fails to obey a lawful order to receive a vaccination.”
The statement added “To enable a uniformed force to fight with discipline, commanders must have the ability to give orders and take appropriate disciplinary measures.”
Responding to the statement, Rep. Green said “I am appalled that the Biden Administration is trying to remove my amendment to the National Defense Authorization Act that prevents anything but an honorable discharge for service members who refuse to get the COVID-19 vaccine.”
Green added “This was a bipartisan amendment — every Democrat on the House Armed Services Committee agreed to it.”
“No American who raises their hand to serve our Nation should be punished for making a highly personal medical decision,” Green previously urged.
Another section of the bill, 720, proposes that troops who have previously had COVID-19 should be exempted from a vaccine mandate. The Biden administration also opposes it, claiming it creates “a new and overly broad exemption from the vaccination requirement for previous infection that would undermine the effectiveness of the requirement.”
The House is expected to vote on the NDAA early Thursday morning.
As we have previously noted, there has been significant resistance to vaccine mandates among military service members.
Tucker Carlson revealed Monday that a bizarre presentation was given to troops sardonically ridiculing vaccine mandates with links to satanism, as the military pushes mandates, even for elite navy SEALS who have had the virus and have natural immunity.
Well here's another consideration. IF our troops do take the Covid vaccine as they are BEING ORDERED TO DO and THEN HAVE a negative reaction and as a result are then UNFIT for duty, guess what? They will be MEDICALLY DISCHARGED and will receive FREE medical care and FULL VA benefits for their military acquired disability for the rest of their lives.
If you are given a "lawful order" and something bad happens that results in a medical disability that event is considered "in the line of duty" and "service connected. That is the "Golden Ticket".
In addition once a disability is rated total and permanent due to a service-connected disability their spouse and children become eligible for VA Chapter 35 benefits.
Services Include:
- Participants include a dependent child between the ages of 14 to 31 and a spouse, or surviving spouse, who qualifies for the benefit
Ok, that's not going to make servicemen and women happy if they do have a negative reaction to the vaccine, but considering that in the civilian world there is NO COVERAGE for bad Covid Vaccine reactions, except MAYBE trying to apply for Social Security and MAYBE Medicaid/care. REMEMBER that the pharmaceutical companies have been EXEMPTED from lawsuits. Even if the drug reaction is serious and permanent....or if it results in death. Civilians are basically screwed.
- Special Assistance
- Special Restorative Training (SRT)
- Specialized Vocational Training (SVT)
- Educational Benefits (think GI Bill for dependents)
At least veterans will be covered both on active duty and afterwards. This whole thing is going to COST THE GOVERNMENT and SHIP TON OF MONEY for a very long - long - long time! The government better be hoping that our military people don't have adverse reactions.
Sorry....but that "six months....upgrade to honorable" is an old wives tale. That simply does not happen. "There are no Automatic Upgrades". Not unless there's been a MAJOR change in the rules and regulations in recent years. In the 80's my duty station in the Chicago area hosted the military Discharge Review Board. I asked several members who actually sat on the board how many discharges ever got upgraded? The answer was "Very few. Less than ONE PERCENT of all other than Honorable Discharges were ever upgraded."
that all looks good on paper.
i reality, that is not the norm.
just like what you stated about this:
i am not ragging on you. not at all! it just isn't really what happens. i think you know that.
This event (Covid) is far too high profile to be swept under the carpet. There is going to be too much medical evidence to ignore and it's going to be coming from ALL OVER THE WORLD!! In addition there are several great veteran organizations: VFW, DAV, American Legion that will lead fight for veterans benefits and you can BET that there will be a "grunch" of law firms jumping into the fray.
No, there is just no way for the government to possibly ignore this.
I'm not advocating getting or refusing the "jab" for military personnel. However there are several options that need to be considered. The problem is that there are just too many variables, unknowns....and far too much fog on this issue.
This event (Covid) is far too high profile to be swept under the carpet. There is going to be too much medical evidence to ignore and it's going to be coming from ALL OVER THE WORLD!! In addition there are several great veteran organizations: VFW, DAV, American Legion that will lead fight for veterans benefits and you can BET that there will be a "grunch" of law firms jumping into the fray.
No, there is just no way for the government to possibly ignore this.
I'm not advocating getting or refusing the "jab" for military personnel. However there are several options that need to be considered. The problem is that there are just too many variables, unknowns....and far too much fog on this issue.
So what you are saying that the new regs are all feel good optics and the reality is that nothing will really change.
But the other aspect you are saying is that these boards will get lit up with pressure if people really try to push on upgrading the discharge status...
Heck, how long did it take to address Agent Orange? The same actors are still sequestering the info on Gulf War Symdron.
i'll be honest, i'm not really sure what you just said. lol
which regs are feel good optics?
and the other thing.....not sure what you mean.
This was in response to post #47. Basically you said the new regs will amount to nothing other than good optics to make people feel good that they have another option now after getting booted out.
The issue with boards is that they tend to feel pressured when they start getting swarmed with paperwork and people and especially swarmed with people in their private lives off the clock.
That is not true.Sorry....but that "six months....upgrade to honorable" is an old wives tale. That simply does not happen. "There are no Automatic Upgrades". Not unless there's been a MAJOR change in the rules and regulations in recent years. In the 80's my duty station in the Chicago area hosted the military Discharge Review Board. I asked several members who actually sat on the board how many discharges ever got upgraded? The answer was "Very few. Less than ONE PERCENT of all other than Honorable Discharges were ever upgraded." Less than one percent. Basically what you got.....is what you get, and nothing is automatic.
Back then we had vets from just after WWI still trying to change their discharges. They came back year after year trying. The board members told me straight up that the veterans had to provide OVERWHELMING evidence of a carriage of misjustice on the military's part. We had a lot of Vietnam vets that tried and tried and tried, but failed year after year.
I was also a VA Education certifying officer for three college campases for nearly ten years. While there are some VA benefits available for "General under honorable conditions and General Discharges", GI Bill education benefits are ONLY available for Vets of an Honorable Discharge status.
For other veteran benefits, any discharge below General gets diddly squat.....ZIP!
A veteran can receive General under honorable and General discharges from NJP - Non-Judicial Punishment results, but Dishonorable Discharges have to be given out by Courts Martial proceedings. A DD is pretty much equivalent to a civilian Felony conviction and all that entails. Which is pretty much screwed, blue and tattooed. Forget voting, firearm ownership, jobs, bank loans, any job related to or connected in any way with the government, etc., etc., etc. Work for a company that has government contracts....bye-bye! The DD vet goes or the company loses the contract. School loans - nope. Home loans - nope. Anything in anyway connected to the government or backed by the government- nope.
They will just label those that refuse extremest and white supremacists
So which race are you in the multi racial white supremacists group?And?? I'm already labeled as such so what's the difference?
So which race are you in the multi racial white supremacists group?
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Blue dress?I got yer discharge right here.