FASCISM Law Signed by DeSantis Will Allow for Forced Vaccinations (UPDATE post #97. Changed)

[Buick Electra]

It's right there in the legislation in BLACK AND WHITE. And just because your boy DeSantis might not abuse the power, who's to say what his successors will do with it? BAD LEGISLATION, and HE signed it into law!

Yes but the thread is about De Santis abusing his power, which he's not. We all know TPTB sic the media on De Santis every chance they get. That makes this story by ncrenegade FALSE!

Thank you to Terry K for doing due diligence and Thinwater for not buying into the fear porn.

Geez people! Use your heads. I don't know who is a bigger threat to TPTB....De Santis or Trump? OF COURSE the FSM will go after them.

 

[Sicario]

Yes but the thread is about De Santis abusing his power, which he's not. We all know TPTB sic the media on De Santis every chance they get. That makes this story by ncrenegade FALSE!

Thank you to Terry K for doing due diligence and Thinwater for not buying into the fear porn. Geez people! Use your heads. I don't know who is a bigger threat to TPTB....De Santis or Trump? OF COURSE the FSM will go after them.

NO, this thread IS NOT about DeSantis abusing his power. It's about him enacting BAD legislation that is subject to abuse! GAWD!

 

[Sicario]

DeSantis should have vetoed this bill until they removed the phrase, “...if there is no practical method to isolate or quarantine the individual, the State Health Officer may use ANY MEANS NECESSARY to vaccinate or treat the individual.”

There is NO WAY IN HELL that they can force unproven "vaccines" on ANYBODY!

 

[The Cub]

When the Supreme Court Upheld a Compulsory Vaccination Law

Infectious disease, public health, and the Constitution

Damon Root |

4.30.2020

Assume that a COVID-19 vaccine is invented tomorrow and soon becomes widely available. Most Americans will undoubtedly line up eagerly for a dose, but a small number may refuse. Do state governments have the authority to compel such refusers to get vaccinated on threat of punishment?

In Jacobson v. Massachusetts (1905), the U.S. Supreme Court confronted a state law that allowed local governments to require smallpox vaccinations when the local health authorities deemed them necessary. Cambridge resident Henning Jacobson balked at his city's vaccination requirement and was fined $5. He contested that penalty and took his case all the way up to the highest court in the land.

What was Jacobson's legal argument? In the words of the Court, Jacobson "insists that his liberty is invaded when the State subjects him to fine or imprisonment for neglecting or refusing to submit to vaccination; that a compulsory vaccination law is unreasonable, arbitrary and oppressive, and, therefore, hostile to the inherent right of every freeman to care for his own body and health in such way as to him seems best."

The Supreme Court rejected that argument. The 7–2 majority opinion, written by Justice John Marshall Harlan, agreed that the "power of a local community to protect itself against an epidemic threatening the safety of all might be exercised in particular circumstances and in reference to particular persons in such an arbitrary, unreasonable manner, or might go so far beyond what was reasonably required for the safety of the public, as to authorize or compel the courts to interfere for the protection of such persons." But this case, he concluded, did not rise to that standard. The law was ruled to be a reasonable regulation.

"Whatever may be thought of the expediency of this statute, it cannot be affirmed to be, beyond question, in palpable conflict with the Constitution," Harlan held. "Nor, in view of the methods employed to stamp out the disease of smallpox, can anyone confidently assert that the means prescribed by the State to that end has no real or substantial relation to the protection of the public health and the public safety."

It would be one thing if Jacobson's health or medical history put him at risk of severe injury or death from the vaccine. To force such an individual to be vaccinated "would be cruel and inhuman in the last degree," Harlan acknowledged. But Jacobson "was himself in perfect health and a fit subject of vaccination." The requirement was therefore constitutional as applied to him.

Justices David Brewer and Rufus Peckham dissented. They presumably believed that Jacobson's liberty was violated by the compulsory vaccination law, but they kept their reasoning to themselves: They did not write an opinion.

When the Supreme Court Upheld a Compulsory Vaccination Law




Mandatory Injections of the Frankenstein 'Vaccines' are coming.....and I and mine will be checking out in advance...

https://www.timebomb2000.com/xf/index.php?threads/on-mandatory-vaccinations-in-the-usa.574776/

 

[ivantherussian03]

Doom

 

[Oscar Wilde]

... I dohn like it, not one little bit.

O.W.

 

[Looks Harmless]

Because it's a law does not make it moral or just. This is bad legislation and once again denies self-ownership and individuals freedom to choose on the whim of a bureaucrat. /s

 

[L.A.B.]

Boy... would ya look at that. The heartbeat of the GOP has mandated from on high the state CAN legally give you the cootie stab and there is nothing you can do about it.

F’ em.

F’em all!

Who just bought our birth certificates & death warrants?

 

[Heliobas Disciple]

I am not buying it.
De Santis has blocked the feds at every level of this plandemmic and won all of the legal battles with them and the CDC. He has been 100% consistent in protecting us from the fed/gov and the CDC including banning mask requirements, vaccine passports, kept FL open ect...
States all have the power this story is trying to link to COVID vaccines. This is a normal power to be used when someone has some really bad crap and wants to spread it around.

It's still a power that the States have and if the State Health Officer one day deems COVID "some really bad crap" - he can enforce vaccinations.

This legislative session was an opportunity to erase this law from the books and they didn't take advantage of that.

All is well and good while DeSantis is governor. He appointed the State Health Officer and if he doesn't like what he's going to do, arguably he can remove him. But what happens if the next governor is a leftist lib? And that leftist lib governor appoints a State Health Officer who deems Covid a "communicable disease that has significant morbidity or mortality and presents a severe danger to public health" (that is the definition in the statute that gives the State Health Officer this power). Which I'm sure other states have already declared. Then what? DeSantis won't be governor forever. This falls on his shoulders, he should have had that part of the statute removed or reworded before he signed and he didn't. I'm really disappointed in him at the moment.

And this was passed on May 3 2021 - see: https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2021/2006

Link to pdf of statute: http://laws.flrules.org/2021/8

Relevant portion of the now enacted Statute.





HD

 

[Publius]

Lately He was doing so well and now this.

 

[Sicario]

There are no true champions of liberty left in our "government." Probably hasn't been for a long time now.

 

[night driver]

That came from TB.
There have been incidences (not specific to FL) where the person, who has been diagnosed with TB, which was ACTIVE, refused treatment. Individual was FORCED into a hospital and FORCE treated with the standard TB treatment. For the full 6 months. County medical officer forced this. Patient tried to bail from the hospital but was returned. Patient went to court and LOST because he was a "Public Hazard" with his TB. Patient's primary bitch was the treatment has an ANTABUSE response, making the patient unable to drink alcohol for 6 months or duration of treatment.

And as a generation survivor of TB, AND as a hospital employee who has had to be tested monthly for a 3 month stretch of ridiculously bad luck with patients, I have absolutely NO issue with this.
FORTUNATELY the 3 different patients were not positive for any of the 4 or 5 versions of TB now extant who are near impossible to treat, and fortunately I didn't come up positive but still.

I tested positive via BOTH TINE AND Mantoux tests until I was 24. Due to my grandfather who died from TB.

ED2ADD: I encourage y'all to find out the WHY on some of the Draconian Shit in the Health laws. Seriously. there are things in these laws that are NASTY, and HAVE BEEN LITIGATED but have reasons. there are diseases out there STILL that one does NOT dick around with. for SERIOUS reasons.

 

[Masterchief117]

People hanging their hopes on a fallible politician. What do you expect? How many of them have failed or disappointed us by their decisions? Answer: all of them. Yes, many have had good runs and done good things but yet they make mistakes and sometimes do things that we don't agree with. Its part of being human. Its no surprise and we should just expect such things.

 

[Samuel Adams]

This is precisely why the original American jury was given power to nullify “laws”, as well as determine the facts of a given case.

The Supreme Court has nothing on a jury comprised of American sovereigns.....especially knowledgeable, moral and masculine American sovereigns.......especially if they are and remain ever-armed.

Now.....where to find such......

 

[et2]

Ok. I take back what I said about liking this guy.

Or me, considering Florida my retirement destination. Not if this happens

 

[Squib]

That came from TB.
There have been incidences (not specific to FL) where the person, who has been diagnosed with TB, which was ACTIVE, refused treatment. Individual was FORCED into a hospital and FORCE treated with the standard TB treatment. For the full 6 months. County medical officer forced this. Patient tried to bail from the hospital but was returned. Patient went to court and LOST because he was a "Public Hazard" with his TB. Patient's primary bitch was the treatment has an ANTABUSE response, making the patient unable to drink alcohol for 6 months or duration of treatment.

And as a generation survivor of TB, AND as a hospital employee who has had to be tested monthly for a 3 month stretch of ridiculously bad luck with patients, I have absolutely NO issue with this.
FORTUNATELY the 3 different patients were not positive for any of the 4 or 5 versions of TB now extant who are near impossible to treat, and fortunately I didn't come up positive but still.

I tested positive via BOTH TINE AND Mantoux tests until I was 24. Due to my grandfather who died from TB.

ED2ADD: I encourage y'all to find out the WHY on some of the Draconian Shit in the Health laws. Seriously. there are things in these laws that are NASTY, and HAVE BEEN LITIGATED but have reasons. there are diseases out there STILL that one does NOT dick around with. for SERIOUS reasons.

Yep. Worked as a Paramedic and a Deputy for years on a big city area…I have no problem with these laws…simply the government that wants to use those laws to force their gene therapy on people.

Like others have said, if they start mandatory, forced gene therapy, then a lot of people are going to start mandatory, forced 45 ACP therapy to offending medical terrorists.

 

[TammyinWI]

If this is true it is one of the biggest bait and switches I have seen, to date. If it is true, it should be defeated in court.

 

[jed turtle]

That came from TB.
There have been incidences (not specific to FL) where the person, who has been diagnosed with TB, which was ACTIVE, refused treatment. Individual was FORCED into a hospital and FORCE treated with the standard TB treatment. For the full 6 months. County medical officer forced this. Patient tried to bail from the hospital but was returned. Patient went to court and LOST because he was a "Public Hazard" with his TB. Patient's primary bitch was the treatment has an ANTABUSE response, making the patient unable to drink alcohol for 6 months or duration of treatment.

And as a generation survivor of TB, AND as a hospital employee who has had to be tested monthly for a 3 month stretch of ridiculously bad luck with patients, I have absolutely NO issue with this.
FORTUNATELY the 3 different patients were not positive for any of the 4 or 5 versions of TB now extant who are near impossible to treat, and fortunately I didn't come up positive but still.

I tested positive via BOTH TINE AND Mantoux tests until I was 24. Due to my grandfather who died from TB.

ED2ADD: I encourage y'all to find out the WHY on some of the Draconian Shit in the Health laws. Seriously. there are things in these laws that are NASTY, and HAVE BEEN LITIGATED but have reasons. there are diseases out there STILL that one does NOT dick around with. for SERIOUS reasons.

In a sane America, this was a reasonable response to certain devastating diseases. This ain’t a sane country anymore. The inmates are running the asylum.

otoh, one of the few possible situations I have been able to imagine that might prevent the “Golden Horde” from overrunning my Homestead when they pull the plug on the cities, is if there is a sudden dump of 15’ of snow or a nation-wide quarantine is declared because of something like smallpox or Ebola breaking out. Fear of deadly contagious diseases with an above 30% death rate and no ready Cure has a powerful effect on the mind of the rational person.

 

[Sicario]

Yep. Worked as a Paramedic and a Deputy for years on a big city area…I have no problem with these laws…simply the government that wants to use those laws to force their gene therapy on people.

So you trust the government to be truthful as to the contents or purpose of their "vaccines" at this point? I sure as hell don't!

 

[Wiley]

That didn't take long for him to revert back into politician mode.

 

[Wiley]

It's right there in the legislation in BLACK AND WHITE. And just because your boy DeSantis might not abuse the power, who's to say what his successors will do with it? BAD LEGISLATION, and HE signed it into law!

Exactly. And it's the exact same thing that happened when Bush Jr. signed the damned Patriot Act that allowed spying on citizens and Obammy abused the hell out of it.

NEVER trust a politician to NOT abuse a law and use it against citizens.

 

[Hognutz]

 

[naegling62]

Delete.

 

[Buick Electra]

Here's a few discussions/comments on this bill over at CTH....

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[Ractivist]

People hanging their hopes on a fallible politician. What do you expect? How many of them have failed or disappointed us by their decisions? Answer: all of them. Yes, many have had good runs and done good things but yet they make mistakes and sometimes do things that we don't agree with. Its part of being human. Its no surprise and we should just expect such things.

Propaganda, nine truths and a lie.........when it matters most. TreyGowdy.......if Flynn does not produce this time, four weeks, he’s history, and another nine truths n a lie, as time slips away....slip slipping away......

 

[TerryK]

This is a thinly veiled attack on DeSantis by a few Trump supporters because he scored higher than Trump in a recent Republican party straw poll.
These laws allowing the state health officer to take action against any individual that represents a deadly health threat to the population, have been on the books in almost every single state for decades.
Those of you bitching about it need to go look up the laws in your own state. You'll be surprised.

As ND said, nowadays the enforcement of these laws is commonly used to confine or medicate individuals with drug resistant TB who don't want to isolate themselves and who don't reliably take their medication. It happens a lot more frequently than most of you would think.
It was a different story after 9-11;
After 9-11 the gov was really really afraid of a bioterrorism attack. We had a department of health bioterrorism response team and I even got vaccinated again for smallpox again. We even ran anthrax response drills in some rural counties here with local volunteer actors, as we attempted to medicate and isolate several hundred people from an area as efficiently as possible.
Some of the actors were coached to feign illness or seizures or resistance to instructions to see how we handled it.

Some of you need to somehow get a good look at some of the COOP plans all agencies and levels of the gov have if indeed the s does htf.
It isn't like the doomer fiction we all like to read.

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On another issue:
Oh and for all you so worried about getting the "jab", Israel just announced it is getting ready to conduct trials on an oral covid vaccine pill. It has already shown to work well on rats and will be starting human trials primarily as a booster for those already vaccinated. I wonder if it's like the old sugar cube polio vaccine I got as a kid?

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PPS in response to Profit of Dooms post earlier.
An yet another front: If you want to see how a real fascist government acts when it comes to covid vaccine, look no further than the Philippines.
Crazy Duerte has threatened to lock up those who refuse to get the vaccine. If they still refuse he threatens to have them injected with "ivermectin for pigs". (Maybe a veiled threat to the moslems in PI) Obviously no one has told him that that is the prophylaxis of choice for those who don't want the vaccine.

 

[jed turtle]

Perhaps a limit could be put on such a law by requiring that a death rate of more than 2% (or whatever seems appropriate) be used to define “dangerous.”.

i would also limit quarantines to being home-based as much as possible.

otherwise, “my body my choice” ...

 

[billet]

Me too???? Why? For real?

Same here! Another "wolf in sheep's clothing"!

 

[Sicario]

Perhaps a limit could be put on such a law by requiring that a death rate of more than 2% (or whatever seems appropriate) be used to define “dangerous.”

The only problem with this is that the evil bastards are masters of manipulation when it come to data/statistics. They can no longer be trusted!

 

[jed turtle]

The only problem with this is that the evil bastards are masters of manipulation when it come to data/statistics. They can no longer be trusted!

Yes, well, hell we cannot even trust lobbyists much less voting machines.

 

[Heliobas Disciple]

No one is arguing that DeSantis created this provision - it's been the law on the books for a long time in many states and from the Supreme Court itself.

But DeSantis had an opportunity to change it and he didn't act on that. There are plenty of laws that become outdated and they are repealed or modified to keep up with the times - google some of the more ridiculous ones. But some of them - relating to sexual 'perversions' (old laws on sodomy, homosexuality, adultery, mixed races, etc) or related to racism or to Blue laws, etc - when they come around again are removed or modified. This was a perfect opportunity for DeSantis to ask the mostly republican legislature to look at that provision and tighten it up so that it can't be abused in the future by a leftist liberal leaning governor. And apparently he didn't or they didn't listen to him - we don't know. So I don't know if this is all on DeSantis, maybe he did ask and was rebuffed (?). We do know he signed the bill delivered and we also know it contained the 'no vaccine passport' provision he wanted so he may have considered it a win. Pick your battles, as they say. Why fight over a provision that is also federal law and already been decided by the Supreme Court. But I'm still disappointed in him not making an issue over it, and not trying to get it changed so that you'd need certain thresholds met that are much more stringent than the language as it currently stands.

HD

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[Ping Jockey]

This is a thinly veiled attack on DeSantis by a few Trump supporters because he scored higher than Trump in a recent Republican party straw poll.
These laws allowing the state health officer to take action against any individual that represents a deadly health threat to the population, have been on the books in almost every single state for decades.
Those of you bitching about it need to go look up the laws in your own state. You'll be surprised.

As ND said, nowadays the enforcement of these laws is commonly used to confine or medicate individuals with drug resistant TB who don't want to isolate themselves and who don't reliably take their medication. It happens a lot more frequently than most of you would think.
It was a different story after 9-11;
After 9-11 the gov was really really afraid of a bioterrorism attack. We had a department of health bioterrorism response team and I even got vaccinated again for smallpox again. We even ran anthrax response drills in some rural counties here with local volunteer actors, as we attempted to medicate and isolate several hundred people from an area as efficiently as possible.
Some of the actors were coached to feign illness or seizures or resistance to instructions to see how we handled it.

Some of you need to somehow get a good look at some of the COOP plans all agencies and levels of the gov have if indeed the s does htf.
It isn't like the doomer fiction we all like to read.

-------------------------------
On another issue:
Oh and for all you so worried about getting the "jab", Israel just announced it is getting ready to conduct trials on an oral covid vaccine pill. It has already shown to work well on rats and will be starting human trials primarily as a booster for those already vaccinated. I wonder if it's like the old sugar cube polio vaccine I got as a kid?

==========================
PPS
An yet another front: If you want to see how a real fascist government acts when it comes to covid vaccine, look no further than the Philippines.
Crazy Duerte has threatened to lock up those who refuse to get the vaccine. If they still refuse he threatens to have them injected with "ivermectin for pigs". (Maybe a veiled threat to the moslems in PI) Obviously no one has told him that that is the prophylaxis of choice for those who don't want the vaccine.

On another issue: you’re being a wee bit of a presumptuous ass mate reference those of us who have chosen not to take the bloody cootie jab. I could care less if Israel came up with an anally inserted pod for slow release which also worked well on rats, cats, moose, and an occasional aardvark.

We question the reasons why a vaccine is an absolute for an alleged viral infection with an 99.5% survival rate. We question why the gubmint, in all its forms, are trying to shove a shot down our gullets and do it with bribes, threats, and now laws that are not only already on the books but have been modified to conform to our current so-called medical emergency that has been bungled all to hell by everyone from Trumpkus on down the line.

On the other hand: we question why alleged friends, family, acquaintances, work mates, and those denizens occupying the tron world take it upon themselves to be the arbiter of what we should and should not think and belittle or become condescending to those of us who do not conform to group think.

My normal rebuttal would seem appropriate: KMA

~~~~~%%%%%€€€€€£££+++*=.

PSSSPPSS...

Who gives two ripping squats about what Duerte does in the PI or any other country in the world, screw em till their nose bleeds. If most folks would focus their time and efforts on this country and bugger the rest of the world, including Israel, we’d be much better off. But instead we’ve got to muck about other country’s internal affairs whilst folks here at home say, “Well, at least we’re not as bad as so-and-so country” or “That ol dictator is going to make everybody take the jab. See how good you got it!!”

 

[Border Collie Dad]

De Santis is a politician.
One doesn't have a lot of success without the right kind of backers.

I love how people think that our "representatives" actually represent us and are on our side

 

[Catnip]

I am not buying it.

De Santis has blocked the feds at every level of this plandemmic and won all of the legal battles with them and the CDC. He has been 100% consistent in protecting us from the fed/gov and the CDC including banning mask requirements, vaccine passports, kept FL open ect...

States all have the power this story is trying to link to COVID vaccines. This is a normal power to be used when someone has some really bad crap and wants to spread it around.

Unfortunately, the blue states will not abide by what goes against their communist agenda -- until those governors begin to be arrested as traitors to the Constitution.

 

[Squib]

So you trust the government to be truthful as to the contents or purpose of their "vaccines" at this point? I sure as hell don't!

No, I didn’t say that…but there have always been laws that protect society…that’s what they’re there for…

My beef, as I wrote, was with government abuse of them or any law.

Example. When a medical community is forced to keep a patients medical status such as HIV positive, secret from the public…and that or those flaming gay mentally ill highly contagious people go around intentionally infecting innocent people, tainting the blood supply and are guilty of murder…well then, I’d bet most of us here would want that person incarcerated.

Typhoid Mary is responsible for killing innocent people and spreading Typhoid fever to dozens of people. She wouldn’t voluntarily limit contact with people, but kept infecting them…they finally put her in isolation for 30 years where she died.

Its either the first or the second scenario…all others will lead to untold deaths…which scenario would you want?

Look, I value my freedom as much as anyone, but the answer isn’t to let murderers roam around free, but to keep the Gov from abusing decent laws…but, then again, thats a problem always!

p.s. As a paramedic, I routinely had HIV positive people try to bite and infect me, spit on me, cough, etc. again, what would you do with such people? I say isolation…because it’s better than me shooting their sorry arse.

 

[Sicario]

No, I didn’t say that…but there have always been laws that protect society…that’s what they’re there for…
My beef, as I wrote, was with government abuse of them or any law.

At this juncture they have demonstrated to my satisfaction that we are no longer a nation of laws, so every "law" they try to pass or enforce is highly suspect and is likely to be enforced only as a political weapon.

Example. When a medical community is forced to keep a patients medical status such as HIV positive, secret from the public…and that or those flaming gay mentally ill highly contagious people go around intentionally infecting innocent people, tainting the blood supply and are guilty of murder…well then, I’d bet most of us here would want that person incarcerated. Typhoid Mary is responsible for killing innocent people and spreading Typhoid fever to dozens of people. She wouldn’t voluntarily limit contact with people, but kept infecting them…they finally put her in isolation for 30 years where she died. Its either the first or the second scenario…all others will lead to untold deaths…which scenario would you want?

I WANT TO BE LEFT THE F*CK ALONE! If I'm sick or if there's a widespread health threat, I'm self-quarantining and will accept the responsibility and consequences for MY own actions. I don't want or need their guidance or assistance. Period.

Look, I value my freedom as much as anyone, but the answer isn’t to let murderers roam around free, but to keep the Gov from abusing decent laws…but, then again, thats a problem always!

The problem I have is who gets to define the term "murderers?" I'm pretty sure the COVID nazis would call me a murderer since I didn't wear a mask during the scamdemic.

p.s. As a paramedic, I routinely had HIV positive people try to bite and infect me, spit on me, cough, etc. again, what would you do with such people?

I'll refrain from answering your last question in a public forum.

 

[Squib]

At this juncture they have demonstrated to my satisfaction that we are no longer a nation of laws, so every "law" they try to pass or enforce is highly suspect and is likely to be enforced only as a political weapon.

I WANT TO BE LEFT THE F*CK ALONE! If I'm sick or if there's a widespread health threat, I'm self-quarantining and will accept the responsibility and consequences for MY own actions. I don't want or need their guidance or assistance. Period.

The problem I have is who gets to define the term "murderers?" I'm pretty sure the COVID nazis would call me a murderer since I didn't wear a mask during the scamdemic.

I'll refrain from answering your last question in a public forum.

I hear you, brother. I was just saying that’s why I said I understand why such laws are in place…that’s why any laws are in place, for governments to protect people…secure freedoms and rights.

But yeah, I also agree it’s an illegitimate government right now…and has been for a long time.

 

[PghPanther]

This is precisely why the original American jury was given power to nullify “laws”, as well as determine the facts of a given case.

The Supreme Court has nothing on a jury comprised of American sovereigns.....especially knowledgeable, moral and masculine American sovereigns.......especially if they are and remain ever-armed.

Now.....where to find such......

We now live a country where 80% of respondents K-12 think Samuel Adams is a beer and not a founding father...........and that the 4th of July is a celebration about the invention of fireworks.......not our country's independence.........

.......going to be hard to find them out of future generations that's for sure..........

 

[TerryK]

"Ping Jockey, post: 8546490,
On another issue: you’re being a wee bit of a presumptuous ass mate reference those of us who have chosen not to take the bloody cootie jab. I could care less if Israel came up with an anally inserted pod for slow release which also worked well on rats, cats, moose, and an occasional aardvark.

Sorry that you have a reading comprehension problem. I guess even the dotted lines separating parts of my post confused you. Maybe you had one too many pings "ass mate".
It's a separate issue only related via your extreme paranoia.
The Israeli med is an oral medication but I guess I can understand your desire for a suppository. Whatever floats your boat "ass mate".

We question the reasons why a vaccine is an absolute for an alleged viral infection with an 99.5% survival rate. We question why the gubmint, in all its forms, are trying to shove a shot down our gullets and do it with bribes, threats, and now laws that are not only already on the books but have been modified to conform to our current so-called medical emergency that has been bungled all to hell by everyone from Trumpkus on down the line.

Again your paranoia is showing. The law adds nothing to what is already on the books.
You too much Covid on the brain Danielson.
One final time. Read real slow. No one is going to hold you down to give you Covid vaccine. The law is already there and is being regularly used for assholes who see nothing wrong with infecting the community with highly drug resistant TB.
It was also dusted off and reviewed after 9-11 for use in case of a small pox attack, and was again reviewed in case of future pandemics. Or perhaps you think Covid 19 was just an accident and there will never be another "some thing much worse" released on the world.

On the other hand: we question why alleged friends, family, acquaintances, work mates, and those denizens occupying the tron world take it upon themselves to be the arbiter of what we should and should not think and belittle or become condescending to those of us who do not conform to group think.

Aww I'm so sorry your friends, family and work mates are persecuting you. We both know that YOU are the only one entitled to have an opinion, right? /sarc
Untwist your panties a little bit and stop feeling persecuted and sorry for your self just because a lot of people recommend others get the shot. Why are they not allowed to recommend this if you and your compadres can loudly criticize and belittle and recommend that nobody get the vaccine?
Both opinions are valid. Last I heard there was still a little freedom of speech in this country and if you have the right to foam at the mouth about the vaccine, others have the right to recommend it.
YOUR attempt at Cancel policy will not work.

You must love to feel persecuted, since nobody has tied you down or even threatened to make you take the vaccine.
This is a form of mental illness and is a manifestation of your paranoia. Someone gets all worked up about something, in this case the covid vaccine, and then thinks they are being persecuted and threatened.
Neither of these things have happened. YOU are not being persecuted, and NO ONE has tried to force you to take the vaccine. So calm the fu*k down.
If it ever comes to pass that you find yourself strapped face down on a gurney with an Israeli Covid Suppository being stuffed up your ass, , , well then I'll admit you paranoia was justified. Until then, because you enjoy it so much, I guess you'll just continue to feel unjustly persecuted and paranoid.




PSSSPPSS...
Who gives two ripping squats about what Duerte does in the PI or any other country in the world, screw em till their nose bleeds. If most folks would focus their time and efforts on this country and bugger the rest of the world, including Israel, we’d be much better off. But instead we’ve got to muck about other country’s internal affairs whilst folks here at home say, “Well, at least we’re not as bad as so-and-so country” or “That ol dictator is going to make everybody take the jab. See how good you got it!!”

Since you think this country sucks so bad, I thought I should warn you in case you might want to go there.

Those with at least two brain cells know that the US does not exist in a vacuum. You ignore what' happening in the rest of the world at your peril.
If the assholes in government would have been paying more attention to China when this whole Covid thing started we could have avoided a lot of death in this country. Same thing goes for what was going on in Europe when Covid started.
In both cases we closed the barn door after the horses got out.

Bottom line: We are not as bad as those "other" countries, no matter how much you hate and despise this country.
The Baker act and other laws here in Florida are used regularly to protect the general population from ignorant assholes who think they have a right to infect the rest of the state with drug resistant TB. It is also there in case of bioterrorism or if something worse than covid comes along. So far I haven't heard anyone in the current administration suggest forcing people to take the vaccine. The only ones mentioning that are people like yourself.

An interesting side note is that it is used frequently against illegals because most regular Americans aren't so ignorant as to believe they have a right to infect the rest of society with a deadly disease like TB.

PSS: I'll let you know in case that Israeli oral med eventually also comes in suppository form.

 

[TerryK]

Perhaps a limit could be put on such a law by requiring that a death rate of more than 2% (or whatever seems appropriate) be used to define “dangerous.”.

i would also limit quarantines to being home-based as much as possible.

otherwise, “my body my choice” ...

I agree with you about having some more exact criteria about what constitutes a deadly disease.

I don't agree with the home quarantine. What happens when the person opens his door to the little girl selling girl scout cookies, or spends 15 minutes talking with his next door neighbor over the backyard fence?
If a disease is truly deadly, they have to be truly quarantined.

Be careful with the my body my choice comment. That is a favorite of the pro abortion group. Just saying.