Know any Fat old men?
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MY FATHER HE"S 65 AND STANDS 5 FOOT 4 TALL AND 265 POUNDS AND MY GRAND MOM WAS 5'7" AND JUST OVER 300 POUNDS WHEN SHE PAST AWAY AT 73Stig Swanson
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Go to Florida.
big kumara
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Ah, you must come to the land where the really good food is unpronouncable, usually begins with a "k" and has sour cream or cottage cheese as a main ingredient.
Lisa,
I apologize, I am the only member of my family that is not overweight ( I was adopted) But due to a life time of defending my family my anger at your question was automatic and I apologize for that.
As far as your husband, you need to increase his activity.
My older brother was over 500 pounds for years. I finaly got him interested in hunting and fishing and we were able to get his weight down by 200 pounds. If he is not interested in the outdoors then use helen's exercise (panic sex ) lots and lots of panic sex. You'd be surprised at the caleries burned and I bet it's a form of exercise he won't refuse to do or get tired of
Rich
I apologize, I am the only member of my family that is not overweight ( I was adopted) But due to a life time of defending my family my anger at your question was automatic and I apologize for that.
As far as your husband, you need to increase his activity.
My older brother was over 500 pounds for years. I finaly got him interested in hunting and fishing and we were able to get his weight down by 200 pounds. If he is not interested in the outdoors then use helen's exercise (panic sex ) lots and lots of panic sex. You'd be surprised at the caleries burned and I bet it's a form of exercise he won't refuse to do or get tired of
Rich
Michiana MaJo
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Good question.....come to think of it, I can't recall any fat old men, either. (We're talking realy obese, here, not just paunchy.)
I guess they all drop dead of heart attacks, since mens' weight settles up higher than womens'.
I worked in a nursing home for a couple of decades, and don't believe we ever had a fat old man, but we had loads of fat old women. Many that we had to use a Hoyer lift to transfer them from chair to bed, and back....too much for the aides to move without mechanical help.
There was a time when the Dietary Dept. could put a really obese person on a restricted calorie diet ( we never went below 1500 calories...more likely 1800...and that's plenty, for a sedentary person.) However, now, a Dr. has to do it, and it doesn't happen nearly often enough.
Residents usually wind up gaining weight, at the nursing home--meals are fairly generous, and activity is almost non existent, except the walk to means (if the patient is ambulatory.)
I guess they all drop dead of heart attacks, since mens' weight settles up higher than womens'.
I worked in a nursing home for a couple of decades, and don't believe we ever had a fat old man, but we had loads of fat old women. Many that we had to use a Hoyer lift to transfer them from chair to bed, and back....too much for the aides to move without mechanical help.
There was a time when the Dietary Dept. could put a really obese person on a restricted calorie diet ( we never went below 1500 calories...more likely 1800...and that's plenty, for a sedentary person.) However, now, a Dr. has to do it, and it doesn't happen nearly often enough.
Residents usually wind up gaining weight, at the nursing home--meals are fairly generous, and activity is almost non existent, except the walk to means (if the patient is ambulatory.)
Lisa- your concern is valid and I do hope you can convince hubby to take it (and you) seriously.
Basic simple physiology says that anyone (men or women, but men have it much worse due to the way -and where- they store fat) who has a great deal of fat around the abdomen also has a great deal of fat IN the abdomen. The internal organs are coated in layers of the stuff.
This isn't just humans, by the way. Animals which are obese, or livestock which has been fed to be "well marbled" also have a lot of fat around internal organs. It's very unhealthy and definitely can be life expectancy limiting.
Also, every five pounds of fat in the abdominal region puts incredible amounts of strain on the spine. Heavy people- men or women- have much higher rates of osteoarthritis, due to the extra wear and tear on all their joints.
Rich has a good point- two of them, actually. Hereditary factors are a big part of weight. They're an even bigger part of WHERE a person stores fat. But, activity and exercise can go a long way towards modifying those factors and helping a person overcome them and regain a healthy weight.
Anyone who is obese needs to have a thorough doctors checkup before starting any drastic modifications on their diet, or before beginning an exercise program that includes a much higher activity level than they are used to. Once he's cleared as far as major risk factors are concerned, then you can work together to help him slowly modify his lifestyle. A good physical checkup can also determine if there are any physical factors which are contributing to the extra weight- thyroid deficiency being only one of several possibilities.
And make no mistake- it will take a complete change in lifestyle to be able to lose that much weight and then KEEP it off. Losing and gaining (yo-yo dieting syndrome) is actually much unhealthier than staying at a steady obese weight.
If you can present this to hubby as a loving concern, not in a critical way, it may help motivate him. But, weight is a very touchy issue for most people, so don't be surprised if he takes it the wrong way at first!
Good luck to both of you...
Summerthyme
Basic simple physiology says that anyone (men or women, but men have it much worse due to the way -and where- they store fat) who has a great deal of fat around the abdomen also has a great deal of fat IN the abdomen. The internal organs are coated in layers of the stuff.
This isn't just humans, by the way. Animals which are obese, or livestock which has been fed to be "well marbled" also have a lot of fat around internal organs. It's very unhealthy and definitely can be life expectancy limiting.
Also, every five pounds of fat in the abdominal region puts incredible amounts of strain on the spine. Heavy people- men or women- have much higher rates of osteoarthritis, due to the extra wear and tear on all their joints.
Rich has a good point- two of them, actually. Hereditary factors are a big part of weight. They're an even bigger part of WHERE a person stores fat. But, activity and exercise can go a long way towards modifying those factors and helping a person overcome them and regain a healthy weight.
Anyone who is obese needs to have a thorough doctors checkup before starting any drastic modifications on their diet, or before beginning an exercise program that includes a much higher activity level than they are used to. Once he's cleared as far as major risk factors are concerned, then you can work together to help him slowly modify his lifestyle. A good physical checkup can also determine if there are any physical factors which are contributing to the extra weight- thyroid deficiency being only one of several possibilities.
And make no mistake- it will take a complete change in lifestyle to be able to lose that much weight and then KEEP it off. Losing and gaining (yo-yo dieting syndrome) is actually much unhealthier than staying at a steady obese weight.
If you can present this to hubby as a loving concern, not in a critical way, it may help motivate him. But, weight is a very touchy issue for most people, so don't be surprised if he takes it the wrong way at first!
Good luck to both of you...
Summerthyme
lisa
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WE did the Atkins 2 yrs. ago-and he worked out- He had lost 70 pounds and then my dad died (I was gone a month and he ate whatever- then I came home and a couple weeks later our house burned down so we were stuck for 6 months living in a hotel and eating in restaurants-even I gained 25 pounds that time 
! Then we got back into our house and suddenly moved to Panama!
If we could get to the beach more he'd do great- he can swim in the ocean for hours- but he definitely has a sweet tooth and I don't think he's willing to swear off carbs for life so I'm hesitant to do Atkins again if he'll just gain it back I hear losing and gaining again is harder for your body than not losing at all.
I suppose panic sex DOES burn more calories than regular sex
! Then we got back into our house and suddenly moved to Panama! If we could get to the beach more he'd do great- he can swim in the ocean for hours- but he definitely has a sweet tooth and I don't think he's willing to swear off carbs for life so I'm hesitant to do Atkins again if he'll just gain it back I hear losing and gaining again is harder for your body than not losing at all.
I suppose panic sex DOES burn more calories than regular sex
chairborne commando
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If you love your husband, do what it takes to get him to
lower his weight. If he balks, get grim and tell him you
want him to sign this Life Insurance contract you have here.
I have never been married, and am beginning to discover
just what price you really pay for self-indulgence/ selfishness.
It's no fun dealing with major illness (and the expense
associated with it) but it is downright scary facing it alone.
Ever hear of Pulmonary Edema? That's a "pre-heart attack"
where your lungs fill up with fluid because your sedentary
heart atrophies and cannot adequately process enough
oxygen fast enough. You wake up with a choking, drowning
sensation and end up sleeping in an upright position.
You're lucky if you get 4 hrs of sleep in a row.
Then we could talk about Diabetes; Arthritis and a good half-dozen other fun diseases. Plus, there is your physical self,
which starts deteriorating anyway at a certain age. Life is
what it is. The 'end' is the same for all of us, but there's no
reason to rush things.
Be blunt. Does he really want to die gasping for breath in some
impersonal hospital bed (if he makes it there)? If you love him, make some hard choices. It sounds like he will need you to reinforce his motivation.
When you confront your own mortality, it changes your worldview
completely. Change his now and grow old together.
lower his weight. If he balks, get grim and tell him you
want him to sign this Life Insurance contract you have here.
I have never been married, and am beginning to discover
just what price you really pay for self-indulgence/ selfishness.
It's no fun dealing with major illness (and the expense
associated with it) but it is downright scary facing it alone.
Ever hear of Pulmonary Edema? That's a "pre-heart attack"
where your lungs fill up with fluid because your sedentary
heart atrophies and cannot adequately process enough
oxygen fast enough. You wake up with a choking, drowning
sensation and end up sleeping in an upright position.
You're lucky if you get 4 hrs of sleep in a row.
Then we could talk about Diabetes; Arthritis and a good half-dozen other fun diseases. Plus, there is your physical self,
which starts deteriorating anyway at a certain age. Life is
what it is. The 'end' is the same for all of us, but there's no
reason to rush things.
Be blunt. Does he really want to die gasping for breath in some
impersonal hospital bed (if he makes it there)? If you love him, make some hard choices. It sounds like he will need you to reinforce his motivation.
When you confront your own mortality, it changes your worldview
completely. Change his now and grow old together.
Metalmorphose
Membership Revoked
Well, that Santa Claus guy has been around for a while.lisa said:
pliny the younger
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want to lose weight? Safely and permanently?
Of course, all people will say so even if they are not really obese.
Well, there is a secret. It is called ayurveda by the hindoos and is really sanskrit which means 'life science'.
Basically the idea is to find your true body type and mental nature based on a 'blend' of the three 'prime types" . THis is much more extensive than say the Japanese 'eat for your blood type' diet approach. In Ayurveda, there are 3 dosha's and any human is a blend of these three. Also the effective dominance of these dosha's changes daily, sometimes many times a day.
In any event, if one finds the body type blend that one is (pitta, vatta, kapha are the dosha names) then one can go and look up which foods are compantible and supportive of that body type. Then you eat those foods as much as you want and you will still loose weight and should find that any cravings or such just disappear as you are getting the foods that your body/mind really need.
As an example, I have recently taken a 45 year old woman from 220 per cent of her 'ideal' body weight to 150 % of that weight. It took a liitle over a year (over 100 pounds lost so quite the load to shed).
We did not change her exercise level (zero to start) and she had had knee replacement on one leg due to the years of extra weight and its attendent problems. Now she finds that she actually enjoys those exercises that are appropriate for her type and that has even accelerated the weight reduction. Plus she is getting some good muscle mass going here.
The real thing is that few, very damn few, hell almost no one, can do this on their own. And there is no way a book can do this for you. So you really need to locate a good ayurvedic counselor.
Remember ,the first rule of ayurveda is 'niyama' which means, 'do no harm'.
So if you are of a mind to track down an ayurvedic guide, then be advised to seriously examine the person and their references. If they hold themselves out as ayurvedic counselor or physician, then make them pony up the references and check them out. Not only could a bad guide make things worse, but you would have also wasted your time.
But it does work. One might note that hindoos are rarely fat. Even the rich ones who can indulge themselves in whatever food they wish. ALso note that hindoos who come over to the US of A and lose their cultural roots and touches to ayurveda do run to fat just like all the dumb clucks who are our fellow citizens.
Good luck to you. First rule is niyama.
Of course, all people will say so even if they are not really obese.
Well, there is a secret. It is called ayurveda by the hindoos and is really sanskrit which means 'life science'.
Basically the idea is to find your true body type and mental nature based on a 'blend' of the three 'prime types" . THis is much more extensive than say the Japanese 'eat for your blood type' diet approach. In Ayurveda, there are 3 dosha's and any human is a blend of these three. Also the effective dominance of these dosha's changes daily, sometimes many times a day.
In any event, if one finds the body type blend that one is (pitta, vatta, kapha are the dosha names) then one can go and look up which foods are compantible and supportive of that body type. Then you eat those foods as much as you want and you will still loose weight and should find that any cravings or such just disappear as you are getting the foods that your body/mind really need.
As an example, I have recently taken a 45 year old woman from 220 per cent of her 'ideal' body weight to 150 % of that weight. It took a liitle over a year (over 100 pounds lost so quite the load to shed).
We did not change her exercise level (zero to start) and she had had knee replacement on one leg due to the years of extra weight and its attendent problems. Now she finds that she actually enjoys those exercises that are appropriate for her type and that has even accelerated the weight reduction. Plus she is getting some good muscle mass going here.
The real thing is that few, very damn few, hell almost no one, can do this on their own. And there is no way a book can do this for you. So you really need to locate a good ayurvedic counselor.
Remember ,the first rule of ayurveda is 'niyama' which means, 'do no harm'.
So if you are of a mind to track down an ayurvedic guide, then be advised to seriously examine the person and their references. If they hold themselves out as ayurvedic counselor or physician, then make them pony up the references and check them out. Not only could a bad guide make things worse, but you would have also wasted your time.
But it does work. One might note that hindoos are rarely fat. Even the rich ones who can indulge themselves in whatever food they wish. ALso note that hindoos who come over to the US of A and lose their cultural roots and touches to ayurveda do run to fat just like all the dumb clucks who are our fellow citizens.
Good luck to you. First rule is niyama.
Truly_Bug
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http://www.tops.org/
http://www.tops.org/
Herbmountain
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Pliney....I love Ayruveda. Im Pitta deranged!!!! Very Kapha in the winter and Vata in the connective tissues. Yes, it really does work and gentle therapies last longer and are more effective. I do know from my teachings that we are born with a predomanant dosha. The doshas that change are according to the seasons and times of the day. I like associating the doshas to times of life. One can really see the example here. Birth to adolesence is Kapha. Full of water, fat, love. Teens to adult. Pitta. Fire, growth, burning of the juices and finally Vata. Drying up of the juices equaling dry, brittle, light, airy, cold. As for the plants you can see this too. Spring is Pitta, Fall is Kapha and winter is Vata. Really neat sutff.
Who did you study with? I studied with Candis Cantin. She teaches at the Rocky Mt Institute, and does lectures all over the US. Her close good friends are Michael Tierra, Rosemary Gladstar, Michael Moore, Susan Weed. As I remember all these Herbalists founded the American Herbalists Guild.
I also studied Chinese Tongue Diagnosis and like using this tool also.
Glad to find a like mind here. Aho
Who did you study with? I studied with Candis Cantin. She teaches at the Rocky Mt Institute, and does lectures all over the US. Her close good friends are Michael Tierra, Rosemary Gladstar, Michael Moore, Susan Weed. As I remember all these Herbalists founded the American Herbalists Guild.
I also studied Chinese Tongue Diagnosis and like using this tool also.
Glad to find a like mind here. Aho