INTL Japan's Atomic Bomb

CaBuckeye

Contributing Member
Last night I watched a program on Story TV about Japan developing an Atomic bomb at the end of WW2. This program originally air in August of 2005. This really caught my eye and curiosity as I'm widely read on the Pacific War (I think I may have died there in a previous life). This is the first that I have ever heard anything about Japan having a serious Nuclear Research project.

Supposedly, the Japanese Army and Navy both had programs to build the bomb. The U.S. spent four years, using over 100,000 people and spent today's equivalent of $38 Trillion dollars to make three operational bombs. According to the program, the Japanese teams were very small but involved some very bright scientists. Even obtaining nuclear materials were extremely difficult as Japan had no uranium ore and eventually obtained the pure U-235 material from other ores containing specks of uranium 238. All of this work seemed to be done on the back of napkins and spare kitchen equipment. They also sourced 200 lbs. of U-235 from the Germans in May 1945 but fortunately, the U-boat that was transporting the (and other Nazi secret weapons) materials surrendered to the Americans in the North Sea as the war ended in Europe. Maybe that is where the US obtained the U-235 for the three US bombs.

The Army Bomb team was stationed at a Tokyo University where it was bombed out during the fire bombings. The Navy team was based in (North) Korea. Supposedly, all documentation regarding U-235 refinement and bomb design was destroyed to prevent the US learning about their research project as they were worried about being charged with war crimes. One of the Japanese scientists emigrated to the US in 1949 as part of Operation Paperclip and taught at University of Arkansas. In his possession were documents that showed how the Japanese projects refined U-235 and basic bomb design. Although a number of "American White" students saw these documents (Yes, in Japanese), only a few articles were printed by the media and this seem to be quickly squashed and not brought to the general American public attention. The researchers found that a couple of the original scientist were alive in Japan. When these documents were shown to the scientists, they first denied any knowledge, but eventually acknowledged the bomb program and talked about their participation and what occurred.

Yada, Yada, Yada!!

What blew me away was an American journalist that had very high ethics, reported that he interviewed a high-ranking Japanese Army Intelligence Officer after the war in Korea, who oversaw the security of Navy bomb team. According to him, at the end of the war, the Japanese High Command knew they could not win the war conventionally and ask the Navy team to tried a test. The Officer revealed that a test was conducted on an island off the coast of (North) Korea in the Sea of Japan. A cold chill went down my back when he stated that their bomb worked!!!! Luckly for us, this occurred in-between our two bomb drops. I don't think they had enough U-235 material for another bomb as I'm sure they would have used it on the Fleet. Instead, Japan surrendered and the Navy team was told to destroy any trace of the project. The bad news was the Soviet's had invaded Korea and eventually found the site. According to witnesses, the Russians took everything there back to Russia including some of the scientists. If this story is true, maybe the already had a bomb design and the Rosenberg's were not all the necessary.

Although there were rumors of Japan's desire for a bomb, this research was never caught by U.S. Intelligence due to American bigotry and superiority attitudes. It was a common theme in the Pacific Theater where US Intelligence personnel "underestimating" the Japanese military and people. The American belief was that "Japanese could never mass the capacity to build a bomb when compared to our effort." Due to the fact the Russia sealed off Korea, we were never able to investigate the Naval site. However, even though the Tokyo bomb lab was "cleaned" by the scientists prior to the US arrival, a special US Army team came in and removed/destroyed every piece of lab equipment and went as far as taking out the 12" concrete lab walls. Obviously, someone in authority thought something was going on there.

What is odd about this show, if true, is threefold

1. Why has this not been brought out to the public before. Did US intel squash all this info? Has anyone seen this program in 2005 or heard of these projects and development before?

2. We/ I have always been told that no NGO i.e. terrorist, would have the knowledge, experience, skills, capability to develop an atomic bomb. Obviously, a small nation can, as North Korea, Pakistan, Iran, Israel, and God knows who else has figured it out. Could this mean that Japan already has the capability to build as bomb at any time as they already have nuclear fuel available? This makes me conclude that a well-funded group of skilled and knowledgeable fanatics could well indeed build an atomic bomb/s.

3. U.S. Intelligence has had a history of international failures. Part of this is relying on machines (Spy Satellites, drones, wiretapping, etc.) and less on human intelligence (CIA / FBI / Third party agents in the field, turncoats, internal resistance, etc.) that limits "raw data" and corupts accurate development of "intentions" and allows political/personal bias to effect analysis and interpretation. This is where "Under estimating' and "Over Estimating" can lead to huge failures. Intel organizations Under estimating gave us Pearl Harbor, Vietnam, Six Day War/ Yum Kapour, Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan, American Invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan, Ukraine/Kuwait invasions, etc. Overestimating gives us an overzealous estimate of Iraqi/Afgan willingness for freedom or German and Post War Soviet military strengths that cost the US hundreds of billions of dollars. A recent story about military procurement corruption in China talked about missiles filled with water and other systems have fatal operational flaws. Someone pointed out that this will set the potential of a military invasion of Taiwan back by 10 years. I have some personal experience on that type of corruption but I wonder if some of this is Chinese military disinformation. If I was planning on invading some country in the near future, like say Taiwan or Japan and had to go up against a peer plus adversary, I would definitely start rumors that my military is in shambles, my Generals are crap and we need to rebuild the military completely. Hey !! No Threat Here!!! During the Cold War, Soviet intelligence used the term "maskirovka" (Russian military deception) to refer to a combination of tactics including disinformation, simulation, camouflage, and concealment when they tried to hide a secret operation or military system. Is the Japanese Atomic Bomb development fake news or another huge U.S. intel blunder and just covered it up to avoid embarrassment. If so and the Japanese were able to build multiple bombs, the war in the Pacific could have ended far differently than history has recorded. I just hope intell agencies are on the ball regarding China, Russia and Iran or we are destined for a world of hurt.
 

Dobbin

Faithful Steed
Maybe that is where the US obtained the U-235 for the three US bombs.
Covered in the book(s) "The Making of the Atomic Bomb" by Richard Rhodes. The second book is on the Hydrogen Bomb.

IIRC, the US set up at least two "parallel" versions of isotope separation. Each made without the other knowing what was going on - and designed to assure at least one of these would work.

I don't remember the exact mechanics of separation but one was "vapor separation" and the other involved magnetic separation.

The two together finally gave a sum total large enough for the three bombs. Not exactly the sort of operation that a small nation/state had the finance to set up, then or now.

Covered in no small detail at Manhattan Project: Processes > URANIUM ISOTOPE SEPARATION

You may remember the flack over the "Iranian Centrifuge Explosions" and Stuxnet. Stuxnet was a CIA created "worm" designed to affect the American made components and transfer into the centrifuge control - and destroy the centrifuge. Thus sundering the Iranian development of nuclear fuel. Stuxnet - Wikipedia

Dobbin
 

Wyominglarry

Veteran Member
Japan does it own reprocessing of its radioactive fuel rods. There has been talk for years that they already have many "pits" and can make a nuke in just a few hours. They also have the technology to launch ICBMs. If China or North Korea attacked Japan those countries would probably get nuked within hours.
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
Last night I watched a program on Story TV about Japan developing an Atomic bomb at the end of WW2. This program originally air in August of 2005. This really caught my eye and curiosity as I'm widely read on the Pacific War (I think I may have died there in a previous life). This is the first that I have ever heard anything about Japan having a serious Nuclear Research project.

Supposedly, the Japanese Army and Navy both had programs to build the bomb. The U.S. spent four years, using over 100,000 people and spent today's equivalent of $38 Trillion dollars to make three operational bombs. According to the program, the Japanese teams were very small but involved some very bright scientists. Even obtaining nuclear materials were extremely difficult as Japan had no uranium ore and eventually obtained the pure U-235 material from other ores containing specks of uranium 238. All of this work seemed to be done on the back of napkins and spare kitchen equipment. They also sourced 200 lbs. of U-235 from the Germans in May 1945 but fortunately, the U-boat that was transporting the (and other Nazi secret weapons) materials surrendered to the Americans in the North Sea as the war ended in Europe. Maybe that is where the US obtained the U-235 for the three US bombs.

The Army Bomb team was stationed at a Tokyo University where it was bombed out during the fire bombings. The Navy team was based in (North) Korea. Supposedly, all documentation regarding U-235 refinement and bomb design was destroyed to prevent the US learning about their research project as they were worried about being charged with war crimes. One of the Japanese scientists emigrated to the US in 1949 as part of Operation Paperclip and taught at University of Arkansas. In his possession were documents that showed how the Japanese projects refined U-235 and basic bomb design. Although a number of "American White" students saw these documents (Yes, in Japanese), only a few articles were printed by the media and this seem to be quickly squashed and not brought to the general American public attention. The researchers found that a couple of the original scientist were alive in Japan. When these documents were shown to the scientists, they first denied any knowledge, but eventually acknowledged the bomb program and talked about their participation and what occurred.

Yada, Yada, Yada!!

What blew me away was an American journalist that had very high ethics, reported that he interviewed a high-ranking Japanese Army Intelligence Officer after the war in Korea, who oversaw the security of Navy bomb team. According to him, at the end of the war, the Japanese High Command knew they could not win the war conventionally and ask the Navy team to tried a test. The Officer revealed that a test was conducted on an island off the coast of (North) Korea in the Sea of Japan. A cold chill went down my back when he stated that their bomb worked!!!! Luckly for us, this occurred in-between our two bomb drops. I don't think they had enough U-235 material for another bomb as I'm sure they would have used it on the Fleet. Instead, Japan surrendered and the Navy team was told to destroy any trace of the project. The bad news was the Soviet's had invaded Korea and eventually found the site. According to witnesses, the Russians took everything there back to Russia including some of the scientists. If this story is true, maybe the already had a bomb design and the Rosenberg's were not all the necessary.

Although there were rumors of Japan's desire for a bomb, this research was never caught by U.S. Intelligence due to American bigotry and superiority attitudes. It was a common theme in the Pacific Theater where US Intelligence personnel "underestimating" the Japanese military and people. The American belief was that "Japanese could never mass the capacity to build a bomb when compared to our effort." Due to the fact the Russia sealed off Korea, we were never able to investigate the Naval site. However, even though the Tokyo bomb lab was "cleaned" by the scientists prior to the US arrival, a special US Army team came in and removed/destroyed every piece of lab equipment and went as far as taking out the 12" concrete lab walls. Obviously, someone in authority thought something was going on there.

What is odd about this show, if true, is threefold

1. Why has this not been brought out to the public before. Did US intel squash all this info? Has anyone seen this program in 2005 or heard of these projects and development before?

2. We/ I have always been told that no NGO i.e. terrorist, would have the knowledge, experience, skills, capability to develop an atomic bomb. Obviously, a small nation can, as North Korea, Pakistan, Iran, Israel, and God knows who else has figured it out. Could this mean that Japan already has the capability to build as bomb at any time as they already have nuclear fuel available? This makes me conclude that a well-funded group of skilled and knowledgeable fanatics could well indeed build an atomic bomb/s.

3. U.S. Intelligence has had a history of international failures. Part of this is relying on machines (Spy Satellites, drones, wiretapping, etc.) and less on human intelligence (CIA / FBI / Third party agents in the field, turncoats, internal resistance, etc.) that limits "raw data" and corupts accurate development of "intentions" and allows political/personal bias to effect analysis and interpretation. This is where "Under estimating' and "Over Estimating" can lead to huge failures. Intel organizations Under estimating gave us Pearl Harbor, Vietnam, Six Day War/ Yum Kapour, Soviet Invasion of Afghanistan, American Invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan, Ukraine/Kuwait invasions, etc. Overestimating gives us an overzealous estimate of Iraqi/Afgan willingness for freedom or German and Post War Soviet military strengths that cost the US hundreds of billions of dollars. A recent story about military procurement corruption in China talked about missiles filled with water and other systems have fatal operational flaws. Someone pointed out that this will set the potential of a military invasion of Taiwan back by 10 years. I have some personal experience on that type of corruption but I wonder if some of this is Chinese military disinformation. If I was planning on invading some country in the near future, like say Taiwan or Japan and had to go up against a peer plus adversary, I would definitely start rumors that my military is in shambles, my Generals are crap and we need to rebuild the military completely. Hey !! No Threat Here!!! During the Cold War, Soviet intelligence used the term "maskirovka" (Russian military deception) to refer to a combination of tactics including disinformation, simulation, camouflage, and concealment when they tried to hide a secret operation or military system. Is the Japanese Atomic Bomb development fake news or another huge U.S. intel blunder and just covered it up to avoid embarrassment. If so and the Japanese were able to build multiple bombs, the war in the Pacific could have ended far differently than history has recorded. I just hope intell agencies are on the ball regarding China, Russia and Iran or we are destined for a world of hurt.

Look up the "Nth Country Experiment", that will give you a good look into what's involved. That and what the UK had to do to make their own nuclear weapons.
 

Jez

Veteran Member
Covered in the book(s) "The Making of the Atomic Bomb" by Richard Rhodes. The second book is on the Hydrogen Bomb.

IIRC, the US set up at least two "parallel" versions of isotope separation. Each made without the other knowing what was going on - and designed to assure at least one of these would work.

I don't remember the exact mechanics of separation but one was "vapor separation" and the other involved magnetic separation.

The two together finally gave a sum total large enough for the three bombs. Not exactly the sort of operation that a small nation/state had the finance to set up, then or now.

Covered in no small detail at Manhattan Project: Processes > URANIUM ISOTOPE SEPARATION

You may remember the flack over the "Iranian Centrifuge Explosions" and Stuxnet. Stuxnet was a CIA created "worm" designed to affect the American made components and transfer into the centrifuge control - and destroy the centrifuge. Thus sundering the Iranian development of nuclear fuel. Stuxnet - Wikipedia

Dobbin
The first Rhodes book is great. The 2nd wasn't as good.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
ANYONE with access to a U.S. Repository Library (for instance Clarkson U. Library) has open source technical data and designs for BOTH FAT MAN and LITTLE BOY. ALL you need is the time to read and copy.

"Nth Country Study" puts a bit more meat on that skeleton, but basically It's all there in each of about a hundred and fifty libraries around the country.
 

CaBuckeye

Contributing Member
The first Rhodes book is great. The 2nd wasn't as good.
There were a total of different methodologies predicted for seperating out the U-235. They didn't know which would work so they set up all four processing lines just in case.
Covered in the book(s) "The Making of the Atomic Bomb" by Richard Rhodes. The second book is on the Hydrogen Bomb.

IIRC, the US set up at least two "parallel" versions of isotope separation. Each made without the other knowing what was going on - and designed to assure at least one of these would work.

I don't remember the exact mechanics of separation but one was "vapor separation" and the other involved magnetic separation.

The two together finally gave a sum total large enough for the three bombs. Not exactly the sort of operation that a small nation/state had the finance to set up, then or now.

Covered in no small detail at Manhattan Project: Processes > URANIUM ISOTOPE SEPARATION

You may remember the flack over the "Iranian Centrifuge Explosions" and Stuxnet. Stuxnet was a CIA created "worm" designed to affect the American made components and transfer into the centrifuge control - and destroy the centrifuge. Thus sundering the Iranian development of nuclear fuel. Stuxnet - Wikipedia

Dobbin
There were a total of four different methodologies predicted by the scientists for separating out the U-235. They didn't know which would actually work, so they set up all four processing lines just in case. What's another billion or so? Gaseous diffusion turnout to be the higher efficiency process, which is what we use today for uranium processing. Growing up 15 miles from a primary US Govt. uranium processing plant provides you with a certain education and a technical language that would be thought as odd in other parts of the country. General info in the PD was freely discussed but classified processes were restricted under the "Loose Lips, Sinks Ships" protocol. People employed by the plant only "worked" at the plant. Job descriptions were general like Maintenance, Production or other innocuous department titles. Relatives that worked at the plant were told never to talk about their actual work or the plant operations. I was told that people who couldn't hold their mouths (BS artists, Gossip mongers, etc) were visited by G-Men in sixties black suits, white shirts and narrow black ties (Men in Black) that day and fired the next day. Dad told me that he never worry about nuclear war as the plant was a priority target for a Russian 10 megaton nuclear warhead and we would never know what the sudden bright light was.
 

von Koehler

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Germany was heading entirely in the wrong direction and would not have arrived there in another 10 years, other factors notwithstanding.

RR
Germany supposedly had two different research efforts; one was discovered after the war by American GI's and was far from developing a bomb.

There is some evidence of a second program which successfully detonated some sort of nuclear device but this was in land later occupied by the Soviets so little is known for certain.

In any event, too late to have been used.
 
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Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
Supposedly the German program was as much focused on power generation as weaponization.

The Japanese program was laboring under a scarcity of resources that was hamstringing the Japanese war effort as a whole.
 

Publius

TB Fanatic
I find it hard to believe that three counties somehow were working on the same concept near the same time point in history and not knowing that two other countries were working on developing the same thing.
 

von Koehler

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I find it hard to believe that three counties somehow were working on the same concept near the same time point in history and not knowing that two other countries were working on developing the same thing.

Before the war, scientific journals carried developments about atomic research were widely available to the international academic world. But when the war started and the possible military applications were realized, censorship started. So in one sense, everyone started with the same basic grasp of atomic theory.
 

Doc1

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I find it hard to believe that three counties somehow were working on the same concept near the same time point in history and not knowing that two other countries were working on developing the same thing.

I don't find it difficult to believe because of both tight security and language differences. Additionally, the US was the world's industrial and financial powerhouse at the time and threw more resources at the atomic program - by a factor of many, many times - than either Germany or Japan could begin to afford.

Also, there were various leaks and suppositions about the atomic program, though nothing definitive. Additionally, physicists were a fairly close knit community in the 1930s and it was generally known amongst them that the Uranium atom had been split just prior to WWII.

Best
Doc
 

Jez

Veteran Member
The US also ended up with the greatest minds of the era with regard to physics. Szlizard, Oppenheimer and others. All European refugees from the Germans.

RR
A great many of them Jews. They may not have been practicing, but they were Jewish enough to have to flee Germany. Rhodes first book includes just enough history of Physics and how one discovery supported another. I really liked those parts. Now I want to listen to the book again on Audible.
 

Griz3752

Retired, practising Curmudgeon
Japan does it own reprocessing of its radioactive fuel rods. There has been talk for years that they already have many "pits" and can make a nuke in just a few hours. They also have the technology to launch ICBMs. If China or North Korea attacked Japan those countries would probably get nuked within hours.
Not much PROBABLY in it.

Everybody - well most folks anyway, seem focused on Israel nuking one or two Arab states & setting off GNW.

For me, India/Pakistan seemed more likely followed by the Gen3 Toadstool (NK) or maybe Iran et al going jihad on the US.

Anyone who thinks Nippon has gotten over losing WW2 and the US using nukes on the Home Islands is deluded.

I'm betting JASDF has something they can deliver now just awaiting the "GO" command. Their F-15J and F-35s are designed to be nuke-delivery capable.
 

CaBuckeye

Contributing Member
The US, Russia, China, India, Pakistan, North Korea, Israel, England, France currently have nuclear weapons and Iran will probably be joining the party in the next five years. In the next decade, I sorrily anticipate this club to double or even triple in size as countries start feeling the cold, wet breath of their hostile neighbors on the back of their neck and don't necessarily feel warm and cozy, that the US has their backs.

Countries that have operational nuclear reactors are: Argentina, Armenia, Belarus, Belgium, Brazil, Bulgaria, Canada, Taiwan, Czeck Repl., Finland, Germany, Hungary, Japan, Mexico, Netherlands, South Korea, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, South Africa, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Ukraine, United Arab Emirates.

With the world in turmoil and allegiances changing on a daily basis, I highlighted in BOLD which countries that I believe have the required access to the necessary refined nuclear materials, the technical means, financing, political will and motivation to construct a series of nuclear weapons in complete secrecy in the next 10 years or so. On the other hand, South Africa developed the bomb in conjunction with Israel, but gave up their program when pressured by the West. With the current SA gangster government in power now, along with the United Arab Emirates, they may be now and maybe be willing to sell off nuclear materials, expertise or even complete bombs to NGO's, which could include political, religious, social, racial, environmental groups or even International Mega-Corporations that want to "change the world". Somehow, this just makes me feel that the world could become a much dangerous place in the future.
 

CaBuckeye

Contributing Member
North Korea allegedly set off an underwater atomic bomb delivered by a submersible drone off their coast today. What a better way to provide the initiative to South Korea and Japan to "covertly" start final development and priority production of their own nuclear weapons for self-protection from North Korea.

Is that a clock that I hear chiming midnight?
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
North Korea allegedly set off an underwater atomic bomb delivered by a submersible drone off their coast today. What a better way to provide the initiative to South Korea and Japan to "covertly" start final development and priority production of their own nuclear weapons for self-protection from North Korea.

Is that a clock that I hear chiming midnight?

Just the delivery system.....

Posted for fair use......

INTERNATIONAL

North Korea says it tested underwater nuclear attack drone​

BY LAUREN IRWIN - 01/19/24 8:17 AM ET

North Korea said Friday that it had tested an underwater nuclear attack drone in response to a naval exercise by South Korea, the United States and Japan.

North Korea’s military said it conducted the test of the “Haeil-5-23” in the country’s eastern waters. It did not specify the date the test occurred.

A statement released by the North Korea Ministry of National Defense called the joint drill between South Korea, the U.S. and Japan “frantic” and “provocative.” The statement claimed the operation further destabilized the region and is “seriously threatening the security” of North Korea.

“Our army’s underwater nuke-based countering posture is being further rounded off and its various maritime and underwater responsive actions will continue to deter the hostile military maneuvers of the navies of the United States and its allies,” the military added in a statement highlighted by KCNA Watch.

The statement denounced the United States “and its followers” and “sternly warn them of the catastrophic consequences” of threatening the country’s security.

South Korea’s Defense Ministry denounced North Korea’s recent tests as violating United Nations Security Council resolutions and a threat to peace for the Korean Peninsula and around the world, The Associated Press reported.

The drone, which is designed to destroy naval vessels and ports, was first tested last year and is among a broad range of nuclear-capable weapons North Korea has displayed in recent years, AP noted.

The underwater test came just days after North Korean leader Kim Jong Un dismantled North Korean government organizations that were in charge of managing relations with South Korea. Kim took aim at South Korea and the U.S. for escalating tensions and urged the North Korean assembly to rewrite its constitution to label South Korea as the North’s “No. 1 hostile country,” The Hill previously reported.

North Korea earlier this week also claimed to have successfully test-fired a hypersonic missile equipped with a hypersonic, maneuverable warhead that is a more lethal threat than intercontinental ballistic missiles. China and Russia each have them in their arsenal, and the U.S. is racing to develop its own.
 

Dobbin

Faithful Steed
There is some evidence of a second program which successfully detonated some sort of nuclear device but this was in land later occupied by the Soviets so little is known for certain.
"Heavy Water" was big in Nazi-Land.


n 1934, Norsk Hydro built the first commercial heavy water plant at Vemork, Tinn, eventually producing 4 kilograms (8.8 lb) per day.[71] From 1940 and throughout World War II, the plant was under German control and the Allies decided to destroy the plant and its heavy water to inhibit German development of nuclear weapons. In late 1942, a planned raid called Operation Freshman by British airborne troops failed, both gliders crashing. The raiders were killed in the crash or subsequently executed by the Germans.

Heavy water apparently was much used by the Nazi as a "moderator" to a nuclear reaction (i.e. sucks up Neutrons) Today other means are used to do this including "rods" (containing boron, cadmium, indium), "borating" the water (weak boron solution as nuclear primary loop coolant,) or even "plastic" (High density nuclear fuel storage)

Owner has spoken of a project he worked on in Florida. On site storage of spent nuclear fuel is a necessity since there is no concentrated "all in one place" storage for nuclear spent fuel nationwide. Every nuclear plant has in storage all the nuclear fuel ever used since the opening of the plant - and every square inch is utilized. They line the spent fuel pools with plastic to suck up neutrons.

Dobbin
 

Scrapman

Veteran Member
Hard to believe considering Japan couldn't make a functional pistol and most of there equipment was junk.
 

Dobbin

Faithful Steed
Hard to believe considering Japan couldn't make a functional pistol and most of there equipment was junk.
Maybe then.

Owner has spoken of the tin "japanese toys" which his father joked about saying "Made from Amelican Beer Can." And to prove the point while in front of Owner took a pair of tin snips to the cheap toy revealing "Budweiser" imprint on the inside.

But the Japanese world changed with the adoption of "Kaizen" Kaizen - Wikipedia

Actually an American, W. Edwards Deming invented and promoted "quality control" and went himself to Japan to teach Honda the techniques. W. Edwards Deming - Wikipedia

William Edwards Deming (October 14, 1900 – December 20, 1993) was an American business theorist, composer, economist, industrial engineer, management consultant, statistician, and writer. Educated initially as an electrical engineer and later specializing in mathematical physics, he helped develop the sampling techniques still used by the United States Census Bureau and the Bureau of Labor Statistics. He is also known as the father of the quality movement and was hugely influential in post-WWII Japan, credited with revolutionizing Japan's industry and making it one of the most dominant economies in the world.[1][2] He is best known for his theories of management.[3]

Deming returned to the US and ultimately ended up at Ford Motor Company in the 1980s. Owner says this is the period of advertising when Ford claimed "Quality is Job One."

Quality since then has come and gone and come again a couple of times in world automotive product - belying the fact that continuous improvement truly is a "continuous battle."

Dobbin
 

von Koehler

Has No Life - Lives on TB
"Heavy Water" was big in Nazi-Land.




Heavy water apparently was much used by the Nazi as a "moderator" to a nuclear reaction (i.e. sucks up Neutrons) Today other means are used to do this including "rods" (containing boron, cadmium, indium), "borating" the water (weak boron solution as nuclear primary loop coolant,) or even "plastic" (High density nuclear fuel storage)

Owner has spoken of a project he worked on in Florida. On site storage of spent nuclear fuel is a necessity since there is no concentrated "all in one place" storage for nuclear spent fuel nationwide. Every nuclear plant has in storage all the nuclear fuel ever used since the opening of the plant - and every square inch is utilized. They line the spent fuel pools with plastic to suck up neutrons.

Dobbin
This was the best known German atomic attempt. But there are rumors of a second effort, ran by different groups which was also working on a bomb.

However, there is little evidence for this parallel effort.
 

Bubble Head

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Toward the end of WW2 Hitler bragged about a new weapon so devastating it would give Germany victory. I believe it involved the heavy water process which by the way Krause Schwab father was the primary turbine engineering company. He received a medal from Hitler for his contribution to the effort.
 
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Reasonable Rascal

Veteran Member
Toward the end of WW2 Hitler bragged about a new weapon so devastating it would give Germany victory. I believe it involved the heavy water process which by the way Krause Schwab father was the primary turbine engineering company. He received a metal from Hitler for his contribution to the effort.

Hitler bragged about a lot of things in the last year of the war, and he was also increasingly delusional.

The heavy water project was effectively cut off after the plant was sabotaged and the last load of heavy water was sunk on the way over from norway. Assessments after the war said it was not likely the Nazis would have ever arrived at the the bomb within several years with the directions they were taking, and the effects of the sabotage, and scarcity of high-level scientists working on their side.

RR
 

Bubble Head

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Never said Hitler knew what he was doing RR but that they were trying. You are right about him being delusional. The idea that now we have the son of one of Hitler‘s main players in Heavy Water running the WEF is no coincidence to me. Just thought I would tie the two together.
 

rickd94

Contributing Member
Watched a story on the Norwegian heavy water attack. According to records at Norsk Hydro the germans recovered all the heavy water (those barrels were not full so did not sink...
I remember reading that the Germans considered the Uranium bomb, and went in another direction. Apparently test bombings were done in the Urals. I expect that German solution was stopped by their deep state...
 

Dobbin

Faithful Steed
Watched a story on the Norwegian heavy water attack. According to records at Norsk Hydro the germans recovered all the heavy water (those barrels were not full so did not sink...
I also saw reports that the amount of "Heavy Water" in each barrel was less than it should have been - the claim being made that Norsk Hydro was not the first subcontractor to "stiff" the Nazi regime.


Despite the apparent shipment size, the total quantity of pure heavy water was limited; most barrels contained only 0.5–1.0 percent heavy water, confirming the success of Operation Gunnerside in destroying higher-purity heavy water.

Interesting time. Interesting read above.

Madame Curie was buried in a lead casket as her body was considered "low level nuclear waste" from all her time of exposure during radioisotope development. Marie Curie's Body Was So Radioactive She Was Buried In A Lead-Lined Coffin

Funny. Owner tells of his "exposure" at Point Beach Nuclear Plant. He actually got more exposure during the airline flight to and from Wisconsin. (The atmosphere acts as a "shield" to gamma radiation - flying high in an airliner removes the protection.)

Dobbin
 
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