EDUC Japan shutting down most college liberal arts studies departments

MinnesotaSmith

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From http://voxday.blogspot.com/2015/09/japan-cuts-through-convergence.html#comment-form

Wednesday, September 16, 2015
Japan cuts through the convergence
"The West would be much better off if it followed suit and shut down all of the social sciences and humanities at its universities as well:"

Many social sciences and humanities faculties in Japan are to close after universities were ordered to “serve areas that better meet society’s needs”. Of the 60 national universities that offer courses in these disciplines, 26 have confirmed that they will either close or scale back their relevant faculties at the behest of Japan’s government.

It follows a letter from education minister Hakuban Shimomura sent to all of Japan’s 86 national universities, which called on them to take “active steps to abolish [social science and humanities] organisations or to convert them to serve areas that better meet society’s needs”.

The ministerial decree has been denounced by one university president as “anti-intellectual”, while the universities of Tokyo and Kyoto, regarded as the country’s most prestigious, have said that they will not comply with the request.

However, 17 national universities will stop recruiting students to humanities and social science courses – including law and economics, according to a survey of university presidents by The Yomiuri Shimbun newspaper, which was reported by the blog Social Science Space.


"Not only do most people not need to go to college, but if you're going to go to college and major in a social science or the humanities, you would be better off not going at all. What is being "taught" is nothing more than dyscivic, dyscivilizational propaganda, contra the pretensions of the academics, the humanities now teach students how to actively avoid thinking.

Higher education has been entirely coopted by the SJWs who invaded the universities fifty years ago. As per the Impossibility of Social Justice Convergence, higher education is no longer able to perform its primary function. Japan's response is the correct one. Shut it down."
 

MinnesotaSmith

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I sure hope that doesn't happen here in the U.S. Who would we get to flip our burgers and bag our fries?

Oh, we have plenty of lawyers, gov't employees, diversities, and clowns who already have liberal arts degrees to take care of those tasks until the automated Mickey Dees all come online. After that, well, no ration cards for them...
 

jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
Wow! One nation left on the planet that understands the foolishness of "liberal arts" and "social justice"crap/frauds.
Very indicative of high intelligence. Probably why they hardly let any Muslims cross their borders.
 

Garryowen

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Wow! One nation left on the planet that understands the foolishness of "liberal arts" and "social justice"crap/frauds.
Very indicative of high intelligence. Probably why they hardly let any Muslims cross their borders.

If we had two brain cells to rub together, we'd follow suit.
 

GreenGecko

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My career was in technology, but I have two degrees: Liberal Studies, and Military Leadership

I think they complement each other well.

I found some of the Liberal Arts classes to be the hardest. They challenged me to think in ways I had never thought before. I have always been a technical person. Since age 12, owning my first computer. (not common when I was growing up) So, I am going to play devils advocate here, and say there is value to be found in a liberal arts degree:

http://www.fastcompany.com/3034947/...ceos-want-employees-with-liberal-arts-degrees
WHY TOP TECH CEOS WANT EMPLOYEES WITH LIBERAL ARTS DEGREES
AS COLLEGES ACROSS THE COUNTRY BEGIN REVVING BACK UP, YOU MIGHT WANT TO RECONSIDER YOUR MAJOR.
BY ELIZABETH SEGRAN
Venture capitalist Marc Andreessen once said that the average English degree holder is fated to become a shoe salesman, hawking wares to former classmates who were lucky enough to have majored in math. Meanwhile, PayPal cofounder Peter Thiel, who studied philosophy at Stanford, refers to degrees like his as "antiquated debt-fueled luxury goods." Faced with such attacks on the liberal arts, it’s no wonder that interest in the humanities is waning. As the college year begins, many students are likely to take President Obama’s advice and forgo an art history degree for a certificate in skilled manufacturing or some other trade.

Not to be outdone, defenders of the liberal arts are jumping into the fray. Among them are New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof, liberal arts consortiums and even a pair of cartoon crusaders called Libby and Art (get it?) who are quick to respond to people besmirching the humanities on Twitter. But joining this chorus are some unexpected voices: CEOs of technology companies.

IT’S A HORRIBLE IRONY THAT AT THE VERY MOMENT THE WORLD HAS BECOME MORE COMPLEX, WE’RE ENCOURAGING OUR YOUNG PEOPLE TO BE HIGHLY SPECIALIZED IN ONE TASK.
While the tech boom is partly responsible for the spike in students majoring in science, technology, engineering and math, many tech CEOs still believe employees trained in the liberal arts add value to their companies. In 2010, Steve Jobs famously mused that for technology to be truly brilliant, it must be coupled with artistry. "It’s in Apple’s DNA that technology alone is not enough," he said. "It’s technology married with liberal arts, married with the humanities, that yields the results that make our hearts sing." Other tech CEOs across the country agree that liberal arts training—with its emphasis on creativity and critical thinking—is vital to the success of their business.

So how exactly do the humanities translate into positive results for tech companies? Steve Yi, CEO of web advertising platform MediaAlpha, says that the liberal arts train students to thrive in subjectivity and ambiguity, a necessary skill in the tech world where few things are black and white. "In the dynamic environment of the technology sector, there is not typically one right answer when you make decisions," he says. "There are just different shades of how correct you might be," he says.

Yi says his interdisciplinary degree in East Asian Studies at Harvard taught him to see every issue from multiple perspectives: in college, he studied Asian literature in one class, then Asian politics or economics in the next. "It’s awfully similar to viewing our organization and our marketplace from different points of view, quickly shifting gears from sales to technology to marketing," he says. "I need to synthesize these perspectives to decide where we need to go as a company."

Danielle Sheer, a vice president at Carbonite, a cloud backup service, feels similarly. She studied existential philosophy at George Washington University, which sets her apart from her technically trained colleagues. She tells me that her academic background gives her an edge at a company where employees are trained to assume there is always a correct solution. "I don’t believe there is one answer for anything," she tells me. "That makes me a very unusual member of the team. I always consider a plethora of different options and outcomes in every situation."

Both Yi and Sheer recognize that the scientific method is valuable, with its emphasis on logic and reason, especially when dealing with data or engineering problems. But they believe this approach can sometimes be limiting. "When I collaborate with people who have a strictly technical background," says Yi, "the perspective I find most lacking is an understanding of what motivates people and how to balance multiple factors that are at work outside the realm of technology."

Employees trained in the liberal arts bring an alternative point of view in day-to-day decision-making in the tech workplace, but Vince Broady, CEO of content marketing platform Thismoment, argues that they also think differently about bigger questions, such as the impact a company should have on an industry. As a student at Brown, Broady studied religion, a field that emphasizes long-term goals, rather than quick gains. "You study people who dedicate their lifetime to their faith," he says. "Their impact is measured across hundreds and thousands of years." His academic background shapes how he thinks about his work: he wants to stay committed to building a company of lasting value, even during difficult times. This goes against the grain of tech culture, where entrepreneurs are encouraged to take risks but quickly move to new ideas when things don’t pan out. Broady questions whether "failing fast" is really the best way to do business.

Broady’s study of religion has also convinced him that leaps of faith are important in one’s career. If students are inclined towards the humanities, he encourages them to pursue what they love, even when others claim these fields are worthless. "There is always a story about a wasted education, about someone who paid so much for a degree and is now driving a taxi," he says. "But you have to have some faith that your education will not be wasted on you. This is about you and your specific situation; you need to make sure that what you learn serves you."

Ultimately, Broady believes that people who are passionate about their work are better poised to succeed. "If you don’t personally care about what you are doing, you are not going to be competitive at it," he says.

For women in tech, a humanities background can be an added liability, since there is already a perception that they are less competent at science and math. Danielle Sheer says that when she joined Carbonite, her first impulse was to hide her lack of knowledge and retreat at meetings. However, she quickly changed strategy, deciding it was more important for her to ask questions to fully grasp the technology. She’s spent hours tinkering with the software and working with engineering teams to learn about it. She says her colleagues are supportive, even if she sometimes slows them down. "By articulating complicated technical or strategic ideas in plain English, you’d be amazed at how much progress we’ve made solving problems," she says. "We’ve become very good at assuming that we don’t have the same definition."

While women have more biases to overcome, all the humanities-trained tech leaders I spoke with emphasized the importance of understanding their company’s technology inside and out. Once they have this knowledge under their belt, they have the unique ability to translate complex technical processes into clear, simple language—an important skill when dealing with investors and buyers. "The ability to quickly synthesize information and structure it in a way that is comprehensible to non-technical people is powerful," says MediaAlpha’s Steve Yi.

But perhaps most importantly, liberal arts training allows people to think about technology itself in fundamentally different ways. David Rose, CEO of photo analytics company Ditto, is pushing for companies to reimagine the role that technology plays in our lives. His recently published book, Enchanted Objects, is peppered with ideas from literature, fine arts and philosophy to prompt the reader to think about technology as the kind of magic that humans have always been longing after. "I’m so glad that no one asked me to pick my career as an undergrad," he tells me, remembering his years at St. Olaf, a liberal arts college. "It allowed me to take a broad range of courses and do things like study in Scandinavia. For a young mind, that is the very best thing you can do, because it allows you to come at questions about the world and new technologies from radically different perspectives."

Tech CEOs are generally keen to hire people trained in the humanities, partly because a large proportion of them have similar backgrounds themselves. (A third of all Fortune 500 CEOs have liberal arts degrees.) But for students coming out of liberal arts colleges, it can still be difficult to find work in the tech sector. Georgia Nugent, the former president of Kenyon College who is currently a senior fellow at the Council of Independent Colleges, says that top executives are not responsible for hiring entry level staff. Instead, recruiters and HR managers on the hiring front lines often use systems that pick candidates for tech jobs based on key terms like "coding" and "programming," which many liberal arts graduates will not have on their resumes.

Nugent is concerned about this trend because she thinks that training students for very specific tasks seems shortsighted when technology and business is evolving at such a fast rate. "It’s a horrible irony that at the very moment the world has become more complex, we’re encouraging our young people to be highly specialized in one task," she says. "We are doing a disservice to young people by telling them that life is a straight path. The liberal arts are still relevant because they prepare students to be flexible and adaptable to changing circumstances."
 
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GreenGecko

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That's complement, FYI. (My degrees are only in mere STEM fields, so I might be wrong here.)
Thank you for pointing out my typo, I figured out the buttons to press to fix it. I found, in my STEM career, that my degree did not matter, just my skills. I had to take an early retirement due to a brain injury, with my last job being a Senior Systems Software Engineer for UNIX systems. Again, I found the tech stuff easy. Three or four philosophy classes liked to have done me in.
 

BassMan

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I think it depends on what definition of "Liberal Arts" is used: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_arts_education

Liberal Arts has nothing to do with being a "liberal" of course. It dates back to ancient Greece, and was intended to teach you how to think. In modern times, though, it can also mean "basket weaving courses" so-to-speak.

A true Liberal Arts degree, in the original sense, seems very useful.
 

GreenGecko

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I think it depends on what definition of "Liberal Arts" is used: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberal_arts_education

Liberal Arts has nothing to do with being a "liberal" of course. It dates back to ancient Greece, and was intended to teach you how to think. In modern times, though, it can also mean "basket weaving courses" so-to-speak.

A true Liberal Arts degree, in the original sense, seems very useful.
Most of my course work on that side, was in History, Philosophy, Communications and Psychology. (some Psych, Communication, and Human Relations overlapped with Military Leadership) I also took World Religions, Earth Science and "Gender and Society" ; So, it was a mix. My original major was Computer Engineering, and frankly I am bad at math, thus I recycled and added to the core credits I already had. In my progression in jobs around applied computing, skills from my last job were important. One would be surprised how many jobs descriptions call for a degree, not a degree in a related field, as long as one has equivalent experience.
 

DannyBoy

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Do they have "basket weaving" classes in Japan? Obviously some liberal arts classes are useful, and I agree with the "diversity" thing to a point, but 75% of our programs are crap.
 

Seabear

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The irony is the classic Liberal Arts degree was intended to produce thinkers and leaders. Yes it has be coopted by liberal and social engineers, BUT when I was coming through over 30 years ago all it made me do is work harder to defend my world view against such Liberal Professors and made me a sharper person for it.

The bigger picture is kids today have no critical thinking skills to speak of as rule and that is what the elite really want. I am in construction and you could say my degree was a waste but in fact it has helped me far more than hurt me in my career. I had to learn construction aside from college but the degree helped in problem solving, communicating and in management of people which are all very important in my work.

The whole all you need is a tech. degree or training is not correct. I know plenty of Neanderthals in management who can do blue collar work but can not handle managerial responsibilities worth a shite over and over again across the board.

Learning is a life long pursuit and a good liberal arts curriculum can help jump start that if it is structured properly and affordable. I paid a small fortune at private college and could have gone to a state school, but I will say the class size and quality of professors made it more enjoyable and successful for me; versus sitting in an auditorium with 300 people and never interacting with your supposed teacher as is often the case at large universities.
 

Richard

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I still say a liberal arts degree can be something you can study at home in your own time in addition to a useful job related degree. Same as languages, they are useful only as another string to your bow.

Any subject can be studied at home given the vast learning resources now available, if I want to learn say medieval history I do not need to waste Government resources I can do it in my own time.
 

MountainBiker

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First, too many people are going to college. It used to be for the best and brightest, now it is pushed for the masses. Colleges in turn had to dumb things down so as to accommodate lesser qualified students. Part of the dumbing down of college curriculums took the form of majors that require little effort to graduate, and sadly, most of that falls under the heading of liberal arts. I do not mean this as an indictment of the benefits that the best and brightest can get from a good liberal arts education as Seabear notes above. For that group it can work, but they do not represent the majority on today's campuses. I used to occasionally do a courtesy interview as a favor for the kids of friends, acquaintances, and co-workers and can tell you that it often was painful trying to elicit what a recent grad (or soon to be grad) had gotten out of their 4 years. I'd be trying to give them advice on translating their college experience into their hoped for career, and all I could see was 4 years wasted.

What I would like to see is restricting public colleges to accepting the top 10 or 20% of high school classes, and making it very affordable for that group. Enrollment might drop by 1/2 or 2/3's but if school budgets stayed the same it would be very inexpensive to attend. Those who choose liberal arts majors would be the type that Seabear talked about, the ones who would put it to good use. The average or mediocre students that do not warrant taxpayer subsidies can find a private college if they really want to go.
 

China Connection

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These days companies are starting or have started to employ people with practical training to the field of employment being offered. Many now prefer those trained in colleges instead of universities as more practical training takes place in colleges than in most universities.


The other thing of course is most places don't want someone working for them that is head over heels in debt.
 
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Rastech

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Wow! One nation left on the planet that understands the foolishness of "liberal arts" and "social justice"crap/frauds.
Very indicative of high intelligence. Probably why they hardly let any Muslims cross their borders.

It's what happens when you discover that you can ignore reality all you want, but that never means that reality will ignore you.

This reality is going to be visiting large areas of the World in similar ways very shortly, and the collapse in Public spending Globally, is going to be epic.
 

Rastech

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These days companies hae started or have started to employ people with practical training to the field of employment being offered. Many now prefer those trained in colleges instead of universities as more practical training takes place in colleges than in most universities.


The other thing of course is most places don't want someone working for them that is head over heels in debt.

Yep.

It is being discovered (in many areas) that the expensive paper product in the hands of those leaving higher education, all too frequently is an indicator of unemployability.
 

Rastech

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I still say a liberal arts degree can be something you can study at home in your own time in addition to a useful job related degree. Same as languages, they are useful only as another string to your bow.

Any subject can be studied at home given the vast learning resources now available, if I want to learn say medieval history I do not need to waste Government resources I can do it in my own time.

Most of the 'useful stuff' used to be done with easily available day release and night classes (e.g. ONC, HNC, HND qualifications), with no debt penalty, as well as students getting a 4 day week wage with an employer, along with proper apprenticeships (7 year). Apprentices too had access to day release and night classes, as did anybody else of whatever age, if they were interested in a subject and/or looking for a qualification (night classes were really cheap, and I did them for the fun of it - learning welding, furniture making, and a lot of etc's).

To make the best use of proper apprenticeships, children need to start on them by 12 years old at the latest, so they get the most benefit from them thoughout their lives. It 'all went wrong'[tm] when the school leaving age was raised from 14 to 16 (while leaving for an apprenticeship delivered a handicap at age 14 - which made you at least age 21 before completion - pushing that to age 23+ was absolutely disastrous), which, given that apprenticeships are still 'education' should have been fully exempt, and really, nothing should have stood in the way of them being able to be started at age 11.

This would have meant that 11 year olds would have to have continued to be educated to a sufficient standard, for 11 year olds to have actually been equipped to embark on apprenticeships at that age - which would have remained a superb benefit to other 11 year olds who were NOT going into apprenticeships.

The standards imposed by the old 9 Plus and 11 Plus exams, were tailored for this, and the old 9 Plus exam, was to a far higher standard than the output from todays High School equivalent, and anybody passing the 11 Plus, would easily pass ANY entrance exam to pretty much ANY University today.

To me this is a solid indicator of how badly children today are being let down by their so called 'Education', and it is why, when I went back to College not that long ago, I found the standard of Maths, for example, of those attending College after the current regimen in schools, had left them being unable to meet the requirements of the old 9 Plus exams.

What is being done to the children, is worse than criminal, and if the 'harder disciplines' were so easily catered for by such prior systems, stuff like arts degrees would be a piece of cake under a similar system.
 
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Housecarl

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Hummm....(Maxed out on limit of articles for the month from this site....)

For links see article source.....
Posted for fair use.....
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/20...up-mergers-student-numbers-fall/#.Vw3yQqT5PIV

National

Japan’s public and private universities face major shake-ups and mergers as student numbers fall

Kyodo
Apr 12, 2016

The education ministry is considering a major realignment of both public and private universities ahead of an expected drop in the number of students, according to ministry sources.....
 

Garryowen

Deceased
Same as languages, they are useful only as another string to your bow.
Foreign language is helpful in stimulating one's brain to develop connections it wouldn't have otherwise. IMO it also helps to overcome some challenges to learning "disabilities". (We have become addicted to such language in modern society)

Generations ago, liberal arts would have included reading classics in their original languages. The Framers of the USA would have been comfortable Seutonius in Latin, as well as Homer in Greek, and I would think that such an education served them well.

OTOH, they didn't have to contend much with "gender" issues, except in their Greek and Latin, and probably never dealt with a "Sex worker appreciation week" in their studies.
 

BenIan

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I double majored in Microbiology (hard science) and History (liberal art). I think it's good to have a balance. The problem is kids go to school thinking that a degree in sociology is going to get them somewhere. If you want to major in 20th Century Transgender Micronesian Beat Poetry, you should also get an Engineering degree to balance it out.
 

Richard

TB Fanatic
Wow! One nation left on the planet that understands the foolishness of "liberal arts" and "social justice"crap/frauds.
Very indicative of high intelligence. Probably why they hardly let any Muslims cross their borders.

Moreover they are doing something about it now, I mean action not words........they have got the guts to call out the emperor's clothes, modern art is crap and useless and has been for the past 120 years.......

Most graduates with liberals arts degrees are unemployable and probably no good at what they studied anyway....... we need qualified people who can contribute to the economy for the most part......

If you have an ability in the arts then this can be pursued alongside your productive career in your spare time if necessary...........this includes writing, music, photography, painting, visual arts etc etc........
 
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Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
The irony is the classic Liberal Arts degree was intended to produce thinkers and leaders. Yes it has be coopted by liberal and social engineers, BUT when I was coming through over 30 years ago all it made me do is work harder to defend my world view against such Liberal Professors and made me a sharper person for it.

The bigger picture is kids today have no critical thinking skills to speak of as rule and that is what the elite really want. I am in construction and you could say my degree was a waste but in fact it has helped me far more than hurt me in my career. I had to learn construction aside from college but the degree helped in problem solving, communicating and in management of people which are all very important in my work.

The whole all you need is a tech. degree or training is not correct. I know plenty of Neanderthals in management who can do blue collar work but can not handle managerial responsibilities worth a shite over and over again across the board.

Learning is a life long pursuit and a good liberal arts curriculum can help jump start that if it is structured properly and affordable. I paid a small fortune at private college and could have gone to a state school, but I will say the class size and quality of professors made it more enjoyable and successful for me; versus sitting in an auditorium with 300 people and never interacting with your supposed teacher as is often the case at large universities.

The only "thinking" they want now is whatever 'thinking" is necessary for a student to JETTISON any "thoughts" that VARY from the professor's liberal ones---and to CONFORM.


FAR removed, as Seabear said, from the original purpose of challenging students to examine what they believe so they will be able to explain WHY they believe it--and thus have a STRONGER FOUNDATION for their beliefs.


One "humanity" (which it should NEVER have been lumped in with--forgive the bad grammar) which SHOULD be kept--if taught RIGHT---is HISTORY.


Already the elementary, middle, and high schools are devaluing and watering down history; college is the last chance many of these students will have to learn the TRUTH (if taught) about their country's, and the world's, history.


"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."---George Santayana
 

Richard

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The only "thinking" they want now is whatever 'thinking" is necessary for a student to JETTISON any "thoughts" that VARY from the professor's liberal ones---and to CONFORM.


FAR removed, as Seabear said, from the original purpose of challenging students to examine what they believe so they will be able to explain WHY they believe it--and thus have a STRONGER FOUNDATION for their beliefs.


One "humanity" (which it should NEVER have been lumped in with--forgive the bad grammar) which SHOULD be kept--if taught RIGHT---is HISTORY.


Already the elementary, middle, and high schools are devaluing and watering down history; college is the last chance many of these students will have to learn the TRUTH (if taught) about their country's, and the world's, history.


"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."---George Santayana

This is further proof that left wingers are incompetent and should not be allowed jobs in the public sector, this is my crusade, socialists are inherently useless at everything they do in the public sector whether teaching or in health relating careers.
 
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