REL GENRL It's 'Too Late' for America, We're under Judgment, Says California Pastor

Old Gray Mare

Has No Life - Lives on TB
The judgement can't be avoided, but it doesn't mean total destruction. Look at Russia's spiritual revival.

Israel has become decante and God has subjected Israel to his judgment multiple times in the past. He removed his hedge of protection and his judgement was served. Yet Israel still exists, the Jewish people still exist. They repented and the Lord's hedge was once again erected. Their eyes and hearts were once again opened to the Lord. The land and the people were healed.

I believe hard times will cause a revival in faith that many cannot even imagine. The more the faithful are persecuted, the harder the times the greater the restoration of faith will be.

Below is a link to the entire sermon.

"Too Late for Grace: When a Nation Rejects God"
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqJjF5aemj0
run time 1:01:25
 
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Shadow

Swift, Silent,...Sleepy
The pastor aside, if Biden stays in office the nation is being judged by God keeping him there.

If Biden is removed it is God's grace.

I pray for grace, but if it is to be judgement, the country certainly deserves it.

Shadow
 

Freeholder

This too shall pass.
You would believe all of that over my firsthand report from a good, Godly man who has known John MacArthur personally for decades?

Kathleen
 

anna43

Veteran Member
If you are saved, then God will be with you. That does not mean you will not suffer only that He will always be with you through whatever happens. I've thought for many years that our country would lose God's blessing due to the evil that has been accepted as okay. Abortion, sexual perversions, graft and corruption of government, self-centered me/mine attitude of the citizens. Sure there is a Christian remnant and perhaps with revival that might change things, but in my opinion the scales have tipped too far to prevent destruction. . . self-destruction or from another source . . . without God's hand of protection it will be ugly.
 

coalcracker

Veteran Member
Just a personal observation...

I remember as a young man growing up, in the Bible church when the preacher finished the sermon, every week people in the congregation would fall under conviction and go forward to kneel in repentance and prayer. EVERY WEEK. I kid you not.

These past 20-30 years? Not seeing it.

I remember going to Catholic mass and seeing the pews absolutely packed with people. Back then, the small town had multiple Catholic Churches. Today? Only one church operating with just a handful of older people attending.

John MacArthur sees it. So do many of us.

Be part of the remnant. Choose life.
 

Daytonabill0001

Wheat or Tare, which are you?
You would believe all of that over my firsthand report from a good, Godly man who has known John MacArthur personally for decades?

Kathleen
Don't take offense but why would I take your word when you admit that you don't personally know JMac?

I don't know you and you haven't published any you tubes presenting your story. What you said is actually 2nd hand BUT There's plenty of documentation, public records and 1st hand testimony out there to point JMac out as a hypocrite AND a liar.

Additionally, I've reviewed some of his doctrines personally and even found others taking issue with the same things I have a problem with concerning JMac's doctrines. He is a Calvinist and he has quite a few doctrines that run in direct opposition to the Scriptures.

That's why I take JMac's prognostications with a bucket of salt.

Besides, If JMac was right and we were under God's judgment right now, we wouldn't even be debating JMac. We would all be laying face down in a bloody field somewhere, stacked on top of other bodies.

I personally could care less how others feel about JMac, but as a fellow patriot, it is my duty to expose heretics when I see others making a heretic as some kind of hero. I've even pointed out that because of his calling others who also live opulent lifestyles as he does is hypocritical and walks in darkness. He even has the same slick tongue as Satan used in the Garden of Eden. I call his salvation into question based on 1 John 2:9.

I'm done arguing with those who are willfully blind despite what the Light of the Scriptures declare and reveals when shone upon heretics.

In my departure from this thread, I present these videos that shine light on JMac's false doctrines.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLooWClvCHQ

Roy's report - An analysis by Jew and Greek (If you were to pick just one video, this would be the one to see)
Run Time 25:45

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3BIwSLhqzA

JMac denies Jesus's redeeming Blood - Very good analysis. Run Time 19:16

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MdxOgBNz3hI

Outstanding contrast of JMac's smooth talking false doctrines and what the Scriptures say about salvation, sanctification and justification. Run Time 46:24

I believe Billy Graham was the last world evangelist.... the prophets warned us of coming judgment. Now its here.

America's cup overflows with abominations.
JMac doesn't like Billy Graham and I thank God that America's cup is not yet full. The Believers who are standing in the gap for the sinners of America are the ones who's keeping America's cup of Wrath from filling up. I admit that if it wasn't for the remnant praying day and night, the sinners would fill the cup fast.

I know that America's cup will someday fill up and she will be forced to drink all of it. It's not going to be pretty, but the time is not yet.

As long as there's prayer and intercession going up from believers around the world, America's cup won't yet be filled. BUT when the prayerers are taken out of the way (it's us that hinders the antichrist with our prayers) all hell will bust loose.

What did you think was going to happen when the Remnant is taken out of the way?
 
One has to understand that God deals with us on two levels...In the Macro (whole regions or nations) and the Micro, (Individuals and families) often He can bless an individual or family, while simultaneously inflicting Judgement on the nation that individual inhabits.
I do understand. No body listens.
 

Jubilee on Earth

Veteran Member
The pastor aside, if Biden stays in office the nation is being judged by God keeping him there.

If Biden is removed it is God's grace.

I pray for grace, but if it is to be judgement, the country certainly deserves it.

Shadow
This is the problem a lot of American Christians have right now. No personal offense, but why do you assume? If Biden is removed and Kamala Harris is president, is that God's grace? Or if Biden is removed and someone totally new takes office, is that God's grace? That person could be serving the devil and setting up the stage for the anti-Christ. Too many people look for signs and direction in current events or the way things play out politically. Our minuscule, finite little brains cannot comprehend God or His plan, and thus statements like this only confuse His flock when things start to go awry. Best to have reverent fear of the Lord and just trust in blind faith that it ALL goes according to His plan, whether in grace or judgment.
 

JF&P

Veteran Member
Some believe that Israel must build a new temple before the AC appears and the actual TRIBULATION begins.
 

Paladin1

"In Omnia Paratus" is more than just a phrase
Some believe that Israel must build a new temple before the AC appears and the actual TRIBULATION begins.
I'm not sure if it has to be built or just the altar dedicated and sacrifices resumed, but yes, there's a difference between the tribulation that we face today, the Tribulation that we will endure prior to the AC causing the daily sacrifice to stop again at the halfway mark and the absolute Hell-on-Earth that we're expecting in the time referred to as the Great Tribulation, also known as the Wrath of the Lamb.

And when the Tribulation begins, there won't be this question of "are we or aren't we". We will KNOW, without a doubt.
 

SouthernBreeze

Veteran Member
There are some who believe that the AC will actually be the one who allows Israel to build their temple ( a part of "The Covenant" agreement), but breaks that covenant at the 3 1/2 year mark when he cause their sacrifices to cease.
 

Shadow

Swift, Silent,...Sleepy
This is the problem a lot of American Christians have right now. No personal offense, but why do you assume? If Biden is removed and Kamala Harris is president, is that God's grace? Or if Biden is removed and someone totally new takes office, is that God's grace? That person could be serving the devil and setting up the stage for the anti-Christ. Too many people look for signs and direction in current events or the way things play out politically. Our minuscule, finite little brains cannot comprehend God or His plan, and thus statements like this only confuse His flock when things start to go awry. Best to have reverent fear of the Lord and just trust in blind faith that it ALL goes according to His plan, whether in grace or judgment.
I was thinking him being removed by replacing him with Trump. The thought did not make it to the computer keyboard.

Apart from my omission your comments are correct. Thank you for your clear thoughts.

Shadow
 

Annika

Contributing Member
I have listened to MacArthur many times but I don’t agree with his ‘chosen’ Christians before the foundation of the earth. I believe scripture says, “for God so loved the World........”. Please feel free to enlighten me but if MacArthur is correct then Jesus was just having a bad day.
 

DHR43

Since 2001
I have listened to MacArthur many times but I don’t agree with his ‘chosen’ Christians before the foundation of the earth. I believe scripture says, “for God so loved the World........”. Please feel free to enlighten me but if MacArthur is correct then Jesus was just having a bad day.
Good verse. Keep on going with it, though.

".....that whoever believes in His Son will have everlasting life." Those who believe (get on, trust, adhere to, rely upon) in Christ's sacrifice for sin redemption ARE His chosen ones.
 

Paladin1

"In Omnia Paratus" is more than just a phrase
Good verse. Keep on going with it, though.

".....that whoever believes in His Son will have everlasting life." Those who believe (get on, trust, adhere to, rely upon) in Christ's sacrifice for sin redemption ARE His chosen ones.
Here's what Paul had to say. This doctrine of election has been part and parcel since the very beginning.

Ephesians 1:3-6 KJV — Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
 

SuElPo

Veteran Member
I have many of John's books and have listened to many of his messages. My conclusion is he is a Godly man that the Lord has blessed and has honoured.
My dear husband ordered me one of his study bibles. I love his added research through out the bible of the various languages, intents and places of the cultures etc. I listen to all of his sermons I can. No minister or anyone is perfect, but he comes closest to preaching and teaching the word of God for me without fluff.
Susan
 

Satanta

Stone Cold Crazy
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The pastor aside, if Biden stays in office the nation is being judged by God keeping him there.

If Biden is removed it is God's grace.

I pray for grace, but if it is to be judgement, the country certainly deserves it.

Shadow
Except Biden was never Meant to remain in Office-those backing him came out and said so many times before the Elections.

What is taking Biden's place is going to be worse and it's not God's Judgement.

God gives us Free Will-all of us.

He doesn't need to "Judge" America-we've done ourselves in or allowed it.

Lots of countries on this planet do the same and have been fdoing so for ages-they, however, are run by a Few who keep their countries balanced better than our Hundreds who are simply Greedy shits and don't care if America falls.

Funny thing is-if they get their way, let's says they sold out to China. Afer the Fall they are still getting a bullet in the head from one side or the other-one side will label them as Traitors. The other side will also do such and not want them either.
 

Warthog

Sunt mala quae libas; ipse venena bibas
Guys I just don't see it. God's flock is being oppressed and the persecutions have been steadily increasing in severity. Not going to deny that many are falling by the wayside. The Spirit of those who remain true is being tested and strengthened.

A massive spiritual revival may be in the works. Maybe world wide? God has a truly wicked sense of humor. The left may underestimate or second guess him, not me.
Exactly right OGM. All the good folks voted for Trump and we were railroaded by the Satanist. Why would God be pissed at us? We all did the right thing?
 

PghPanther

Veteran Member
If God does not chastise this country for its terrible sins and turning away from his ways, he would have to apologize to Sodom and Gomora. God has shown his great patience, but at some point that ends.

Seriously does anyone not see that in today's America there is a remnant who seek to do his will, but if your eyes are open you see the downfall of the majority everywhere in the land.

Evil waxes over every part of the land. 63 million unborn murdered voices that will never be heard on this earth. Debauchery, hatred, good called bad and bad called good, corrupt rulers serving a debased corrupted people.

Pray for a great revival and keep your own lamps full, because the same lawlessness as in the times of Noe, are alive and well in this formerly blessed and protected country.
I am not a person this day and age that lives by faith but held it for 52 yrs in my life...............and the question I might pose is in regards to the story of Sodom and Gomora is that did not God state more than a few times if there were just a few righteous people that he would spare the city for their sake?

Would not there be within 330,000,000 or so people in the US some righteous striving soul of which God might consider sparing the country and/or towns in which they dwell in for their sake as well?

I think the story says by the time the Lord struck down Sodom and Gomora there was not one righteous one left to be accounted for within its boundary.......
 

anna43

Veteran Member
If you hear a message from a preacher, you should not take it at gospel. Its your responsibility to read God's Word and determine if the message is right with His word then you can believe it. I've heard messages from Catholic priests and other churches that I'm not familiar with their doctrine that were very Biblical. On the other hand I've heard messages from preachers of various denominations that were very questionable and yet others that had nothing to do with Biblical truths but were pure politically correct garbage. Also, you don't have to like the individual doing the speaking to gain insight from their message. Its up to us to discern the truth or lack thereof in any message.
 
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