WAR ISIS holds 40 pct of Kobani, could capture it- US adviser

Rayjay

Contributing Member
Just read that they were within shelling distance of the Bagdad Airport also.... efforts thus far don't seem to be slowing them down much....

Islamic State holds 40 pct of Kobani, could capture it- US adviser

LONDON, Oct 10 (Reuters) - Islamic State (IS) militants now control 40 percent of the Syrian town of Kobani on the Turkish border and might well capture it, Deputy U.S. National Security Adviser Tony Blinken said on Friday.
Blinken said as of Thursday, IS fighters had taken over about 40 percent of Kobani with local Kurdish forces holding about 60 percent, echoing figures from the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights.
"I don't know what's going to happen because again in the absence of any ground force there, it is going to be difficult just through air power to prevent ISIL (IS) from potentially taking over the town," he told reporters at a briefing in London.
He said there would be other similar situations to Kobani where U.S. actions may or may not be effective.
"There are other Kobanis in Iraq, there are other Kobanis in Syria on a daily basis," he said.
 

Heliobas Disciple

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I can't remember ever reading such a defeatist message being broadcasted from our military. It's like they're not even trying and they're not going to try too hard, if they lose, so be it. WTH?

http://complex.foreignpolicy.com/po...ut_kobani_falling_to_Islamic_state_syria_iraq
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Pentagon: We Can't Rule Out Kobani Falling to the Islamic State
BY Kate Brannen
OCTOBER 8, 2014 - 05:00 PM

The U.S. Defense Department offered a sober assessment Wednesday of the fight against the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, warning that the Syrian border city of Kobani -- along with other towns like it -- could soon fall to militants who seem undeterred by two months of U.S. airstrikes.

"I think we all understand that that's a possibility, that Kobani could be taken. We recognize that," the Pentagon's press secretary, Rear Adm. John Kirby, told reporters at the Pentagon. "We're doing everything we can from the air to try to halt the momentum of [the Islamic State] against that town, but that air power is not going to be alone enough to save that city."

The overall campaign against the Islamic State, Kirby said, is going to be long and difficult.

"There's going to be setbacks," he said. "There's going to be successes. There's going to be failures."

After weeks of Syrian Kurdish fighters holding back the Islamic State's advance, Kobani appeared poised to fall into the militant group's hands this week, but U.S. and coalition airstrikes have reportedly helped push some of the Islamic State fighters out of the town. Still, Kirby said that the fight in Kobani is not over yet.

Airstrikes near Kobani have stepped up over the last few days, with U.S. Central Command reporting Wednesday morning, Oct. 8, that aircraft from the United States and the United Arab Emirates launched a total of six airstrikes over the past day in the vicinity of Kobani, destroying an armored personnel carrier, four armed vehicles, and two artillery pieces. In total, the United States has launched 24 strikes against Islamic State targets near the town.

Kobani officials told a Reuters reporter Wednesday that the airstrikes had helped and that some Islamic State fighters had left the town. The fighting in and around the town led the Turkish parliament to authorize military force against the Islamic State, but Ankara -- to the frustration of many U.S. officials -- has yet to actually mount any strikes or send in any ground troops.

"ISIL does not own Kobani right now," Kirby confirmed, using an acronym to describe the Islamic State, but added that the town's fate is still up in the air. And, in what promises to be a long and difficult campaign, it's not just Kobani that could fall. "We all need to prepare ourselves for the reality that other towns and villages, and perhaps Kobani, will be taken by ISIL."

Kirby reiterated a point he has emphasized before, which is that the U.S. military is fully aware that airstrikes alone will not be sufficient to roll back the Islamic State's gains in Iraq and Syria. To do that, the United States, along with its partners, is going to have to retrain the Iraqi security forces, bolster the Kurdish Peshmerga, and build a ground force in Syria out of vetted and trained members of the Syrian opposition. Barack Obama's administration has flatly ruled out the possibility of sending U.S. combat troops into either country.

A reporter asked him, "Are you preparing the public, in effect, for the fact that not just Kobani but other Syrian towns may fall over the long haul of this air campaign until you have those competent forces on the ground?"

"I think we all should be steeling ourselves for that eventuality, yes," Kirby responded.

In Kobani, as well as in the rest of Syria, the United States does not have a ground force yet with which it can work, he said. "I understand that there are fighters, and they are brave, and we recognize the sacrifices they are making, but we don't have military-to-military -- we don't have a force inside Syria that we can cooperate with and work with."

It's going to take several months before that force is created and put back into the fight, the Pentagon has said, raising questions about what happens between now and then.

A training camp in Saudi Arabia is in the very early stages of being set up, Kirby said. And the vetting process, by which the United States and coalition partners will select Syrian fighters who can be trusted and armed, is still being developed, he said.

"There is a lot of spadework still left to do, which is why we were very honest about the length of time here -- three to five months -- until we can even get through that process. That's before you even start doing any of the training," Kirby said.

In the meantime, the Islamic State is also making gains in Iraq.

Kirby said it is now largely in control of the town of Hit, in Iraq's Anbar province.

While the Islamic State is still grabbing territory in Iraq, Kirby listed what the U.S. military views as the successes that have been achieved in that country. They include protecting the Haditha Dam and retaking the Mosul Dam, preventing two humanitarian disasters in Sinjar and Amerli, and keeping the Islamic State out of Baghdad and Erbil.

"There's been progress, but I don't want to overstate it either," Kirby said.
 

Heliobas Disciple

TB Fanatic
Here's another one - total defeatism. We're supposed to be the greatest military power in the world and we're too busy in Afghansitan to do anything to save this city in Syria? Why are they even bothering if they're not in it to win it? It's like they're all high on pot or something 'hey man, whatever, we win, we lose, ya know... pass me the doobie and that bowl of chips'. What's happening in Kobani is a massacre. Innocent people are dying. But everyone's watching Ebola so they can slide on this one. :mad:

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2014/10/08/us_options_limited_by_lack_of_drones_over_syria
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U.S. Options Limited by Lack of Drones Over Syria
With hardware tied up in Afghanistan, the U.S. military is forced to make tough choices.


As a U.S.-led coalition of nations tries to prevent the Syrian town of Kobani from falling into the hands of the self-proclaimed Islamic State, failure to do so could have as much to do with resources as it does with the flaws of a strategy that, for now, is mostly reliant on airstrikes alone.

That's because U.S. Central Command, or Centcom, is balancing growing demands for intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance (ISR) assets across Iraq and Syria with keeping an eye on Afghanistan, where the United States and NATO allies still have roughly 40,000 troops stationed.

A senior Defense Department official told Foreign Policy that with so many of Centcom's ISR capabilities tied up in Afghanistan, there is a limitation on what can be done in Iraq and Syria.

Ticking off the number of towns and cities that the U.S. military has been called upon to protect, the senior Pentagon official said: "You can't defend Kobani, Baghdad, Mosul, Erbil, and Sinjar," plus conduct strikes against the Islamic State in places such as Raqqa, with a limited number of ISR orbits to collect necessary intelligence. In the end, choices have to be made about what's most important, he said.

In Syria, the United States has also been monitoring the actions of the Khorasan Group, a shadowy cell of senior al Qaeda operatives who are reportedly plotting attacks against Western targets. The United States struck the group on Sept. 22, the first night of strikes in Syria.

But there are mounting calls for the United States to do more, especially in towns like Kobani, where Syrian Kurdish fighters have been holding off the Islamic State for weeks.

On Tuesday, Oct. 7, the U.S. military said strikes around Kobani destroyed five Islamic State armed vehicles, a tank, and a unit of fighters. According to Centcom, the United States has conducted 13 strikes near Kobani and one at the Kobani border crossing with Turkey.

But before U.S. jets or drones can attack a target, the military has to meticulously build an intelligence picture of the targeted area. It does this predominantly through full-motion video feeds collected by unmanned aircraft, such as the U.S. Air Force's Predator or Reaper drones. In Iraq, but especially in Syria, where there is no U.S. ground presence, building an accurate intelligence picture through airborne ISR is also crucial to avoiding civilian casualties.

In late August, President Barack Obama authorized manned and unmanned reconnaissance flights over Syria to start building an intelligence picture that could help develop specific Islamic State targets to attack. About a month passed between when the United States starting flying recon missions to when it launched airstrikes.

There have been more than 700 ISR sorties flown in support of operations in Iraq and Syria, according to Air Force Maj. Gen. Jeffrey Harrigian, the Pentagon's assistant deputy chief of staff for operations, plans, and requirements.

"We're working very closely with Centcom to understand what the requirement is, because, as I alluded to earlier, the situation continues to develop, and we're better understanding where we need assets, when we need assets, so that continues to be a discussion," Harrigan told reporters at the Pentagon on Sept. 29.

When asked whether the demand for ISR orbits is limiting U.S. military action in Iraq and Syria, a Centcom spokesman said he would not comment on matters pertaining to intelligence resources.

For the military, an orbit usually means keeping one aircraft flying over the target area 24/7. According to Mark Gunzinger of the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments, it requires three to four aircraft to support a 24/7 ISR orbit using manned or unmanned aircraft. A Reaper orbit (or combat air patrol) requires four MQ-9s; a Predator orbit requires four MQ-1s.

About half of Centcom's ISR orbits are tied up in Afghanistan, with no big shift in resources since airstrikes began in Iraq in Aug. 8, the senior Defense Department official said without divulging the actual number of orbits.

But that's all about to change, as the United States plans to draw down the number of troops in Afghanistan to just 9,800 by January.

Speaking to reporters last week via video link from Kabul, Gen. John Campbell, the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, said he's expecting his air platforms -- to include ISR, close air support, and medevac -- to be "greatly diminished" as the number of troops goes down.

That means there will be more eyes flying over Iraq and Syria, but fewer flying in Afghanistan, which poses its own risks -- both to U.S. troops and to the Afghan security forces.

"It's not really the risk that you don't have something overhead to shoot a bad guy when you need to. The risk is that there may be some group plotting an attack that you're just totally unaware of," said Paul Scharre, who before joining the Center for a New American Security worked in the Office of the Secretary of Defense from 2008 to 2013 on ISR policies, among other issues.

"We continue to work with the Afghans on what we will be able to provide and what we won't be able to provide to the Afghans starting on Jan. 1," Campbell said.

The final decision will come out of discussions with Afghan President Ashraf Ghani; Afghanistan's new chief executive, Abdullah Abdullah; Centcom commander Gen. Lloyd Austin; and the head of European Command, Gen. Philip Breedlove, according to Campbell.

The original plan to redistribute ISR assets from Afghanistan to regions outside Centcom's purview will probably be revisited, said Scharre. "Now, it's looking likely that a majority of them will stay within Centcom and be tasked with flying in Iraq or Syria."

The insatiable demand for ISR is not a new problem, said Scharre, but the situations in Iraq and Syria are bringing new urgency to address it.

"There's always been more demand than supply for airborne surveillance," he said.

Because most of those military assets are already in Centcom, pulling more from other regional commands isn't an answer to the problem, Scharre said. Instead, the Pentagon needs to change its business model for how it supplies ISR assets -- otherwise it will never keep up, he added.

The number of aircraft is an issue, but a much bigger constraint is the number of people it takes to man each platform and, more importantly, the number of analysts required to sift through all of the information they're collecting. Roughly, the military needs about 30 people to operate a Predator or Reaper orbit, but to analyze the information coming in, it needs another 80 people.

The Pentagon has to find technological solutions that change the cost equation, Scharre said. This could include longer-endurance platforms, multi-aircraft control by one person, or bringing in more automation on the information-processing side, said Scharre.

According to the senior Defense Department official, members of the coalition against the Islamic State are making small contributions in terms of ISR capabilities, but it's going to take time to get them more fully integrated.

U.S. export policy is partly to blame for the limits on coalition members when it comes to airborne surveillance, Scharre said. "The U.S. has been very reluctant to export its unmanned aircraft, even with close allies."

"There are countries we will export the Joint Strike Fighter to, but that we will not sell an armed Reaper to," he said.

Arab partners are using precision-guided air-to-ground weapons in the fight because there has been a concerted effort to sell them more of these and then train them on it, Scharre said. "That's brought up the level of participation, but we're not seeing that on the unmanned side."

With demand high and always growing, it may come as a surprise to know that the Pentagon had been planning to cut back in this area.

"The Air Force will slow the growth in its arsenal of armed unmanned systems that, while effective against insurgents and terrorists, cannot operate in the face of enemy aircraft and modern air defenses," Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said in February at a briefing on the 2015 budget.

Instead of increasing to a force of 65 around-the-clock combat air patrols of Predator and Reaper aircraft, the Air Force will grow to 55, he said.

"Given the continued drawdown in Afghanistan, this level of coverage will be sufficient to meet our requirements, and we would still be able to surge to an unprecedented 71 combat air patrols under the plan," Hagel said.

According to Scharre, these cuts stem from the Pentagon's institutional preference for high-tech capabilities. It would prefer to invest more in stealthy drones versus the worker-bee unmanned aircraft that provide hours upon hours of full-motion video feeds in places like Afghanistan and Iraq.

"It's a prejudice of the Department of Defense to focus on very exquisite, expensive, and capable military hardware, assuming the biggest threats to the United States come from countries with sophisticated militaries, but that's not necessarily the biggest risk to the United States, certainly not in the near term," Scharre said.

Places like Kobani could be forcing the Pentagon to rethink that calculation.

In September, Michael Vickers, the undersecretary of defense for intelligence, told an audience at the Intelligence and National Security Summit that the Pentagon is already reconsidering its plans to shrink its drone fleet.

He said the military would likely end up with a different mix of drones next year thanks to the rise of the Islamic State.


BY Kate Brannen
OCTOBER 8, 2014
 

Doomer Doug

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The NWO plan is bearing fruit.

First, in 1973 you shift to an all volunteer, Total Force Concept to eliminate the American citizen soldier.

Second, in 1993, you have Clinton declare the Cold War is over and gut the force structure and war stockpiles.

Third, in 2003 you have Bush junior destroy the US military with endless, permanently deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan.

Fourth, in 2008 you have the traitor Obama gut the US military like a fish, while increasing oversea deployments to 138 countries and further reduced force structure.

Fifth, you end up in 2014 with a smaller military, overdeployed, short of logistic support, and held in contempt by the Obama administration.

Obama is now deploying the US military in 138 countries. He is deploying them for Ebola. He is deploying them to fight ISIS. He wants to send them to the Ukraine, Syria, Iraq etc.

We are either going to have to reduce mission, or increase funding and force structure. What Obama is doing, like Bush junior did, is run the US military into the ground with endless oversea deployments, logistical shortcomings and mission creep on a grand scale.

It is a fact the 1999 Kosovo air campaign so degraded the US Air Force it took nearly a year to recover combat ability.

The US military lacks the combat ability to intercede in that city. We could send in combat support for the Kurds, but the Turks won't let us. The turks want the kurds on their border dead, so they won't help. The only good news is the Kurdish Peshmerga is kicking butt in northern Iraq and will soon be on the Syrian border with Iraq. This will be too late for the trapped Kurds, but that is the Turkish plan.
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
HD, the problem is that the US military is not being deployed to effectively deal with this threat and they know both that and that the Kurds alone can't and the Turks won't stop ISIL. The statements from the US military aren't so much defeatist as frustrated. They know they could end this quickly and that not being sent to do so means they'll have to do it much later at much greater effort and cost.

Recall the pictures from the Turkish side of the border of all of those APCs and M60A3s just sitting there in plain view of ISIL and visa versa. Erdogan isn't going to do anything until his hand is forced or he sees some advantage.
 

JohnGaltfla

#NeverTrump
Impossible. ISIS does not exist. Obama said ISIL/ISIS, like Ebola, was "contained." Sheesh. Publishing stories like this is, well, sorry to say...

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Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
The NWO plan is bearing fruit.

First, in 1973 you shift to an all volunteer, Total Force Concept to eliminate the American citizen soldier.

Second, in 1993, you have Clinton declare the Cold War is over and gut the force structure and war stockpiles.

Third, in 2003 you have Bush junior destroy the US military with endless, permanently deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan.

Fourth, in 2008 you have the traitor Obama gut the US military like a fish, while increasing oversea deployments to 138 countries and further reduced force structure.

Fifth, you end up in 2014 with a smaller military, overdeployed, short of logistic support, and held in contempt by the Obama administration.

Obama is now deploying the US military in 138 countries. He is deploying them for Ebola. He is deploying them to fight ISIS. He wants to send them to the Ukraine, Syria, Iraq etc.

We are either going to have to reduce mission, or increase funding and force structure. What Obama is doing, like Bush junior did, is run the US military into the ground with endless oversea deployments, logistical shortcomings and mission creep on a grand scale.

It is a fact the 1999 Kosovo air campaign so degraded the US Air Force it took nearly a year to recover combat ability.

The US military lacks the combat ability to intercede in that city. We could send in combat support for the Kurds, but the Turks won't let us. The turks want the kurds on their border dead, so they won't help. The only good news is the Kurdish Peshmerga is kicking butt in northern Iraq and will soon be on the Syrian border with Iraq. This will be too late for the trapped Kurds, but that is the Turkish plan.

Doug,

You left out another "option" that is always on the column behind the fold on the menu, that is using "effective" and "overwhelming" firepower when circumstances permit in such a way that we're feared again. The "scalpel like" strikes we've been flying thus far in Iraq and Syria don't meet that description at all.
 

Zagdid

Veteran Member
Our secretary of state claims to be a river boat captain. I think river boat tactics were simple. Sail up the river and kill everything that moves on both sides. Thus making the river safe. What happened to this guy. Did he forget why he's still alive? Or is he a fake? The notion that we can't stop ISIS is ridiculous. Using the tactics we currently have, deploying a million dollars worth of precision guided munitions to destroy one stolen hummer and a hand full of goat herders is a recipe for both failure and bankruptcy. Sadly we let our stores of Napalm expire. Still there are those wonderful fueled air explosive munitions. A match made in heaven.
 

Doomer Doug

TB Fanatic
HE, let me tell you a story that happened in Korea back during the Republican Convention in July 1976.

The US sent a group of soldiers to cut back brush in the DMZ. The North Koreans came out of their holes and hacked several of them to death with machettes. The result was Ford and Kissenger sent in a flight of B-52 bombers flying at low level over the DMC and buzzed the North Koreans.

HE, what we should have done is send those B-52 bombers, fully combat loaded, at 1,000 feet over the capital of North Korea and firebombed one square mile of government buildings. The USA will never take an action like that, HE. It doesn't matter which party is in charge. It doesn't matter what the provocation was, or how many people were murdered.

MILITANT ISLAM DESPISES US, HE. They know the PC lunacy infecting Europe and the USA will let them do pretty much anything they want. Militant Islam has carefully studied our technology, our tactics and strategy and has developed operational methods to defeat us.

We fight to live; they fight to die. We fight with rules of engagement; they fight without mercy, compassion or ethics. We fight short term, sound bite mentality; they fight long term, decades long effort. They are patient, ruthless and cunning; we are impulsive, weak and foolish.

Unless something changes in the mindset of the USA and Europe, Militant Islam will outlast us, outthink us and out breed us.

The ultimate weapon of Militant Islam, HE is a pregnant woman spewing out an endless supply of 17 year old potential martyrs.
The most common name in Holland last year was Mohummend, HE.
 

Richard

TB Fanatic
We have an Idiot Liberal Democrat in the UK who is Deputy PM called Nick Clegg, he said he didn't support airstrikes against ISIS until the "situation on the ground became less confusing"
what he wants is ISIS all to group together in a big bunch somewhere within reach of the jets so that they can all be bombed in one fell swoop, no kidding
 

Doomer Doug

TB Fanatic
Militant Islam adapts to any threat they face. They rarely use cell phones anymore since they realized they can be tracked via them, as in a hellfire missile blowing them up, or conversations can be intercepted.

They use communication discipline; they analyze when drones, satellites etc overfly and stop all activity. They go underground to prevent discovery.

If you want to save the Kurds in that town, you are going to have to use Predator drones, armed with hellfires at 1,000 feet. You are going to have to have 24/7 air coverage and detect every single movement they make. You are going to have to keep Apaches and F-18 and F-16 on station and zero in within 90 seconds of any move they make.

What they are doing is fly a plane or two in, bomb something they "think" is ISIS. They need to do high altitude parachute supply drops to the Kurds. And they absolutely need to KICK SOME TURKISH ASS TO GET THAT ISIS SUPPORTER PM TO ALLOW WEAPONS TRANSFERS.
 

tiger13

Veteran Member
"Sadly we let our stores of Napalm expire", They should have expired upon the heads of our enemies. we should never let good munitions go to waste.
 
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