Op-Ed Is Trump confusing everybody on purpose?

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Donald Trump is trying to confuse us.

Or maybe not. Maybe he's just perpetually confused himself. But it's evident by now that Trump not only has a habit of contradicting himself, but of delivering totally different statements within seconds or minutes of each other.

This is not a new trick. When pressed on a question they don't want to answer, normally succinct politicians can revert to speaking in pure gobbledygook because it makes the press less likely to report what they say. Reporters like a nice, clean quote; word salads do not make for good copy.

This was a truth Dwight Eisenhower knew well. "[T]he language of his press conferences was notoriously vague," the historian Fred Greenstein once noted. And it was vague for a reason -- he wanted to leave journalists unsure of what he had just said.

One great example came during the 1958 Taiwan Strait Crisis, in which Taiwan and the People's Republic of China nearly went to war over small islands claimed by both nations. Jim Haggerty, Eisenhower's press secretary, warned the president that he would likely be asked how the U.S. would respond if the islands were invaded from the mainland. There was no good answer to the question -- and a wrong one could trigger a major war -- yet Eisenhower was unconcerned.

"Don't worry, Jim" Eisenhower responded. "If that question comes up, I'll just confuse them."

And confuse them he did; the eventual answer was both long-winded and obtuse. Eisenhower basically gave a baffling non-answer suggesting that he knew a lot about war and that he'd pray about it. American voters were reassured, and Beijing was left, as Greenstein wrote, "uncertain what price it would pay" for taking the islands.

The stakes for Trump are considerably lower, but the vague non-answer answer is a rhetorical trick he keeps reverting to. And while he's considerably less eloquent than Eisenhower in his responses, the effect is the same: the press is left unsure of what he meant, or even whether he meant anything at all.

"Did he just announce a new policy?" we ask ourselves. "Did he misspeak? Reverse himself? Has he ever considered this question before?" The result is that objective reporters, wary of editorializing, produce stories that are really just transcripts of what Trump just said. Trump's message, whatever it may be, is then transmitted to the larger public, and they can make of it what they will.

We've seen at least two examples of Trump doing this in the past week alone. The first happened on Tuesday, when he was pressed by CNN's Anderson Cooper about tweeting out an unflattering picture of Heidi Cruz.

First, Trump insisted he thought it was a nice photo of Mrs. Cruz. Then he said that Cruz had "started it" because an anti-Trump's group had mailed out a picture of a scantily -clad Mrs. Trump. Then Trump blamed people close to Mitt Romney before bragging about how successful his wife had been as a model.

"Can you just leave wives out of this?" Anderson asked, finally.

"Absolutely," Trump agreed, before launching into another spiel about how Cruz had started it, and that he didn't want to talk about it, and that we should be talking about trade deals instead.

"Can you say tonight, though, no more such talk about wives?" Anderson followed-up.

"Oh, absolutely," Trump said. "I don't want to talk about that."

That was, what, three different answers to the same question? First he didn't insult her, then maybe he did. But only because someone else had insulted his wife, then there was something about Romney, then something about how successful his wife was as a model, then something about China, and then finally a promise to stop insulting Heidi Cruz's appearance.

Seven answers. Oh, wait, I forgot he also hinted that Ted Cruz had illegally coordinated with an outside super PAC. Eight answers.

A day later, Trump tussled with MSNBC's Chris Matthews about some of the Republican front-runner's statements about nuclear weapons. Matthews asked why Trump refused to rule out using nuclear weapons in otherwise conventional conflicts; Trump responded by asking Matthews why he wouldn't use nukes.

Trump tried to pivot to NATO, to the Iraq War. They traded hypotheticals. Matthews asked if Trump would at least say he wouldn't use nuclear weapons in Europe.

"Just say it: 'I will never use a nuclear weapon in Europe,'" Matthews pushed.

Trump refused, insisting that he wouldn't take "any cards off the table."

"Okay," Matthews responded.

Then Trump seemingly reversed himself, before quickly reversing back.

"I'm not going to use nuclear," Trump said, "but I'm not taking any cards off the table."

Ask yourself: did Trump just pledge to never use nuclear weapons, to never use nuclear weapons in Europe, or did he say that he was open to using nuclear weapons anywhere, including Europe?

The media mostly ran with the latter. But should he ever feel he needs to, Trump will surely insist he meant the former.

The truth, in both cases, is that Trump attracted a lot of coverage for saying things that were both a) incendiary and b) utterly meaningless and incomprehensible. And he does this all the time.
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Perhaps the single best example is when Ben Carson endorsed him at a press conference earlier this month. Carson said he believed that there were two Trumps -- the insult-prone showman we're all familiar with and a "cerebral" one we don't.

Trump, at first, agreed. "There are two Donald Trumps," he said, when asked about Carson's comments.

A few minutes later, at the same press conference, to the same group of reporters, Trump didn't: "I don't think there's two Donald Trumps. There's one Donald Trump."

It's very difficult to fact-check a sentence containing two contradictory statements, or decipher meaning from nothingness, particularly when the contradictions and meaningless statements come at such a dizzying pace. It's impossible to know how many Donald Trumps are lurking around in Donald Trump's head.

So intentionally or not, Trump has confused us. We have no real idea what policies he would embrace in the general election, let alone as president. And we have no way of knowing what he sincerely believes at any given moment and what he'll abandon with his next breath, even when it comes to his bedrock issues like immigration and trade.

Is this all evidence of sophisticated, Eisenhower-esque guile on the part of Trump, or is he just thinking out loud, inventing answers to questions he's never considered as he goes along? I'd wager it's a bit of both -- Trump is, if nothing else, a studied manipulator of the media. He's also not one who's shown any kind of natural understanding of the nuances of policy, a fact that many of his supporters would readily admit. He sells himself as a big picture guy, someone who understands elemental truths that the eggheads and party hacks always miss.

There is, however, at least one crucial difference between Eisenhower's vagueness and Trump's. Ike confused the press in a way that could still reassure the public; Trump, if the latest general election polls are any indication, has only figured out half that equation.

The article mentions Ike. Ike's delivery was so convoluted that TIME used to run an "Ike-ism of the Week". And his news conferences were the source of much hilarity amongst the scribbling classes.

After he retired, Ike was asked what was his greatest accomplishment. He said he was proudest of the fact that he never said anything that had an effect on anything.

The reporter was astounded and wondered if per chance, the MSM had been played.

Yup. His biographers have concluded they were.
 

JDSeese

Veteran Member
This ties in to my comment on the abortion snafu thread. I wondered if his spoken and written statements were contradictory on purpose, basically for exactly this reason. Maybe I was on to something after all.

The problem I see is that, while this may be an effective way to confound the press and keep ones options open after gaining the White House, it is more dangerous to play this game during a campaign - confusing the press is one thing; confusing voters is another. Even still, it allows Trump to be "all things to all people" to paraphrase Paul.

I've thought that even about his "Make America Great Again!" slogan. In many ways he leaves it up to the voters to imagine exactly what that means for them. People hear that and process it through their own filters of what they think is wrong with America, and it hooks them emotionally. So he has a broader base of support.
 

FarmerJohn

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Vagueness, having multiple contradictory positions, delivered with confidence and braggadocio allow listeners to impute their own values and desires. In print it doesn't go over as well but it does work well when delivered to susceptible listeners.
 

Breeta

Veteran Member
He is not doing it on purpose. He is not a politician! He is not slick with ideaology. He's a business man and handles deals with all kinds of people regardless of their ideaology. your average non political person is going to contradict themselves all the time. I do it. I dont always totally think through political stuff and how it's gonna look politically. I just have my logical opinions of how things are.
 

WalknTrot

Veteran Member
He has to do his homework, and that involves many hours/day of policy cramming for a Presidential candidate. He hasn't spent his life DOING this government policy work, and comes out of the starting gate behind the pros. No slam, just a fact.

If he wants to appear that he knows what he's talking about, eventually he has to actually know what he's talking about.
 

Mixin

Veteran Member
First, just because someone says he doesn't know what he's talking about does not make it so. One of the best examples I can think of is during one of the debates when he talked about China and the TPP back door. Several of the other candidates said he didn't know what he was talking about. However, several weeks later, it was brought to light that there is, indeed, a back door through which China could come.

Second, I think Will Rahn is an easily confused idiot.

"Just say it: 'I will never use a nuclear weapon in Europe,'" Matthews pushed.

Trump refused, insisting that he wouldn't take "any cards off the table."

"Okay," Matthews responded.

Then Trump seemingly reversed himself, before quickly reversing back.

"I'm not going to use nuclear," Trump said, "but I'm not taking any cards off the table."

I don't see anything confusing about what he said: 'I'm not planning on using nuclear but never say "never". The other example Rahn gives is equally lame.

Trump does have a tendency to jump from one subject to another. I have a friend who does that; when I complain, she just tells me 'learn to keep up.'

Another thing about Trump is he doesn't explain himself very well. As a multi-billionaire businessman, he probably is used to dealing with people on the same level as he is = little need for explaining stuff.
 

Hansa44

Justine Case
I don't believe he is trying to confuse anyone. But since he's gone round and round about this same damn subject I HAVE to post my 2 cents worth. And it's not about abortion. Did anyone actually hear what Chris M. did and said and did to Trump? I thought not and you know why you didn't hear him? Because the media (Fox) cut all the info, pertaining to abortion before CM DEMANDED an answer, Trump finally answered with "yes". He told CM that was a question he'd have to look at very carefully before he could answer.

And he meant it. He didn't become a top business man by taking questions lightly. He was asked how much sleep he got and said if there is a problem he needs to look at carefully, maybe none. He would take that problem and look at all night long at every possible direction.

He wanted to look very closely at this situation but Chris wouldnt let him. How did that work for you Chris ? Donald got lots of attention and Chris got a whole lot of really bad publicity.

So I'm am pretty sure Trump knew what he was doing. He wanted CM to stfu and knew how to do it.;):D
 

Be Well

may all be well
I don't believe he is trying to confuse anyone. But since he's gone round and round about this same damn subject I HAVE to post my 2 cents worth. And it's not about abortion. Did anyone actually hear what Chris M. did and said and did to Trump? I thought not and you know why you didn't hear him? Because the media (Fox) cut all the info, pertaining to abortion before CM DEMANDED an answer, Trump finally answered with "yes". He told CM that was a question he'd have to look at very carefully before he could answer.

And he meant it. He didn't become a top business man by taking questions lightly. He was asked how much sleep he got and said if there is a problem he needs to look at carefully, maybe none. He would take that problem and look at all night long at every possible direction.

He wanted to look very closely at this situation but Chris wouldnt let him. How did that work for you Chris ? Donald got lots of attention and Chris got a whole lot of really bad publicity.

So I'm am pretty sure Trump knew what he was doing. He wanted CM to stfu and knew how to do it.;):D

Basically, any MSM article uses dirty tactics such as lies, innuendo, out of context statements, etc. Just about every interview is hostile, using "gotcha" questions, hectoring, insults, and worse. Anyone who takes MSM interviews, articles, news pieces or the like as factual is downright gullible. There is only one way to find out what Trump really means and that is listen to HIM and not what other people say he means. And read his books.
 

Mixin

Veteran Member
Since so many people enjoy twisting his words, I think this is a wonderful idea! He did very well at AIPAC and I think Newt's idea would be very beneficial at a time when Trump needs focus on his positions.

Bill Mitchell ‏@mitchellvii 57 minutes ago
Today Newt Gingrich suggested 3 more speeches similar to AIPAC done on teleprompter by Trump laying out his positions. I agree.
 

shinerbock

Innocent Bystander
Any person who is confused about basic details of their own political platform is bound to confuse others, including the public at large and the media as well. Trump supporters spend most of their time (it seems they have a of it) making excuses for his inane blunders and blaming others for his ineptitude They have a full time job on their hands. Consequently confusion reigns within the stalled Trump 'movement' as they are overwhelmed by the knowledgeable operatives of their opponents who are making hay @ the expense of the amateurs with media maneuvers, the perfectly legal courtship of non-committed delegates according to the various party rules in each state and by the erosion of Trump's poll numbers in crucial sectors of the electorate.

It's a bit late to be cramming on party rules (which BTW are not subject to the interference of the judicial branch). By the time the Trump team gets up to speed the coup will have been accomplished. Matters pertaining to the election of a president require years of thought, planning and expertise. That is why Donald's head is spinning and why he's having to make nice with the party leaders. The RNC already knows that the door is closing on Trump's ambitions. They'll allow him the time and space to figure that out on his own.
 
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