Barry Natchitoches
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Social Security retirement and disability recipients who do not make enough money to file tax returns and who receive their monthly checks through direct deposit are SUPPOSED to get their money dropped into the same bank account that their monthly check is deposited in, without any action on their part.
Those in the retirement program and those on SSDI (disability for long term workers who loose the ability to work after many years of working) were to get their checks between April 29 and May 1. Those in the SSI program and those on VA disability were to get their checks between May 6 and May 9.
When the IRS literature and media publish information on why people might still not have their checks, or talk about situations where somebody might be inadvertently left out, they NEVER even acknowledge that there might be members of these groups who - even if they fully qualify for the basic $1200 payment - are not receiving it. Therefore, folks in one of these groups are NOT being offered help in trying to address the oversight. It is as if this group does not exist.
It makes sense why the IRS mistakenly thinks serving this group would be error proof, if you think about it.
Social Security programmers basically just got into their database and pulled out all the records of all the folks who get monthly direct deposits, and copied that data into a computer file that they sent over to the IRS computer programmers.
When it got to the IRS, they had their own programmers write a file that would move the money into the bank accounts of all the folks in that data file WHO QUALIFY to get the payments.
But before the IRS moved the money into individual recipients bank accounts, they would surely have run the data through a few checks first.
Some of the things their own programming code would have asked would have been:
Does this person owe the IRS money?
Does this person owe back child support?
Is this person claimed as a dependent on another taxpayer‘s tax return?
An answer of YES to any of these questions will mean that person does not get a stimulus payment.
Now, they are not want to send two payments to the same person. And there are some people who qualify for - and receive payments from - two of these programs. For example, there are people who receive checks from both the SSDI and SSI Programs (usually long time, part time workers who get such a small SSDI check that they don’t even get the minimum SSI payment, so the government gives them a few additional dollars through the SSI program).
So it makes sense that the IRS program code would check for this.
They could check for this by asking the question “Has a payment already been sent out in behalf of social security number 999-00-7777, or what ever number the computer is processing at any given point in time.
IF the program performed the check by asking the question that way, then it is not likely that any errors or omissions would result from this computer check.
But what if the program coder was not good with the English language, or was just a person who sometimes worded questions awkwardly.
What if, instead of focusing in on the person’s social security number, the coder wrote up the test question focusing on the recipient’s name and bank account number.
In other words, what if the test question the computer was coded to ask was:
Has a payment already been sent to John Smith at XYZ Bank, account number 123456 ?
If the computer already routed a payment to a John Smith at XYZ bank, account number 123456, then the computer would not send the payment on. If no record of a John Smith getting a payment in that bank account could be found, then the money would flow into the accountl John would have received his stimulus payment.
it makes more sense for the computer programmer to have written the code to look for a duplicate payment made to the same social security number.
But i have a very strong suspicion that the check was made using the more awkward check for duplicate payments by recipient‘s name and bank account number.
Why do I suspect this?
The reason the IRS is not even remotely considering the possibility that fully QUALIFIED social security recipients with direct deposit are not getting their money is because there is no human intervention in the transfer of funds when the IRS moves money into an individual, qualified person’s account. It should work perfect every time — PROVIDED the original computer code that is making the decision when to forward money into the recipients bank account is asking the right question.
The eminent social scientist Erving Goffman once said “if you want to learn how a system really works, just disrupt it,”
I believe my sister — and other folks in her situation — have managed ti inadvertently do just that.
You see, when my sister lost her eyesight, she was afraid to continue managing her own financial affairs. Or maybe it was the guy at the social security office who was processing her claim. I have never been clear on that point. But what I know for sure is that my brother in law - her husband - became her Representative Payee for social security purposes.
That means that Social Security actually issues her disability checks to him, for him to use in her behalf.
This is totally different from her being a dependent on his tax forms, something that actually would disqualify her from getting a check. She is not his “dependent” (as the IRS uses that word). She is his WIFE.
But anytime social security or Medicare send written correspondence to her, it is always addresses as “John Smith for Jane Smith” because he is her Representiative Payee.
IF the computer code looked for duplicate payments using names coupled with bank account numbers - instead of looking for duplicates by social security numbers — that would explain why my sister - and a few other fully qualified social security recipients - hace not gotten their money. Even though, at this point in time - ALL fully qualified social security recipients who have direct deposit are now supposed to have their money.
Does this sound logical?
If so, how do I get the word to the IRS that there may be some fully qualified social security recipients who have not gotten their money yet?
(Thank you for reading such a long post)
Those in the retirement program and those on SSDI (disability for long term workers who loose the ability to work after many years of working) were to get their checks between April 29 and May 1. Those in the SSI program and those on VA disability were to get their checks between May 6 and May 9.
When the IRS literature and media publish information on why people might still not have their checks, or talk about situations where somebody might be inadvertently left out, they NEVER even acknowledge that there might be members of these groups who - even if they fully qualify for the basic $1200 payment - are not receiving it. Therefore, folks in one of these groups are NOT being offered help in trying to address the oversight. It is as if this group does not exist.
It makes sense why the IRS mistakenly thinks serving this group would be error proof, if you think about it.
Social Security programmers basically just got into their database and pulled out all the records of all the folks who get monthly direct deposits, and copied that data into a computer file that they sent over to the IRS computer programmers.
When it got to the IRS, they had their own programmers write a file that would move the money into the bank accounts of all the folks in that data file WHO QUALIFY to get the payments.
But before the IRS moved the money into individual recipients bank accounts, they would surely have run the data through a few checks first.
Some of the things their own programming code would have asked would have been:
Does this person owe the IRS money?
Does this person owe back child support?
Is this person claimed as a dependent on another taxpayer‘s tax return?
An answer of YES to any of these questions will mean that person does not get a stimulus payment.
Now, they are not want to send two payments to the same person. And there are some people who qualify for - and receive payments from - two of these programs. For example, there are people who receive checks from both the SSDI and SSI Programs (usually long time, part time workers who get such a small SSDI check that they don’t even get the minimum SSI payment, so the government gives them a few additional dollars through the SSI program).
So it makes sense that the IRS program code would check for this.
They could check for this by asking the question “Has a payment already been sent out in behalf of social security number 999-00-7777, or what ever number the computer is processing at any given point in time.
IF the program performed the check by asking the question that way, then it is not likely that any errors or omissions would result from this computer check.
But what if the program coder was not good with the English language, or was just a person who sometimes worded questions awkwardly.
What if, instead of focusing in on the person’s social security number, the coder wrote up the test question focusing on the recipient’s name and bank account number.
In other words, what if the test question the computer was coded to ask was:
Has a payment already been sent to John Smith at XYZ Bank, account number 123456 ?
If the computer already routed a payment to a John Smith at XYZ bank, account number 123456, then the computer would not send the payment on. If no record of a John Smith getting a payment in that bank account could be found, then the money would flow into the accountl John would have received his stimulus payment.
it makes more sense for the computer programmer to have written the code to look for a duplicate payment made to the same social security number.
But i have a very strong suspicion that the check was made using the more awkward check for duplicate payments by recipient‘s name and bank account number.
Why do I suspect this?
The reason the IRS is not even remotely considering the possibility that fully QUALIFIED social security recipients with direct deposit are not getting their money is because there is no human intervention in the transfer of funds when the IRS moves money into an individual, qualified person’s account. It should work perfect every time — PROVIDED the original computer code that is making the decision when to forward money into the recipients bank account is asking the right question.
The eminent social scientist Erving Goffman once said “if you want to learn how a system really works, just disrupt it,”
I believe my sister — and other folks in her situation — have managed ti inadvertently do just that.
You see, when my sister lost her eyesight, she was afraid to continue managing her own financial affairs. Or maybe it was the guy at the social security office who was processing her claim. I have never been clear on that point. But what I know for sure is that my brother in law - her husband - became her Representative Payee for social security purposes.
That means that Social Security actually issues her disability checks to him, for him to use in her behalf.
This is totally different from her being a dependent on his tax forms, something that actually would disqualify her from getting a check. She is not his “dependent” (as the IRS uses that word). She is his WIFE.
But anytime social security or Medicare send written correspondence to her, it is always addresses as “John Smith for Jane Smith” because he is her Representiative Payee.
IF the computer code looked for duplicate payments using names coupled with bank account numbers - instead of looking for duplicates by social security numbers — that would explain why my sister - and a few other fully qualified social security recipients - hace not gotten their money. Even though, at this point in time - ALL fully qualified social security recipients who have direct deposit are now supposed to have their money.
Does this sound logical?
If so, how do I get the word to the IRS that there may be some fully qualified social security recipients who have not gotten their money yet?
(Thank you for reading such a long post)
