[intl] Mideast Update sunday 12-02

mutter

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morning everyone.....:( [couldn`t sleep]

[thread fair use for educational purposes]

with all that is happening at the moment, you may want to listen to j-post for israeli news:

http://www.jpost.com/Radio/


Jerusalem reeling in wake of attack



Ten people are dead and over 180 wounded as the toll in the wake of a triple terror attack in Jerusalem continued to rise throughout the night.

110 people are hospitalized at area hospitals.

Seventeen are listed in serious to very serious condition at all three Jerusalem hospitals, 22 sustained moderate wounds and dozens of others sufferered from more minor wounds, Israel Radio reports at this hour.

Many of the seriously wounded are suffering from head wounds, according to Dr. Shmuel Shapira, director of Hadassah-University Hospital, Ein Kerem.

Foreign Minister Shimon Peres said it was "one of the worst (attacks) we have ever seen."

Peres will convene a session of the security cabinet at 10:00.

Defense Minister Binyamin Ben-Eliezer wil also assess the situation at a meeting at the Defense Ministry today.

Prime Minister Ariel Sharon will cut short his trip to the US, returning to Israel after his meeting with President George W. Bush at 19:00 Israel time.

US envoy Anthony Zinni has cancelled all scheduled meeting this morning and is consulting with Administration officials as to further steps in the region, Army Radio said.

In a statement issued last night, the Palestinian Authority condemned the terror attacks, expressing its "deep anger ... and pain" and accusing those behind it of trying to derail a US peace initiative.

"This is a great catastrophe. There are many, many casualties," said Health Minister Nissim Dahan, who was touring area hospitals. "We are almost at the limit of our capacity to take in the wounded."

Dahan recommended that Prime Minister Ariel Sharon not cut short his visit to the US, and continue with planned meetings with President George W. Bush and other Administration leaders.

Two suicide bombers blew themselves up at two locations on the Ben Yehuda pedestrian mall shortly before 11:45 last night.

Shortly thereafter a car bomb blew up in an alley near the scene of the first two blasts as rescue crews were arriving on the scene.

Several mortar shells were hidden in the vehicle.

No group has officially taken responsibility for the attacks.

However, a Hamas radio station in Palestinian Authority controlled areas is broadcasting joyous music and congratulating those who carried out the attack, Israel Channel One television said.

The blasts were so powerful that they shattered the windows of cars parked a block away.

Blood was splattered across store fronts, and bits of flesh and metal bolts from the explosives were strewn on the ground.

Patrons of cafes huddled indoors, behind closed doors. A young man and woman sitting in the corner of one cafe held on to each other. Teen-age girls and boys were screaming and crying into mobile phones, talking to their parents, trying to find their friends in the chaos.

Shortly after the suicide bombings, an explosion went off in a car parked near the mall, said Police Chief Mickey Levy. Apparently no one was hurt in that explosion. At the sound of the third explosion, pedestrians ran up the street in a panic.

The Ben Yehuda mall is usually packed with young Israelis on Saturday evening. The mall has been the target of suicide attacks in the past, including in 1997.

Just up the block, on the corner of King George and Jaffa streets, a suicide bomber blew himself up last summer in a crowded pizzeria, killing himself and 15 diners.

Abdel Aziz Rantisi, a Hamas leader in the Gaza Strip, did not claim responsibility on behalf of the group, but said Hamas would continue carrying out attacks.

"We have said several times that we are not going to accept the occupation to remain in our land," Rantisi said. "We are fighting Jewish terrorism, we are fighting the killers and defending our freedom, our stability and our dignity."

IDF forces have tightened the closure around Tulkarm, Nablus and Jenin, Army Radio said.
 
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mutter

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Last update - 10:52 02/12/2001


One Israeli killed, four injured in attack near Gaza settlement

By Amos Harel, Ha'aretz Correspondent and agencies




An Israeli man was killed and four people injured Sunday morning when two Palestinian gunmen opened fire on passing cars near the northern Gaza settlement of Alei Sinai.

After firing on the car, the gunmen fled to a firing range used by the IDF and which is located between the settlements of Alei Sinai and Nisanit. A gunbattle ensued during which an IDF tank found and killed both gunmen. Army Radio reported that the two were dressed in IDF uniforms.

Three mortars were fired at settlements in Gaza in the course of Sunday morning. There were no injuries.

Security forces arrested nine Palestinians overnight Sunday near the Islamic University in the town of Abu Dis near Jerusalem. Those arrested are thought to be relatives of the suicide bombers who carried out the attacks late Sunday night in Jerusalem, killing 10 people.
 

mutter

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a little on-scenes of aftermath of bombing last night

01:22 Dec-02-01, 17 Kislev 5762

Police Evacuate Arabs from Downtown Jerusalem

(IsraelNationalNews.com) Police have evacuated Arab laborers from downtown Jerusalem to prevent them from being targeted in revenge attacks.

Shouts of “Death to Arabs” can be heard in the streets of the capital following the latest attack that has left over 150 wounded and at this time, six persons are confirmed to have been killed.
 

mutter

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07:47 Dec-02-01, 17 Kislev 5762

IDF Officers & NCOs Must Carry Sidearms

(IsraelNationalNews.com) A new army regulation demanding that officers and non-commissioned officers carry a sidearm goes into effect today.

The new regulation was implemented as another measure to place additional responsible persons on the streets with a weapon as Israel’s security continues to deteriorate.
 

mutter

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Blast rocks Pak consulate in Iran




EHRAN: A bomb placed near the Pakistani consulate in the southeastern Iranian city of Zahedan wounded one person when it exploded late on Saturday, residents said.

The conservative Iranian Jomhuri Eslami daily said the consulate building had not been damaged.

"The explosion was quite powerful because the windows of several buildings were broken," one resident contacted by telephone from Tehran told AFP.

No official information was available on the blast.

Zahedan, in Iran's Sistan Baluchistan province, is close to the borders of both Afghanistan and Pakistan and has a large community of Afghan refugees.

On October 12 windows in the consulate were smashed by some of several thousand demonstrators, Iranian and Afghan, protesting US attacks on Afghanistan as well as Pakistani "treachery" in approving them.

Zahedan has a population of some 500,000, including 200,000 Afghans.
( AFP )

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow.asp?art_id=1252255588
 

mutter

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Islamic Jihad claims Jerusalem suicide attacks




ONDON: Palestinian militant Islamic Jihad group claimed responsibility for suicide attacks in Jerusalem that left at least 12 dead and more than 170 injured, the BBC reported on Sunday.


A BBC spokeswoman said that a call was made to the BBC office in Jerusalem from someone claiming to represent the group. "We did receive a call in our Jerusalem bureau from a caller who claimed to be from Islamic Jihad," she said, adding "it was just before midnight, in time for our midnight bulletin pretty soon after the attack."

BBC correspondent Orla Guerin, in a report from Jerusalem, said that the caller also claimed that there would be more attacks against Israel during the Muslim holy month of Ramzan, which lasts another two weeks.

The spate of attacks occurred late on Saturday in Jerusalem.

First, two suicide bombers blew themselves up simultaneously some 50 metres apart in a pedestrian precinct on west Jerusalem's Ben Yehuda Street, killing 10 and wounding some 170 people.

The bombs, packed with nuts and bolts for deadlier effect, wreaked havoc in the precinct, where mainly young Israelis crowded bars, restaurants and cafes following the end of the Sabbath day of rest.

About 20 minutes later, as police and ambulances struggled to evacuate the injured, a car bomb exploded in a nearby side street, without causing injuries but sowing further panic in the crowded district.

Israeli prime minister Ariel Sharon was expected home later on Sunday after a meeting in Washington with US president George W. Bush, to chair a session of the security cabinet.
( AFP )

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow.asp?art_ID=1347188392
 

mutter

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(11:20) Hamas takes responsibility for Gaza Strip shooting



Hamas took responsibility for this morning's Gaza Strip shooting attack that killed one Israeli and wounded five.

The Izzadin Kassam military wing said in a statement issued to Qatar's al-Jazeera satellite television that Jihad Masri, 17, and Maslama Araraj, from Beit Lihiya in the Gaza Strip were the two gunmen, Army Radio said.
 

mutter

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there is a seriousness and resolve in these statements that seems much stronger than after previous bombing attacks in the mideast. leading me to wonder if this time was one time too many, eh? :(


Bush Horrified by 'Acts of Murder'

WASHINGTON (AP) - President Bush, expressing horror and anger at suicide bomber attacks Saturday in Israel, issued a strong admonition to Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat to fight terrorism with actions - not just words.

``Now more than ever, Chairman Arafat and the Palestinian Authority must demonstrate through their actions, and not merely their words, their commitment to fight terror,'' Bush said.

``Chairman Arafat and the Palestinian Authority must immediately find and arrest those responsible for the hideous murders. They must also act swiftly and decisively against the organizations that support them.''

Secretary of State Colin Powell and a special U.S. in the Mideast quickly relayed the message directly to Arafat in similarly stark terms and Bush moved up a White House meeting with Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon.

Two bombers detonated nail-studded explosives in a downtown Jerusalem pedestrian mall crowded with young weekend revelers. The blasts killed the assailants and at least 10 bystanders and wounded an estimated 150 people, authorities said.

``I was horrified and saddened to learn of the bombings that took place in Jerusalem,'' Bush said in a statement issued from the presidential retreat at Camp David, Md.

``I strongly condemn them as acts of murder that no person of conscience can tolerate and no cause can ever justify. On behalf of the American people I extend my deepest sympathy and condolences to the families of the victims and my friend Prime Minister Sharon and to all the people of Israel.''

Bush telephoned Sharon, in New York City when the latest bombings occurred, to express his condolences directly and arranged to move their meeting at the White House from Monday to Sunday so the prime minister could return to Israel immediately afterward, cutting short a scheduled five-day trip to the United States.

Powell issued an expression of sympathy for the victims of Saturday night's attack and reiterated ``our steadfast support for Israel'' in fighting terrorism.

``I have spoken with Chairman Arafat and have made absolutely clear that these despicable and cowardly actions must be brought to an end through immediate, comprehensive and sustained action by the Palestinian Authority by both the individuals responsible and the infrastructure of the groups that support them,'' Powell said. ``There can be no excuse for failure to take immediate and through action against the perpetrators of these vile acts.''

In Jerusalem, Israeli Foreign Minister Shimon Peres said the latest attack ``one of the worst we have ever seen.''

U.S. envoy Anthony Zinni said in a statement in Jerusalem that he had spoken to Arafat and ``made absolutely clear that those responsible for planning and carrying out these attacks must be found and brought to justice. This is an urgent task and there can be no delay nor excuses for not acting decisively.''

The latest attack came at a time when Zinni is trying to secure a cease-fire. However, since Zinni's arrival on Monday, there has been an upsurge in violence, especially by Palestinian militants trying to derail his mission.

Zinni has said he would not be deterred by violence, and would stay in the region as long as it takes.

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/htx/ap/20011201/wl/us_mideast_10.html
 

mutter

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BRKG: Another Terror Attack has just happened!


12:17 Dec-02-01, 17 Kislev 5762

Explosion on Bus in Halissa Neighborhood of Haifa

(IsraelNationalNews.com) An explosion took place a short time ago on a bus traveling in the Halissa neighborhood of Haifa, on Giborim Street. There are reports of injuries.

Additional confirmed details will be published as they become available.

:shk:

this is NOT going to help! i feel the 'alarm' going off now.
 

orion

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BKRG story...just reported on radio at 2:25am PDT

just happend 20 minutes ago....

Another explosion...This time it is in Haifa

Serious incident 1 bus exploded in Haifa ... at least 2 injured....
 
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mutter

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thanks orion for helping out! i knew there was more to come. couldn`t sleep. kept dreaming of mil. copters over head and me on a ledge of a high building! [ugh] here is a little more trickling in...


more on the latest bombing!

12:20 Dec-02-01, 17 Kislev 5762

EMS Reports Two Persons in Grave Condition in Haifa Terror Attack

(IsraelNationalNews.com) Emergency medical service personnel in Haifa are reporting that two persons are in gave condition following a bomb blast on a bus on Giborim Street in that city.

Additional confirmed details will be published as they become available.
 

orion

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Yeah, Mutter, I could not sleep either because of some nasty storms here and am listening to live news radio....I had modified
my report as a CBS reporter was on the radio live giving the
latest report from Haifa. - Geez, what's next eh?
 

Maggie

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http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=13917

12:31 Dec-02-01, 17 Kislev 5762

7 Dead in Haifa Bus Bombing Attack

(IsraelNationalNews.com) There is a great deal of confusion regarding the bomb attack on HaGiborim Street in the Halissa neighborhood of Haifa. A No. 17 bus was targeted as well as a charter bus believed to be transporting soldiers. It remains unclear if there was more than one bomb.

Police are reporting at least seven dead. The wounded are being transported to the trauma unit of the Rambam Medical Center in Haifa.
 

mutter

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OMG!


12:48 Dec-02-01, 17 Kislev 5762

10 Dead – 40 Wounded in Haifa Attack

(IsraelNationalNews.com) Ten persons are confirmed dead according to police reports and forty are wounded according to emergency medical service officials. Of the 40, 13-15 are in grave condition.

A bomb exploded on a No. 16 bus according to Egged Bus Company spokesman Ron Ratner. According to Ratner, the bus left the N’vei Sha’anan neighborhood at about 12:00pm, traveling via Halissa towards the Hadar neighborhood.

A bomb blew up in the Halissa neighborhood at the intersection of Yad L’Banim and HaGiborim Streets and appears to have involved a second bus.

At this time, information remains unclear due to the magnitude of the carnage in this latest terror attack.

Police are reporting one of the buses plummeted about 100 maters (yards) following the blast. It is unknown if the explosion was from a suicide bomber or a bomb was placed on the bus. Police are confirming the damage is devastating, attesting to the size of the explosive device.

EMS officials report at this time all the wounded have been transported from the scene. Most of the wounded were transported to the Rambam Medical Center in Haifa but some were taken to the Carmel and Bnei Tzion Hospitals.
 

orion

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The Haifa news are very scetchy. First it was 1 bus than 2 busses involved just hundreds of yards apart and now it was only 1 bus...

Nevertheless, the latest report is that AT LEAST 40 have been killed.
 

mutter

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the question now is will sharon even wait til noon today to meet with bush? and the most important......what will israel`s response be??

i am very concerned that israel will no longer be able to hold back, and that what began last night and now this, will ignite that fire over all of the mideawst in short order.:(
 

mutter

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update

16 dead in Haifa terror bombing

By The Jerusalem Post Internet Staff


At 16 passengers died when a suicide bomber blew himself up on the No. 16 bus in Haifa minutes ago.

Two passengers are in critical condition, police said.

At least 60 riders sustained wounds in the blast, Israel Radio said.

A second bus traveling behind the first was also destroyed in the blast.

The vehicles were traveling on the Giborim Bridge in the Hadar district when the blast took place.

A suicide bomber was sitting in the back of the first bus as it traveled from Neveh Sha'anan.

He blew himself up as the bus drove over the bridge.

The wounded were brought to Haifa's Rambam Hospital.

Some eyewitnesses say they heard two explosions, the second blast coming moments after the first explosion.

Haifa hospitals have issued emergency telephone numbers for those wishing to find out more about the wounded in the suicide bombing that took place a short time ago.

When calling from overseas, first dial country code 972.

Bnai Tzion Hospital: 1255145

Carmel Hospital: 1255142

Rambam Hospital: 1255144

Haifa Municipality: 1212466106
 

Maggie

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13:25 Dec-02-01, 17 Kislev 5762

3 Arab Terror Attacks Claim 20 Lives; Over 200 Wounded

(IsraelNationalNews.com) In the past 24 hours, Israel has suffered what is possibly the bloodiest day of the ongoing Oslo War. In the latest attack in Haifa, a bomb on a public bus left ten persons confirmed dead and forty wounded. 15 of the wounded are reported in grave condition.

This morning, a man from southern Israel was shot dead and 4 were wounded when terrorists opened fire on passing Israeli vehicles ten kilometers south of Ashkelon.

On Saturday night, in downtown Jerusalem's pedestrian mall, two suicide bombers detonated their charge, only to be followed by a car bomb shortly thereafter. The three-way attack killed 10 youths and wounded 180 persons.

For details of these attacks, continue to monitor the IsraelNationalNews.com homepage , and "Latest News" section.
 

mutter

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black Sunday in Mideast


13:53 Dec-02-01, 17 Kislev 5762

Soldier Wounded in His Head by Terrorist Sniper Fire

(IsraelNationalNews.com) A soldier was wounded by terrorist sniper fire in his head near the community of Ganim, in the northern Shomron near PA-controlled Jenin.

A military chopper has been dispatched to evacuate the soldier.
Additional confirmed details will be published as they become available.
 

orion

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It was reported at 4:10am PDT - Hamas said they were responsible for the Haifa bus bombing.

My gut feeling is that it's just about to pop over there.
 

mutter

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i think you are right about that 'pop'. take a look


13:51 Dec-02-01, 17 Kislev 5762

PA Evacuating Offices Throughout Autonomous Areas

(IsraelNationalNews.com) PA officials and military commanders are running for cover as Israel Air Force helicopter gunships can be seen in the skies over autonomous area.

PA commanders are evacuating all military bases and other PA offices are being emptied of personnel as well.

There has been no official statement released from Israeli officials. No additional information is available at this time.
 

Ellen01

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Mutter and All,

Thank you for keeping us informed of the ME and other world news. I just have a very, very bad feeling about all this. It's like the whole world is being overtaken by evil. It's out of control. I'm praying hard.
 

orion

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Mutter, I think this is the key....

PA commanders are evacuating all military bases and other PA offices are being emptied of personnel as well.

Someone seems to know that something is coming down and is on the run.
 
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mutter

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Ellen, you are welcome. just glad i am getting the information out to people......

orion, yep! think that pretty much says it all.


Jordan, Russia review Iraq question

AMMAN (Petra) — Minister of Foreign Affairs Abdul Ilah Khatib on Saturday called on the United Nations to resume a dialogue with Baghdad in order to reach an agreement on lifting the sanctions imposed on Iraq since 1990.
Khatib was speaking at a meeting with visiting Russian envoy Nicolae Kartosov, who briefed the minister on his talks with Iraqi leaders during his just-concluded visit to Baghdad.

Following the meeting, Kartosov said Iraq is not involved in acts of terrorism, nor has Baghdad any connection with the Sept. 11 terror attacks in the United States.

“Russia is exerting utmost efforts to convince the US administration against attacking Iraq, warning at the same time that such an attack is certain to bring about catastrophe in the entire region,” said Kartosov.

He said, “an attack on Iraq would abort all efforts for a comprehensive solution to the Iraqi question. An attack on Iraq while the Palestinian territories are witnessing a dangerous situation would cause very painful and unpredictable consequences.”

About his meeting with Khatib, Kartosov said the two reviewed efforts for a lasting and comprehensive solution to the Iraqi question through the resumption of dialogue with the United Nations.
 

mutter

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Syrian, Iraqi foreign ministers discuss regional stability

By Reuters




DAMASCUS - Syrian Foreign Minister Farouq Shara and his Iraqi counterpart Naji Sabri discussed on Sunday Arab cooperation and ways to preserve regional security.

The official Syrian Arab News Agency also said the two ministers discussed at talks in Damascus the extension of the oil-for-food deal between Iraq and the United Nations for another six months. It did not give further details on the talks.

Arab countries have voiced concerns that the United States might launch attacks against regional states like Sudan, Libya, Iraq and Syria which Washington includes on an official list of states it says sponsor terrorism.

Damascus has repeatedly warned against any attack on Iraq as part of the U.S.-led campaign against terrorism following the Septmeber 11 attacks on New York and Washington.

The UN Security Council voted unanimously on Thursday in favor of a U.S.-Russian compromise resolution that pledges to revise sanctions against Iraq within six months and extends the existing U.N. oil-for-food program for Baghdad until then.

Syria and Iraq, ruled by rival factions of the Socialist Baath Party, have worked in recent years to rehabilitate ties that were effectively severed when Damascus broke ranks and sided with Iran in 1980-1988 war with Baghdad.
 

Deb Mc

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http://www.menewsline.com/stories/2001/november/11_30_2.html


PALESTINIAN DISCUSS SUCCESSOR TO ARAFAT


JERUSALEM [MENL] -- Leading Palestinians are quietly discussing a successor to Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat.

Israeli and Palestinian sources said a growing number of Palestinians regard Arafat as having ceded much of his authority to insurgency groups in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. The sources said Arafat routinely passes over his security commanders to deal directly with the heads of new militias.

Arafat, the sources said, is not under any threat of being overthrown. But they said the Palestinian elite has been discussing a successor should the 72-year-old Arafat die or become incapacitated.

A senior Israeli Defense Ministry official said any succession to Arafat will be violent. The official, regarded as a leading expert on Palestinian affairs, said PA security officials are already taking sides in the struggle.

"I don't see a smooth replacement or exchange of power," the Israeli defense official said. "Even the Palestinians are taking the same line. I tend to believe there will be some kind of struggle between various establishments, maybe a violent one, an active struggle."
 

WYSIWYG

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MSNBC reporting that Israeli military to encircle all Palestinian cities in West Bank.

From same report, Arafat declares state of emergency in West Bank.
 

orion

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Death toll in Haifa is rising...

Sunday December 2 9:01 AM ET

Jerusalem, Haifa Suicide Blasts Kill 25


By JASON KEYSER, Associated Press Writer

HAIFA, Israel (AP) - A suicide bomber detonated nail-studded explosives on a bus in this port city Sunday, police said, killing himself and at least 14 people just hours after Islamic militants set off deadly explosions in downtown Jerusalem.

The wave of attacks - including a shooting in Gaza - killed at least 25 people besides the bombers and injured nearly 200 in only 12 hours. Prime Minister Ariel Sharon (news - web sites) decided to cut short his trip to the United States, moving a meeting with President Bush (news - web sites) up to Sunday so he can leave return to Israel later in the day.

The Palestinian militant group Hamas claimed responsibility for all of the attacks, which occured as a U.S. envoy was in the region trying to forge an Israeli-Palestinian truce.

Israeli officials blamed Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat (news - web sites) for failing to crack down on militants, and there was pressure on the government to react more harshly than in the past. One Cabinet minister said Arafat should be expelled from the region.

With Bush demanding Arafat arrest Islamic militants, the Palestinian leader called an emergency meeting of his leadership for later Sunday. His aide Nabil Abu Rdeneh said the meeting was to ``take a very serious and urgent decision,'' but did not elaborate.

The attack in Jerusalem occurred just before midnight Saturday, when two suicide bombers detonated their explosives at a downtown pedestrian mall packed people. Ten people, many of them teens, were killed, along with the two suicide bombers, and more than 150 people wounded.

Around noon Sunday, the blast went off in Haifa, a Mediterranean port city to the north.

Police officials said the Haifa bomber got on a city bus, paid the fare of about $1.50 and within seconds detonated the explosives.

``The bus came down the hill ... and as it leveled out it blew up,'' witness Rachel Antebe, told Israel Radio. Another witness, Yaakov Vaknin, said he heard a loud blast. ``I saw people flying through the air. I heard people screaming,'' he said.

The front of the red-and-white bus was twisted and burned, its roof buckled upward and sides blown out. Police explosives experts searched the inside of the bus, climbing over mangled seats.

Police officials said at least 12 people were killed in the bus and two pedestrians were crushed to death by the bus when the driver lost control. Rescue service spokesman Avi Zohar said about 40 people were wounded.

Hamas and its sister group Islamic Jihad had vowed revenge against Israel's killing nine days ago of a top Hamas militant in the West Bank.

``The Palestinian people are adamant on continuation of resistance ... until the defeat of (Israeli) occupation, regardless of the price,'' Abdel Aziz Rantisi, a senior Hamas official, said.

U.S. peace envoy Anthony Zinni, who arrived last week in hopes of ending 14 months of violence, laid a wreath at the site of Saturday's attack in Jerusalem's Ben Yehuda cafe district.

``This is the deepest evil that one can imagine, to attack young people, children,'' he said.

After the Jerusalem attack, Bush said Arafat and the Palestinian Authority (news - web sites) ``must demonstrate through their actions, and not merely their words, their commitment to fight terror.''

Arafat must ``immediately find and arrest'' those responsible and act ``swiftly and decisively'' against groups backing terror, Bush said from Camp David, Md.

Israeli officials said they were tired of waiting for Arafat to crack down.

``Yasser Arafat and the Palestinian Authority do not do anything about the fight against terrorism, and it's obvious that we will have to take this fight into our own hands,'' Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Emmanuel Nahshon said.

Gideon Meir, a senior Israeli Foreign Ministry official, said there was ``no question there will be a change in our policy.''

In a first step, Israeli further tightened its travel restrictions in the West Bank, barring cars with Palestinian license plates from driving on roads in areas under full or partial Israeli control. Troops also sealed all Palestinian-controlled towns, barring residents from leaving or entering.

Earlier Sunday, two Palestinians opened fire on Israeli cars in the Gaza Strip (news - web sites), killing one person and wounding five others before soldiers shot them dead. The Hamas militant group claimed responsibility.

In east Jerusalem, an Israel guard at a bank in the Arab section of Jerusalem shot and killed a Palestinian, police and Palestinian security officials said.

On Sunday morning, angry Israelis gathered at Ben Yehuda street in Jerusalem, chanting ``Death to the Arabs'' and calling on their government to move against Arafat.

Infrastructure Minister Avigdor Lieberman called for expelling Arafat and sending Israeli troops into Palestinian-controlled territory.

The victims in the Jerusalem attack ranged in age from 14 to 20, said police, who released their names Sunday.

The bombs went off around 11:30 p.m. Saturday, an hour when the Ben Yehuda mall is usually crowded with young people strolling and sitting at sidewalk cafes. The two bombers were standing about 30 yards from each other, police said.

Witness Eli Shetreet said he saw bodies being hurled in the air. ``A lot of people were crying, falling, and there was the smell of burning hair,'' said Shetreet, 19.

The blasts shattered the windows of cars parked a block away. Blood was splattered across store fronts, and bits of flesh and metal bolts from the explosives were strewn on the ground. Shortly after the suicide bombings, an explosion went off in a car parked near the mall, causing no injuries.

Palestinian security officials said the two Jerusalem bombers came from Abu Dis, a village near Jerusalem. The officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, said one was close to the militant Hamas, and the other recently resigned from a Palestinian security service.

The Palestinian officials said Israeli security arrested nine relatives of the two in Abu Dis early Sunday. The Israeli government had no comment.

In a statement, the Palestinian Authority condemned the terror attacks, expressing its ``deep anger ... and pain'' and accusing those behind it of trying to derail a U.S. peace initiative.

Palestinian Cabinet minister Saeb Erekat said that ``finger pointing and assigning blame is wrong. We're telling the Israeli government to come back to the negotiating table. As long as we live next to each other we need to make peace with each other.''

The Ben Yehuda mall has been the target of suicide attacks in the past, including one in 1997. Just up the block, on the corner of King George and Jaffa streets, a suicide bomber blew himself up last summer in a crowded pizzeria, killing himself and 15 diners.

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/20011202/ts/israel_palestinians_2166.html
 

day late

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16:44 Dec-02-01, 17 Kislev 5762

Haifa Death Toll Climbs to 15
(IsraelNationalNews.com) Another victim of the Haifa bus bombing attack, a female, has died, bringing the death toll to 15. Approximately nine persons remain in serious condition.
 

mutter

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thr 040
Iran-Syria-Envoy /POL/

Syrian vice president highlights Iran's regional status

Damascus, Dec 2, IRNA -- Syrian Vice President Abdul Halim Khaddam
here Sunday underscored Iran's pivotal role in regional developments,
including the crisis in Afghanistan, and said Tehran and Damascus
share `very close' views on certain global issues.

In a meeting with Iran's Ambassador to Damascus Hussein
Sheikholeslam, the Syrian vice president termed Iran-Syria ties as
'effective and tension-free', and said these ties set a pattern for
the countries in the region.

He said Syria's wide ranging cooperation with Iran have been
fruitful for regional states, and pointed out that a positive outcome
of such cooperation was the successful support for the Lebanese
resistance movements to oust the Zionists from occupied territories.

Sheikholeslam, for his part, briefed Khaddam on the latest
developments in Afghanistan, and elucidated Iran's stances on certain
global and regional issues.
AA/AH
End
::irna 18:00
 

itznate

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I heard in the mall attack all dead are between 12 and 18. I have a feeling there will be more attacks, seems hamas knowing the are on the us terrorism list, is have a use it or lose it attitude. so the may have more on the the ready. we need to tell our leaders to stop restraining the isreali's from protecting themselves.
 

mutter

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itznate, after hearing the sec. of state and pres. bush this morning.....i think they have already decided to give israel the reigns.

this appears to ba a check-mate time. looking very much like the last straw for israel now.
 

mutter

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Background / Toppling Yasser Arafat

By Peter Hirschberg, Ha'aretz Correspondent





The deaths of 26 Israelis in four attacks in the space of a little over 12 hours, had right-wing politicians on Sunday feverishly championing the destruction of the Palestinian Authority and the eviction of Yasser Arafat from the territories. But left-wing political leaders were less enthusiastic, pointing out that the alternative to Arafat could be even worse.

Almost every right-wing minister who stepped up to a microphone Sunday issued the same cry: Topple Yasser Arafat and dismantle the PA. "It's no good just eliminating terror leaders," said Education Minister Limor Livnat, referring to Israel's policy of targeting Palestinian militants. "We have to bring down the regime which acts as a hothouse for terror."

Infrastructure Minister Avigdor Lieberman, of the far-right National Union-Yisrael Beiteinu alliance, who has long advocated an all-out military confrontation with the PA, said it "is clear that it would be impossible for Hamas and [Islamic] Jihad to operate if Arafat didn't want them to."

Lieberman even offered his blueprint for a post-Arafat era: divide the territories into four cantons and negotiate with local commanders in each area, who he said "will not be taking orders from PLO Tunis... Not a single command post of any of the [terror] organizations should be left standing. This includes many of the PA security installations. There must be no passage between Gaza and the West Bank, between Hebron and Ramallah."

Asked whether his plan included assassinating Arafat, Lieberman replied: "That's not relevant. What's important is wiping out his regime."

Many on the right seized on the American campaign against the Taliban - as they have done since it began in early October - as the model of how Israel should be treating the Palestinian Authority. "We have to fight the regime that stands behind the terror, which is effectively what the Americans are doing in Afghanistan," former prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu told Army Radio.

"They aren't searching for each and every terrorist in al Qaeda," he added. "Arafat has to know that either he stops the terror or he will be removed from power. There is only one thing that concerns Arafat - his regime. And if he doesn't [stop terror] then the person who succeeds him will know that he will not survive a single day if he promotes terror against us."


There are those, especially on the left, who question the validity of the Afghanistan comparison, arguing that not only is the U.S. a superpower, it also does not share a common territorial and demographic space with Afghanistan.

"The Americans have not been occupying the country for 30 years," argued Meretz leader Yossi Sarid, trying to debunk the comparison between the two conflicts. "They also haven't built settlements in Afghanistan."

Sarid also attacked the wisdom of toppling Arafat and the PA, suggesting that this would only increase the popularity of the Palestinian leader. "I'm not so sure we can get rid of Arafat," he said. "The fact that you don't allow him back [into the territories] doesn't mean that you have gotten rid of him. It will just give him added power and added support."

Politicians on the left of the political divide also argued Sunday that however undesirable a partner Arafat is, chaos would ensue in his absence. Those who advocate toppling the PA, said Transport Minister Ephraim Sneh (Labor), cannot tell you what will come in his wake. The government's most effective option, he said, is to get the Americans and the world community to pressure Arafat with the threat of a "boycott and of being ostracised."

Labor Minister Dalia Itzik insisted that the only solution - she confessed it was not a panacea - was to build a security fence between Israel and the Palestinians. The reason why this separation plan has not been seriously considered, she said, is right-wing fear that the fence will ultimately become a border between Israel and the Palestinians.

"Their considerations are political, not security-related," she told Israel Radio, referring to political leaders on the right. "They are not telling the public the truth. They can continue to try and fool the public that it is possible to wipe out terror. But you cannot dry up suicide bombers. I don't have a 100 percent answer. But it is an 80 percent solution."

The debate over Israel's attitude to Arafat, however, might well be moot. The suicide bombings in recent days are proof, asserts Ha'aretz Palestinian Affairs commentator Danny Rubinstein, that the PA leader has "lost all control over the Islamic organizations."

Against the backdrop of Arafat's meetings with Anthony Zinni over the weekend - the U.S. envoy has been demanding that the PA leader move against terror - the spate of terror attacks further testifies to Arafat's eroding power. The attacks, writes Rubinstein, "are like spitting in the face of Arafat. They are a direct act of provocation against the PA chairman."

Over the weekend, Arafat's forces tried to arrest Dr. Mohammed al-Hindi, one of the Islamic Jihad leaders in the Gaza Strip. But al-Hindi's bodyguards fired at the PA men, preventing his arrest. This is the second time that the PA has tried to arrest al-Hindi and faced fiery opposition.

"In Palestinian terms," says Rubinstein, "what is going on at present in the PA areas can be defined as the rebellion of the Islamic organizations against the regime of Yasser Arafat."
 

Mrs. Peavey

Membership Revoked
According to the Jerusalem Post at 12:10, 15 people were killed in the Haifa bus bombing, and 37 wounded. Two of the victims in very serious condition, and 29 suffered light to moderate wounds. The bus driver was Shimon Kabessa, who said that the suicide bomber aroused his suspicion when he declined change for his ticket. A second bus was damaged in the bombing. Both buses were traveling on the Giborim Bridge in the Hadar district when the blast took place. The suicide bomber was sitting in the back of the first bus, and blew himself up as the bus drove over the bridge. Some eye-witnesses said they heard two explosions. The area is closed off as police search for another bomb thought to be hidden in the vicinity.

Foreign Ministry Deputy Director-General for Meadia and Public Afffairs, Gideon Meir, said that decisions would be made when Prim Minister Ariel Sharon returns from the U.S. but there was "No question there will be a change in our policy, because this kind of massacres of killing teenagers of killing innocents must stop."
 

Deb Mc

Veteran Member
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U.S. Says Israeli Response Is Up to Sharon

December 02, 2001 11:24 AM ET


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By Randall Mikkelsen

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The United States urged Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon to consider the consequences of any response to new lethal bombings, but said on Sunday President Bush would leave it to Sharon to decide how to respond.

"We're not about to tell Mr. Sharon what he should do," Secretary of State Colin Powell said on CBS television's "Face the Nation."

"But we've always said to both sides you better think about the consequences of what happens the next day or the day after," Powell said.

Bush and Sharon were to meet at noon at the White House. The meeting was moved up from Monday after Sharon made plans to rush back to Israel following bombing attacks there Saturday and Sunday that killed at least 25 people.

Powell said he did not know whether Sharon would share his plans for any response with the Bush.

In a carefully coordinated attack, Palestinian militants carried out a double suicide bombing and car bombing in Jerusalem on Saturday night that killed 10 Israelis and wounded 150.

Then on Sunday in the northern Israeli city of Haifa, a suspected Palestinian suicide bomber killed at least 15 people and wounded dozens more when he blew himself up seconds after boarding a bus.

Bush was to make a statement upon his arrival at the White House at 11:30 a.m. EST (1630 GMT).

U.S. officials cranked up pressure on Arafat to halt the violence and offered differing assessments of whether he was capable of doing so.

Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld expressed doubts on Sunday about Arafat's authority. In an interview on NBC's Meet the Press, Rumsfeld said Arafat "is not a particularly strong leader, and I don't know that he has good control over the Palestinian situation."

But Powell said, "I believe that he has a level of control that would permit him to do more than he's doing now."

He said he urged Arafat in a telephone call on Saturday to aggressively go after organizations responsible for the violence.

"I said to him ... you need to respond accordingly," Powell said. "He's got to go after the organizations who are conducting these kinds of acts of terror and who are claiming credit for these acts of terror."
 

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k, we have the turkey border filling with their troops. iraq northern border filling with iraq`s troops.the terror acts of the last 24 hours and all that entails. along with bush`s statement early in the week about iraq 'finding out', i`d say this article gives a heads up on iraq.


Saddam Chairs Meeting of Senior Officials


Xinhuanet 2001-12-03 03:30:09


BAGHDAD, December 2 (Xinhuanet) -- Iraqi President Saddam Hussein
on Sunday chaired a meeting attended by senior officials and top
military aides, the official Iraqi News Agency (INA) reported.

The attendants include Izzat Ibrahim, vice chairman of the
decision-making Revolutionary Command Council (RCC), Qusay Saddam
Hussein, Saddam's second son and deputy commander of the ruling
Arab Baath Socialist Party's military branch, Abdul Tawab Mulla
Howeish, deputy prime minister and minister of military
industrialization and Defense Minister Sultan Hashem Ahmed, the INA
said.

RCC member Ali Hasan al-Majeed, Minister of Industry and
Minerals Adnan Abd al-Majid Jasm al-Ani and other officials also
took part in the meeting, the INA said, without elaborating.

The meeting followed talks between Saddam and Iraqi Air Force
Commander Hamid Rija Salah on November 28 amid widespread
speculations that the United States might soon launch a military
campaign against the country.


In the latest warning to the sworn enemy, U.S. President George
W. Bush on November 26 demanded Saddam to allow arms inspectors
back "to show us that he is not developing weapons of mass
destruction."

When asked about the consequences if Iraq rejects, Bush said:
"He will find out."

Iraq has rebuffed the warning as "arrogant" and vowed not to bow
to any U.S. threats.

Iraq, who has rejected international arms inspection since it
was attacked by the U.S. and Britain in December 1998, insists that
the return of arms inspectors hinges on the total lifting of the
sanctions.

Iraq has been under sweeping United Nations sanctions since its
1990 invasion of Kuwait and the sanctions will not be lifted until
U.N. arms inspectors confirm that Iraq is free of weapons of mass
destruction. Enditem
 

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Israeli-Palestinian Crisis is Looming: Peres


Xinhuanet 2001-12-03 05:49:56


JERUSALEM, December 2 (Xinhuanet) -- Israeli Foreign Minister
Shimon Peres Sunday night warned that the Israeli-Palestinian
relations is facing a grave crisis, slamming the extremists'
destruction to the political process, the website of Ha'aretz daily
reported.

Addressing the special meeting with all of the foreign
ambassadors in Israel, Peres briefed the diplomats on the recent
Palestinian attacks, saying "the terrorists are forcing Israel into
taking steps it doesn't want to carry out."

The foreign minister noted that the current wave of attacks had
precipitated what could be the worst crisis ever in relations
between Israelis and Palestinians,
stressing that "the terror had
been perpetrated despite Israeli efforts to ease its closure
policies and despite mediation work done by U.S. envoy Anthony
Zinni."


To this extent, Peres called for the international community to
bring pressure on the Palestinian National Authority and its
Chairman Yasser Arafat, in an attempt to force them to adopt
effective measures to end the violent attacks on Israelis.

Sixteen Israelis were killed in a fatal suicide bus bombing in
Israel's northern city of Haifa Sunday noon, just hours after
Saturday night's terrible suicide bombing attacks in central
Jerusalem, in which 10 Israelis were killed and some 180 others
injured. The Palestinian radical resistance group Hamas has claimed
responsibility for the attacks.

Asked about whether Israel would take certain response to the
attacks, Peres indicated that any major policy decisions or
initiatives would be made until Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's
return from his current tour to the United States.


Sharon is scheduled to return to Israel on Monday morning
following his planned talks with U.S. President George W. Bush in
White House. Enditem

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