INTL India - China border crisis (Main Thread)

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
Posted for fair use.....

The Good, The Bad, And The Ugly In India-China Nuclear Relations – Analysis

October 29, 2020 IPCS 1 Comment

By IPCS




By Dr Manpreet Sethi*
India-China nuclear relations are unique and complex. China refuses to recognise India as a nuclear weapons state (NWS), though there is no denying the reality of India’s nuclear weapons. In fact, this has been accepted by the international community as illustrated by India’s accommodation into the non-proliferation regime. So, China’s objections to India’s nuclear status is a political issue. However, the geopolitical circumstances of the two countries—conjoined by geography and separated by historically incomplete border demarcations—add a risky dimension to their existence as nuclear neighbours. Unresolved territorial disputes result in frequent border skirmishes that have the potential to escalate.

It is therefore in the interest of both to acknowledge the nuclear relationship and find ways to address risks. Can they do so? The answer to this question lies in understanding the good, bad, and ugly dimensions that simultaneously characterise this relationship.

The good in India-China relations can be seen in the sense of nuclear stability that both countries are able to engender despite tensions created by territorial issues. This is evident in the current military stand-off that has been ongoing for almost six months now. Yet, neither has drawn attention to their nuclear weapons despite the unprecedented violence that broke out at the Line of Actual Control (LAC) in June 2020, in which both sides lost lives for the first time in decades. Considering this as a serious inflection point, New Delhi has decided to significantly scale-down its economic engagement with China, fast-track conventional capability build-up, strengthen partnerships with other like-minded countries (fortunately there are many that have been rankled by China’s aggressive posture), and re-examine positions on Tibet, Taiwan, and the Quad.

Are any ripple effects expected on either side’s nuclear positions? It does not seem so. India has not announced any changes to its nuclear positions, though the suggestion of changing to a more offensive nuclear strategy owing to the conventional asymmetry with China has surfaced. However, policy changes are not deemed to be warranted given the understanding that it makes little sense to use nuclear weapons first in situations where the adversary has a secure second-strike capability. It could only lead to nuclear escalation by inviting similar retaliation without necessarily making a dent in the adversary’s conventional conflict.

Meanwhile, for China, changes in its nuclear capability and strategy are driven by its threat perception from the US. Its nuclear modernisation is in response to US ballistic missile defence and long-range conventional strikes that are seen to have the ability to degrade Beijing’s nuclear retaliatory capability. Debates in China about increasing nuclear numbers, revising alert levels or no first use (NFU), and deploying hypersonics or dual-use missiles are aimed at enhancing nuclear deterrence vis-a-vis the US. India does not figure in these calculations.

The officially declared Indian and Chinese NFUs, as well as a similarity in their approach towards nuclear weapons as instruments of deterrence and not war-fighting, have helped maintain a sense of nuclear stability while dialogue mechanisms try to resolve the ongoing impasse diplomatically. In fact, their nuclear behaviour is a practical demonstration of the value of NFU in adversarial nuclear dyads. It is a good example of a risk reduction measure worthy of emulation by other dyads.

The bad dimension of the India-China nuclear relationship can be found in the huge perception gap on nuclear motivations and threat perceptions, exacerbated by a largely blind acceptance of Western analysis and writings about each other. For instance, the recently released US Department of Defense (DoD) report on China’s military and strategic developments, which predicts significant nuclear growth in numbers and capabilities, has caused much concern in India. However, India’s sense of alarm needs to be tempered by the appreciation that there could be an inflation of the Chinese threat by the US for its own budgetary battles. Similarly, on the Chinese side, too, there is a tendency to echo Western scholars who perceive India’s nuclear weapons from the prism of prestige and status, and hence believe an inevitable technological progression towards counterforce capabilities and increased numbers. Given the West’s lack of understanding of the NFU’s military logic, many cast doubts on India’s continuing adherence to it.

A tendency to rely on such Western writings to learn about each other’s nuclear positions and perspectives creates room for misunderstanding and worst-case thinking between China and India. This is ironic because both sides in fact are consonant in several ways on nuclear philosophy. New Delhi and Beijing must have direct, bilateral dialogues on nuclear doctrines, force structures, and postures. The risks are only growing with the induction of new technologies, and China needs to get over its outdated attitude so meaningful engagement on nuclear issues can take place. Inadvertent escalation in future stand-offs will not be in either’s interest.

Finally, the ugly dimension of this relationship is found in China-Pakistan nuclear and missile proliferation. Knowledge of China’s material help to Pakistan is well-known. However, Chinese psychological and moral support to Pakistan’s use of terrorism is less understood. For instance, the larger international community has called out Pakistan for its support to terrorism, as evident in Pakistan having stayed on the Financial Action Task Force (FATF) grey list for so long. China, however, still continues to extend economic, political, and moral protection. This has not allowed or incentivised Rawalpindi to change its behaviour. By acting as benefactor towards Pakistan’s irresponsible nuclear behaviour, China helps create an ugly instability in the triangular relationship.

There is much in the India-China nuclear relationship that can be useful—bilaterally, regionally, and globally. These are the only two countries that offer an alternate perspective on nuclear weapons and deterrence, and demonstration of concepts such as NFU and low alert levels. Both eschew limited nuclear war. It will be a pity if they, too, are compelled by circumstances and misperceptions to sway from their sane nuclear policies of minimalism and defensiveness.

*Dr Manpreet Sethi is Distinguished Fellow with the Centre for Air Power Studies (CAPS), New Delhi.
 

OldArcher

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Exactly. And assumptions will be made that will drive decisions where hard information isn't available that could set up a 1914 redux...

You have called it, Sir. We are now over the precipice, and heading into WAR... Now, while our enemies see us at our weakest, they will seek to take advantage. Chaos has reared it’s ugly head, and we shall be the victims thereof...

Lock & Load

OldArcher
 

jward

passin' thru
I was pleasantly surprised that the shenanigans hadn't already started..
These are the times that try mens souls (and don't do much for wimmin's either) keeps darting through my mind's peripheral vision...I always said I wanted to be Sarah Connor when I grew up- but I'm still a wee lass and in no real hurry. :eek:
You have called it, Sir. We are now over the precipice, and heading into WAR... Now, while our enemies see us at our weakest, they will seek to take advantage. Chaos has reared it’s ugly head, and we shall be the victims thereof...

Lock & Load

OldArcher
 

jward

passin' thru
India, China close in on plan to end months of border standoff

Tens of thousands of rivals troops have been deployed along the disputed Himalayan border since a deadly scuffle in June.
India's defence and foreign ministries declined to comment on the specifics of the latest negotiations [File:Reuters]

India's defence and foreign ministries declined to comment on the specifics of the latest negotiations [File:Reuters]
13 Nov 2020

India and China are formulating a plan that involves creating no-patrol zones, pulling back tanks and artillery, and using drones to verify the withdrawal, as the nuclear-armed Asian rivals seek to end a dangerous military standoff in the western Himalayas, Indian officials say.
Tensions have run high since June when at least 20 Indian soldiers were killed after being attacked by Chinese troops using rocks and clubs. Indian officials say the Chinese troops had intruded across the disputed border in a remote valley. China said the Indian soldiers’ actions had been provocative.

India, China defence ministers meet amid rising border tensionsIndia, China hold talks amid ‘volatile’ border situationIndia, China accuse each other of firing shots at tense border

Since then, the nuclear-armed Asian neighbours have deployed tens of thousands of troops on the rugged frontier between India’s Ladakh region and the Chinese-held Tibetan plateau, raising the risk of further confrontation even while looking for ways to de-escalate.
After months of fitful progress, the two sides are discussing a staggered disengagement from the high-altitude desert where temperatures have dipped to 18 degrees below Celsius, three Indian government officials told Reuters.
“We have a firm plan for disengagement on the table, it is being internally discussed on both sides,” said one of the officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the situation.
Under the plan that was shared during a meeting of top commanders last Friday, both sides will pull back from the contested Pangong Tso lake area and establish a buffer zone.

Chinese soldiers will dismantle defence structures on several hilly spurs overlooking the lake and pull back, the officials briefed on the discussions said.
India, which has occupied heights on the lake’s south bank, will also withdraw. Both sides will cease patrolling certain sections.
The 3,800-km (2,100 miles) long India-China border is undermarcated, and the two countries went to war in 1962.

While there have been recurrent incidents down the years, troops from both sides have largely abided by a long-standing protocol to avoid firing weapons on the high altitude border, although some warning shots were fired in September.
India’s defence and foreign ministries declined to comment on the specifics of the latest negotiations.
“When we have something to share, we will share. Discussions are ongoing,” foreign ministry spokesman Anurag Srivastava said.
The three officials said that military commanders from both sides could meet within a week for further discussions on disengagement.

There was no immediate comment from China, but the state-controlled Global Times newspaper cited unnamed sources saying a disengagement plan was under discussion where India would first withdraw troops who had “illegally crossed lines” south of Pangong Tso.
Qian Feng, director of the research department at the National Strategy Institute at Tsinghua University, told the Global Times that the plan described by the press in India shows its interpretation of the outcome of previous talks, but also to some extent, “reveals the actual unilateral thought of Indian militaries”.
“However, it cannot represent the result the two sides have reached, nor will it be the final plan,” Qian said.
Finding a mutually acceptable sequence for withdrawal could be complicated. Indian troops currently occupy heights on the southern shore of the lake, overlooking Chinese positions.

“If we empty out from there, there is nothing to negotiate,” a second Indian official said.
Under the plan outlined by Indian officials, tanks and artillery that two sides had deployed following the clash in June would be moved back from the frontline.
They were also discussing a way to verify the troop withdrawal including the use of drones over the disputed areas at specific times each day, one of the Indian officials said.
“If you are going to establish buffer zones, verification is the key to this,” the official said.

please see article for video and photos
posted for fair use
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
India, China close in on plan to end months of border standoff

Tens of thousands of rivals troops have been deployed along the disputed Himalayan border since a deadly scuffle in June.
India's defence and foreign ministries declined to comment on the specifics of the latest negotiations [File:Reuters]'s defence and foreign ministries declined to comment on the specifics of the latest negotiations [File:Reuters]

India's defence and foreign ministries declined to comment on the specifics of the latest negotiations [File:Reuters]
13 Nov 2020

India and China are formulating a plan that involves creating no-patrol zones, pulling back tanks and artillery, and using drones to verify the withdrawal, as the nuclear-armed Asian rivals seek to end a dangerous military standoff in the western Himalayas, Indian officials say.
Tensions have run high since June when at least 20 Indian soldiers were killed after being attacked by Chinese troops using rocks and clubs. Indian officials say the Chinese troops had intruded across the disputed border in a remote valley. China said the Indian soldiers’ actions had been provocative.

India, China defence ministers meet amid rising border tensionsIndia, China hold talks amid ‘volatile’ border situationIndia, China accuse each other of firing shots at tense border

Since then, the nuclear-armed Asian neighbours have deployed tens of thousands of troops on the rugged frontier between India’s Ladakh region and the Chinese-held Tibetan plateau, raising the risk of further confrontation even while looking for ways to de-escalate.
After months of fitful progress, the two sides are discussing a staggered disengagement from the high-altitude desert where temperatures have dipped to 18 degrees below Celsius, three Indian government officials told Reuters.
“We have a firm plan for disengagement on the table, it is being internally discussed on both sides,” said one of the officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the situation.
Under the plan that was shared during a meeting of top commanders last Friday, both sides will pull back from the contested Pangong Tso lake area and establish a buffer zone.

Chinese soldiers will dismantle defence structures on several hilly spurs overlooking the lake and pull back, the officials briefed on the discussions said.
India, which has occupied heights on the lake’s south bank, will also withdraw. Both sides will cease patrolling certain sections.
The 3,800-km (2,100 miles) long India-China border is undermarcated, and the two countries went to war in 1962.

While there have been recurrent incidents down the years, troops from both sides have largely abided by a long-standing protocol to avoid firing weapons on the high altitude border, although some warning shots were fired in September.
India’s defence and foreign ministries declined to comment on the specifics of the latest negotiations.
“When we have something to share, we will share. Discussions are ongoing,” foreign ministry spokesman Anurag Srivastava said.
The three officials said that military commanders from both sides could meet within a week for further discussions on disengagement.

There was no immediate comment from China, but the state-controlled Global Times newspaper cited unnamed sources saying a disengagement plan was under discussion where India would first withdraw troops who had “illegally crossed lines” south of Pangong Tso.
Qian Feng, director of the research department at the National Strategy Institute at Tsinghua University, told the Global Times that the plan described by the press in India shows its interpretation of the outcome of previous talks, but also to some extent, “reveals the actual unilateral thought of Indian militaries”.
“However, it cannot represent the result the two sides have reached, nor will it be the final plan,” Qian said.
Finding a mutually acceptable sequence for withdrawal could be complicated. Indian troops currently occupy heights on the southern shore of the lake, overlooking Chinese positions.

“If we empty out from there, there is nothing to negotiate,” a second Indian official said.
Under the plan outlined by Indian officials, tanks and artillery that two sides had deployed following the clash in June would be moved back from the frontline.
They were also discussing a way to verify the troop withdrawal including the use of drones over the disputed areas at specific times each day, one of the Indian officials said.
“If you are going to establish buffer zones, verification is the key to this,” the official said.

please see article for video and photos
posted for fair use

Considering Beijing's behavior, Lucy and the football come to mind, I don't see India putting up with too much more crap. That being said options are getting narrowed.
 

northern watch

TB Fanatic
Pakistan warns India planning 'surgical strike' against it
Pakistan’s foreign minister has accused neighboring India of planning a “surgical strike” against his Islamic nation

By MUNIR AHMED Associated Press
18 December 2020, 11:09

ISLAMABAD -- Pakistan's foreign minister on Friday accused neighboring India of planning a “surgical strike" against his Islamic nation, the latest in a war of words between the two nuclear-armed rivals.

Shah Mahmood Qureshi spoke during a televised news conference in the United Arab Emirates where he is currently on a two-day visit for talks with senior UAE government officials.


He did not offer evidence to support his claim but cited “credible intelligence" about the alleged plot. He added that Pakistan was fully prepared to respond to any such attack from India, which he said could endanger peace in the region.

There was no immediate comment from New Delhi. Pakistan and India have a history of bitter relations and often trade accusations. They have fought three wars since gaining independence from Britain, two of them over the disputed Himalayan region of Kashmir, which is divided between them and claimed by both in its entirety.

Qureshi said an Indian strike could disrupt the ongoing Afghan peace process, which is being facilitated by Pakistan. The Taliban, over whom Pakistan yields considerable influence, and Afghanistan's government representatives have been holding negotiations since September in Qatar to try and hammer out a peace deal that would end the war.

A Taliban team arrived in Islamabad this week for talks with Pakistani government leaders amid growing calls for a reduction in violence in neighboring Afghanistan. The Taliban delegation met with Prime Minister Imran Khan on Friday. According to a government statement, Khan expressed his concern during the meeting over the high level of violence in Afghanistan and called on all sides to reduce violence levels and work toward a cease-fire.

Echoing Qureshi's concerns, Khan's adviser on national security, Moeed Yusuf, later Friday tweeted that the “world must prevent India from destabilizing the region in its attempt to divert attention from its domestic trouble."

Foreign ministry spokesman Zahid Hafeez Chaudhri said Pakistan learned “from credible sources that India is planning to undertake a military misadventure" in Kashmir and pledged that the Pakistani military was “fully prepared to defeat Indian designs." Islamabad has informed the international community about the intelligence, Chaudri said.

Also Friday, Pakistan's military said Indian troops targeted a vehicle with two U.N. observers who escaped unharmed. A military statement said the attack was deliberate as U.N. vehicles are clearly marked and “recognizable even from long distances."

U.N. deputy spokesman Farhan Haq only confirmed that the vehicle, carrying personnel from the observers' mission and their driver was “impacted by an unidentified object while conducting routine monitoring activities." No one was harmed and the incident is being investigated, Haq said.

A top Indian army officer, speaking on condition of anonymity under regulations, denied the Pakistani accusation. Indian army spokesman Lt. Col. Devender Anand in turn accused Pakistani soldiers of violating the cease-fire in two incidents on Friday along the Line of Control separating the Pakistani-administered and the India-run sectors of Kashmir.

There were no immediate reports of casualties in Kashmir.

———

Associated Press writers Aijaz Hussain Sri Nagar, India, and Edith M Lederer contributed to this report.

Pakistan warns India planning 'surgical strike' against it - ABC News (go.com)
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
Pakistan warns India planning 'surgical strike' against it
Pakistan’s foreign minister has accused neighboring India of planning a “surgical strike” against his Islamic nation

By MUNIR AHMED Associated Press
18 December 2020, 11:09

ISLAMABAD -- Pakistan's foreign minister on Friday accused neighboring India of planning a “surgical strike" against his Islamic nation, the latest in a war of words between the two nuclear-armed rivals.

Shah Mahmood Qureshi spoke during a televised news conference in the United Arab Emirates where he is currently on a two-day visit for talks with senior UAE government officials.


He did not offer evidence to support his claim but cited “credible intelligence" about the alleged plot. He added that Pakistan was fully prepared to respond to any such attack from India, which he said could endanger peace in the region.

There was no immediate comment from New Delhi. Pakistan and India have a history of bitter relations and often trade accusations. They have fought three wars since gaining independence from Britain, two of them over the disputed Himalayan region of Kashmir, which is divided between them and claimed by both in its entirety.

Qureshi said an Indian strike could disrupt the ongoing Afghan peace process, which is being facilitated by Pakistan. The Taliban, over whom Pakistan yields considerable influence, and Afghanistan's government representatives have been holding negotiations since September in Qatar to try and hammer out a peace deal that would end the war.

A Taliban team arrived in Islamabad this week for talks with Pakistani government leaders amid growing calls for a reduction in violence in neighboring Afghanistan. The Taliban delegation met with Prime Minister Imran Khan on Friday. According to a government statement, Khan expressed his concern during the meeting over the high level of violence in Afghanistan and called on all sides to reduce violence levels and work toward a cease-fire.

Echoing Qureshi's concerns, Khan's adviser on national security, Moeed Yusuf, later Friday tweeted that the “world must prevent India from destabilizing the region in its attempt to divert attention from its domestic trouble."

Foreign ministry spokesman Zahid Hafeez Chaudhri said Pakistan learned “from credible sources that India is planning to undertake a military misadventure" in Kashmir and pledged that the Pakistani military was “fully prepared to defeat Indian designs." Islamabad has informed the international community about the intelligence, Chaudri said.

Also Friday, Pakistan's military said Indian troops targeted a vehicle with two U.N. observers who escaped unharmed. A military statement said the attack was deliberate as U.N. vehicles are clearly marked and “recognizable even from long distances."

U.N. deputy spokesman Farhan Haq only confirmed that the vehicle, carrying personnel from the observers' mission and their driver was “impacted by an unidentified object while conducting routine monitoring activities." No one was harmed and the incident is being investigated, Haq said.

A top Indian army officer, speaking on condition of anonymity under regulations, denied the Pakistani accusation. Indian army spokesman Lt. Col. Devender Anand in turn accused Pakistani soldiers of violating the cease-fire in two incidents on Friday along the Line of Control separating the Pakistani-administered and the India-run sectors of Kashmir.

There were no immediate reports of casualties in Kashmir.

———

Associated Press writers Aijaz Hussain Sri Nagar, India, and Edith M Lederer contributed to this report.

Pakistan warns India planning 'surgical strike' against it - ABC News (go.com)

Heck, if they weren't doing that they'd be idiots.
 

jward

passin' thru
d-atis
@detresfa_

6m

Cited as #Ladakh's biggest helipad project, #India is constructing 36 new helipads to connect remote locations across the region, a part visualization of the endeavor near the border areas with #China also shows how these new landing zones could boost military operations
1608352702117.png
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
Here we go again......

Posted for fair use.....

Chinese and Indian troops 'in new border clash'

Sun, January 24, 2021, 11:25 PM

Chinese and Indian troops have reportedly clashed again in a disputed border area, with injuries on both sides, Indian media reports say.

The incident took place in north Sikkim last Wednesday. India's army said there had been a "minor" incident that had been "resolved".

Tensions are high along the world's longest disputed border. Both sides claim large areas of territory.

At least 20 Indian soldiers died in a skirmish in the Ladakh area last June.

The latest incident happened at the Nathu La pass in Sikkim, the media reports said. The Sikkim region is sandwiched between Bhutan and Nepal, about 2,500km (1,500 miles) east of the Ladakh area.

A Chinese patrol tried to enter Indian territory and was forced back, the officials said.
An Indian army statement played down the incident, saying there "was a minor face-off at Nathu La area of North Sikkim on 20 January 2021 and the same was resolved by local commanders as per established protocols".
Rivers, lakes and snowcaps along the ill-defined, 3,440km (2,100-mile) border mean the line can shift, bringing soldiers face to face at many points, sometimes leading to confrontation.

The deadliest was in the Galwan Valley in Ladakh last June. China also reportedly suffered casualties but made no comment.

Since the deadly hand-to-hand fighting, the two sides have held de-escalation talks - the latest of them between military commanders on Sunday.

Both countries have a lot to lose, with China one of India's biggest trading partners.
The two countries have fought only one war, in 1962, when India suffered a heavy defeat.
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
Hummm.....

Posted for fair use.....

India, China soldiers brawl again along disputed frontier

AP News
by AP News
January 25, 2021
in AP News, National

By AIJAZ HUSSAIN and SHEIKH SAALIQ
Associated Press

SRINAGAR, India (AP) — Indian and Chinese soldiers brawled last week along the countries’ disputed border, Indian officials said Monday, as a monthslong standoff between the nuclear-armed rivals continued.

The clash in the Naku La area of Sikkim came four days before the countries held a ninth round of talks on Sunday on ending tensions in another disputed border area in the remote Ladakh region.

The Indian army described the clash at Naku La as “a minor face off” and said it “was resolved by local commanders as per established protocols.”

An army statement did not provide any other details, but asked media “to refrain from overplaying or exaggerating” the incident.

Chinese Foreign Ministry spokesperson Zhao Lijian said he did not have information to provide on the incident but urged India “not to take any unilateral action that may further complicate or exacerbate the border tension.”

Since a deadly clash last year, soldiers from the two sides have brawled occasionally and fired shots for the first time in decades, breaking a longstanding agreement not to use firearms during border confrontations.

Two Indian security officials said at least 18 Chinese soldiers tried to cross into Indian-claimed territory at Naku La last Wednesday night and were blocked by Indian soldiers, leading to clashes with sticks and stones. The officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue and in keeping with government regulations, said soldiers on both sides were carrying firearms but did not use them.

The two officials said over a dozen Indian soldiers and at least eight Chinese soldiers received minor injuries.

There was no independent confirmation of the incident.

Both sides rushed more soldiers to the area in an “aggressive deployment” that swelled the number of personnel to hundreds, the officials said.

The leader of India’s main opposition Congress party, Rahul Gandhi, accused China of “expanding its occupation into Indian territory” and questioned Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s silence.

Modi “hasn’t said the word ‘China’ for months,” Gandhi said in a tweet Monday. “Maybe he can start by saying the word ‘China.’”

India and China have been locked in a tense military standoff since May high in the Karakoram mountains, with troops settling in for the harsh winter. Both sides have mobilized tens of thousands of soldiers, artillery and fighter aircraft along the fiercely contested border known as the Line of Actual Control, or LAC, that separates Chinese and Indian-held territories from Ladakh in the west to India’s eastern state of Arunachal Pradesh, which China claims in its entirety.

The frontier is broken in parts where the Himalayan nations of Nepal and Bhutan border China, and where Sikkim, the site of the latest brawl, is sandwiched.

The LAC divides areas of physical control rather than territorial claims. Despite more than three dozen rounds of talks over the years and multiple meetings between Modi and Chinese President Xi Jinping, they are nowhere near settling the dispute.

The standoff began last May with a fierce brawl, and exploded into hand-to-hand combat with clubs, stones and fists on June 15 that left 20 Indian soldiers dead. China is believed to also have had casualties, but has not given any details.

Indian and Chinese army commanders met for the ninth round of talks after a gap of 2 1/2 months in Ladakh on Sunday but neither side released any details of the outcome.

___

Saaliq reported from New Delhi. Associated Press writer Ken Moritsugu in Beijing contributed to this report.
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
Posted for fair use.....

Ladakh border crisis: India, China talk ‘early disengagement’ of troops

By Manu Pubby, ET Bureau
Last Updated: Jan 26, 2021, 08:01 AM IST

Synopsis
India and China have been working on a roadmap of de-escalation, which included withdrawal of frontline armoured positions and gradual moving back of in-depth troop formations. While some success has been achieved, frontline troop positions at all friction points remain a cause of concern as there has been no reduction from the Chinese side.


New Delhi: India and China have resolved to push for an early disengagement of frontline troops after the ninth round of military talks on the ongoing Ladakh border crisis, which both the sides termed positive and constructive.

Indicating forward movement in talks, the two sides in a joint statement said they plan to meet again soon to move towards de-escalation of thousands of troops deployed near the border since April last year.

After the marathon 16-hour talks on Sunday, an army spokesperson said the two sides had a “candid and in-depth” exchange of views on disengagement along the Line of Actual Control (LAC).

India and China have been working on a roadmap of de-escalation, which included withdrawal of frontline armoured positions and gradual moving back of in-depth troop formations.

While some success has been achieved, frontline troop positions at all friction points remain a cause of concern as there has been no reduction from the Chinese side.

“The two sides agreed that this round of meeting was positive, practical and constructive, which further enhanced mutual trust and understanding,” the joint statement said. “The two sides agreed to push for an early disengagement of the frontline troops.”

Even as regular faceoffs are continuing along the disputed border – a physical clash on January 20 at the Naku La pass in northern Sikkim resulted in injuries on both sides – the joint statement sought to restrain troops from further border provocations.

Meanwhile, Congress leader Rahul Gandhi questioned PM Narendra Modi’s silence, as he reacted to reports of a recent skirmish between Indian and Chinese forces in Sikkim, and lamented that China is expanding its occupation of India’s territory.

“China is expanding its occupation into Indian territory. Mr 56” hasn’t said the word ‘China’ for months. Maybe he can start by saying the word ‘China’," Gandhi tweeted on Monday.
 

OldArcher

Has No Life - Lives on TB
The CCP is genocidal. It doesn’t need vassal/client states. It needs tillable land, modern industry, and a cowed populace- namely, India. Stack-up Indian troops, and their weapons, and they’ll lose every time against the more modern military, combined with virtually unlimited forces, that the CCP of China can field.
China cannot feed it’s population, even in it’s best years. A significant portion of their food is from imports. This last year has been catastrophic for China, and the CCP. Droughts, flooding, diseases, and it’s decline in it’s real GDP, are sinister at best, terrifying at the worst. China, and the CCP, do not have the funds available for purchasing the foods necessary for a healthy, productive China. In the final analysis, China must conduct numerous lightning invasions of all regional nations. It will not be by conquest and the rebuilding of societies. It will be genocide, making pale all other examples Humanity, in this civilization, has witnessed and suffered. Weaponized diseases are too slow, and uncontrollable. No, it will be brutal, when it comes, and it will, indeed stun the world with it’s savagery. Millions, and by extension, BILLIONS, may die or suffer, as things truly get out of hand...

Unless our erswhile and very few current allies dust-off their “golden screwdrivers,“ any hope for peace, or a neutering of The CCP Dragon will, at best, end-up with the CCP’s destruction, or at worst, global, thermonuclear war...

Better to neuter, and kill the CCP while there is still time... The alternative is inconceivable. May Odin, and whatever God’s/Goddesses you worship, help us all...

May Odin bring us the leader we need- not the useless traitor we have...

OA
 

jward

passin' thru
hmm. how long do these things usually hold- weeks, months? :: shrug ::



EndGameWW3
@EndGameWW3

9m

India, China ‘complete disengagement’ of troops from border

India, China ‘complete disengagement’ of troops from border
Agencies Published February 22, 2021Updated 30 minutes ago


In this file photo, Indian army soldiers walk past their parked trucks at a makeshift transit camp before heading to Ladakh. — Reuters/File

NEW DELHI: India said on Sunday that its troops, along with their Chinese counterparts, had completed a pullback from a disputed part of their Himalayan border after months of heightened tensions.
Thousands of soldiers have been facing off since April on the Line of Actual Control (LAC), or the de facto border, including at the glacial Pangong Tso lake.

The nuclear-armed neighbours fought a border war in 1962 and have long accused each other of seeking to cross their frontier — which has never been properly agreed — in India’s Ladakh region, just opposite Tibet.
The latest flare-up turned deadly in mid-June last year when 20 Indian soldiers were killed in a border battle in the strategically important Galwan river valley in Ladakh. Beijing on Friday said four of its soldiers had died in the clash, its first confirmation of Chinese fatalities.

After nine rounds of high-level military talks which have been held since the June clash, India’s Defence Minister Rajnath Singh said last week that both sides agreed to disengage from the Pangong Lake area.
India’s defence ministry said in a joint statement with Beijing that during the 10th round of talks on Saturday, “the two sides positively appraised the smooth completion of disengagement of frontline troops in the Pangong Lake area”.
The statement said it was a “significant step forward” that provided a good starting point for the resolution of other disputes in the western sector of the contested border.

“The two sides agreed to... continue their communication and dialogue, stabilise and control the situation on the ground (and) push for a mutually acceptable resolution of the remaining issues,” the statement added.
India and China share a 3,500-kilometre (2,200-mile) border, with disputes at other points in Ladakh, including at Aksai Chin, a strategic corridor linking Tibet to western China next to the Galwan valley, and at Naku La pass further east, which connects Sikkim state with Tibet.Earlier this month, military commanders agreed to begin pulling out troops, tanks and artillery in a first step towards full withdrawal. On Saturday, the two commanders met to review the pullout.
“The two sides positively appraised the smooth completion of disengagement of frontline troops in the Pangong Lake area noting that it was a significant step forward that provided a good basis for resolution of other remaining issues along the LAC in Western Sector,” a joint press release said.

The deployment in the remote area that falls in India’s Ladakh region and adjoins the Chinese-administered Aksai Chin plateau had raised fears of a broader conflict between the two countries.
A clash erupted in the Galwan Valley in June, when 20 Indian soldiers were killed in the first combat losses on the disputed border in more than four decades. China said this week it lost four soldiers in the fighting.
Troops remain in close proximity on other parts of the undefined border including at Hot Springs, Gogra Post and the Depsang plains, officials said. The commanders had a candid and in-depth exchange of views on the situation on the border, the two countries said in the press release.

“The two sides agreed to follow the important consensus of their state leaders, continue their communication and dialogue, stabilise and control the situation on the ground, push for a mutually acceptable resolution of the remaining issues in a steady and orderly manner, so as to jointly maintain peace and tranquillity in the border areas,” they said.
Published in Dawn, February 22nd, 2021
 

Plain Jane

Just Plain Jane

China Enforces New Boundary With Nepal At Summit Of Everest To Keep Infected Climbers Out
Tyler Durden's Photo

BY TYLER DURDEN
MONDAY, MAY 10, 2021 - 11:50 PM
In the latest sign that Beijing is warily eyeing the outbreak in India as it spills over its borders into neighboring Nepal, China has set up a "line of separation" at the summit of Mount Everest to prevent any climbers from the Nepal side from mingling with climbers from the Tibet side, Reuters reports. The decision comes as the Everest base camp on the Nepal side has struggled with a persistent COVID-19 outbreak since April.

To accomplish this, China is sending an expedition of climbers to install the line, though it's not clear how they intend to enforce the boundary.

Starved of tourism revenue, the Nepalese government has refused to impose limits on tourists and climbers who come in droves to visit the legendary mountain. Beijing apparently doesn't feel great about this.

As Reuters pointed out, it's not clear how Beijing intends to enforce the border line in one of the most inhospitable environments for humans - the area surround the summit of Everest. The summit itself is about the size of a dining room table.

To install it, Beijing is dispatching a small team of Tibetan climbing guides - which will include 21 Chinese nationals - who will ascend Everest and set up the "line of separation" at the summit.

It's also unclear whether the team of guides who will be setting up the line of separation will remain in the "death zone", the area leading up to the summit where hundreds of travelers have died.

China hasn't allowed any foreign climbers to ascend the mountain from the Tibetan side since the coronavirus pandemic began. Tourists are also banned from visiting the base camp on the Tibetan side.

So if you do happen to get infected with COVID-19 at 30,000 feet, you better just stay up there.
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
Posted for fair use.....

China’s PLA Upgrades Its Forces Along Disputed Border With India
Despite continuing talks between India and China, military preparations clearly are continuing, too.
Rajeswari Pillai Rajagopalan

By Rajeswari Pillai Rajagopalan
May 28, 2021







China’s PLA Upgrades Its Forces Along Disputed Border With India

An Indian army convoy moves on the Srinagar- Ladakh highway at Gagangeer, north-east of Srinagar, Indian controlled Kashmir, Thursday, June 18, 2020.
Credit: AP Photo

Following the Galwan clash in June 2020, India and China have maintained an uneasy calm along the line of actual control (LAC), the de facto border between them, but with the summer approaching rapidly, there is a growing sense that things may heat up. A media report in The Hindu said that “a minor face-off” had occurred between Indian and Chinese troops in the “no-patrolling zone” at Galwan Valley over the last weekend. Even though the media report was sourced to a senior government official, the Indian Army refuted it, stating that there was no such “minor face-off.”

Nevertheless, there are developments close to the border areas that should be noted. Reportedly, the Xinjiang Military District, part of the restructured Western Theater Command, is receiving greater attention in terms of upgrades with new equipment, including combat vehicles. Traditionally, this region was not a priority in comparison to Beijing’s focus on Taiwan. But that is changing, quite rapidly. Following the Galwan clash, the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) appears to be giving a fair share of importance to the Xinjiang Military District and upping the overall combat proficiency of the Xinjiang Military Command. Citing a Shanghai-based news website Eastday.com report, Global Times said that the Xinjiang Military Command received three new weapon systems over the last month: the Type 08 armored vehicle, a 122mm-caliber self-propelled howitzer (partially using technologies from the PCL-181 155mm-caliber self-propelled howitzer), and the PHL-03 long-range multiple rocket launcher system. An Indian news report cited the South China Morning Post (SCMP) as saying that the PLA is aiming to buttress China’s border defense and strengthen deterrent measures against India.

A Chinese media report also stated that the Xinjiang Military Command has received a new type of amphibious armored vehicle for rescue missions, which according to military experts, are useful for missions in high-altitude border areas such as Galwan Valley. A CCTV report cited in the Global Times story claimed that in an exercise conducted in March this year, “the [armored] vehicle reached the rescue point 4 kilometers away within only five minutes despite complicated road conditions in the high-altitude mountains.”

According to other Chinese media reports, cited by Janes, the ground forces of the Xinjiang Military Command have also been given new PHL-03 multiple rocket launchers (MRLs). The state-run China Central Television (CCTV) is reported to have displayed the new MRLs, a formation of 10 launchers, “each manned by a crew of four, accompanied by four transloaders and four unidentified 4×4 trucks, which were likely for carrying various spares or additional battery equipment.” The launchers were developed by China’s North Industries Group Corporation (Norinco) and can each reportedly fit 12 launch tubes for 300 mm artillery rockets.

On the deployment at the Xinjiang Military District, Song Zhongping, a former instructor in the PLA’s Artillery Corps, is reported to have said that “Only a long-range MLRS is powerful enough to act as a deterrent to India, as the Indian troops are also stepping up military deployment along the borders.” According to Janes, CCTV in its video of the release of the launchers also claimed that the range of the new launchers is “30 km greater than that of the standard rockets used by the system.” The SCMP reported that the PHL-03 can “strike multiple targets simultaneously.”

The Xinjiang Military Command is also reported to have taken delivery of new Type-15 light tanks in January 2021. According to Chinese military experts, these tanks can perform very well in rapid reaction combat roles in plateau regions. Both the Xinjiang and Tibet military commands are now operating these light tanks, a development particularly relevant in the China-India border context. The new tank, also called ZTQ-15, is equipped with a modern fire control system, including laser rangefinder, ballistic computer, wind sensor, gunner’s thermal sight, and commander’s panoramic sight with thermal vision.

This week, the Global Times reported that the Xinjiang Military Command recently took delivery of China’s latest field air defense missile system. Reportedly, this is the fifth recent acquisition for the command in terms of new weaponry. The new air defense missile system is identified as the HQ-17A field air defense missile system.

In addition, the Xinjiang Military Command is also reported to have taken delivery of and begun operating a new infantry fighting vehicle (IFV), the North Industries Group Corporation (Norinco)-produced ZBL-09 (also called Type 09). The new IFV, which can carry anti-tank guided missiles, took part in a recent military exercise.

In addition to rapid upgrades in terms of weapons and platforms, the Xinjiang Military Command has also been conducting live-fire exercise with newly-acquired self-propelled mortars, capable of providing “many tactical advantages in rapid fire support” given the flexibility of the new mortars compared to the larger artillery pieces. The Command took possession of the new mortars only a few weeks ago. The new mortars are supposedly “very accurate and fast, enabling the fire support units that could previously only operate in the rear to transform into mobile, hit-and-run firing positions.”

All of these developments, including the upgradation of the Xinjiang Military Command and the military exercises, indicate the PLA’s determination to upgrade its combat capability along the Sino-Indian border areas. Despite the talks between India and China on resolving the stand-off, military preparations clearly are continuing, too.

AUTHORS
Rajeswari Pillai Rajagopalan
CONTRIBUTING AUTHOR
Rajeswari Pillai Rajagopalan

Dr. Rajeswari (Raji) Pillai Rajagopalan is the Director of the Centre for Security, Strategy & Technology (CSST) at the Observer Research Foundation, New Delhi.
 

danielboon

TB Fanatic
Military build-up on India-China border amid fears of new conflict

Samaan Lateef
Mon, June 7, 2021, 6:51 PM·5 min read


An Indian army convoy carrying reinforcements and supplies in the Ladakh region

An Indian army convoy carrying reinforcements and supplies in the Ladakh region
When the snow melts on India's mountainous border with China it usually reveals an empty landscape of sheer ridges and plunging valleys.
Border posts were once manned only by a handful of police armed with bats and clubs.
But this year satellites have been able to pick up a rapid military build-up on both sides that threatens to pitch the two nuclear-armed neighbours into war.
- ADVERTISEMENT -

India has deployed 60,000 troops and heavy artillery to reinforce the border following clashes last year with Chinese soldiers in the Galwan Valley in Ladakh that left at least 24 dead.
China for its part has been conducting live-fire exercises with self-propelling mortars, chipping away at a 1996 agreement not to use guns or explosives near the border.
Analysts say that Delhi now faces the unenviable situation of having to maintain a heavy troop presence on two fronts, amid a shaky ceasefire with the old enemy Pakistan to the west.
“The Chinese threat has increased substantially and it is growing because of the capabilities that the People's Liberation Army (PLA) is inducting in the theatre... Right now there is no war but when you increase the threat, a war can never be ruled out,” said Pravin Sawhney, analyst and editor of national security magazine Force.
Chinese troops crossed the 3,800km border, known as the Line of Actual Control, in May 2020 and set up new border posts. The Telegraph reported on similar incursions into Nepal and Bhutan.
In a series of bloody hand-to-hand clashes in Galwan Valley at least 20 Indian police were beaten to death, their bodies pushed down steep ravines. China later admitted four of its own soldiers were killed.
India’s prime minister, Narendra Modi, was accused by the opposition of kowtowing to China’s president Xi Jingping over the incursion, amid widespread boycotts of Chinese goods. Blackouts later attributed to hackers operating out of China hit the financial capital of Mumbai.
Painstaking negotiations have since seen Chinese forces retreat from their positions in Pangong lake - but today they remain at other border flashpoints, such as the Depsang Plains and Hot Springs.
In reply, India has built a chain of roads and bridges around the LAC that would allow for large numbers of troops to be deployed at short notice to the border, where temperatures can fall to minus 45 degrees.
“The Galwan incident changed the whole face of the LAC. The mobilization of troops by China needed counter mobilization for which we needed infrastructure and roads,” a senior defense official told The Telegraph. “We pressed in combat engineers to complete the construction work planned for five years in just over five months,” he said.
China has been conducting live-fire exercises with mortars - REUTERS

China has been conducting live-fire exercises with mortars - REUTERS
Until last year's fighting there was little concern leaving the border posts along the LAC to the unarmed Indo-Tibetan Border Police (ITBP). The only war the two nations have fought, in 1962, ended in humiliation for India - leaving a steady truce.
But India has now sent two infantry divisions to Ladakh to reinforce an existing division of the Army's 14 corps, diverting one from the frontier with Pakistan-controlled Kashmir.
It has also added 10,000 troops to the Strike Corps based in India's plains that are trained for combat specifically with Pakistan and China. India's army chief General M M Navarane, who in April inspected the troops in Ladakh, has warned the nation must be prepared for a prolonged stand-off with China.
“We are very clear that no de-escalation can take place before disengagement at all friction points. The [Chinese] troop presence in the whole front, right from Ladakh up to Arunachal Pradesh, continues. We have to be ready to be deployed in the long run too,” he said. New hardware has also been diverted to the frontier, with the troops backed by India’s most advanced self-propelled howitzers, surface-to-air missiles, and 24 Rafale fighters purchased from France since last July.
Indian soldiers crossing a river in the Galwan Valley in June last year, according to footage shown on Chinese state TV - GETTY IMAGES

Indian soldiers crossing a river in the Galwan Valley in June last year, according to footage shown on Chinese state TV - GETTY IMAGES
Meanwhile Delhi is in the process of procuring lightweight Sprut SDMI1 lightweight tanks that can function in the difficult terrain, something not possible for the 70-tonne locally-made Arjun tanks that form the bulk of its existing force.
Four Heron TP drones purchased from Israel will also shortly be deployed for long surveillance missions.
Across the border, China's state-run Global Times newspaper recently reported that the PLA's Xinjiang military command - which oversees the border - has received new long range rocket launchers, howitzers and armoured vehicles.
The PLA last week held joint military exercises with Pakistan in Tibet.
“War remains unlikely,” Asian security analyst Arzan Tarapore told The Telegraph, “but the risk is significantly higher now than before the crisis began in May 2020”
“The disengagement has stalled and talks have not restored the status quo,” he said, adding that while the build-up may have been intended to deter conflict, both sides were now far better prepared to fight.
The deployment, Mr Tarapore said, would also have damaging knock-on effects for India’s ability to secure the Kashmir border.
“We should be watching to see if the US withdrawal from Afghanistan prompts some Pakistan-based networks to turn their gaze back to Kashmir,” he said.
When the snow falls once more on the mountaintops this winter, it will only provide temporary cover for a conflict that is warmer than at any time for decades.
 

OldArcher

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Military build-up on India-China border amid fears of new conflict

Samaan Lateef
Mon, June 7, 2021, 6:51 PM·5 min read


An Indian army convoy carrying reinforcements and supplies in the Ladakh region

An Indian army convoy carrying reinforcements and supplies in the Ladakh region
When the snow melts on India's mountainous border with China it usually reveals an empty landscape of sheer ridges and plunging valleys.
Border posts were once manned only by a handful of police armed with bats and clubs.
But this year satellites have been able to pick up a rapid military build-up on both sides that threatens to pitch the two nuclear-armed neighbours into war.
- ADVERTISEMENT -

India has deployed 60,000 troops and heavy artillery to reinforce the border following clashes last year with Chinese soldiers in the Galwan Valley in Ladakh that left at least 24 dead.
China for its part has been conducting live-fire exercises with self-propelling mortars, chipping away at a 1996 agreement not to use guns or explosives near the border.
Analysts say that Delhi now faces the unenviable situation of having to maintain a heavy troop presence on two fronts, amid a shaky ceasefire with the old enemy Pakistan to the west.
“The Chinese threat has increased substantially and it is growing because of the capabilities that the People's Liberation Army (PLA) is inducting in the theatre... Right now there is no war but when you increase the threat, a war can never be ruled out,” said Pravin Sawhney, analyst and editor of national security magazine Force.
Chinese troops crossed the 3,800km border, known as the Line of Actual Control, in May 2020 and set up new border posts. The Telegraph reported on similar incursions into Nepal and Bhutan.
In a series of bloody hand-to-hand clashes in Galwan Valley at least 20 Indian police were beaten to death, their bodies pushed down steep ravines. China later admitted four of its own soldiers were killed.
India’s prime minister, Narendra Modi, was accused by the opposition of kowtowing to China’s president Xi Jingping over the incursion, amid widespread boycotts of Chinese goods. Blackouts later attributed to hackers operating out of China hit the financial capital of Mumbai.
Painstaking negotiations have since seen Chinese forces retreat from their positions in Pangong lake - but today they remain at other border flashpoints, such as the Depsang Plains and Hot Springs.
In reply, India has built a chain of roads and bridges around the LAC that would allow for large numbers of troops to be deployed at short notice to the border, where temperatures can fall to minus 45 degrees.
“The Galwan incident changed the whole face of the LAC. The mobilization of troops by China needed counter mobilization for which we needed infrastructure and roads,” a senior defense official told The Telegraph. “We pressed in combat engineers to complete the construction work planned for five years in just over five months,” he said.
China has been conducting live-fire exercises with mortars - REUTERS

China has been conducting live-fire exercises with mortars - REUTERS
Until last year's fighting there was little concern leaving the border posts along the LAC to the unarmed Indo-Tibetan Border Police (ITBP). The only war the two nations have fought, in 1962, ended in humiliation for India - leaving a steady truce.
But India has now sent two infantry divisions to Ladakh to reinforce an existing division of the Army's 14 corps, diverting one from the frontier with Pakistan-controlled Kashmir.
It has also added 10,000 troops to the Strike Corps based in India's plains that are trained for combat specifically with Pakistan and China. India's army chief General M M Navarane, who in April inspected the troops in Ladakh, has warned the nation must be prepared for a prolonged stand-off with China.
“We are very clear that no de-escalation can take place before disengagement at all friction points. The [Chinese] troop presence in the whole front, right from Ladakh up to Arunachal Pradesh, continues. We have to be ready to be deployed in the long run too,” he said. New hardware has also been diverted to the frontier, with the troops backed by India’s most advanced self-propelled howitzers, surface-to-air missiles, and 24 Rafale fighters purchased from France since last July.
Indian soldiers crossing a river in the Galwan Valley in June last year, according to footage shown on Chinese state TV - GETTY IMAGES

Indian soldiers crossing a river in the Galwan Valley in June last year, according to footage shown on Chinese state TV - GETTY IMAGES
Meanwhile Delhi is in the process of procuring lightweight Sprut SDMI1 lightweight tanks that can function in the difficult terrain, something not possible for the 70-tonne locally-made Arjun tanks that form the bulk of its existing force.
Four Heron TP drones purchased from Israel will also shortly be deployed for long surveillance missions.
Across the border, China's state-run Global Times newspaper recently reported that the PLA's Xinjiang military command - which oversees the border - has received new long range rocket launchers, howitzers and armoured vehicles.
The PLA last week held joint military exercises with Pakistan in Tibet.
“War remains unlikely,” Asian security analyst Arzan Tarapore told The Telegraph, “but the risk is significantly higher now than before the crisis began in May 2020”
“The disengagement has stalled and talks have not restored the status quo,” he said, adding that while the build-up may have been intended to deter conflict, both sides were now far better prepared to fight.
The deployment, Mr Tarapore said, would also have damaging knock-on effects for India’s ability to secure the Kashmir border.
“We should be watching to see if the US withdrawal from Afghanistan prompts some Pakistan-based networks to turn their gaze back to Kashmir,” he said.
When the snow falls once more on the mountaintops this winter, it will only provide temporary cover for a conflict that is warmer than at any time for decades.

It’s not “IF,” but WHEN. Ching will never, ever, admit that it is between a rock and a hard spot. “Face” is, and always has been, everything. To admit that it is not in total control of everything, would be tantamount to suicide. Even if it means MAD does exist for everyone, including China, the ”truth” will never willingly come out. Think of it as the Chinese version of “Disclosure...”

OA
 

jward

passin' thru
A year after Galwan clash, China beefing up positions along LAC
Dinakar Peri
NEW DELHI, June 13, 2021 21:59 IST
Updated: June 14, 2021 09:06 IST

  • S
1x1_spacer.png

Tanks pull back from the banks of Pangong Lake on February 10, 2021. | Photo Credit: AP


PLA has rotated troops, built fresh infrastructure, hospitals in area.

A year since the violent clash between the Armies of India and China in the Galwan Valley in eastern Ladakh, the Chinese People’s Liberation Army (PLA) has built additional accommodation in the depth areas along the Line of Actual Control (LAC) on its side and is preparing for the long haul, official sources said.
“PLA has built additional accommodations, both permanent and temporary, in Rudok, Kangxiwar, Gyantse and Golmud areas. Construction of field hospitals and procurement of additional snow mobility vehicles by the PLA also indicate that they are preparing for the long haul and permanent winter occupation of these posts,” a source said.
Also read | PLA campaign highlights LAC actions ahead of CPC anniversary

Regiments replaced
According to intelligence inputs, the Chinese troops in the Pangong Lake area have all been rotated. China’s 4th and 6th Divisions were withdrawn from both the banks of Pangong Lake to Rutog County for repairs in February, and returned to Xinjiang for repairs in the past three weeks. They were replaced by the 8th and 11th Divisions. Each division has two mobile infantry regiments, an armoured regiment, an artillery regiment and an air defence regiment.
“China is also intensifying construction work behind the main confrontation points in Aksai Chin,” the source said, citing intelligence inputs.

The PLA has also conducted exercises in Tibet and opposite Arunachal Pradesh. For instance, in the first week of this month, the PLA conducted a small arms training at Shigatse in Tibet. The PLA soldiers were trained in anti-tank rocket launchers, grenade launchers, anti-aircraft machine guns and other weapons, according to inputs. In early May, Chinese state media Global Times reported that a unit of the PLA in the Xinjiang Military District under the Western Theatre Command had deployed new long-range heavy rocket artillery in the border region at an altitude of 5,200 metres.
Also read | Minor face-off with Chinese troops in Galwan Valley

Near Arunachal Pradesh
Training was also recently conducted at a location opposite Tawang in Arunachal Pradeshat an altitude of 5,130 meters by a regiment from Shannan Army division, the official stated.
Chief of Defence Staff General Bipin Rawat recently said all armies during peacetime carry out training activities, and the conduct of exercises is one such event to maintain operational preparedness. He added that China as well as India has carried out turnover of troops, and the best way to familiarise new troops is to carry out exercises.
On the disengagement situation in the Pangong Tso area, two officials said both sides had agreed to and have actually disengaged from the Finger areas on the north bank, but added that it was only disengaged and not de-induction.

Most Chinese deployment had just shifted back to the rear areas, one of the officials said.
Also read | India, Chinese troops came face-to-face at Naku La in Sikkim on January 20
Both sides have also emptied the heights of the Kailash ranges on the south bank where the Indian Army was in an advantageous position after decades due to the operation by the Special Frontier Force (SFF) in the end of August pre-empting Chinese moves to occupy them.
However, there has been no progress in the talks for disengagement at Gogra and Hotsprings as well as in Demchok and the strategic Depsang Valley. There was no change in the ground situation since the disengagement at Pangong Tso and the situation is quiet, the second official said.
In the first combat fatalities in 45 years, 20 Indian soldiers were killed in the violent clash after they were attacked by Chinese troops in the Galwan Valley on the night of June 15, 2020, during a “de-escalation” process after a month-long stand-off between the troops at several points in eastern Ladakh and Sikkim. China, which initially did not reveal its casualty numbers, later said four of its soldiers had been killed.
Also read | Ladakh villagers lose grazing grounds at Pangong Tso

11 rounds of talks
India and China have so far held 11 rounds of military talks for disengagement and de-escalation in eastern Ladakh since the stand-off began early May 2020. Defence officials said there was no clarity yet on when the next round of talks would be held.
Army chief General M.M. Naravane recently said India was dealing with China in a “firm and non-escalatory” manner and the coming rounds of talks would focus on restoration of status quo ante of April 2020.
The Ministry of External Affairs spokesperson recently said the process of disengagement along the LAC “remains unfinished” and an early completion of disengagement could lead to de-escalation of forces which would “hopefully” lead to full restoration of peace and tranquillity in the border areas and enable overall progress in the bilateral relationship.

Posted for fair use
 

danielboon

TB Fanatic
India Shifts 50,000 Troops to China Border in Historic Move
Sudhi Ranjan Sen, Bloomberg News

An Indian army convoy travels through Zoji La, a high mountain pass bordering China, in Ladakh, India, on June 13. Photographer: Yawar Nazir/Getty Images

An Indian army convoy travels through Zoji La, a high mountain pass bordering China, in Ladakh, India, on June 13. Photographer: Yawar Nazir/Getty Images , Photographer: Yawar Nazir/Getty Images AsiaPac
(Bloomberg) -- India has redirected at least 50,000 additional troops to its border with China in a historic shift toward an offensive military posture against the world’s second-biggest economy.
Although the two countries battled in the Himalayas in 1962, India’s strategic focus has primarily been Pakistan since the British left the subcontinent, with the long-time rivals fighting three wars over the disputed region of Kashmir. Yet since the deadliest India-China fighting in decades last year, Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s administration has sought to ease tensions with Islamabad and concentrate primarily on countering Beijing.
Over the past few months, India has moved troops and fighter jet squadrons to three distinct areas along its border with China, according to four people familiar with the matter. All in all, India now has roughly 200,000 troops focused on the border, two of them said, which is an increase of more than 40% from last year.
Both the Indian Army and a spokesman for the Prime Minister’s Office in New Delhi didn’t respond to requests for comment.
Whereas previously India’s military presence was aimed at blocking Chinese moves, the redeployment will allow Indian commanders more options to attack and seize territory in China if necessary in a strategy known as “offensive defense,” one of the people said. That includes a lighter footprint involving more helicopters to airlift soldiers from valley to valley along with artillery pieces like the M777 howitzer built by BAE Systems Inc.While it’s unclear how many troops China has on the border, India detected that the People’s Liberation Army recently moved additional forces from Tibet to the Xinjiang Military Command, which is responsible for patrolling disputed areas along the Himalayas. China is adding fresh runway buildings, bomb-proof bunkers to house fighter jets and new airfields along the disputed border in Tibet, two of the people said. Beijing also adding long-range artillery, tanks, rocket regiments and twin-engine fighters in the last few months, they said.

China’s Foreign Ministry “will not comment on unsubstantiated information,” a spokesperson said in response to questions.The fear now is that a miscalculation could lead to an even deadlier conflict. Several recent rounds of military-diplomatic talks with China have made minimal progress toward a return to the quiet status quo that had prevailed along the border for decades.“Having so many soldiers on either side is risky when border management protocols have broken down,” said D. S. Hooda, a lieutenant general and former Northern Army commander in India. “Both sides are likely to patrol the disputed border aggressively. A small local incident could spiral out of control with unintended consequences.”The northern region of Ladakh — where India and China clashed several times last year — has seen the largest increase in troop levels, three of the people said, with an estimated 20,000 soldiers including those once engaged in anti-terrorism operations against Pakistan now deployed in the area. The reorientation means India at all times will have more troops acclimatized to fight in the high-altitude Himalayans, while the number of troops solely earmarked for the western border with Pakistan will be reduced.
India has also obtained an offensive capability along the southern Tibetan plateau near the center of the border. In that more populated area, regular soldiers outfitted with machine guns have joined lightly armed paramilitary officers, the people said.In the far eastern state of Arunachal Pradesh, where most of India’s border forces had been located and where much of the 1962 India-China war played out, newly acquired French-made Rafale fighter jets armed with long-range missiles are being deployed to support the boots on the ground, the people said.The Indian Navy is also taking action, putting more warships along key sea lanes for longer durations. Its efforts include studying energy and trade flows in and out of China, according to an Indian Navy official who asked not to be identified, citing rules for speaking to the media.The maneuvering follows a period of relative calm after a summer of fighting last year that saw India lose control over about 300 square kilometers (115 square miles) of land along the disputed mountainous terrain, Bloomberg reported. The worst clash in June left 20 Indian and four Chinese soldiers dead.
Read More:
  • China Gained Ground on India During Bloody Summer in Himalayas
  • India Captured Strategic Outposts in Stealth Move Against China
  • Secret Tibetan Military Force Raises Stakes in India-China Clash
  • Why Chinese and Indian Troops Clashed in the Himalayas: QuickTake
For Prime Minister Narendra Modi, the shift comes as the pandemic ravages India’s hinterland and the economy contracts by the worst in four decades, leaving less money for defense. At the same time, India is stepping up security cooperation with fellow Quad partners — the U.S., Japan and Australia — to gain leverage against China.“The crisis over the last year has brought home the reality to India’s decision makers that China presents the biggest strategic challenge in the future, and it has led to shifting the attention away from Pakistan,” Sushant Singh, a senior fellow at the Centre for Policy Research and visiting lecturer at Yale University said. “As this plays out fully, it will alter the geopolitics of the region significantly.”Still, despite India’s strategic shift and the troop movements, China retains an advantage along the border, said Sana Hashmi, a visiting fellow at the Taipei-based Taiwan-Asia Exchange Foundation.“The economic and military asymmetry will remain in place,” she said. “And there is a long way to go for India to bridge this asymmetry.”
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
India Shifts 50,000 Troops to China Border in Historic Move
Sudhi Ranjan Sen, Bloomberg News

An Indian army convoy travels through Zoji La, a high mountain pass bordering China, in Ladakh, India, on June 13. Photographer: Yawar Nazir/Getty Images

An Indian army convoy travels through Zoji La, a high mountain pass bordering China, in Ladakh, India, on June 13. Photographer: Yawar Nazir/Getty Images , Photographer: Yawar Nazir/Getty Images AsiaPac
(Bloomberg) -- India has redirected at least 50,000 additional troops to its border with China in a historic shift toward an offensive military posture against the world’s second-biggest economy.
Although the two countries battled in the Himalayas in 1962, India’s strategic focus has primarily been Pakistan since the British left the subcontinent, with the long-time rivals fighting three wars over the disputed region of Kashmir. Yet since the deadliest India-China fighting in decades last year, Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s administration has sought to ease tensions with Islamabad and concentrate primarily on countering Beijing.
Over the past few months, India has moved troops and fighter jet squadrons to three distinct areas along its border with China, according to four people familiar with the matter. All in all, India now has roughly 200,000 troops focused on the border, two of them said, which is an increase of more than 40% from last year.
Both the Indian Army and a spokesman for the Prime Minister’s Office in New Delhi didn’t respond to requests for comment.
Whereas previously India’s military presence was aimed at blocking Chinese moves, the redeployment will allow Indian commanders more options to attack and seize territory in China if necessary in a strategy known as “offensive defense,” one of the people said. That includes a lighter footprint involving more helicopters to airlift soldiers from valley to valley along with artillery pieces like the M777 howitzer built by BAE Systems Inc.While it’s unclear how many troops China has on the border, India detected that the People’s Liberation Army recently moved additional forces from Tibet to the Xinjiang Military Command, which is responsible for patrolling disputed areas along the Himalayas. China is adding fresh runway buildings, bomb-proof bunkers to house fighter jets and new airfields along the disputed border in Tibet, two of the people said. Beijing also adding long-range artillery, tanks, rocket regiments and twin-engine fighters in the last few months, they said.

China’s Foreign Ministry “will not comment on unsubstantiated information,” a spokesperson said in response to questions.The fear now is that a miscalculation could lead to an even deadlier conflict. Several recent rounds of military-diplomatic talks with China have made minimal progress toward a return to the quiet status quo that had prevailed along the border for decades.“Having so many soldiers on either side is risky when border management protocols have broken down,” said D. S. Hooda, a lieutenant general and former Northern Army commander in India. “Both sides are likely to patrol the disputed border aggressively. A small local incident could spiral out of control with unintended consequences.”The northern region of Ladakh — where India and China clashed several times last year — has seen the largest increase in troop levels, three of the people said, with an estimated 20,000 soldiers including those once engaged in anti-terrorism operations against Pakistan now deployed in the area. The reorientation means India at all times will have more troops acclimatized to fight in the high-altitude Himalayans, while the number of troops solely earmarked for the western border with Pakistan will be reduced.
India has also obtained an offensive capability along the southern Tibetan plateau near the center of the border. In that more populated area, regular soldiers outfitted with machine guns have joined lightly armed paramilitary officers, the people said.In the far eastern state of Arunachal Pradesh, where most of India’s border forces had been located and where much of the 1962 India-China war played out, newly acquired French-made Rafale fighter jets armed with long-range missiles are being deployed to support the boots on the ground, the people said.The Indian Navy is also taking action, putting more warships along key sea lanes for longer durations. Its efforts include studying energy and trade flows in and out of China, according to an Indian Navy official who asked not to be identified, citing rules for speaking to the media.The maneuvering follows a period of relative calm after a summer of fighting last year that saw India lose control over about 300 square kilometers (115 square miles) of land along the disputed mountainous terrain, Bloomberg reported. The worst clash in June left 20 Indian and four Chinese soldiers dead.
Read More:
  • China Gained Ground on India During Bloody Summer in Himalayas
  • India Captured Strategic Outposts in Stealth Move Against China
  • Secret Tibetan Military Force Raises Stakes in India-China Clash
  • Why Chinese and Indian Troops Clashed in the Himalayas: QuickTake
For Prime Minister Narendra Modi, the shift comes as the pandemic ravages India’s hinterland and the economy contracts by the worst in four decades, leaving less money for defense. At the same time, India is stepping up security cooperation with fellow Quad partners — the U.S., Japan and Australia — to gain leverage against China.“The crisis over the last year has brought home the reality to India’s decision makers that China presents the biggest strategic challenge in the future, and it has led to shifting the attention away from Pakistan,” Sushant Singh, a senior fellow at the Centre for Policy Research and visiting lecturer at Yale University said. “As this plays out fully, it will alter the geopolitics of the region significantly.”Still, despite India’s strategic shift and the troop movements, China retains an advantage along the border, said Sana Hashmi, a visiting fellow at the Taipei-based Taiwan-Asia Exchange Foundation.“The economic and military asymmetry will remain in place,” she said. “And there is a long way to go for India to bridge this asymmetry.”

An Indian Army division is about 15,000 troops+8,000support troops; that's 2 divisions plus. You don't do that sort of thing for no reason, particularly with everything else going on......
 

jward

passin' thru
Indo-Pacific News - Watching the CCP-China Threa
@IndoPac_Info

20h

#India deployed another 50,000 troops to its disputed border with #China amid high tension Over the last 3 months, India has dispatched soldiers & fighter jets to the border, bringing its total up to 200,000 troops, an increase of 40% on last year.
2/ China has bolstered its infrastructure across the tundra with runways, bomb-proof bunkers for fighter jets, howitzers and outposts. Beijing has also sent long-range artillery, tanks, anti-aircraft missiles and fighter jet squadrons over the last few months.
3/ India's new deployment allows commanders more options if attacked and a tactic known as 'offensive defence,' a source said. In addition to Ladakh, India has sent more men to its other borders with China, including along the southern Tibetan plateau, between Nepal and Bhutan.
View: https://twitter.com/IndoPac_Info/status/1409784722998263811?s=20
 
Top