POL In Maricopa County, are missing ballots the smoking guns?

20Gauge

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I’ve stayed away from writing about the election audit in Arizona’s Maricopa County because I felt that, until the audit was completed, there wasn’t much point in trying to offering commentary about its progress. The big outlines were known: The audit was being carried out meticulously and both Democrats and NeverTrumpers objected vociferously. On Monday, though, a conservative reporter with a good reputation revealed some really stunning facts: Several hundred thousand ballots are missing and boxes that purported to hold ballots for counting contained only blanks.

Here’s Patrick Howley’s report (emphasis mine):

Several hundred thousand votes that were counted in Maricopa County, Arizona are associated with missing ballots, according to an audit organizer who is speaking regularly with people on the audit floor.
“We found a ballot shortage, anywhere from 5 to 10 percent of the votes,” Josh Barnett, an audit organizer who led the affidavit drive to make the audit happen, tells NATIONAL FILE. “It looks like a couple hundred thousand ballots are unaccounted for. The ballots are missing.”
“I also know that there were boxes filled with blank ballots in those pallets. There were blanks in there,” Barnett said, citing a person who is frequently at the audit site as part of the audit process. “They (election officials) were doing it for appearance, to try to hide the fact that ballots are missing by saying, ‘It’s okay, they’re all right here.’ But the ballots are blank.”
Read the rest here.

It’s always possible, of course, that the missing ballots will still turn up. However, given that Trump lost Arizona by only 10,457 votes, the fact that 5 to 10 percent of the votes are currently missing is staggering in its implications.

Certainly, that’s what Sundance, who has been all over this story like white on rice, thinks:

If this reporting turns out to be accurate, this will be an explosive development. However, that said, if this report is accurate… this is likely the reason why Maricopa County officials have been fighting the audit, hiring lawyers and positioning themselves in an attempt to undermine the chain-of-custody of the ballots.
If Democrats and NeverTrumpers were confident in their victory, they would have encouraged the audit -- provided, of course, that they got to watch and record every single movement to ensure the auditors’ honesty and accuracy. Their desperate opposition to the recount doesn’t suggest confidence; instead, it strongly suggests that they know the jig soon will be up, in Arizona at least.

Moreover, if the recount shows fraud in Arizona, at least some of the other states in which Biden’s victory was suspect will do recounts as well. No wonder AG Merrick Garland is doing everything he can to block the recount movement. And no wonder that some of our most popular posts at American Thinker are beginning to think the unthinkable: What if Trump really did win the election?

As for me, I continue to hew to a theory I put forth some time ago, which is that, since the Constitution is a contract between the American people and their government, common law fills in the blanks when the Constitution is silent about an issue. In this case, because the Founders never contemplated fraud on this scale, the common law offers the doctrine of “void ab initio.”

This long-standing legal rule (which I believe was in effect when the Founders ratified the Constitution) holds that, if a contractual obligation is entered into through fraud, everything that followed that fraud is void. That means that Biden’s six months of executive orders, statements, and everything else will be wiped clean. It’s certainly an enjoyable thought, even if it’s not correct or, if it’s correct, it never comes to fruition.
 

20Gauge

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They can argue fraud, but it will not change who is President in the slightest. The Constitution states only the following and that is states send electors and electors elect the President.... (ok ,,,I paraphrased).

The is no way to remove the President outside of impeachment. That is never ever going to happen.
 

WalknTrot

Veteran Member
They can argue fraud, but it will not change who is President in the slightest. The Constitution states only the following and that is states send electors and electors elect the President.... (ok ,,,I paraphrased).

The is no way to remove the President outside of impeachment. That is never ever going to happen.

Yup. It was up to the states months ago and too late now. There were plenty enough Red states to change the result, but they wimped out.

IF the Senate and House switch to Red in 2022...maybe an impeachment - I dunno. It's all uncharted waters.
 

mecoastie

Veteran Member
Yup. It was up to the states months ago and too late now. There were plenty enough Red states to change the result, but they wimped out.

IF the Senate and House switch to Red in 2022...maybe an impeachment - I dunno. It's all uncharted waters.
Impeachment doesnt solve the problem. Just transfers from Joe. if he makes it that long, to Kamala.

At this point it doesnt matter what they find for the Presidential but what about the Senate? Mark Kelly won by less than 80 thousand votes.
 

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
They can argue fraud, but it will not change who is President in the slightest. The Constitution states only the following and that is states send electors and electors elect the President.... (ok ,,,I paraphrased).

The is no way to remove the President outside of impeachment. That is never ever going to happen.

That's almost like saying you can keep a stolen car if you just avoid notice long enough.
 

Dobbin

Faithful Steed
At this point it doesnt matter what they find for the Presidential but what about the Senate? Mark Kelly won by less than 80 thousand votes.
This may be the key to a more "rational" government. If several seats are flipped either in the House or the Senate (flipping IS a possibility based on the fact that Congressional Elections are not subject to State Certification and in fact those fraudulently elected have been removed a couple of times already in the past) then Biden will have a severe uphill battle to pass legislation. And legislation that has already passed based on a fraudulent Congressional majority will be null and void based on the “void ab initio” principle.

Not that this will change anything with the Administrative conduct of the three letter agencies, or even the Border Protection.

BUT - a non-performance at the border, or obvious proved inaction/over-reaction of Administrative purview (such as incarceration without charges against the January 6 500) COULD be basis for Impeachment.

An impeachment which might get traction.

Flipping seats in the Senate might not yield the 2/3rd majority needed on the basis of party - but if enough Democrats find themselves connected to a widespread election fraud, they may flip themselves out of coming election self interest.

Dobbin
 

Sid Vicious

Veteran Member
Simple enough, void all federal laws and taxes until the feds decide to be reasonable. Raise state income or sales tax a bit.
 

Luddite

Veteran Member
Ask, tell, make.

People want a just and accurate accounting.
Garland & crew choose to spin a different reality.

WHICH side forcing make is ytbd.

I'm skeptical this all isn't scripted on several levels.
 

somewherepress

Has No Life - Lives on TB
They can argue fraud, but it will not change who is President in the slightest. The Constitution states only the following and that is states send electors and electors elect the President.... (ok ,,,I paraphrased).

The is no way to remove the President outside of impeachment. That is never ever going to happen.
There are other ways to remove the President--as specified in the Declaration of Independence.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
I am not a constitutional scholar but since it is actually still the electors that elect the President, I think Biden is socked in unless removed by impeachment (could happen if fraud was proven) the 25th amendment, pressured into resigning (like Nixon), etc.

But senators have no such constitutional "protection," they are directly elected by the voters and if there is enough voter fraud proven to overturn their elections (and that has happened in the past once or twice I think, someone here may know) anyway I think those seats would flip the actual winner and/or a new election called by the State Governer (that may depend on State laws, again I'm not sure).

However, there only needs to be one seat that flips to the Republicans to have a tie (meaning Kamala spends many hours in the Senate waiting to vote) or two seats to have a majority in congress (again if I remember correctly, sometimes I lose count).

That absolutely terrifies Biden's handlers because they know with a Republican majority in the Senate they are likely to just be a lame-duck administration for two years in terms of getting any of their agenda rammed through congress.
 

danielboon

TB Fanatic
I am not a constitutional scholar but since it is actually still the electors that elect the President, I think Biden is socked in unless removed by impeachment (could happen if fraud was proven) the 25th amendment, pressured into resigning (like Nixon), etc.

But senators have no such constitutional "protection," they are directly elected by the voters and if there is enough voter fraud proven to overturn their elections (and that has happened in the past once or twice I think, someone here may know) anyway I think those seats would flip the actual winner and/or a new election called by the State Governer (that may depend on State laws, again I'm not sure).

However, there only needs to be one seat that flips to the Republicans to have a tie (meaning Kamala spends many hours in the Senate waiting to vote) or two seats to have a majority in congress (again if I remember correctly, sometimes I lose count).

That absolutely terrifies Biden's handlers because they know with a Republican majority in the Senate they are likely to just be a lame-duck administration for two years in terms of getting any of their agenda rammed through congress.
Don't forget Georgia there are 2 there
 
Someone said if we get the house back, they pick Trump for speaker and he starts impeachment. If that work, impeachment Kamela as well for the same crime.
 

Tristan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
They can argue fraud, but it will not change who is President in the slightest. The Constitution states only the following and that is states send electors and electors elect the President.... (ok ,,,I paraphrased).

The is no way to remove the President outside of impeachment. That is never ever going to happen.


So it appears possible that they just 'made up' those votes, right? Outta thin air. Punch a button, add 10k, or perhaps the infinitely more time consuming process of re-scanning the ballots over and over again...

Unless of course, they 'find them' in a closet, or stored in a election official's garage, or, as happened in Florida one time, in the trunk of the vehicle of an election worker who 'forgot' to turn them in (iirc that was Bush-Gore and they were 'finding' ballots in Gore strongholds for weeks).

The fraud was there to see from the very beginning, for those who had eyes to see. The vote-dumps in the middle of the night, the absolute disconnect between the rallies of the candidates, etc., etc. ad nauseum, and etc.

And cared enough to see.


Proof would be good, of course.

And sadly I must agree with you that it won't equate to a triumphant return of President Trump - imho.

Hope I'm wrong, though.
 

parocan

Veteran Member
I think what the powers that be, the puppet masters are truly afraid of isn't them showing
that President Trump won. It's showing that voting machines can't be trusted. It will make
people around the world(how many countries use dominion/smartmatic voting machines).
wonder about their elections going back many years. As people around the world
learn how these machines have been used to steal the elections of many countries do you
think going forward they will allow them to keep being used? I doubt it.
 

NoDandy

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I think what the powers that be, the puppet masters are truly afraid of isn't them showing
that President Trump won. It's showing that voting machines can't be trusted. It will make
people around the world(how many countries use dominion/smartmatic voting machines).
wonder about their elections going back many years. As people around the world
learn how these machines have been used to steal the elections of many countries do you
think going forward they will allow them to keep being used? I doubt it.
The puppet masters should be afraid of them being hung, in mass ( as in Hang Them High )

But they most likely know that will not happen !

:ld::mad:
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
What is striking about the fraud is the blatant clumsiness on display: the Democrats aren't even trying to hide the fact that they are manufacturing ballots in industrial quantities. This is really, really interesting, and suggests that their motive is not simply to install their preferred candidate in 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. It suggests that the motivation is deeper, and darker.

Theodore Dalrymple studied Soviet era propaganda - the propaganda targeting not a western audience, but instead the populations of the Warsaw Pact. He was struck by how crude it was:

In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is in some small way to become evil oneself. One's standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control.
I think that this is what they're after - showing the country that they can steal an election and there's nothing that we can do about it. It comes from the same source that causes cities to remove statues of George Washington. It's showing who's up and who's down.

-- snipped from Borepatch: The real point of the Election Fraud
 
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