cetansa
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Word, Just waitin for it.
BRKG In EU hearing, #Pfizer director admits: #vaccine was never tested on preventing transmission. Get vaccinated for others" was always a lie.Update#28
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A BIG diesel!
Profit of Doom
Dismember
And yet they trot out monkeypox.
Profit of Doom
Dismember
Turning orchards into subdivisions.
Kayak
Adrenaline Junkie
I worry that this is a huge trap, and they'll show this video alongside Trump bragging about 'urging' the vaccine people to get a vaccine to market "so fast", and history will be rewritten to make all the deaths and vaccine injuries Trump's fault, when he (I think) fixed it so it was experimental and thus couldn't be mandatory (in the US), which saved those of us smart enough to think for ourselves.
BUBBAHOTEPT
Veteran Member
Kayak, that is the true nature of the Democrat Party and their leftist woke media stenographers in the typing pool. I completely understand your reasoning, because they can spin any truth into a lie and any lie into a truth.... 
somewherepress
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Dr. Vanden Bossche and Dr. Alexander: Pfizer's failure to test COVID vaccines for transmission | Voice for Science and Solidarity
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Dr. Vanden Bossche and Dr. Alexander: Pfizer's failure to test COVID vaccines for transmission
My content is available for free. I have lost extensive income due to my advocacy for early treatment and my stance against the COVID vaccines, for children. Your kindness and generosity is very much appreciated in my sharing of research and the fight against scientific censorship where several good and brilliant doctors and scientists are silenced and cancelled, including myself. It is absolutely imperative that people/populations are given accurate information about the benefits and harms of societal restrictions or medical interventions such as vaccines. Only then can people make informed decisions about what is best for them.
somewherepress
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StarryEyedLad
désespéré pour le ciel
What might the next step might be? "Oh, yes, there were some who misled the world about the vaccines, but we know better now. We'll never let this happen again! So you simply must continue to trust us, and listen to us from this point on. By the way, here's a new and improved jab!"
TheSearcher
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It's so maddening that it had to come to this.
Samuel Adams
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But it did come to this.
Where is the basic protection of life and liberty ?
Where is the basic protection of life and liberty ?
TheSearcher
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For me, it was defiance.
Samuel Adams
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TheSearcher
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My part. On "their" part, our "public servants", they were most derelict in their duties.
Samuel Adams
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Yes.
Once we must engage in defiance of “government” to remain in graces with Providence…….
Once we must engage in defiance of “government” to remain in graces with Providence…….
somewherepress
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Recent claims about Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccine trial and impact on transmission are misleading, fact-checkers report
According to the Associated Press, Pfizer never claimed the clinical trial of their COVID-19 vaccine evaluated its effect on transmission. Reuters also reports that "in clinical trials, vaccines were found to give recipients a high level of protection against severe disease – but effect on transmission, due to trial sizes, could not be immediately determined."
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Recent claims about Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccine trial and impact on transmission are misleading, fact-checkers report
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Posts online are saying Pfizer "admitted" that the company did not test whether their COVID-19 vaccine reduced transmission prior to rolling it out – something they were not required to do, nor claimed to have done https://reut.rs/3EJINWK
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Confusion continues to spread online over the impact COVID-19 vaccines can have on transmission.
@ReutersFacts
delved into what was known about this in November 2021. See our explainer https://reut.rs/3DCEZTy
https://twitter.com/ReutersFacts/status/1580229950841315328/photo/1
"Clinical trials are intended to check the safety and efficacy of new drugs and vaccines before they are approved for widespread use. Testing for the prevention of disease transmission is not typically part of initial trials, according to vaccine experts. In this case, the vaccine's ability to prevent transmission was assessed later in the roll-out of the vaccine, which was developed in response to a worldwide pandemic." — Lead Stories
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Fact Check: Fact Check: Pfizer Vaccine Clinical Trial NOT Intended To Test Transmission Prevention -- That's Not How Clinical Trials Work
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Fact Check: Pfizer Vaccine Clinical Trial NOT Intended To Test Transmission Prevention -- That's...
Did a Pfizer representative "admit" the company erred when its COVID-19 vaccine was "never tested on preventing transmission" of the...
PolitiFact
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A video of an exchange between a Dutch politician and a Pfizer executive is being framed by some as a shocking revelation about the COVID-19 vaccine trials. It’s not.
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PolitiFact - Alleged revelation about Pfizer vaccine trial is nothing new
A video of an exchange between a Dutch politician and a Pfizer executive is being framed by some as a shocking revelation about the COVID-19 vaccine trials. It’s not. Since 2020, Pfizer has said...
Rachel Schraer
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1. The vaccines were tested for whether they reduced people's chances of catching Covid - they seemed to, giving less chance of the virus being passed on. But they didn't look specifically at whether they stopped already infected people passing the virus on (transmission)
Grrrrr... DS's inlaws are both very sick... she has COVID *and* influenza A, he "only" has influenza. They both got the flu shot and COVID booster 3 weeks ago. This is probably their fourth COVID booster.
This man is brilliant... literally a nuclear physicist. But he believes the party line and in doctors completely. It's tragic.
Summerthyme
somewherepress
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The Convid Vaccine, was made to MURDER GODS CHILDREN, PERIOD.
GOD, will pusnish them, his way.
Bridey Rose
Veteran Member
The vax manufacturers never claimed they proved the vax prevented transmission of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19. So this is old news.
That said, if there are fewer contagious people circulating, you could expect less virus to be transmitted. Not that I'm pro-vax in any way...
That said, if there are fewer contagious people circulating, you could expect less virus to be transmitted. Not that I'm pro-vax in any way...
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Not sure what you are basing your opinion on. But this is not old news.
View: https://twitter.com/techjudge/status/1581104233990197248
View: https://twitter.com/backtolife_2023/status/1580959806516363270?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1580959806516363270%7Ctwgr%5Ecf576185ff561908154600b08e8788be59388900%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fjustthenews.com%2Fgovernment%2Ffederal-agencies%2Fpfizer-testimony-covid-vaccines-and-transmission-resurrects-scrutiny
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Scrutiny on regulators grows after Pfizer testimony that COVID vax was never tested for transmission
Twitter booted COVID contrarian journalist days after FDA commissioner-turned-Pfizer board member complained he was whipping up physical threats against Anthony Fauci.
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Scrutiny on regulators grows after Pfizer testimony that COVID vax was never tested for transmission
Twitter booted COVID contrarian journalist days after FDA commissioner-turned-Pfizer board member complained he was whipping up physical threats against Anthony Fauci.
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Scrutiny on regulators grows after Pfizer testimony that COVID vax was never tested for transmission
Twitter booted COVID contrarian journalist days after FDA commissioner-turned-Pfizer board member complained he was whipping up physical threats against Anthony Fauci.By Greg Piper
Updated: October 14, 2022 - 11:56pm
APfizer executive's admission that the company had no idea whether its COVID-19 vaccine would stop viral spread, the oft-recited basis for vaccine mandates and restrictions on those who refuse jabs, has ramped up the negative spotlight on regulatory agencies and public officials worldwide.
As the U.S. extends the COVID public health emergency declaration another 90 days despite President Biden's declaration that "the pandemic is over," the revolving door between U.S. regulators and drugmakers is also under scrutiny.
Asked during a European Parliament hearing whether Pfizer tested its mRNA vaccine for transmission before its emergency use authorization, President of International Developed Markets Janine Small responded "No" with a slight chuckle.
"We had to really move at the speed of science to really understand what is taking place in the market," Small explained to Dutch MEP Rob Roos, who tweeted the clip. "'Get vaccinated for others' was always a lie," Roos wrote.
Small filled in for Pfizer CEO Albert Bourla, who pulled out of testifying in the wake of an audit that found European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen was "directly involved in preliminary negotiations" for a Pfizer-BioNTech contract, rather than the usual "joint negotiating team" composed of EC and member countries' officials, Politico reported.
Due to "extremely high public interest," the European Public Prosecutor's Office confirmed Thursday it has an "ongoing investigation into the acquisition of COVID-19 vaccines in the European Union" but won't make more details public yet.
Leaked November 2020 internal emails from the European Medicines Agency, obtained by TrialSiteNews, show that its head of vaccines strategy Marco Cavaleri said the FDA was being "pushed hard by Azar and US GOV" to "rush into EUA" before Christmas, referring to then-Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar, previously a senior executive at Eli Lilly.
"We are speeding up as much as possible, but we also need to make sure that our scientific assessment is as robust as possible," EMA Deputy Executive Director Noel Wathion told other officials, worried the U.S. rush would make his agency look too slow.
The emails also showed U.S., U.K., European and Canadian regulators were aware of "significant loss of RNA integrity" in the commercial batches of Pfizer's vaccine compared to the clinical batches. The integrity threshold was subsequently lowered, leading Green MEP Michele Rivasi to ask Small at the hearing who was responsible for the decision.
Azar lists his job advising Foresite Capital first on his LinkedIn profile. The venture capital firm, which says it invests in "people, ideas and discoveries marrying tech and biotech," did not respond to a request for Azar's response to how he's characterized in the emails.
Scott Gottlieb joined Pfizer's board shortly after resigning as FDA commissioner in 2019, a role he left off a public letter in August 2021 urging colleges to impose vaccine mandates.
Newly revealed emails show Gottlieb pressured Twitter to deplatform COVID contrarian journalist Alex Berenson a week later, accusing him of physically threatening Anthony Fauci by criticizing and mocking the White House COVID adviser in Berenson's newsletter.
Twitter permanently suspended the former New York Times drug industry reporter four days after the email from Gottlieb and "24 hours after he had a secret conference call with Twitter employees about me," Berenson wrote Thursday night, citing a "Slack chat at the time of Gottlieb's call with them on August 27."
Asked about Berenson's revelations, which came from his settled litigation against Twitter, Gottlieb told CNBC he had "raised concerns about social media broadly" and the "inability of these platforms to police ... physical threats about people."
In referring to his claim about Fauci's safety, Gottlieb said — without naming Berenson specifically — he's "very concerned" by "people who gin up those threats against individuals."
Berenson responded by musing that Gottlieb was "daring me to sue him for defamation, and I might take him up on that offer."
Gottlieb shared the CNBC clip Friday, saying "threats by instigators who target people for harassment and even violence" should be "carefully monitored" and denouncing "misleading dialogue which can instigate a small but persuadable group of people to make targeted and dangerous threats."
He didn't respond to requests through the American Enterprise Institute, where he returned as senior fellow after leaving the FDA, to confirm what he was claiming about Berenson.
Some scientists believe Small's testimony in the European Parliament has been overblown. University College London Genetics Institute Director Francois Balloux tweeted that "neither the Pfizer or Moderna CEO promised" their vaccines would reduce transmission.
U.S. public health officials "got carried away soon after the Covid vaccine rollout" by initially high protection against pre-Omicron strains, he said. "It should have been obvious from the beginning" that protection against transmission "was a transient benefit."
An Associated Press fact-check noted that when the FDA issued the Pfizer EUA, the agency said it does not have "evidence that the vaccine prevents transmission of SARS-CoV-2 from person to person."
The wire service portrayed repeated claims by U.S. public officials, including President Biden, that the COVID vaccines "prevent transmission" as an "overstatement." Officials and medical organizations still recommend vaccination to prevent severe outcomes regardless of age or COVID risk factors.
By claiming the original vaccines provide "less protection" against Omicron transmission, the AP went further than Bourla himself, who said Pfizer's vaccine offers "very limited if any" Omicron protection. The AP also failed to mention that new Omicron-targeting vaccines were not tested on humans before their U.S. EUA.
"Early data from our trial evaluating our Omicron BA.4/BA.5-adapted" vaccine shows "increased neutralizing antibodies" compared to the original, Bourla tweeted Thursday, "suggesting it could potentially provide better protection" against these subvariants. He didn't say the early data showed a reduction in severe outcomes such as hospitalization.
The CDC is not citing specific evidence of enhanced protection for children ages 5-11 from the so-called bivalent vaccines in its public messaging. Like the AP, the agency went further than Bourla in its claims.
"CDC recommends that everyone ages 5+ years get an updated bivalent #COVID19 booster if it has been at least 2 months since your last booster or final primary," the CDC tweeted Wednesday.
"The updated booster provides broader protection against newer BA.4 and BA.5 Omicron variants," the agency said, apparently referring to Bourla's claim about neutralizing antibodies without his caution about "potentially" improving protection.
The CDC and FDA didn't respond to queries about their representations about the protection offered by mRNA vaccines in light of Small's testimony that reiterated Pfizer offered no evidence of reduced transmission from its clinical trials.
Samuel Adams
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If by “regulators”, we mean “elected officials, bureaucrats, etc.”…..I’m in.
Though, at this late stage, accountability is moot.
All that is left is to depart the burning building of civil society affiliation.
Though, at this late stage, accountability is moot.
All that is left is to depart the burning building of civil society affiliation.
TheSearcher
Are you sure about that?
People are PISSSSSSED OFF and very much NOT accepting this "fact check". The horse seems to have finally escaped the barn, methinks.
Samuel Adams
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See T-Ferguson’s latest post in the BS.
I rather hope your sentiment wins out…..over his……but got my doubts.
TheSearcher
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Will do.
somewherepress
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By "fact checks" they mean gaslighting...
TheSearcher
Are you sure about that?
I responded there, but to paraphrase, I think the inertia between the "Pax Vax" and "Don't Jab Me Bro" camps is changing, and even more rapidly now with this week's revelations.
Seriously? They are making this differentiation on what “transmission” means?