In 20 ys of watching TB2K, I have seen only one Prepper who understands the chokepoint in prepping.
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West
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One of the reasons I bought the land we are at, is because of the good soft water from one of the best (in this AO) aquifers in the state.
160 feet deep with a static of only 45 feet, though able to easily provide 30 plus gallons a minute if we wanted. A dedicated well drilled in 07 for just the wind pump.
Thinking knowing now how to work, restore, repair and install old windmills might be a useful asset too.
160 feet deep with a static of only 45 feet, though able to easily provide 30 plus gallons a minute if we wanted. A dedicated well drilled in 07 for just the wind pump.
Thinking knowing now how to work, restore, repair and install old windmills might be a useful asset too.
I am sure having trouble getting my idea across-opaque as usual, I guess. So..........
Potable water is the Achilles heel of just about everybody. What say 20 2-man teams spread out over fly-over country one night and not long after that the grid goes down over 100,000 sq miles. Because the transformers at 200 substations are melted down and there are no replacements.
Now what?
Lots of people here licking their chops over all those folks along the eastern seaboard starving to death or something. Well, it is gonna be dehydration, not starvation if there is a siege. Unfortunately that can be brought to your neighborhood too with very few 'boots on the ground'.
You might do alright as long as nobody catches on what your situation is. But if you can hold out two weeks, you will probably be home free with buzzards as company.
bw
Fringe Ranger
I don't think so. I don't pick up a lot of neener-neener in the prepper community, so much as I get check-that-what's-next. I don't know anyone here salivating over less-prepped communities dying like Armenians in the desert. Maybe that's how you see it.
TammyinWI
Talk is cheap
Thank you. Great contribution here.
Just a Nurse 2
Senior Member
A bored well is our daily use.
bw
Fringe Ranger
Your context is unclear. Quoting the post you're replying to is a great way to make it clearer.
Profit of Doom
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“Potable water is the Achilles heel of just about everybody. What say 20 2-man teams spread out over fly-over country one night and not long after that the grid goes down over 100,000 sq miles. Because the transformers at 200 substations are melted down and there are no replacements.”
I assume you are referring to this happening to us, instead of the cities? I think we are better prepared than them, as we are seeing here. Never hurts to discuss it, in any case. I’m outside a small city, not a likely primary target, but might fall with the larger neighboring targets.
I assume you are referring to this happening to us, instead of the cities? I think we are better prepared than them, as we are seeing here. Never hurts to discuss it, in any case. I’m outside a small city, not a likely primary target, but might fall with the larger neighboring targets.
ArisenCarcass
Veteran Member
Based on the rule of 3, wouldn't air filtration be most important?
Rule of 3:
3 minutes without air
3 hours without shelter (in most harsh environs)
3 days without water
3 weeks without food
3 years without people (socialization is important in social creatures)
That said, it seems that almost everyone is water-prepped, and just didn't clue you in.
Rule of 3:
3 minutes without air
3 hours without shelter (in most harsh environs)
3 days without water
3 weeks without food
3 years without people (socialization is important in social creatures)
That said, it seems that almost everyone is water-prepped, and just didn't clue you in.
Hfcomms
EN66iq
One should also understand how to distil water as well. Sometimes the water can be so bad as in brackish or contaminated with chemicals that even a water filter can't take care of. If your on the coast with ocean water or in a rather arid climate where water is scarce distillation may be an option to get water that you otherwise couldn't.
West
Senior
Exactly, and why having a full fledged copper still is a asset. One that's built heavy duty enough to sit above a wood fire if need be. So the next asset is to live wood lots and young guns to gather wood.....
CaryC
Has No Life - Lives on TB
I was going to respond to that, and see that AC beat me to it. Which is a great rule of thumb for survival. Shelter, water, food. Prep accordingly.
But will end with this: Buzzards don't make good neighbors. They use dead turtles as bombs. At least they do on my dog.
Bumblepuff
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hiwall
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Water is one of the biggest concerns for a prepper. Water is the cheapest thing anyone could store, yet it is one of the most difficult items to store. One of the troubles with water is the sheer amount we need. It is bulky and heavy.
Some people think they have the water situation figured out because there is a surface water source a half mile away. That is not the answer though I suppose it could possibly work for someone.
Water is very heavy to transport. It is difficult for a regular person to transport even a three days supply of water for one person any distance.
Most people have pets and would have to include those pets in any water decisions.
I cannot think offhand of any viable longer-term water solution for most people living in an urban area or even the suburbs.
Some people think they have the water situation figured out because there is a surface water source a half mile away. That is not the answer though I suppose it could possibly work for someone.
Water is very heavy to transport. It is difficult for a regular person to transport even a three days supply of water for one person any distance.
Most people have pets and would have to include those pets in any water decisions.
I cannot think offhand of any viable longer-term water solution for most people living in an urban area or even the suburbs.
RDF12
Contributing Member
When the livestock are out in the fields, I make a point of hauling the water out to them, by hand, on foot. 2-5gal buckets. I have to stop a few times, as the distance can be over 400yrds, and over hilly terrain. But it can be done.
And it is a great work out!
Profit of Doom
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What about contamination with chemicals that have low boiling points, around or below 212? One would need the knowledge and equipment to properly separate such liquids.
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RDF12
Contributing Member
You, sir, would not be the first to recommend one of those for me.
But my wife like how it makes my arms and back look!
RDF12
Contributing Member
Is an assumption of a mass die off after a grid down situation being taken into consideration?
I mean, if some of the projections are correct of a sizable % of the populace dies off in the first month/6 months/year that would mean less competition for resources.
That is if the remaining populace knows how to filter the water.
I know a lot of the populace will die as a result of the lack of potable water and sanitation issues. More so than the infamous MZBs.
Profit of Doom
Dismember
Are you considering this as a deliberate siege, or an inevitable natural result of CW or other SHTF?
Profit of Doom
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Our neighbors have a pool they use as, a pool. How would you filter/treat that for drinking?
hiwall
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Add shock and drink. Chlorine dissipates quickly when exposed to sun and air. This can be speeded up with any aeration (like dumping water back and forth between two buckets or glasses).
SouthernBreeze
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How do you get rid of the plastic taste of the water that has been stored in an airtight plastic jug for about a year? Will just running it through a Berkey fix it? Does it just need to be poured out?
hiwall
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Any filter with a charcoal element should remove most unpleasant tastes.
Civil War. 20th Century Civil War leaves no stone on another stone.
One thing that the Cultural Right seems unable to understand is that modern tech has increased the power of the weak exponentially. A couple hundred men could put half the center of the country into a living (and quickly dying) Hell. OK, so we do it to them. In that case, we are both dead.
Better to avoid the whole situation.
Profit of Doom
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If you cannot avoid it, or prevent it with our own efforts, then prepare to survive it. Hence this thread and thousands like it.
Chicken Mama
Veteran Member
Do t know if it was stated yet but do NOT use pool shock. Use regular unscented bleach that's got 5.25% sodium hypochlorites.
SouthernBreeze
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Thanks, that's what I was hoping. We have several of those blue plastic stackable water jugs filled with water, and we opened one to use, after it had sat for a year. It tasted awful!!!! Was on a camping trip. Good thing the campsite had available water for our use. We now have a Big Berkey with charcoal filters.
GammaRat
Veteran Member
Anyone who had basic training in a southern state will tell you that warm, plastic tasting water can be damn refreshing.
SouthernBreeze
Has No Life - Lives on TB
LOL, not this water! It had a "pucker factor" of 12 on a 1-10 scale! I was afraid the plastic had leeched into the water giving it that awful taste.
Jackpine Savage
Veteran Member
A flavored powder drink mix of your liking is good to have along. It helps when you're drinking boiled or chemically treated water.
Bumpkin
Old enough to know better
It isn't paranoia. It's realistic.