MSM I’m Horrified by My Kid’s Obsession With Toy Guns. What to Do?

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
I open up Firefox and what do I find in the Pocket section but THIS little number. Enjoy in good health. Some poor liberal mother is just distraught that her son---GASP!---LIKES TOY GUNS. Clearly this person must be converted to a woman as soon as possible lest the testosterone get too thick in him and he starts objectifying women and spreading colonialism!

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I’m Horrified by My Kid’s Obsession With Toy Guns. What to Do?

By Kwame Anthony Appiah
April 26, 2024

My son is a freshman in high school and has recently become obsessed with Nerf and airsoft guns. He wants to upgrade his arsenal with a new “rifle” for $250. I’m a pacifist and am horrified by his love of playing war with his friends in the neighborhood while there are two actual wars going on in Gaza and Ukraine, not to mention the threat of mass shootings at schools and elsewhere. Also, the pew-pew-pew that might seem cute in a little kid wielding a neon orange toy gun is very different in an almost-6-foot male wearing camo and eye protection and putting orange tape on the muzzle of the rifle to keep it from looking like a real weapon.

At the same time, this game-playing has gotten him and the neighborhood kids outdoors, which, given the lure of screen time and the isolating effects of the pandemic, feels like a gift. He is also creative and makes holsters and other things to give to his friends for the holidays, so there’s definitely an element of love and skill to his interest in these types of guns.

But the symbolism and his incessant requests that we bankroll a bigger, faster, more expensive version of these “rifles” is making me sick. I don’t know how to handle it. I have talked to him about wars and mass shootings and what these guns mean to me and other people in society. But I’m his mom, and as a teenager, he especially doesn’t want to listen to me. He says he understands, but then only days later, he is showing me a listing for the new model he wants for Christmas. (He enlisted the help of a friend to buy him his first toy rifle because he was too afraid to ask me.)

I really don’t want to encourage this type of role-playing, but how do I keep him outdoors and around kids he loves? I feel as if I’m walking a fine line between enabling a love of violence and overreacting. I wish he could be obsessed with something innocuous like hiking or origami. — Barb

From the Ethicist:

Secular culture, like religious culture, has its totems and taboos. For all of us, objects — a crucifix, a wedding ring, a sports car — take on meanings beyond their physical reality. So it makes sense that, for you, toy guns symbolize the harms you associate with real guns: the desire to exert control over others through intimidation or lethal force, the prospect of injury and death.

That’s not to say that there aren’t any risks associated with these toys in themselves. For one thing, their projectiles — even the softer, slower Nerf ones — can damage your eyes if you are hit and aren’t wearing protective glasses. There’s also the risk that these toys can be mistaken for real weapons. Though look-alikes are required to have an orange tip, that measure may not suffice, and replicas are banned in some jurisdictions. In 2016, two years after a police officer killed Tamir Rice, a 12-year-old boy who was playing with an airsoft replica handgun, a Washington Post analysis found that 43 people with toy guns were killed by the police in the previous year. Forty-three people a year is, of course, 43 too many. But given that millions of people use toy guns (Nerf said it sold 40 million blasters in 2020), and given that your son, with his eye protection, seems to be safety-conscious, his being physically injured by his war games probably shouldn’t be high on your list of things to worry about.
 

ktrapper

Veteran Member
This has nothing to do with toy guns but first time my wife found some girly pictures my oldest son had hid she was mad, came and told me about it.
My repy was “Whew! Well thats a relief”
Wife “Well what do you mean by that?”
Me: “He likes boobies, not boys, he’s normal, we can deal with this, you dont want me trying to handle it, if it was boys pictures”

I would say the same about toy guns. The kid is trying to grow into manly things. Let him be a man.
 

greysage

On The Level
At least he's not hanging out with drag-queens or being a furry.

I recall my plastic M16 I got as a young boy. Sounded like a mini-bike revving when you pulled the trigger. I used to shoot at figures on TV from bad guys to cartoon characters.
 

Southside

Has No Life - Lives on TB
That was MY MOM! When I was a kid, I couldn't even have a cap gun. Nothing!
Mom lived alone down in Flagler County FL. After dad passed, I got her to get her concealed carry. She took lessons, as one of her students husband(Mom taught quilting) was an instructor. She went shooting every week for 2 years. Loved to go.

I was proud of "Pistol packin' Pat!"
 

Dobbin

Faithful Steed
Owner has told of his "best friend" as a child.

Child of pacifist Quaker parents, Friend had been fully imbued with the pacifist faith underpinning of his parents.

But it was a curious family situation - Dad, while pacifist, was an amateur gunsmith of some ability. When confronted with the apparent irony of this, Dad's reply was "The best way to keep the peace is to prepare for war." So everyone found no conflict with his hobby - if he didn't.

But - Owner says the parents DID draw a line. Guns, even toy guns, HAD to be "respected." I.e. kept in a box, locked up when not in use, and returned to the box after use. Owner says as a child he thought this a parental over-reach - but today he understands the reason for the distinction.

Owner still has some spent shells he received as a child from this Dad. Big and brass and perhaps 5" long one assumes they were not for a 22 caliber. This pacifist Dad had some serious "toys."

Dobbin
 
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Illini Warrior

Illini Warrior
I'm guessing we have a classic case of "forbidden fruit" >>> this HS kid has been sheltered - in particular to any violence and associated items >>>

suddenly he got a dose somehow - video gaming is a good chance - he's obsessed with the new taste of a fruit previously withheld ....

my only concern would be some wild hair stupidity of joining the military without knowing reality >>>>
 

day late

money? whats that?
I have long said that the first two people at the scene of any violent crime are the criminal and the victim. I'm not a criminal, but I REFUSE to be a victim.

It would seem this woman simply has to volunteer to be a victim. I'd almost be willing to wager she also wants to defund the police, much more likely making her a victim.
 

Pebbles

Veteran Member
In 1985 our son was 4 and there was a little boy who lived behind us. His mom asked if he could come over and play. Well, he came over and was introduced to all things He-Man and Battle cat, sword fights, and laser guns. Even worse I introduced him to sugar with some homemade cookies. He went home totally over the moon about swords and laser guns. Mom talked to me and said she had kept all sweets away from their son as well as any type of weapons. She still let him come over to play and she told my after a few weeks that her son was obsessed with knives and guns.

Interestingly, she rethought her and her husband's ban on all things boys love that brings out the warrior in a boy.
 

Hermantribe

Veteran Member
This has nothing to do with toy guns but first time my wife found some girly pictures my oldest son had hid she was mad, came and told me about it.
My repy was “Whew! Well thats a relief”
Wife “Well what do you mean by that?”
Me: “He likes boobies, not boys, he’s normal, we can deal with this, you dont want me trying to handle it, if it was boys pictures”

I would say the same about toy guns. The kid is trying to grow into manly things. Let him be a man.
Next year it will be motorcycles, then mom can really freak out
 

buttie

Veteran Member
Funny how "the Ethicist" gave her something new to worry about. Cops killing her kid over a toy gun.
That's a real thing and almost happened to my son. He had an airsoft rifle in the car and the cop "didn't see" the orange tip. Called for backup and ordered out of the car at gun point.
 

energy_wave

Has No Life - Lives on TB
In my youth, we'd look in the woods for dead tree branches and cut or break them into the shape of a machine gun, then play army. Boys, girls, everyone until the 6:00 whistle blew and we all had to go home for dinner. Cap guns came next.
 

vector7

Dot Collector
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Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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I’d actually be concerned for kids like him. A child that wasn’t raised to use guns and understand gun safety, but then in high school suddenly became obsessed, isn’t a good thing. The fact that it’s an air gun now means nothing. Soon he’ll be able to buy a rifle on his own, and then I’m betting that we end up with yet another mass shooting.
 

Griz3752

Retired, practising Curmudgeon
I would say give him lessons in safety, and responsibility.
^^^^^^^^

IF mom takes that route, she probably has little if anything to worry about.

Like most here, I grew up with guns almost every where I was.
Just like all the other tools encountered in my youngster days, I was educated in their care, handling and use. It seems everything had the capacity to deliver harm or serious injury if mishandled.

Part of my self discipline was based on the skills I learned with all the tools around our house and the trust my parents exhibited.
 

Publius

TB Fanatic
A look back to the 1950s and 1960s they would be horrified that most kids from that time were all running around with a cap-gun that looked like a western six shooter and playing cowboys and Indians or acting out parts of a western movie.
Worse a young a eight year old boy being trained to used a real firearm.
This was part of my childhood growing up but not all of it and it did lead to using real guns for hunting and shown respect for nature & wildlife, hunting and fishing the idea is take only what you need and not to fill the freezer with rabbits and squirrels or fish.
 

raven

TB Fanatic
You need to send your bullshit detector in for reconditioning.

By Kwame Anthony Appiah

First - That is a man.
Second - His wife or husband is Henry Finder.
Third - There are no children in his bio.
Fourth - he was born the same year as I was, although in England and grew up in Ghana (perhaps with Obama)

HIS full name is Kwame Akroma-Ampim Kusi Anthony Appiah
And he is a philosopher which at least rhymes with liar.
 

Pebbles

Veteran Member
I’d actually be concerned for kids like him. A child that wasn’t raised to use guns and understand gun safety, but then in high school suddenly became obsessed, isn’t a good thing. The fact that it’s an air gun now means nothing. Soon he’ll be able to buy a rifle on his own, and then I’m betting that we end up with yet another mass shooting.
That is my thought too. Seems a bit immature to be running around the neighborhood like a 7 year old. If she doesn't step up and get that kid into a weapons training class of some kind to teach him about fire arms she's gonna have a real problem on her hands.
 

anna43

Veteran Member
My late unlamented b-i-l bought my son a "machine gun" when he was four and it made a terrible noise. I got my revenge five years later when I bought my nephew a drum set. Probably only drove my sister crazy because b-i-l was always out in la la land on drugs.

I think my son was either a freshman or sophomore in high school when he went to a gun safety class. It was taught by the Pastor of our church who lost his brother in a gun accident. Over 40 years later and that Pastor is still teaching gun safety classes.
 

Greenspode

Veteran Member
That's a real thing and almost happened to my son. He had an airsoft rifle in the car and the cop "didn't see" the orange tip. Called for backup and ordered out of the car at gun point.
Circa 1996 or 1997 I was boarding a horse at a local facility. Horse had developed severe allergies, and was prescribed Prednisone and Albuterol. Once a week I would grind up the pills, and place the proper dosage of, now white powder, in a small baggie and tie it off. I brought the barn 14 little baggies of white powder every week, so they could just dump it in his feed without needing to take the time to grind it themselves.

At the same time, the youth equestrian organization I coached was preparing for a tetrathlon competition, which is like pentathlon but has only running, shooting, swimming and riding. Our club owned a few of the air guns used for the shooting portion, and I transported those guns around as needed.

I was driving to the barn one day with 14 little baggies of white powder, and 5 very real looking air pistols, all on the backseat of my car. Never gave it a thought. Not even when I was pulled over for some minor infraction or another. I have to say, it is amazing how fast the officers friends all showed up!

It was a very tense hour or two, and I certainly developed a healthy understanding for how dramatically different things can look to those without all the information! That this happened in a small town with a fairly healthy horsey community, and that my attire (breeches and boots) and demeanor (mortified) fit my explanation far more accurately than their initial interpretation of the situation, saved what could have been a bad outcome otherwise.

Live and learn!
 

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
Circa 1996 or 1997 I was boarding a horse at a local facility. Horse had developed severe allergies, and was prescribed Prednisone and Albuterol. Once a week I would grind up the pills, and place the proper dosage of, now white powder, in a small baggie and tie it off. I brought the barn 14 little baggies of white powder every week, so they could just dump it in his feed without needing to take the time to grind it themselves.

At the same time, the youth equestrian organization I coached was preparing for a tetrathlon competition, which is like pentathlon but has only running, shooting, swimming and riding. Our club owned a few of the air guns used for the shooting portion, and I transported those guns around as needed.

I was driving to the barn one day with 14 little baggies of white powder, and 5 very real looking air pistols, all on the backseat of my car. Never gave it a thought. Not even when I was pulled over for some minor infraction or another. I have to say, it is amazing how fast the officers friends all showed up!

It was a very tense hour or two, and I certainly developed a healthy understanding for how dramatically different things can look to those without all the information! That this happened in a small town with a fairly healthy horsey community, and that my attire (breeches and boots) and demeanor (mortified) fit my explanation far more accurately than their initial interpretation of the situation, saved what could have been a bad outcome otherwise.

Live and learn!

For want of a cardboard box, the afternoon was lost. :D
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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In my youth, we'd look in the woods for dead tree branches and cut or break them into the shape of a machine gun, then play army. Boys, girls, everyone until the 6:00 whistle blew and we all had to go home for dinner. Cap guns came next.

It is almost impossible to find cap guns these days. And if you can find the guns, you can't find the ribbon ammo that goes with them. They have this next to useless plastic guns with red rings you can "pop" but I remember when you could load a cap gun with a brand new paper red roll and if you knew what you were doing it was a long time before you had to "reload". LOL

I taught my brother the right way to load a cap gun. I'm also the one that taught him you could take a roll and a magnifying glass on a sunny day and really have some fun. Hey, what's a big sister for? I also pulled him for miles in his red rider wagon so long as he didn't fuss about Barbie and Ken coming along. We dug holes to China and dined on mud pies. We still grew up to be almost polar opposites in some ways but we still laugh about the "wagon train" and "cap gun" days.
 
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