WAR Idiots Are Just Discovering That This War Is Dangerous

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SEPTEMBER 22, 2022 AUTHOR: CAITLIN JOHNSTONE 31 COMMENTS
Idiots Are Just Discovering That This War Is Dangerous

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Everyone who acts like it’s a new and unprecedented horror whenever Putin reminds the west that Mutually Assured Destruction still stands is just admitting that they never understood what’s at stake in this proxy war and always thought this was some kind of ****ing game.

“Oh my God, he’s saying he might use nukes!” Yeah that’s what happens when you start a war with a ****ing nuclear-armed nation, dipshit. That’s why you’re a ****ing moron for yelling at those of us who’ve been calling for de-escalation and detente. Change how you are. Stop cheerleading this insane game of nuclear chicken and begin calling for de-escalation.

It’s so crazy how people pretend the US wouldn’t use nukes in response to the exact same type of attacks that Putin is warning against. Like we all know this isn’t some weird new threat that Vladimir Putin invented, right? Do we understand that this is the very reason antiwar activists have spent years warning against this exact confrontation and calling for detente instead?

This shouldn’t scan as something new for you. If Putin reiterating the longstanding principle of Mutually Assured Destruction makes you freak out like something new is being said, it’s because you didn’t pay attention in history class. If you were previously unaware that the threat of nuclear annihilation was baked into this proxy war from the very beginning, that just means it’s time to reassess your support for this proxy war.

Yes this situation is insanely dangerous. No that’s not because of anything Putin has been saying.

They said NATO expansion wouldn't be escalatory. It was.

They said giving Ukraine long-range weapons wouldn't be escalatory. It was.

Now they promise Putin is bluffing. Do you trust them? pic.twitter.com/GITpU5FQnJ

— Clint Ehrlich (@ClintEhrlich) September 21, 2022

This was always going to be the result of the US policy of shipping billions of dollars worth of weapons into Ukraine and discouraging peace talks at every turn. I hope they’re happy. https://t.co/zDNn8PTVm5

— Dave DeCamp (@DecampDave) September 21, 2022



If you’re wondering why we’re seeing more war propaganda today than at any point since World War Two, a big part of it is because it’s going to take a tremendous amount of psychological manipulation to get people to accept the financial hardship that must inevitably befall them as part of the empire’s economic warfare against Russia. Only by ungodly amounts of propaganda would people consent to having their bank accounts emptied for a US proxy war that benefits them in no way and which places them at greater and greater risk of nuclear annihilation.



A truly free and liberal society would not use propaganda, censorship and information ops to manipulate the way the public thinks about a war, but if you criticize the way the western empire is using those exact measures you get a bunch of “liberals” defending their use.



Anyone who still doubts that US government agencies are aggressively disrupting online discourse has packing foam for brains. https://t.co/i3voyySJJG

— Caitlin Johnstone (@caitoz) September 20, 2022

Facebook contacted the Pentagon when they busted its trolls using bogus accounts, not to tell them to stop, but to help them up their game. pic.twitter.com/ECrTkVmlkH

— Caitlin Johnstone (@caitoz) September 20, 2022



Pretty wild how the US State Department stopped publishing its annual transparency reports about US government arms trafficking right when the US government began pouring billions of dollars into proxy warfare campaigns.



Watch all the western right wingers who’ve been stomping on women’s rights at home transform into a bunch of bra-burning feminists over women’s rights in Iran.



The fact that the US routinely seizes other nations' territory by force doesn't legitimize Russia's doing so. But it does mean that the US is the very last government on earth who has any business voicing such a grievance, and it does mean the US should shut the **** up. https://t.co/wH3G0tszaX

— Caitlin Johnstone (@caitoz) September 21, 2022



One of the craziest things happening in the world today is the way weapons manufacturers are allowed to pour money into corrupt think tanks who go on to directly influence the foreign policy and military budget decisions of the most powerful war machine that has ever existed.

War profiteers being allowed to successfully and very effectively lobby for more war is not morally different from slaughtering human beings at industrial scale and selling their organs; the only difference is the way the money gets made. If you kill people and sell their bodies you’ll be called a monster, but if you kill the same number of people for the same amount of money via weapons industry profits in weapons industry-lobbied wars, you’ll be called an industrious job creator.

This is allowed to continue because the US empire is fuelled by human blood. It’s a symbiotic relationship; neither the arms industry nor the empire can live without war, so any amount of corrupt lobbying for murder and destruction is not just tolerated but warmly welcomed.

It turns out it’s impossible to get the world to unite under a single power structure without violence and the threat thereof. So it’s only natural that an empire where there’s no clear separation of corporation and state would see war profiteers knit themselves into state power.



Future generations, if there are future generations, will scarcely be able to believe that it was once legal for corporations which directly profit from war and militarism to insert themselves into key points of influence and lobby — successfully — for more war and militarism.



The entire US empire would collapse if American teenagers weren't economically pressured to sign up to kill impoverished foreigners for Raytheon shareholders. https://t.co/0Q8yBPOcwD

— Caitlin Johnstone (@caitoz) September 20, 2022



People ignore politics because they perceive (correctly) that neither of their country’s two mainstream political factions cares about them, and because they perceive (incorrectly) that those two mainstream political factions are the only possible framework for political action.

A tremendous amount of perception management has gone in to getting people to buy into the absurd delusion that not only can status quo politics be used to change the status quo, but that it’s the only way to change the status quo. People stop ignoring politics when they learn there’s a whole meaningful reality underneath that delusion.

That’s when the apolitical majority becomes political. When their eyes open to the fact that (A) things are ****ed, (B) the political system is rigged to make sure they stay ****ed, and (C) that the political system is irrelevant because we vastly outnumber those who run it.



The Ukrainian government and a former NATO Secretary-General have drafted a proposal for a "multi-decade" commitment to NATO proxy warfare in Ukraine.https://t.co/YSXs6NUrNF pic.twitter.com/AtlsRzQkA9

— Caitlin Johnstone (@caitoz) September 20, 2022



Humanity taking another step toward world war between nuclear superpowers is as good a time as any to reassess our priorities in life. What we think about, what we talk about, what we speak out about, where our attention gravitates, where we place our political energy, how we spend our time on this earth, and with whom.

Anyone who is interested in a sincere relationship with reality must take seriously the possibility that this could all be gone soon, and use that as a guidepost for how they spend their time and energy on this planet.
 

raven

Has No Life - Lives on TB
People do not understand the most critical issue around the policy of
Mutual Assured Destruction.

It is OUR Doctrine. We developed it to provide balance.
And then we won the cold war.

But at some point after that, the US became the bully. We could do anything we wanted or else MAD.

Invade Afghanistan? Don't interfere or MAD.
Iraq? Libya? Syria? Yemen?
Don't interfere or MAD.

Europe was protected by US guarantees of MAD.

And then Russia woke up one day completely surrounded with the west intent of dismantling Russia too
and they realized MAD works both ways.
And in fact, it works to the advantage of the weaker because the west has much more to lose.

You don't like Mutual Assured Destruction?
Suck it up cupcake, it is your Doctrine.
 

Josie

Has No Life - Lives on TB
This is what I and a bunch of us on TB have been screaming since day one of "the Russian Invasion". If you believed all the msm lies and believed that the U.S. government and NATO was in the right, you got played. Russia and Putin are doing EXACTLY what we would have done if the tables had been turned. To think otherwise is foolish. It's really a dog-eat-dog world and the pack will pile on if they perceive weakness, which the U.S., under Pudding Cup's "leadership", has been displaying EVERY SINGLE DAY since January 20th, 2021. Unfortunately, it's the citizenry caught in the middle that will pay the price.
 
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Starrkopf

Veteran Member
People who have never been in a real fight always think it's a game until they get punched in the face.

We're a society that has been sheltered from the harsh realities of real life and live most of our lives online shitposting and making a mockery of everything without thought for what happens in the real world.

I've been alarmed about this since the beginning and I do think everyone is insane enough to push it far enough to end up with (if we're really lucky) at least a limited exchange. if we're not lucky fallout won't just be a popular game series.
 

Raggedyman

Res ipsa loquitur
This is what I and a bunch of us on TB have been screaming since day one of "the Russian Invasion".
DO tell it loud. remember the old days of the BULLSHIT war on terror? remember that catchy phrase "Support Our Troops"?

the very best way we could "Support Our Troops" would be by INSISTING every last one be brought IMMEDIATELY back home and the ABSOLUTE REFUSAL to permit them to be involved in UNNECESSARY FOREIGN ENTANGLEMENTS
- AKA -

GLOBALIST MANUFACTURERS AND RESOURCE WARS
for the benefit of
the RICH MEN of the EARTH
 

dstraito

TB Fanatic
What if:

What if the US and deep state does not care one iota for Ukraine?

What if nuclear war is the end goal and they are purposely prodding the nuclear hornets nest?

What if they are going to accomplish their depopulation narratives Agenda 21 or 2030, they figure they have run out of time and pushed the chips to the middle and are "all in"?

What if this is the fulfillment of the Deagel 2025 numbers?

I am not worried about as there is nothing I can do about it, just curious.
 

Starrkopf

Veteran Member
What if:

What if the US and deep state does not care one iota for Ukraine?

What if nuclear war is the end goal and they are purposely prodding the nuclear hornets nest?

What if they are going to accomplish their depopulation narratives Agenda 21 or 2030, they figure they have run out of time and pushed the chips to the middle and are "all in"?

What if this is the fulfillment of the Deagel 2025 numbers?

I am not worried about as there is nothing I can do about it, just curious.
It's a good question, I have no way to know for sure but it would make a lot of sense.
 

Sooth

Veteran Member
But every war/conflict/police action/necessary engagement since before Vietnam we have been in has been authorized as an Official Declaration of War by the United States Congress. It’s not as if some President has arbitrarily taken us into some unnecessary battleground.

Oh, wait, uh. My Agent Orange cancer is calling out to me to correct some of the previous. No need. Everyone here gets it. This has been going on for a long, long time. My tours in Korea and Nam remind me as do Smedley Butler’s tours and his book, “War Is A Racket”.

I think I know when the big war with canned sunshine will commence. When the Obamas get on a long range private jet and head for a sudden vacation in New Zealand, you might want to put your electronic devices inside those improvised EMP trash can shelters. Those who profit from war and death rarely experience the immediate results of their evil.
 

Old Gray Mare

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I'm thinking about calling my Congress critters (leftist Democrats) and taking the shrinking opportunity to thank them for their service.... while I still can. I want them to know how much I appreciate their efforts in the face of certain death. Putin's threat to use nukes isn't an idle one. Russia isn't North Korea. Russia has working missile delivery and guidance systems. I've no doubt what so ever that Putin will give the order and his troops will send Armageddon to the US with significant attention paid to Washington, DC.
 

bracketquant

Veteran Member
But every war/conflict/police action/necessary engagement since before Vietnam we have been in has been authorized as an Official Declaration of War by the United States Congress. It’s not as if some President has arbitrarily taken us into some unnecessary battleground.

Oh, wait, uh. My Agent Orange cancer is calling out to me to correct some of the previous. No need. Everyone here gets it. This has been going on for a long, long time. My tours in Korea and Nam remind me as do Smedley Butler’s tours and his book, “War Is A Racket”.

I think I know when the big war with canned sunshine will commence. When the Obamas get on a long range private jet and head for a sudden vacation in New Zealand, you might want to put your electronic devices inside those improvised EMP trash can shelters. Those who profit from war and death rarely experience the immediate results of their evil.
I'm not old enough to have been there, but I've found no evidence that Congress declared war in Korea.
 

Raggedyman

Res ipsa loquitur
dstraito - please note - the following comments ARE NOT an attack on you personally - but my clamoring against the concept of a "What if" mindset.
What if: the US and deep state does not care one iota for Ukraine?

What if nuclear war is the end goal and they are purposely prodding the nuclear hornets nest?
IMHO anyone who ever considered that US/deep state DID CARE about Ukraine is a complete and utter kool-aide drinker and entirely deluded. beyond their desired and planned for war, they have NEVER cared
What if this is the fulfillment of the Deagel 2025 numbers?

I am not worried about as there is nothing I can do about it, just curious.
here are a few more "what ifs" to ponder . . .

WHAT IF we all just simply adopted a "there is nothing I can do about it" attitude about EVERYTHING ELSE? take for instance these jewels:
  • WHAT IF - I/we never made our next mortgage payment? paid our electric or phone bill?
  • WHAT IF - I/we never went to work again bought groceries; took care of our family RESPONSIBILITIES?
  • WHAT IF - I/we FAILED to realize that FATHER imposes RESPONSIBILITIES on each of us? is not the greatest of these ACTIONS to validate our FAITH? yes I know - I'm repeating myself - but here goes - because as I see this it is OBVIOUS on its face:
you can have all the FAITH you need. but with the out the DOING PART - YOURS - you may well be in for a huge surprise. Noah BUILT the ark and Joseph SAVED (prepped?) for seven years.

D O I N G
is an important part of
LIVING and BEING​

don't believe that? great. lets simply sit back on our collective ASS and DO all the WHAT IF - I/we's that are out lined above - check back in in a few months - let us know what happened and how it worked out.

WE have RESPONSIBILITY in and for our FUTURE
to believe otherwise is to accept FATE as the ultimate outcome; to BELIEVE we are not part of our ultimate construct. that very concept flies in the face of not only FAITH itself but the concept of FREE WILL. are not our CHOICES in accordance with the concept of FREE WILL an incredibly LARGE PART of our SALVATION - BOTH - spiritual and physical? don't we each CHOOSE our own way?

the simple point I've attempted to make with this is that we can not EVER allow ourselves to adopt the "WHAT IF/ WHAT CAN I DO ABOUT IT" mindset.

TRUTH: WE can not control every outcome every time
TRUTH: WE can not expect optimum survival without the action of BEING and DOING
TRUTH: WE can not abdicate our GOD GIVEN RESPONSIBILITY to be concerned for and about our ultimate outcome
 

coalcracker

Veteran Member
You know how sometimes you just sense something? Someone is about to call, and sure enough, the phone rings. Or if you ever played sports or board games, sometimes you can see the outcome just prior to it actually happening. We humans have an incredible intuitive sense that has developed over many generations and it’s carried in our DNA.

Lately I’ve been noticing how people I know have been struggling with anger/depression/anxiety. They can’t put their finger on it, but something internally keeps ringing their “spidey senses.”

Something big is on the horizon.

The biological attacks, both Covid and the vax, have shown the world what the evil political powers are willing to do to reduce the carbon footprint on Planet Earth. WWIII is coming, my friends. We can feel it.

As my friend “Tumbler” liked to say, “Be repaired!”
 

Griz3752

Retired, practising Curmudgeon
People do not understand the most critical issue around the policy of
Mutual Assured Destruction.

It is OUR Doctrine. We developed it to provide balance.
And then we won the cold war.

But at some point after that, the US became the bully. We could do anything we wanted or else MAD.

Invade Afghanistan? Don't interfere or MAD.
Iraq? Libya? Syria? Yemen?
Don't interfere or MAD.

Europe was protected by US guarantees of MAD.

And then Russia woke up one day completely surrounded with the west intent of dismantling Russia too
and they realized MAD works both ways.
And in fact, it works to the advantage of the weaker because the west has much more to lose.

You don't like Mutual Assured Destruction?
Suck it up cupcake, it is your Doctrine.
^^^^^
Quite astute and I think makes the point we let this happen quite thoroughly. . . .
 

Raggedyman

Res ipsa loquitur
But every war/conflict/police action/necessary engagement since before Vietnam we have been in has been authorized as an Official Declaration of War by the United States Congress. It’s not as if some President has arbitrarily taken us into some unnecessary battleground.

Oh, wait, uh. My Agent Orange cancer is calling out to me to correct some of the previous. No need. Everyone here gets it. This has been going on for a long, long time. My tours in Korea and Nam remind me as do Smedley Butler’s tours and his book, “War Is A Racket”.
FIL's name was Bob. CWO4 - retired 26 years USA. mechanized infantry, Korean war vet with 2 tours in Vietnam. heard him speak virtually word for word exactly what you said Sooth.

RIP chief - you've been so absolutely right on so many things that I've lost count down here old friend
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
Korea - UN police action ...

This is why the returned Korean War troops were draped in a UN flag
Eric Milzarski

Posted On April 29, 2020 15:41:23

This past week, the 65th anniversary of the Korean Armistice Agreement, saw the return of 55 troops’ remains by the North Koreans to the United States. A U.S. Air Force C-17 flew into Wonsan, North Korea, to pick up the remains before returning them to Osan Air Base, South Korea.

The troops who received the remains wore white gloves and dress uniforms. The remains of the deceased were placed in boxes and each box was draped in the United Nations’ flag — not Old Glory. Now, before you get up in arms about it, know that there’s a good reason for using the UN flag.

This is why the returned Korean War troops were draped in a UN flag
And so began the first of many wars between Capitalism and Communism.

(U.S. Marine Corps photo by Cpl. P. McDonald)

The Korean War began on June 25th, 1950, when the North sent troops south of the 38th parallel. Shortly after the invasion, the newly-formed United Nations unanimously opposed the actions of North Korea.

The Soviet Union would’ve cast a dissenting vote if they hadn’t been boycotting participation in the United Nations for allowing the Republic of China (otherwise known as Taiwan) into the security council instead of the People’s Republic of China (communist mainland China). Instead, the Soviets and the communist Chinese backed the fledgling communist North Korea against the United Nations-backed South Korea.

This is why the returned Korean War troops were draped in a UN flag
The South Korean loss of life totaled 227,800 — quadruple every other nation combined.

(U.S. Army photo by Sgt. Brian Gibbons)

Historically speaking, the United States was not alone in fighting the communists. Nearly every UN signatory nation gave troops to the cause. While America had sent in 302,483, the United Kingdom sent 14,198, Canada sent 6,146, Australia sent 2,282, Ethiopia sent 1,271, Colombia sent 1,068 — the list continues.

South Korea contributed almost doubled the amount of every other nation combined at 602,902, which doesn’t include the unknown number of resistance fighters who participated but weren’t enlisted. These numbers are astounding for conflict often called “the Forgotten War.”

This is why the returned Korean War troops were draped in a UN flag
Since then, nothing has really changed except the regimes.

United Nations troops fought en masse against the communist aggressors. The North had pushed the South to the brink, reaching the southern coastal city of Pusan by late August 1950. When United Nations forces entered the conflict at the battle of Inchon, the tides shifted. By late October, the battle lines had moved past Pyongyang, North Korea, and neared the Chinese border in the northwest.

It wasn’t until Chinese reinforcements showed up that the war was pushed back to where it all started — near the 38th parallel. These massive shifts in held territory meant that the dead from both sides of the conflict were scattered across the Korean Peninsula by the time the armistice was signed on July 27th, 1953.

This is why the returned Korean War troops were draped in a UN flag
North Korea hasn’t been much help as even they don’t always know which battle the remains were from. Which, you know, could have at least been a start.

(U.S. Air Force photo by Senior Airman Kelsey Tucker)

The first repatriation of remains happened directly after the war, on September 1st, 1954, in what was called Operation Glory. Each side agreed to search far and wide for remains until the operation’s end, nearly two months later, on October 30th. 13,528 North Korean dead were returned and the United Nations received 4,167 — but these numbers were only a portion of the unaccounted-for lives. America alone is still missing over 5,300 troops. South Koreans and UN allies are missing even more.

Over the years, many more remains were found and repatriated. Throughout the process, South Korea was fairly accurate in the labeling and categorizing of remains. North Korea, however, was not. To date, one of the only written record of Allied lives lost behind enemy lines comes from a secret list, penned by Private First Class Johnnie Johnson.

His list — a list he risked his life to create while imprisoned — identified 496 American troops who had died in a North Korean prisoner-of-war camp. Though this list has been the basis for some identifications, it accounts for just one-fourteenth of American missing fallen.

Today, the names, nationalities, and service records of a still-unknown number of fallen troops have been lost to time.

Of the 55 remains transferred this week at Wonsan, none have been identified. There is no way of knowing who that troop was, which country they were from, or, to some degree, if they were even enlisted at all. Until they are properly identified, they will be covered by the United Nations’ flag to show respect, regardless of which nation they served.


Photos at the link....
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Starrkopf

Veteran Member
dstraito - please note - the following comments ARE NOT an attack on you personally - but my clamoring against the concept of a "What if" mindset.

IMHO anyone who ever considered that US/deep state DID CARE about Ukraine is a complete and utter kool-aide drinker and entirely deluded. beyond their desired and planned for war, they have NEVER cared

here are a few more "what ifs" to ponder . . .

WHAT IF we all just simply adopted a "there is nothing I can do about it" attitude about EVERYTHING ELSE? take for instance these jewels:
  • WHAT IF - I/we never made our next mortgage payment? paid our electric or phone bill?
  • WHAT IF - I/we never went to work again bought groceries; took care of our family RESPONSIBILITIES?
  • WHAT IF - I/we FAILED to realize that FATHER imposes RESPONSIBILITIES on each of us? is not the greatest of these ACTIONS to validate our FAITH? yes I know - I'm repeating myself - but here goes - because as I see this it is OBVIOUS on its face:
you can have all the FAITH you need. but with the out the DOING PART - YOURS - you may well be in for a huge surprise. Noah BUILT the ark and Joseph SAVED (prepped?) for seven years.

D O I N G
is an important part of
LIVING and BEING​

don't believe that? great. lets simply sit back on our collective ASS and DO all the WHAT IF - I/we's that are out lined above - check back in in a few months - let us know what happened and how it worked out.

WE have RESPONSIBILITY in and for our FUTURE
to believe otherwise is to accept FATE as the ultimate outcome; to BELIEVE we are not part of our ultimate construct. that very concept flies in the face of not only FAITH itself but the concept of FREE WILL. are not our CHOICES in accordance with the concept of FREE WILL an incredibly LARGE PART of our SALVATION - BOTH - spiritual and physical? don't we each CHOOSE our own way?

the simple point I've attempted to make with this is that we can not EVER allow ourselves to adopt the "WHAT IF/ WHAT CAN I DO ABOUT IT" mindset.

TRUTH: WE can not control every outcome every time
TRUTH: WE can not expect optimum survival without the action of BEING and DOING
TRUTH: WE can not abdicate our GOD GIVEN RESPONSIBILITY to be concerned for and about our ultimate outcome
I agree that inaction is a sin, but in this case it's all way above my pay grade, my responsibilities are right here at home, I play the cards I'm dealt and let God sort out the rest. I have no way to prepare for such an event, if God wants me to live through it for some reason that's up to him, if not then I can accept that too.


I'm not paralyzed with fear, it either happens or it won't but I do acknowledge it's a possibility and have never considered the threat of a nuclear war to have been in the rear view mirror despite everyone trying to convince me otherwise for almost 30 years.
 

dstraito

TB Fanatic
dstraito - please note - the following comments ARE NOT an attack on you personally - but my clamoring against the concept of a "What if" mindset.

IMHO anyone who ever considered that US/deep state DID CARE about Ukraine is a complete and utter kool-aide drinker and entirely deluded. beyond their desired and planned for war, they have NEVER cared

here are a few more "what ifs" to ponder . . .

WHAT IF we all just simply adopted a "there is nothing I can do about it" attitude about EVERYTHING ELSE? take for instance these jewels:
  • WHAT IF - I/we never made our next mortgage payment? paid our electric or phone bill?
  • WHAT IF - I/we never went to work again bought groceries; took care of our family RESPONSIBILITIES?
  • WHAT IF - I/we FAILED to realize that FATHER imposes RESPONSIBILITIES on each of us? is not the greatest of these ACTIONS to validate our FAITH? yes I know - I'm repeating myself - but here goes - because as I see this it is OBVIOUS on its face:
you can have all the FAITH you need. but with the out the DOING PART - YOURS - you may well be in for a huge surprise. Noah BUILT the ark and Joseph SAVED (prepped?) for seven years.

D O I N G
is an important part of
LIVING and BEING​

don't believe that? great. lets simply sit back on our collective ASS and DO all the WHAT IF - I/we's that are out lined above - check back in in a few months - let us know what happened and how it worked out.

WE have RESPONSIBILITY in and for our FUTURE
to believe otherwise is to accept FATE as the ultimate outcome; to BELIEVE we are not part of our ultimate construct. that very concept flies in the face of not only FAITH itself but the concept of FREE WILL. are not our CHOICES in accordance with the concept of FREE WILL an incredibly LARGE PART of our SALVATION - BOTH - spiritual and physical? don't we each CHOOSE our own way?

the simple point I've attempted to make with this is that we can not EVER allow ourselves to adopt the "WHAT IF/ WHAT CAN I DO ABOUT IT" mindset.

TRUTH: WE can not control every outcome every time
TRUTH: WE can not expect optimum survival without the action of BEING and DOING
TRUTH: WE can not abdicate our GOD GIVEN RESPONSIBILITY to be concerned for and about our ultimate outcome

You make some good points. I guess I was trying to show I was merely speculating and not being chicken little.

In a small way I'd like to think I am doing something by my war gaming what ifs, putting the ideas into the nebulous electronic black hole where maybe it reaches someone who could do something about it.

I may be a little fatalistic, but I do get a sense of the decision to launch nukes is above my paygrade.
 

Ractivist

Pride comes before the fall.....Pride month ended.
Audrey Thomason wrote “The Apocalypse Equation” as her college thesis. She was in the situation room when osama was lost at sea..... her thesis was that, knowing it’s all gonna come apart, shouldn’t they take command of its breakdown, the answer was a mutually agreeable nuclear exchange amongst the powers that be, and then take control of the remnants. I think this is why k Schwab speaks of owning nothing and being happy, cuz you lived thru the first half of the Tribulation......and ther ain’t nothing left to own But life itself.
 

Raggedyman

Res ipsa loquitur
I agree that inaction is a sin, but in this case it's all way above my pay grade, my responsibilities are right here at home, I play the cards I'm dealt and let God sort out the rest.
yes indeed the point where our agreement converges is however that WE ARE NOT UNAWARE and INACTIVE. we prepare as best we can. we do NOT say "since I can't control it so I won't bury my head in the sand, rather I will DO WHAT I CAN to mitigate its affects on me and mine"

In a small way I'd like to think I am doing something by my war gaming what ifs, putting the ideas into the nebulous electronic black hole where maybe it reaches someone who could do something about it.

I may be a little fatalistic, but I do get a sense of the decision to launch nukes is above my paygrade.
in actuallity what you are doing is all any reasonable/responsible person COULD be expected to do. you mention "war gaming" . . . far different than an individual with a "there is nothing I can do about it" attitude. CLEARLY the "choice to launch" is beyond our capacity to control
 

BUBBAHOTEPT

Veteran Member
Audrey Thomason wrote “The Apocalypse Equation” as her college thesis. She was in the situation room when osama was lost at sea..... her thesis was that, knowing it’s all gonna come apart, shouldn’t they take command of its breakdown, the answer was a mutually agreeable nuclear exchange amongst the powers that be, and then take control of the remnants. I think this is why k Schwab speaks of owning nothing and being happy, cuz you lived thru the first half of the Tribulation......and ther ain’t nothing left to own But life itself.
Interesting scenario…. :hmm:
 

MinnesotaSmith

TB Fanatic
SO many mistakes here:

"United Nations troops fought en masse against the communist aggressors. The North had pushed the South to the brink, reaching the southern coastal city of Pusan by late August 1950. When United Nations forces entered the conflict at the battle of Inchon, the tides shifted."

1) U.N. (especially U.S.) troops entered long before Inchon. Look up Task Force Smith for starters.

2) The Norks never reached even the outskirts of the city of Pusan. Rather, the ~20% of South Korea they had not yet conquered was referred to as the Pusan Perimeter, which obviously contained Pusan.

Some authors need to read their T.R. Fehrenbach again (author of This Kind of War)
 

CaryC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
One: I may have to stand corrected but if I understand

But every war/conflict/police action/necessary engagement since before Vietnam we have been in has been authorized as an Official Declaration of War by the United States Congress. It’s not as if some President has arbitrarily taken us into some unnecessary battleground.

Oh, wait, uh. My Agent Orange cancer is calling out to me to correct some of the previous. No need. Everyone here gets it. This has been going on for a long, long time. My tours in Korea and Nam remind me as do Smedley Butler’s tours and his book, “War Is A Racket”.

I think I know when the big war with canned sunshine will commence. When the Obamas get on a long range private jet and head for a sudden vacation in New Zealand, you might want to put your electronic devices inside those improvised EMP trash can shelters. Those who profit from war and death rarely experience the immediate results of their evil.
...The meaning was/is there has NOT been a declared war since WWII, only Congress has that privilege.

2nd: Charge your Geiger Counter.
 

Meemur

Voice on the Prairie / FJB!
Bottom line for me: if Putin is fighting a terminal condition, and I think he is, he will do whatever is necessary to shore up Russia, period.

I don't believe that he is secretly working with Trump or white hats . . . he is working with his own people to put Russian interests first.

I look at events through that lens, and that's why I'm pushing the limits with my aching back to get the gardens ready for spring and what's left of the local potatoes into my basement pantry. If setting off a small nuke will shore up Russian interests, Putin will do so, and if nukes start going off,
that will slice and dice what's left of our economy.

One thing I respect about Putin: he has an honor code. If I, a Christian, ran into him on the street and presented zero threat to Russia, he wouldn't do anything to me. I can't say the same about our current government, even though I present zero threat to America.
 

Chance

Veteran Member
I've seen some video of those mini bombs being dropped by drones - truly amazing accuracy. And the cameras are very good - even getting close-ups. In one video, the Ukrainian military had a 16 year old kid operating the drone like it was a video game. Guess some kids are really good with drones, cameras, and video games. Videos were put to 'fun time' music as people were being killed/injured. That's the new technological face of war, it seems. 'Get a close up of your enemy being blown to smithereens or suffering after the fact.'

War is H....and this one is no exception. Everyone getting sucked in over there - most everything and most everyone becomes a 'casualty of war' one way or the other.

I think we'll soon know what it's like - coming to our shores.

GaryC put out a reminder to charge your Geiger Counter....thanks - I need to dust mine off and put in new batteries.
 

raven

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Putin does not have to push the MAD button to win, he has demonstrated that a few times with the signals to the west that he also controls the source for your energy needs.
The real fear is that the west will push the MAD envelope because we are losing.
Load up a couple of pipeline cleaning robots with a sufficient charge in each pipeline and execute at critical sections and then blow up the pumping terminal . . . no natural gas for anyone for a couple of years.
</sad face>
 

BUBBAHOTEPT

Veteran Member
One thing I respect about Putin: he has an honor code. If I, a Christian, ran into him on the street and presented zero threat to Russia, he wouldn't do anything to me. I can't say the same about our current government, even though I present zero threat to America.
:applaud: :applaud: Well put….

Reminds me of this quote:
“Would you tell me, please, Mister Howard, why should I trade one tyrant three thousand miles away for three thousand tyrants one mile away?

An elected legislature can trample a man's rights as easily as a King can.”
 

skwentnaflyer

Veteran Member
From a Russian friend in St. Petersburg.

“This was the last post here in FB. At least for the next few months.
Where you can find me - you know, all the links are in the profile header.
I sympathize with everyone to tears, my heart aches for everyone; yes, it really hurts and I really sympathize, I can't express it in words, but after all, I am not able and unable to be responsible for the whole country.
I'm doing my best, I'm not ashamed of the decisions within my area of responsibility. Right from day one .
Pls try to survive. Everyone should try their best.
Take care of yourself and your loved ones.“
 
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