How to remove Trump from office

imaginative

keep your eye on the ball
Donald Trump is a one-man basket of deplorables. He is a braggart and a liar. He is a bully and a demagogue. He is an ignoramus and a deadbeat, a chiseler and either a sincere racist or an insincere one, and his love for himself is matched only by my loathing of him. He is about to be president of the United States. A constitutional coup may be in the offing.

Since winning the election, Trump has not moderated his behavior. He still behaves like a brat — his childish tweet zinging Arnold Schwarzenegger for failing to get Trumpian ratings on “The New Celebrity Apprentice” being the most amusing example. Many of the others were just plain lies, the most serious being his earlier troubling statements regarding Russian efforts to affect the election. As always, Trump made this about himself — not, as it should be, about a foreign power meddling in our democracy.

Trump turns things on their heads. To him, the hacking story was an example of fake news — not the uncontestably false news that the Russians were spreading, but the news coming from our own intelligence community. Trump lives in a hall of mirrors — but not alone. Reince Priebus, the outgoing Republican National Committee chairman and now another of the moral eunuchs in Trump’s court, said on CBS News’s “Face the Nation” that the release of the intelligence community’s finding was “clearly politically motivated to discredit the victory of President-elect Trump.” Priebus, as my grandmother used to say, knows which side his bread is buttered on.

It is folly to think that aides such as Priebus are going to be able to moderate Trump. They are enablers, emptying their consciences and stuffing their egos, and it is even sillier to think that Trump himself will change. He is 70, into the years of ossification, and his political triumph has only convinced him of his inerrant correctness. He thinks he is infallible, a kind of secular pope. Things will go from bad to worse.

One remote remedy is impeachment by the House and conviction by the Senate. It is, as it should be, a laborious process and requires provable acts of treason, bribery or other “high crimes and misdemeanors” — very high bars indeed and difficult to define. In fact, no president has ever gone the whole way: not Andrew Johnson and not Bill Clinton.

There is, however, another way. Under the 25th Amendment to the Constitution, the vice president, together with a “majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide” can remove the president for being “unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office.” No doubt the mere mention of incapacitation would summon a horde of lawyers to Washington to contest it or the meaning of every term.

But it is plain that the 25th Amendment does give a role to Cabinet members that is not generally considered when they are up for confirmation. This time, however, they should all be asked whether they are aware of the 25th Amendment and, if need be, whether they would be willing to implement it. Some would say that they do not respond to hypotheticals, but a willingness to abide by the Constitution is not a hypothetical. It is, instead, a grave duty.

[This is the inaugural speech that Trump should give]

Is this going to happen? Probably not. We’ll just muddle through a Trump presidency, as we have some others. But the nature and malevolence of Donald Trump have to be borne in mind. He has shown little regard for the Constitution, as exemplified by statements saying that by definition anything a president does is legal, and he is prone to vulgar statements and tactics. Recall that he was once the most prominent birther, evidence of either racism or a chilling willingness to pander to it. Recall also, as Meryl Streep did at the Golden Globes, that Trump mocked Serge Kovaleski, a physically disabled New York Times reporter, and then denied that he had done anything of the sort. Here was the bully in full repugnance. Here was the liar in full contempt for the truth.

Since his election, Trump has done nothing to allay the concern that he is unfit for the presidency. In about a week, he’ll assume the presidency with all its awesome power. Maybe the only thing that will constrain him is his own Cabinet. Trump goofed. There are some good people in that room.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...d296534b31e_story.html?utm_term=.a5a3498efb28
 

Zahra

Veteran Member
There doesn't seem to be any limit to the depth of Jeff Bezos's hatred of Trump, does there? Why are we still shopping at Amazon??? I like Amazon's convenience, but since shopping there continues to enable Jeff Bezos to have this sort of bully pulpit then I can't in good conscience spend a cent there anymore. The price is just too high!
 

Vtshooter

Veteran Member
Just more liberal ass hurt. Do we have a butthurt icon with flames shooting out? That would be appropriate.

...not the uncontestably false news that the Russians were spreading....

Huh. Last I heard, the DNC confirmed the emails were authentic. Just because you don't like what they say, doesn't make them false. Unlike the majority of what comes from the msm.
 

2Trish

Veteran Member
Watching adults have temper tantrums, stamping their feet & crying like babies because they don't like somebody is just too funny! Just take your toys and go home! I have a 5 yr. old granddaughter like that, she always comes back when she realizes she's missing out.
 

brokenwings

Veteran Member
After suffering 8 years of Obama I can't hate handle their crying fits. I hope and pray they suffer 8 years of Trump!! And I am never buying anything from Amazon again either!
 

SSTemplar

Veteran Member
Why are you still posting shit from Wopo.It's not news and just puts money in their pockets when you click on that link.
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
The left is getting a richly deserved dose of Obama's admonition;

Elections have consequences. Suck it up snowflakes!
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Oh good grief (the OP, not the forum members)- that amendment is in place so that a President who may still be alive but not able to physically govern can be gently removed from office not so that political coups could be engineered by sore losers.

For example if Ronald Reagan had not really recovered from the attempt on his life and been in a coma for weeks and then expected to need 24/7 care for months (or years) if he came out of it; that would have been tragic and sad, but the amendment is so the US is not functioning without a vital head of State for too long - the same would have been true if say John Kennedy has lived but the bullet to the brain left him brain damaged (and that could happen today, just look at some of the vets who survive near-fatal brain injuries in combat these days).

Trump is healthy and with a perfectly functional mind; some people may not like what is in that mind but that doesn't mean they get to annul the election.
 

imaginative

keep your eye on the ball
which 'Cohens'?

My bad- I thought that I had included the authors name- Richard Cohen- of this garbage piece of "journalism"

Another pile of garbage from the Cohen tribe (yes they hate Trump and no, they wont quit) And the true irony here is- who just stabbed Israel in the back at the UN earlier this month?

Michael A. Cohen
I don’t want Trump to succeed. I want him to fail spectacularly.

Between now and Jan. 20, when Donald Trump takes the oath of office as America’s 45th president, many Americans will wish for him to be a successful president.

Not me.

I don’t want Trump to succeed. I want him to fail spectacularly.

I say this not because I don’t accept the outcome of last week’s election or because I don’t recognize him as my president. Trump won fair and square and will be the president for at least the next four years.

But make no mistake — success for Trump would be a disaster for America. If his campaign promises are to be taken at face value, his success would mean that tens of millions of Americans may lose health care insurance. It would mean a step back on fighting climate change that could have a catastrophic, even apocalyptic effect on the planet. It would mean a shredded social safety net and little federal attention to voting restrictions and structural racism in America’s criminal justice system. It would mean global instability and a weakening of American’s leadership role in the world. It would mean acquiescence to an assertive Russia and a weakening of the international institutions that help to maintain global order. It would mean disastrous trade wars and a domestic agenda that would do more to harm the people who voted for Trump than help them. It would mean mass deportation — and a humanitarian catastrophe — for millions of undocumented immigrants.

And even if Trump were inclined to reverse the threadbare policy positions, any kind of success for Trump means a tacit acceptance of the hatred and mistrust that he has sown in this nation over the past 16 months. It would mean making acceptable nativist, racist, and xenophobic hate. It would mean that the Trump supporters who have over the past week spray-painted swastikas on churches and schools or publicly accosted women, Jews, and people of color would be validated. It would mean looking the other way at misogyny and sexual assault and the mocking of the disabled. And it would mean zero accountability for a politician who has not only violated every imaginable democratic norm, but who lies and deceives practically every time he opens his mouth.

Success for Trump means normalizing the ascendancy of Stephen Bannon to a position of extraordinary political power within the halls of the White House. Under Bannon, the right-wing Breitbart News became the forum for white nationalists, Islamophobes, misogynists, and anti-Semites. You hear lots of people talking about the need for Americans to come together over the next few weeks and months. But how, as a Jewish-American, am I supposed to “come together” with a president who holds me in such disrespect that he appoints an anti-Semite to a position of such political power? I can’t, and I won’t.

What gives me fleeting hope is the knowledge that millions of Americans — a majority even — feel as I do. They are angry. They are scared for the future. They are holding their children just a little tighter and perhaps looking over their shoulders in ways they hadn’t done before. Like me, these Americans want Trump to fail. They want him to be rejected and have his ugly vision of American defeated. For many of them, Trump’s success is an existential threat.

During the campaign — at the same time that I was habitually wrong about the outcome of the election — I wrote repeatedly of the direct threat that Trump represented to our democracy. My fear is as palpable today as it was then. If Trump wants to take back the terrible things he said during the campaign or moderate his positions or even accept his own limitations, I’ll be the first to applaud it. But barring such an event, what America needs today is not acquiescence to Trump, but impassioned, principled, and consistent opposition. That will be my charge for the next four years.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion...ectacularly/Xa0rVn5yjwUp1kjjRMqi6L/story.html
 

JF&P

Deceased
To me- Its a disservice to TB2K to post this hysterical liberal crap from the WaPo or from Cohen. Its just another version of "Fake News".

We have other "REAL" issues in front of us.
 
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tiger13

Veteran Member
Fire Bomb the joint...See how they enjoy working in a drafty burned out cellar hole. At least they can be the first to report on that.
 

dstraito

TB Fanatic
To me- Its a disservice to TB2K to post this hysterical liberal crap from the WaPo or from Cohen. Its just another version of "Fake News".

We have other "REAL" issues in front of us.

I agree. Plus it is the real shills that want to talk about who is to blame for the leaks so they can obfuscate the contents of what was leaked. they will do anything to prevent legitimacy to emails that show the DNC in bad light.

Contents people, contents. If you are going to discuss who leaked something, discuss WHAT they leaked and if it was legitimate and WHAT should be done about it when you legitimately find corruption, law breaking, and evidence of bad behavior. Contents.

I'll say it again, Contents.

Are you going to seriously demean, belittle, and de-legitimize a person(s) who exposes corruption, illegal activity, unethical or immoral behavior, like a whistle blower who discovers faulty practices that were covered up by management? Hang the messenger or look into the behavior of that management and the consequences of their actions.

It is getting pretty old having to deal with a media that has double standards and hypocrisy as a mission statement.
 

Flippper

Time Traveler
A billionaire 'ignoramus and deadbeat'??? Seriously? What a tard, the jealousy is strong in this one.
 

BornFree

Came This Far
The number one FAKE NEWs and propaganda outlet in the newspaper industry is the Washington post! Hands Down! Even the NYT's, as bad as it is, does not come close to the Filth the WP puts out.
 

Pen Name

Senior Member
But make no mistake — success for Trump would be a disaster for America.

I felt this same way about Obama, but I still prayed for him. The way I see it, to hope for them not to succeed is like saying that you want America to fail. Although this seems to be what more and more Democrats seem to be saying, as they continue the onward march to the left of left that has made it impossible for a lot of Independents to follow.

But, if we keep seeing these posts on here from these left-leaning sites, we'll be forewarned of their motives and plans.
 
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