HEALTH How low to go: Details emerge on big blood pressure study

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
For links see article source.....
Posted for fair use.....
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20151109/us-med--blood_pressure-5_things_to_know-bf629d2a74.html

How low to go: Details emerge on big blood pressure study

Nov 9, 2:10 PM (ET)
By MARILYNN MARCHIONE

ORLANDO, Fla. (AP) — Details were revealed Monday from a landmark federal study that challenges decades of thinking on blood pressure, giving a clearer picture of plusses and minuses of more aggressive treatment.

The study was stopped in September, nearly two years early, when it became clear that lower pressure for most people over 50 helps prevent heart problems and deaths, but side effects and other key details were not disclosed.

Full results came Monday at an American Heart Association conference in Orlando and were published online by the New England Journal of Medicine, along with a dozen commentaries in three science journals.

"Overall, we deemed that the benefits far outweigh the risks" of aiming lower, said one study leader, Dr. Paul Whelton of Tulane University.

One in 3 U.S. adults has high blood pressure, a reading of 140 over 90 or more. Normal is under 120 over 80. Yet the study enrolled people with a top number of 130 or more, somewhat muddying the notion of who needs treatment.

More than 9,300 people were enrolled. Half got two medicines, on average, to get their top blood pressure reading below 140. The rest got three drugs and aimed for under 120.

THE RESULTS

After one year, 1.65 percent of the lower pressure group had suffered a major heart problem or heart-related death, compared to 2.2 percent of the others, a 25 percent lower risk. About 3.3 percent of the lower pressure group died, versus 4.5 percent of the others, a 27 percent lower risk.

SIDE EFFECTS

Too-low blood pressure, fainting episodes and more worrisome, kidney problems were 1 percent to 2 percent higher in the lower pressure group. Yet falls that cause injury due to lightheadedness were not more common, as had been feared especially for older people. The risks were considered well worth the benefits of a lower risk of heart trouble and death.

DOES IT APPLY TO ME?

The study involved people over 50 whose top reading was over 130. People with diabetes were excluded, so the results do not apply to them. The results also may not apply to people with previous strokes, the very old, those with severe kidney disease or people already taking a lot of different drugs, said Dr. James Stein, who heads the high blood pressure program at the University of Wisconsin in Madison.

People who start with a high top reading, such as 170 or 200, also may not do well trying to drop so low so suddenly, Dr. Murray Esler of Baker IDI Heart and Diabetes Institute in Melbourne, Australia, wrote in a commentary in the journal Hypertension.

GUIDELINES MAY CHANGE

The new study "makes sense and is a major advance," Stein said. "Time to fix the guidelines," which come from many groups and aim for a top number of 130 to 150, depending on age and other factors, such as whether the patient has diabetes.

THE BOTTOM LINE

Only half who know they have high blood pressure have it under control now. From a public health standpoint, improving that situation may be more important than having a new number as a target.

"If we lower the goal ... you'll see more and more people getting to lower pressure," said Dr. Daniel Jones of the University of Mississippi, a heart association spokesman.

---

Marilynn Marchione can be followed at http://twitter.com/MMarchioneAP
 

spinnaker

Senior Member
I am 53.

My elder brother, 54, died last year as a result of a massive brain bleed.

He was not taking his BP meds.


Take your pills.
 

Be Well

may all be well
My oldest friend's DH who is 66 had high BP - around 160 was the top number - and is taking "water pills" she told me - and got it down to 120 to 130.
 

4RIVERS

Veteran Member
I have found that reading articles on TB2K causes a distinct increase in my blood pressure, but nothing another BP pill hasn't fixed.

Seriously though, high BP is nothing to leave untreated. Most of my busting headaches and general malaise I get every so often are a result of my BP going up into the 180/110 range. Getting into the stroke range with those numbers...
 

Be Well

may all be well
I have found that reading articles on TB2K causes a distinct increase in my blood pressure, but nothing another BP pill hasn't fixed.

Seriously though, high BP is nothing to leave untreated. Most of my busting headaches and general malaise I get every so often are a result of my BP going up into the 180/110 range. Getting into the stroke range with those numbers...

I did a lot of reading the last couple days about BP symptoms, apparently headaches are not a symptom, according to all the med sites I read. Apparently, supposedly, they've done studies with BP people and non-BP people and BP people don't get more headaches, even a bit fewer. I personally obviously don't know,I've had dull headache for about a month and BP is 160 over something last checked.
 

4RIVERS

Veteran Member
I did a lot of reading the last couple days about BP symptoms, apparently headaches are not a symptom, according to all the med sites I read. Apparently, supposedly, they've done studies with BP people and non-BP people and BP people don't get more headaches, even a bit fewer. I personally obviously don't know,I've had dull headache for about a month and BP is 160 over something last checked.

Typically, I can tell when my BP is high because I will get a dull pain and pressure from the back of my neck up into the top of my head. It literally feels like my head will explode. My heartrate usually increases and I can feel every beat. I've been on BP meds for about 15 years and this has always been how I feel when it's really high, like the 180\110 range. If it's just in the 140/90 range I can't really tell symptom wise.
 
Last edited:

bbbuddy

DEPLORABLE ME
My grandmother had very high blood pressure for many years, never took any meds but aspirin for arthritis, and died at 94.
 

Be Well

may all be well
Typically, I can tell when my BP is high because I will get a dull pain and pressure from the back of my neck up into the top of my head. It literally feels like my head will explode. My heartrate usually increase and I can feel every beat. I've been on BP meds for about 15 years and this has always been how I feel when it's really high, like the 180\110 range. If it's just in the 140/90 range I can't really tell symptom wise.

Thanks for the voice of experience! I'm not experienced with BP since I always had low, like 90 over 60. Then some years ago (some weight gain/age etc) it got high. I haven't done anything about it yet but I need to. Don't want to stroke out.
 

Be Well

may all be well
Everyone over they age of 40 should invest about $40 in a sphymomanometer.

Which is...


51VT76YTJ9L._AA160_.jpg

http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&ke...qmt=e&hvbmt=bp&hvdev=c&ref=pd_sl_6aou0geia7_p

Blood pressure monitor with cuff!

This is what my friend whose DH has BP issues got, doctor recommended:

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...rue&ref_=ox_sc_act_title_1&smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER

Digital, doesn't require someone else to do it. I might get one of those, although ordinarily I like low tech.

61hryMBJR-L._SX522_.jpg
 

Jacki

Senior Member
My morning and evening rituals include taking my BP, pulse, blood oxygenation, and blood glucose. My BP is not high, but I do take meds that lower BP because of congestive heart failure. I often have low BP, which is another problem.

I do think everyone should be able to monitor their health, because it is important to know as much as possible about your health, and to control your future.

Jacki
 

Dux

Veteran Member
I had a freak heart attack about 20 years ago. Doc put me on BP meds. Got my BP down from 120/70 to 80/50, probably lower. I could not think well, which was proven to me when I had trouble with a bit of arithmetic. However, I did figure out to fire the doc and stop the meds.
 

China Connection

TB Fanatic
If your blood pressure is up high then find out what you need to do to bring it down naturally. If you bring it down chemically then you are treating the symptom not the cause.
 

Seabird

Veteran Member
I have extremely low blood pressure: 90 over 60 at it's highest, with an average of 62 pulse. That's high. It usually is 80's over 50's with a low 50's pulse. I also have WPW syndrome. Don't know if they are related, or if the former keeps the latter at bay. Not on any meds except for Motrin for arthritis. I don't care for doctors, but I'm in my late 50's and probably need to find out if things are good.

I can tell you one fact that is for sure...low BP means no metabolism. Losing weight is an up-hill climb. :lol:
 

cornanj

Senior Member
I have been on BP meds for a few years. My BP was slightly high around 150 over 90. Doc put me on 10 mg Lisinopril. I don't like chemicals in my body so I recently transitioned to Hawthorne berries and got off of Lisinopril. My BP this morning was 118 over 82. I check it almost every morning. Best part is I can store a boatload in my preps.

So for now I'm very fortunate that the only type of medication I have to take is the Hawthorne.
 

China Connection

TB Fanatic
Look I just bought a book today called The Carbohydrate Addict's Healthy Heart Program. Now they talk about what they call Hyperinsulinemia. Now say you had this condition and it was causing you to experience high blood pressure and you took Statins for blood pressure. Do you think taking Satins is smart????


Hyperinsulinemia, or hyperinsulinaemia is a condition in which there are excess levels of insulin circulating in the blood relative to the level of glucose. While it is often mistaken for diabetes or hyperglycaemia, hyperinsulinemia can result from a variety of metabolic diseases and conditions.




images
 

Dobbin

Faithful Steed
It's funny how these "findings" always support MORE pharmaceuticals?

Owner swears by People's Pharmacy http://www.peoplespharmacy.com/

The Graedons are particularly "anti-big pharma" - to include natural, naturalpathic, and homeopathic solutions in their articles.

Owner has had issues at times with blood pressure. While not excitable outwardly, I think he lets the little things bother him. And has no outlet.

Blood pressure issues until he lost 25 lbs.

Dobbin
 

straightstreet

Life is better in flip flops
My oldest friend's DH who is 66 had high BP - around 160 was the top number - and is taking "water pills" she told me - and got it down to 120 to 130.

DH takes water pills too. He had been on BP meds for a year when I ordered them for him. His blood pressure for the last 2 years has been excellent...normal! (he can have it checked any time at work by a nurse) and no more BP meds. I ordered them here: https://www.swansonvitamins.com/swanson-ultra-super-strength-water-pill-20-mg-120-caps
 

DazedandConfused

Veteran Member
Everyone worries about a heart attack or stroke with high BP don't forget the kidney's. Having high BP will kill the kidneys if not treated.
 

Russell Crowley

Contributing Member
I tend to feel that my high BP is tied directly to being dehydrated.

If I go to the Doc and drink some about 10 minutes before I get to the office, my BP is fine. If I don't drink, I'm high. Mentioned it to the ED doc. His response, "that's too easy."

I think there is too much dependence on pills and not near enough thinking about other causes and this applies to all situations.

Russell
 

Sozo

Insignificant Contributor
cornanj said:
I don't like chemicals in my body so I recently transitioned to Hawthorne berries and got off of Lisinopril.

Hawthorne works for many people. Unfortunately, I'm not one of them.
I tried 1200mg daily, but if there was any improvement at all, it wasn't noticeable.

ACV & Magnesium helps a bit, but not enough.

But I did find something that works better than prescription. It's called Mukta Vati.
All natural herbal remedy from India. The two main companies making it are Ivy and Divya.
Some people say the Divya brand didn't work for them, but Ivy did.
Personally, The Divya brand works excellent for me.

I've tried many many supplements, but nothing worked as well as this stuff, and the Divya brand is pretty cheap too!
 

Meadowlark

Has No Life - Lives on TB
It's funny how these "findings" always support MORE pharmaceuticals?

Owner swears by People's Pharmacy http://www.peoplespharmacy.com/

The Graedons are particularly "anti-big pharma" - to include natural, naturalpathic, and homeopathic solutions in their articles.

Owner has had issues at times with blood pressure. While not excitable outwardly, I think he lets the little things bother him. And has no outlet.

Blood pressure issues until he lost 25 lbs.

Dobbin

Because they pay for the studies and get the results they want, which is an excuse to sell more meds and sky high prices.
 

Flippper

Time Traveler
I have extremely low blood pressure: 90 over 60 at it's highest, with an average of 62 pulse. That's high. It usually is 80's over 50's with a low 50's pulse. I also have WPW syndrome. Don't know if they are related, or if the former keeps the latter at bay. Not on any meds except for Motrin for arthritis. I don't care for doctors, but I'm in my late 50's and probably need to find out if things are good.

I can tell you one fact that is for sure...low BP means no metabolism. Losing weight is an up-hill climb. :lol:
Low pulse and blood pressure are usually signs of hypothyroidism. Low metabolism is hypothyroidism=the thyroid runs the metabolism. You've just offered up 3 signs that you're hypo-go to the library and check out Dr. Mark Starr's book: Type 2 Hypothyroidism, The Hidden Epidemic, he does an excellent job of listing many of the symptoms and how they affect the body. It's a fast read, and easy to understand, based on Dr. Broda Barnes' 50 years of thyroid research.

There is a lot of speculation that overweight issues are not fat but mucin deposits, which is why it's so difficult to lose weight-it's not an eating issue, food has very little to do with it at all, but swelling. I took Mucinex last night for a cold and noticed a distinct lessening of swelling. I believe Roundup/GMO also cause mucin build up, when I went on an all organic diet I had to eat organic wheat only, and I lost all the puffiness in my lower legs and ankles that I thought was fat.

Go to www.stopthethyroidmadness.com and bone up on the thyroid/adrenal tests you might need to be taking, then join the Facebook group for thyroid people Stop The Thyroid Madness has, you'll get lots of information there.

PS Hypothyroidism also causes enlarged heart, which returns to normal size after a very short time on optimal doses of natural dessicated thyroid hormones.
 

China Connection

TB Fanatic
Cutting Sugar from Kids Diets Lowers Blood Pressure and Blood Sugar

When children's diets have less sugar, even if calories stay the same, markers of healthy metabolism such as cholesterol and blood pressure improve.
The People's Pharmacy October 29, 2015 Default 2 Comments
chocolate candies

Type 2 diabetes and non-alcoholic fatty liver disease are now being diagnosed in many children, probably as a consequence of the obesity epidemic. Scientists have just discovered that removing much of the sugar from youngsters’ diets, even if calories and weight stay the same, has remarkable benefits for their metabolic health.
What the Researchers Did:

The 43 children in the study were 9 to 18 years old. They were obese youngsters with high blood pressure or cholesterol or fat accumulated in their livers.

In this experiment, the kids got diets with the same amount of calories they were accustomed to eating, but less sugar from soft drinks and sweets. There were no health foods, but there were low-sugar versions of junk food such as baked potato chips, pizza and turkey hot dogs. During the intervention, sugar made up only about 10 percent of the calories in their diets compared to about 28 percent before the study began.
What They Found:

Over 10 days, triglycerides, blood pressure and LDL cholesterol dropped significantly. Both blood sugar and insulin were lower as well.
Some Lost Weight, Too:

A few of the youngsters did lose weight because they didn’t feel hungry enough to eat all the food they had been given. But even the kids who lost no weight had metabolic benefits. This study demonstrates the damaging effects of sugar, especially fructose, in children’s diets.


http://www.peoplespharmacy.com/2015...-diets-lowers-blood-pressure-and-blood-sugar/
 

pauldingbabe

The Great Cat
Low pulse and blood pressure are usually signs of hypothyroidism. Low metabolism is hypothyroidism=the thyroid runs the metabolism. You've just offered up 3 signs that you're hypo-go to the library and check out Dr. Mark Starr's book: Type 2 Hypothyroidism, The Hidden Epidemic, he does an excellent job of listing many of the symptoms and how they affect the body. It's a fast read, and easy to understand, based on Dr. Broda Barnes' 50 years of thyroid research.

There is a lot of speculation that overweight issues are not fat but mucin deposits, which is why it's so difficult to lose weight-it's not an eating issue, food has very little to do with it at all, but swelling. I took Mucinex last night for a cold and noticed a distinct lessening of swelling. I believe Roundup/GMO also cause mucin build up, when I went on an all organic diet I had to eat organic wheat only, and I lost all the puffiness in my lower legs and ankles that I thought was fat.

Go to www.stopthethyroidmadness.com and bone up on the thyroid/adrenal tests you might need to be taking, then join the Facebook group for thyroid people Stop The Thyroid Madness has, you'll get lots of information there.

PS Hypothyroidism also causes enlarged heart, which returns to normal size after a very short time on optimal doses of natural dessicated thyroid hormones.

I have organic Mullen growing right now and use that instead of Mucinex. Clears out a lot of the mucus and I generally feel better after a few days treatment. Interesting plant.
 

cjoi

Veteran Member
Owner swears by People's Pharmacy http://www.peoplespharmacy.com/

The Graedons are particularly "anti-big pharma" - to include natural, naturalpathic, and homeopathic solutions in their articles.

Will be looking at this link and the book shown higher up I this thread. T/Y Dobbin and CC.


May not be directly related, but in the roller coaster ride of blood pressures out of the norm, found Ainitfunny's post #13 on the HIGH BP thread here http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?478166-Hospital-again&p=5826634&highlight=#post5826634 very informative.
 

China Connection

TB Fanatic
There are big problems with fresh food when trying to fix a critical health problem.

What is the problem?????????????????

A piece of meat, vegetable, fruit can look much the same as another article of said produce but be completely different in regard to vitamin and mineral content.

So a natural diet can be fortified with natural concentrates and save a life that would have been maybe lost guessing the food value of produce.


The other thing is many things have to be changed by one's own body to be further used. Now if something in your body is not working then you are out of luck!

Example from my notes:


Vitamin B6 more Readily Used by the Body

Thorne Research, Pyridoxal 5'-Phosphate, 180 Veggie Caps
$62

http://au.iherb.com/Thorne-Research-Pyridoxal-5-Phosphate-180-Veggie-Caps/18472
Pyridoxine, also known as vitamin B6, is necessary for the transformation and utilization of amino acids for many functions in the body, including energy production and neurotransmitter synthesis. Vitamin B6 is also involved in the production of hemoglobin, intrinsic factor, and is a vital component in the formation of the myelin sheath that surrounds nerve cells. But in order for pyridoxine to be used by the body it must first be converted to pyridoxal 5'-phosphate (P5P), a process that takes place in the liver. Individuals with compromised liver function have difficulty making this conversion and consequently may be at risk of a vitamin B6 deficiency. Supplementing with Thorne's Pyridoxal 5'-Phosphate ensures you receive the most bioactive form of vitamin B6.


Great product been using it for our autistic spectrum disorder son as it helps him to concentrate, and minimises the mood swings, our dr put us on to this site and the service is awesome

Now Foods, P-5-P, 50 mg, 60 Tablets
http://au.iherb.com/Now-Foods-P-5-P-50-mg-60-Tablets/740
I am using this to help absorb magnesium. It seems to be working well.
Our Price: Vitamin B6 (pyridoxine) acts primarily as an enzyme catalyst in many body processes including energy metabolism and neurotransmitter function. Before it can be used for this purpose it must be converted into its coenzyme form by the liver. P-5-P eliminates this step by providing B-6 in its converted form, allowing for greater bioavailability. This product is enterically coated to avoid potency loss during digestion.
AU$14.51

My 12 years old daughter has a not too severe pyroluria and I started to give this for her after each breakfast. Later during the day she gets zinc (with copper) and more B6 before bed. After few days her mood changed dramatically for the better but she is still not fully recovered. We need to speak with a doctor before I raise the dosage, but as we live in central Europe here is not many doctor who is familiar with this disorder. The stuff is wonderful, I could recommend it for everyone who needs a good quality P-5-P.
I tried this after taking normal b6 for years without any relief. I had severe fluid retention in my hands, feet and just under my knees. Sever pain. I was told by a friend (who is a homeopath) that p-5-p is better absorbed, so I ordered Now foods P-5-P straight away from I-herb. The difference was noticeable after 1 week. I was taking it for a couple of months, with no swelling or pain. Unfortunately I ran out a couple of weeks ago and I thought I would see what happens. The fluid retention came back and the pain is severe again. So on the 30th Dec I ordered more from Iherb. with DHL express courier ($8) to Australia. My order arrived today (2nd January). Amazing service. Don't hesitate to order from iherb.
I feel better since I started taking this form of B6. It is a must for anyone with mood related problems. This increases the effect of aminoacids like tryptophan or tyrosine.
////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

MTHFR genetic defect - Stop the Thyroid Madness™
www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/mthfr/


Another good B-vitamin is the methyl version of B6, called P-5-P. ... to lowered immunity, sensitive skin and/or bruising, worsening hypothyroid, adrenal stress
 
Top