ENER How Algae Could Change The Fossil Fuel Industry

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How Algae Could Change The Fossil Fuel Industry

Seeker takes a closer look at the very exciting potential behind algae fuel and food production.

It's no secret that Earth's longevity depends largely on finding an alternative to fossil fuels. Not only are fossil fuels greatly contributing to climate change, but they're a non-renewable resource that will eventually run out faster than they can be replenished.

Great strides have been made in recent years towards using renewable sources of energy, like electric vehicles, solar panels, wind energy and even algae. It might seem surprising, but algae is one of the most powerful sources of energy we have access to on Earth. When dried algae is ground into a powder and refined, oil can be extracted from it. The result is nearly identical to traditional gasoline, but with far more benefits.

Dave Hazlebeck, CEO of Global Algae Innovations, gave Seeker a tour of his algae farm in Kauai, Hawaii, and explained how his company is revolutionizing sustainable energy. "The fuel that we're producing is exactly the same in terms of performance as gasoline or diesel or jet, it's just a lot cleaner. I think the big difference is that [with] all the other biofuels, you're growing it and you're just getting biofuel. In this case, for every gallon of biofuel you get 10 pounds of food with it," Hazlebeck said.

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Hazlebeck believes his company is on the path to completely change the way we currently produce both oil and food. Not only can algae create biofuel, it can also be used to create animal feed. Currently, most animal and fish feed is made from corn or soy, which both use more water and energy to grow than algae.

"There's studies that show with algae grown to replace animal feed, you could actually solve global warming to a large extent," Hazlebeck told Seeker.

Algae can be used to create food for humans as well. New Wave Foods in Northern California created fake shrimp made from algae and other plants that actually looks, smells and even tastes like real shrimp. Because it's made from algae, the shrimp substitute also has the added benefit of being low in fat and extremely rich in nutrients, something that corn and soy are severely lacking.

Growing algae for oil and food could also significantly reduce deforestation. According to Scientific American, the yields from algae are far more significant than crops like corn or soy. If all the fuel in the country was replaced with biofuel from corn, we would need a facility three times the size of the continental U.S. to produce it. But for algae, we would need a facility the size of Maryland. Additionally, algae can produce 40 times more food per acre than traditional crops.

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While showing the Seeker team around GAI's Hawaii facility, Hazlebeck explained that the algae farm is next to a power plant, which puts it in a very unique position. "[It] allows us to capture carbon dioxide and avoid that discharge and reuse it, and that prevents it from going into the atmosphere and causing global warming," he said. "If every power plant had an algae farm next to it, it could potentially solve the global warming issue entirely."

The environmental benefits of algae are impressive, and because algae can grow in both freshwater and seawater, it's also very easy to produce. So, does that mean we'll all be filling our cars with algae gas at the pumps very soon?

Not just yet. Hazlebeck and his team have run into a few setbacks since they began scaling up their operations. The most prohibitive issue has been the cost.

When Global Algae Innovations began, a gallon of oil produced from algae was about $30 a gallon -- 10 times higher than it needs to be to work as a viable alternative to fossil fuel. But Hazlebeck and his team didn't give up, and they've continued to come up with solutions to decrease the cost. As of now, they almost have algae oil down to only $2 - $3 a gallon.

Once GAI can get their algae production up to scale, Hazlebeck believes it will change the geopolitics of the world. "A lot of the reasons we have wars are because of fights over resources or the need for more resources. By creating a more equitable distribution with countries being able to make their own, it should lead to a more stable and peaceful world," he told Seeker.

That's really the point of it all for Hazlebeck and GAI. They don't want to be the only company doing this; they want everyone working together because they truly believe using algae as a fuel and food source will change the world.

-- Molly Fosco
 

bbbuddy

DEPLORABLE ME
A friend of mine, (a chief scientist at Rockwell) told me this about algae at least 20 years ago...
 

Sleeping Cobra

TB Fanatic
I remember reading about this at least that long ago. So what's the holdup?

Oil companies / The Federal Reserve do not like competition. Hint: The Federal Reserve sells oil in PetroDollars. Possibly algae fuel could put both out of business. What about making algae fuel at home?
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Yep, I've been saying for quite a while now that I simply don't believe that a high technology culture that can go from computers the size of a room when I was already an adult to two "super" computer in my purse on most days (phone and Kindle tablet) can't have figure out REALLY NEW and WORKABLE ways to power themselves and/or could not build better rockets (for space exploration) than those used 50 years ago.

I'm not talking about half-baked and under performing things like wind and solar (they have their place especially in certain areas like wind in Ireland or sun in the third world villages) but REAL and totally different "out-of-the-box" power ideas that actually produce as well or better than oil/petrol/gasoline and perhaps archaic forms of nuclear (aka "a heck of a way to boil water"). I'm talking about really innovated things like perhaps this algae; or a lot of other things that have surfaced for five minutes in the press in the last 50 years and then gone "poof."

There is no reason on the planet that electric cars and/or something even BETTER than electric cars/trains/transport hasn't been produced to replace the technology of NEARLY 100 years ago!

Yes cars and such have improved, but they are still just basically the same technology running on the same sort of fuel that so many huge corporations are invested in -sure you can add a bunch of computers (making it impossible for the average person to repair) make sure they don't last longer than a few years (so people have to replace them) and then pretend something "new and revolutionary" is going on with the "new" cars/trucks/vans/buses but in reality they still make sure the "old order" of oil and related products is not disturbed.

Heck Tesla invented "wireless" electricity almost a century ago; but since the "big companies" of the day couldn't figure out a way to charge for it; they buried it. In the last few years I've heard rumors of something "very similar" aka called "wireless electricity" being "the next big thing" (probably to compete with the new mini-power plant boxes some companies are working on that would be installed in your house).

When I first saw the "wireless Internet" stuff I thought two things:

1. Better 100 years late than never I guess....

2. More to the point, having figured out how to charge for a wireless internet service they have now figured out a pathway to charge for what is really pretty much "free" wireless electricity.

I mean sure it would never really be totally free; but they will probably try and charge for it at about the same rates they do now for the stuff that has to run on wires and people will just accept it as "required" to "produce" the stuff; it might not even happen but if there's a breakthrough in the individual home/business boxes I expect it the wireless to have a "sudden" improvement and be rushed out.

Watch this space, I think as petroleum becomes less of a money spinner (either due to gut or international issues with it) I suspect a lot of "buried" stuff is going to come back out of the woodwork along with new out-of-the-box thinking.
 

SquonkHunter

Geezer (ret.)
To my way of thinking, petroleum is too damned valuable for making other things for us to be wasting it as a fuel.
 

Sandune

Veteran Member
How about Mummies? Mark Twain said Egypt had so many mummies they used them to fire locomotives. Me thinks he was joking.
 

inskanoot

Veteran Member
There are people like Catherine Austin Fitts who claim that it's impossible to analyze the economy without factoring in the large part of it that is undisclosed to the public. Didn't some family recently divest all of their oil holdings?
 

hiwall

Has No Life - Lives on TB
algae fuel will save the world!
Nuclear fusion will save the world!
Solar power will save the world!
Producing power from the tides will save the world!
Wind power will save the world!

We have been hearing all these and other schemes for the last forty years. None so far have come to fruition. I remember when they assured us that the cost of advanced solar panels would be so cheap and effective that they would cover the roofs and side walls on every building. And they have been promising nuclear fusion power for countless years, always saying it is 'just around the corner'. And what about 'fuel cell cars' that when not being driven would instead be hooked up to act as small power generating stations to help power the world. And electric cars that would be so cheap and powerful that would be all anyone would be driving.
Instead we are still driving regular cars and trucks that have made no real advancements in fifty years. We are producing electric power with so called 'fossil fuels' the same as always. Hydo power plants are on the decline. Nuclear power plants are on the decline. We have nothing that is really viable to replace these sources of power except more fossil fuel power plants.
Humans will have to innovate something viable or they will eventually die out.
 

jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
Check out Driveonwood.com
Wood, as well as algae, are nature's perfect solar battery, via gasification...
 
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Dazed

Guest
Check out Driveonwood.com
Wood, as well as algae, are nature's perfect solar battery, via gasification...

Except the EPA won't let it happen. Emissions, you know.

Plus the combusion byproducts of the gasifiers are kinda corrosive. Hard on the engines.
 

jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
Except the EPA won't let it happen. Emissions, you know.

Plus the combusion byproducts of the gasifiers are kinda corrosive. Hard on the engines.

Wrong. The university of Alabama has analyzed the emissions from Wayne Keith's design and found them to be less obnoxious than the standards for emissions in California...
 
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Dazed

Guest
Got a link for that? That will be a first. most gasifiers are fairly dirty. I'd be interested in one that wasn't.

Most are high in sulphur and water vapor. plus particulates. If his is clean, then that would change things.

And you still gotta get past the EPA.
I've built gasifiers they are finicky and take time to produce fuel. Not for running to the store..... Having said that, they DO work.
 

Windy Ridge

Veteran Member
When I was studying Biology and had access to a University library I looked up algae culture. There were quite a few researchers interested in algae culture because of the potentially high yields of protein, oil and oxygen (for space stations).

The big problem is that algae grow so fast that the algae on top shade out the ones below and the lower ones die making a stinky mess. The fixes for that are many, many times the cost of a simple pond. I'm sure progress has been made in the last 25 years but until I see the figures from a LARGE pilot plant I will remain sceptical of all low cost estimates.

Windy Ridge
 

MinnesotaSmith

Membership Revoked
Kind of my take as well...

algae fuel will save the world!
Nuclear fusion will save the world!
Solar power will save the world!
Producing power from the tides will save the world!
Wind power will save the world!

We have been hearing all these and other schemes for the last forty years. None so far have come to fruition. I remember when they assured us that the cost of advanced solar panels would be so cheap and effective that they would cover the roofs and side walls on every building. And they have been promising nuclear fusion power for countless years, always saying it is 'just around the corner'. And what about 'fuel cell cars' that when not being driven would instead be hooked up to act as small power generating stations to help power the world. And electric cars that would be so cheap and powerful that would be all anyone would be driving.

Instead we are still driving regular cars and trucks that have made no real advancements in fifty years. We are producing electric power with so called 'fossil fuels' the same as always. Hydo power plants are on the decline. Nuclear power plants are on the decline. We have nothing that is really viable to replace these sources of power except more fossil fuel power plants.

Humans will have to innovate something viable or they will eventually die out.

The saying is that "a planet has only one chance at the stars". That is, essentially all the high-grade, shallow, easily-accessible mineral and petroleum deposits will have been depleted by the first intelligent species that evolves there. Even if it goes extinct and is replaced by a more clever one, the latter will have a heck of a road to hoe. Shallow seeps of oil /= drilling multiple miles down in a mile of water, say.
 

jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
Got a link for that? That will be a first. most gasifiers are fairly dirty. I'd be interested in one that wasn't.

Most are high in sulphur and water vapor. plus particulates. If his is clean, then that would change things.

And you still gotta get past the EPA.
I've built gasifiers they are finicky and take time to produce fuel. Not for running to the store..... Having said that, they DO work.

Sorry, best I can do on my iPad . You will have to type in Driveonwood.com.
No pollution, virtually, infinitely sustainable fuel, (up to) 5200 mpg.
Most seem to be able to build their own inside of 500 hrs and anywheres from $500 to $3000 (depending on their source of metal - junk or new). I wish I had spent only that much on my solar system, as having one's own "refinery" for driving or running internal combustion machines is actually more critical than having electricity around the house...
 
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Dazed

Guest
Sorry, best I can do on my iPad . You will have to type in Driveonwood.com.
No pollution, virtually, infinitely sustainable fuel, (up to) 5200 mpg.
Most seem to be able to build their own inside of 500 hrs and anywheres from $500 to $3000 (depending on their source of metal - junk or new). I wish I had spent only that much on my solar system, as having one's own "refinery" for driving or running internal combustion machines is actually more critical than having electricity around the house...


Went to his site. Nothing about clean...nothing about any tests done by any universities. . I looked BEFORE I posted on it the first time.

Maybe it is on the part that I have to pay $200 for?

Thing about gasifiers is that they are all dirty. Sulphur and other wood byproducts. Lots of soot and tars.

They also don't like varying loads.

Great for generators, not so much for cars and trucks down the road.

I've built 4 of them in the past 20 years.
 

jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
Went to his site. Nothing about clean...nothing about any tests done by any universities. . I looked BEFORE I posted on it the first time.

Maybe it is on the part that I have to pay $200 for?

Thing about gasifiers is that they are all dirty. Sulphur and other wood byproducts. Lots of soot and tars.

They also don't like varying loads.

Great for generators, not so much for cars and trucks down the road.

I've built 4 of them in the past 20 years.

The actual technical analysis reports are included in his book which details how to build his gasifier.
And his design is not the only modern wood gasifier around that works well and is clean. And there are links to the other modern, commercially available gasifiers at that site, though you may have to dig around a bit, or just google.

Wayne has numerous YouTube videos out there that go into some details. I have ridden in one of his trucks. He took it up to 85 miles per hour without a problem. Before his design, the old gasifiers worked hard to get close to 40 mph, and had many other limitations, and yes, struggled not to be nasty with wood tars. This is a new day in wood gasifiers. I have spent 4 years both studying the designs and hanging out with wood and charcoal gasifiers, even own an almost completed wood gasified truck and a charcoal gasifier for my generator. This is the real deal. The world has come a long ways since the WW2 designs. But I guess your mileage varies...
 
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Dazed

Guest
The actual technical analysis reports are included in his book which details how to build his gasifier.
And his design is not the only modern wood gasifier around that works well and is clean. And there are links to the other modern, commercially available gasifiers at that site, though you may have to dig around a bit, or just google.

Wayne has numerous YouTube videos out there that go into some details. I have ridden in one of his trucks. He took it up to 85 miles per hour without a problem. Before his design, the old gasifiers worked hard to get close to 40 mph, and had many other limitations, and yes, struggled not to be nasty with wood tars. This is a new day in wood gasifiers. I have spent 4 years both studying the designs and hanging out with wood and charcoal gasifiers, even own an almost completed wood gasified truck and a charcoal gasifier for my generator. This is the real deal. The world has come a long ways since the WW2 designs. But I guess your mileage varies...

Cool. I'll have to look into it a bit more then.

Is his set of plans worth the money?

'cause his YouTube videos are kinda short on details and long on sales....

But if they are worth the money and give a real return, then I might just pull the trigger....
 
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