CORONA Hospital to Deny Kidney Transplants to the Unvaccinated

Valann

Contributing Member
We all saw this coming

A Colorado-based health system says it is denying organ transplants to patients not vaccinated against the coronavirus in “almost all situations,” citing studies that show these patients are much more likely to die if they get covid-19.

The policy illustrates the growing costs of being unvaccinated and wades into deeply controversial territory — the use of immunization status to decide who gets limited medical care. The mere idea of prioritizing the vaccinated for rationed health resources has drawn intense backlash, as overwhelmingly unvaccinated covid-19 patients push some hospitals to adopt “crisis standards of care,” in which health systems can prioritize patients for scarce resources based largely on their likelihood of survival.

UCHealth’s rules for transplants entered the spotlight Tuesday when Colorado state Rep. Tim Geitner (R) said it denied a kidney transplant to a Colorado Springs woman because she was not vaccinated against the coronavirus. Calling the decision “disgusting” and discriminatory, Geitner shared a letter that he said the patient received last week from UCHealth’s transplant center at the University of Colorado’s Anschutz Medical Campus in the city of Aurora.
The letter said the woman would be “inactivated” on a kidney transplant waiting list and had 30 days to start coronavirus vaccination. If she refused to be vaccinated, it said, she would be removed.
UCHealth declined to discuss particular patients because of federal privacy laws, and The Washington Post could not independently verify the woman’s story. But the health system confirmed Tuesday that nearly all of its transplant recipients and organ donors must get vaccinated against the coronavirus, in addition to other vaccinations and health requirements. A spokesman, Dan Weaver, said that other transplant centers in the United States have similar policies or are transitioning to them.
Conditions on organ transplants are not new. Weaver noted that transplant centers around the country may require patients to get other vaccinations, stop smoking, avoid alcohol or demonstrate that they will take crucial medications in an effort to ensure that people do well post-surgery and do not “reject” organs for which there is fierce competition.
More than 100,000 people are on the transplant waiting list, and only a fraction of those seeking a kidney got one in 2020, according to the federal government. An estimated 17 people die every day waiting for an organ.
Geitner did not immediately respond to inquiries Tuesday.
Multiples studies show that covid-19 is especially deadly for recipients of kidney transplants. Weaver said the mortality rate observed for transplant patients who develop covid-19 ranges from about 20 percent to more than 30 percent — far higher than the 1.6 percent fatality rate observed generally in the United States.
“An organ transplant is a unique surgery that leads to a lifetime of specialized management to ensure an organ is not rejected, which can lead to serious complications, the need for a subsequent transplant surgery, or even death,” Weaver wrote in an email. “Physicians must consider the short- and long-term health risks for patients as they consider whether to recommend an organ transplant.”
Living donors could also pass a coronavirus infection to an organ recipient, threatening the patient’s life, Weaver said.
Organ donations in the United States are coordinated through a national network run by the nonprofit United Network for Organ Sharing (UNOS). UNOS does not set requirements for listing or removing someone as a transplant candidate, said spokeswoman Anne Paschke, so transplant centers such as UCHealth’s “make such decisions according to [their] individual medical judgment.”
Weaver did not clarify Tuesday what might qualify someone for an exception to the coronavirus vaccination rule.
Geitner said in a Facebook Live video that he has spoken with UCHealth and that there is “very little” it would do to accommodate those without coronavirus vaccinations.
The patient reportedly denied a transplant, whom Geitner did not identify, has about “12 percent of her kidney function left,” the state lawmaker said Tuesday. Geitner said that the patient has found a possible donor and that she already has antibodies that fight covid-19 infection.
Geitner also criticized UCHealth for firing unvaccinated staff, who represent less than 1 percent of the health system’s workforce, according to the Denver Post. Hospitals with mandates have said they appear to be successful, with almost all employees staying on, despite concerns the rules could deepen staffing strains.
While more than a third of Americans have yet to get one dose of a coronavirus vaccine, leaders and companies have increasingly embraced vaccine mandates over intense opposition from Republicans, who champion personal choice. The unvaccinated may face unemployment or more expensive health insurance and in some places are barred from parts of public life, such as indoor dining.
Then there are the risks of the coronavirus. Cases, hospitalizations and deaths have spiked around the country this summer and fall as the highly contagious delta variant dominates, though Colorado has seen less of a surge. Current covid-19 hospitalizations in the state remain well below a peak from winter of 2020.
A recent report from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention found that people who were not fully vaccinated this spring and summer were 10 times more likely to be hospitalized and 11 times more likely to die of covid-19.
As covid-19 cases stretch medical resources, being vaccinated can also count against patients in some cases. Faced with a recent federal push to conserve monoclonal antibodies, a highly effective covid-19 treatment, some officials have urged health-care providers to give them first to people who are unvaccinated.
Putting the unvaccinated first can “rub people the wrong way,” Karen Bloch, medical director of the antibody infusion clinic at Vanderbilt University Medical Center, told The Post last month.
But the reality is clear, she said: Those without shots are far more likely to die of covid-19.
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
And vaccination does not prevent infection/re-infection... And vaccination antibodies decrease after months, so vacced people would be at risk.

The counts above probably reflect the current vaxxed pseudo-status. If your jab was within two weeks or longer than four months ago, you're unvaxxed again for accounting purposes.
 

iboya

Veteran Member
It doesn't matter who you are they will continue to change the rules to chisel down to the select group of entitled folks who will be allowed to live in the "promised utopia" of the DS. Just be ready to step out into eternity
 
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undead

Veteran Member
Anyone else hear the sound of lawyers salivating?
lawyers always salivate, but the plaintiff should certainly not be salivating at some big payoff (maybe if the hospitals also disparaged their racial/sexual backgrounds, ha ha ha)
 

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
lawyers always salivate, but the plaintiff should certainly not be salivating at some big payoff (maybe if the hospitals also disparaged their racial/sexual backgrounds, ha ha ha)

Yes, but it's not often audible salivating. You'd think that this would get them a line on a big payoff; like Techwreck said, wrongthink isn't a death sentence. Going without a replacement kidney is a different matter.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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When I had my surgery done last December, a negative Covid test administered within the preceding 49 hours had to be presented or no surgery. But “must be vaxxed” is a bridge too far.
 

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
Problem is-anyone on Dialysis has a week max without it. What if they decide to also halt Dialysis? How long does it take to pull a Lawyer and get a hearing?

Given that, like you said, the plaintiff in question would have a week to live, you'd think pretty quickly. The local press would likely get involved too; if it bleeds, it leads, after all.
 

Kathy in FL

Administrator
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I'm waiting for the asshats to try to start limiting access to things like insulin, anti-rejection meds, etc. Oh, you know the kind of drugs that going without for 24 hours is likely a death sentence for some people.

And yet, none of this addresses that doctors of individual patients may not think that their patient should get the vaxx due to certain dangers in their cases.

Nope, they just want to cookie-cutter the entire process and call it good.
 

Satanta

Stone Cold Crazy
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Given that, like you said, the plaintiff in question would have a week to live, you'd think pretty quickly. The local press would likely get involved too; if it bleeds, it leads, after all.

And they will phrase it like "Man on Dialysis who refused Medical Treatment dies from Corona..."

It is so hard to wrap the brain around the pure evil that is coming to light.

Not to me. I know there are good people but lif experience has shown me even the Good have a deep, mean and Evil side.

Thin Veneer of Civilization is wearing off of many.
 

WalknTrot

Veteran Member
Certainly not a surprising requirement for people who will probably be immuno-compromised post-surgically by taking anti-rejection drugs.

If you are going to be gifted with something as precious as a donated organ, you are going to be expected to comply with a whole LOT of conditions. It's just how things work. Organ transplants simply do not get wasted on high-risk patients.

Remember..there's somebody next on the list who will otherwise DIE, and will gladly take that kidney....
 

Hacker

Computer Hacking Pirate
My wish is that those making this decision (to withhold kidney transplant surgery) will take the clot shot themselves. They deserve what they get.
 

rondaben

Veteran Member
Or, worse yet, if a loved one…a spouse or child… was in need of a transplant and they pulled that crap!
Question.. family member needs an organ. Patient in line in front of them gets one but due to choices and against medical advice ends up rejecting what could have been used by your family member. Who is to blame for that and do you still support the right of the person who got/rejected the organs rights to choose to put it--and subsequently your family members--life at risk?
 

Old Gray Mare

TB Fanatic
And yet still provides more protection than no vaccination at all. Hence why it is medically indicated.
Not necessarily true. Have you checked the recent case numbers for the state of Vermont? Touted as the most vaccinated state in the Union? Their case numbers recently increased. According to you that's not supposed to be what happens?

Surprise, surprise, surprise.
 

Blastoff

Veteran Member
Well I am a kidney transplant recipient. I have had sooo many vaccinations, including covid-19. You have to comply medically to get on the transplant list, so I would.
 

rondaben

Veteran Member
Not necessarily true. Have you checked the recent case numbers for the state of Vermont? Touted as the most vaccinated state in the Union? Their case numbers recently increased. According to you that's not supposed to be what happens?

Surprise, surprise, surprise.

Yep. And yet even with breakthrough infections most will do ok. My opinion is that it is probably related to fall tourism from NYC and that area bringing more cases in. Probably will see more cases after Halloween, Thanksgiving and Christmas too as folks move around more. Vermont vaccine rate is still below 70% I believe, so still not that great. More like "least worst".
 

Old Gray Mare

TB Fanatic
Yep. And yet even with breakthrough infections most will do ok. My opinion is that it is probably related to fall tourism from NYC and that area bringing more cases in. Probably will see more cases after Halloween, Thanksgiving and Christmas too as folks move around more. Vermont vaccine rate is still below 70% I believe, so still not that great. More like "least worst".
Good so soon they should have naturally acquired immunity? Might be hard to tell how many since a lot of cases are totally asymptomatic and 99.7% survivable? and the test currently in use can't distinguish Covid from Flu?
 

rondaben

Veteran Member
Good so soon they should have naturally acquired immunity? Might be hard to tell how many since a lot of cases are totally asymptomatic and 99.7% survivable? and the test currently in use can't distinguish Covid from Flu?
Hopefully so, natural immunity is a key component in herd immunity.

And yes, the tests have always been able to distinguish between covid and influenza. Always.
 
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