HEALTH Homeopath Uses Rabid Dog Saliva to ‘Treat’ 4-Year-Old Boy’s Temper

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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Canadian homeopath and naturopath Anke Zimmermann reportedly gave a small child diluted saliva from a rabid animal to treat his temper.

Jonah had been “restless and irritable,” misbehaving at bedtime, expressing fears of wolves and werewolves, and crawling under a table to growl at his classmates. Most parents would describe such a child as a handful or take them to a pediatric professional if the behavioral problems became a health issue. Unfortunately for Jonah, he was instead subjected by his mother to Zimmermann’s “help.”

According to Zimmermann, 4-year-old “Jonah” was given 2 pellets of “Lyssinum 200CH,” made from the diluted saliva of a rabid dog. “Within a minute or two of giving him the remedy Jonah smiled at me very broadly and beautifully, as if all the lights had just gone on,” Zimmermann exulted in a blog post. “We said our good-byes and I felt a warm feeling of hope for this boy.”

Of course, there is no evidence that this type of treatment actually has any effect. Even Zimmermann herself admitted that the pellets she fed Jonah contained such trace amounts of dog saliva that the rabies virus would not actually be present. But according to homeopathic doctrine, “like cures like,” and results from even the barest trace of some tangentially related substance are enough to treat or cure.

Unfortunately, homeopathic treatment can be dangerous for a much more important reason: People searching for quackery to solve their ills tend to evade actual treatment. And “prescribed” treatments can be outright harmful to the person receiving them. It is why the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has decided to tighten its grip on the market.

Provincial health officer Dr. Bonnie Henry expressed her “grave concerns” about such “treatments” when speaking to the CBC. “I will be writing to Health Canada about this preparation again,” Henry said. “There’s no way I can understand why we would have anything that was meant to be saliva of a rabid dog approved for use in this country.”

http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...ses-rabid-dog-saliva-to-treat-4-year-old-boy/
 

L.A.B.

Goodness before greatness.
How time flys. It’s been half a century since I was dog bitten on my inner thigh. I kept the huge purple bruise with puncture wounds from mom as I bathed with a washcloth over it. I knew my parents would freak out, have the GSD destroyed and come at me with foot long injection needles. No way!

I was a shy kid in those late single digit years. It would be another 17 years before I’d growl at anybody, and most would have too if your doctor said “I’ve seen plenty of these ingrown toenails over in Nam”... and proceeded to jam what looked like a 3/16” Stanley wood chisel between my toenail and flesh and pop it off... I can still hear the suck sound it made. Ouuuch!

All I could do was bite my knee on the same foot and growl. I’m sure that went in my personal file. If not then, now is fine if they missed it.

Was that the right thing to do? I think I’m gonna hold out for Loup Garou’s opinion on a this one LOL!
 

cjoi

Veteran Member
Quacks were the docs who used Mercury in their “cures.” Those were the Allopaths, or M.D.s Actually, most vaccines still contain mercury, although they are allowed to say the vaccines don’t have Thimerisol “added” they still are manufactured with Thimerisol as a starting ingredient; like Clinton arguing over the “definition of is” - “contains” by their definition doesn’t mean “added.” Funny how Allopaths and their devotees like to use that words quack or quackery to deride their competition whose treatments generally have far fewer dangerous “side” effects when they, themselves, are the true quacks.
 
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Faroe

Un-spun
I'm ok with homeopathy, but wouldn't think rabid dog saliva is something one should mess with.
In theory, the solutions are so diluted that the original substance is no longer there, only its vibrations.
Fine, but no reason to risk the possibility of one live virus contaminating the dosage.
Something else should have been used.
 

WalknTrot

Veteran Member
Who knows how diluted it was or if actual virus (live or dead) was present...virus are obviously microscopically small. Live rabies virus in the environment is fairly fragile, easily deactivated by desiccation, sunlight or common antiseptics...so even if present it was no doubt dead.

It's a little disturbing that somebody down the chain claims to have been messing with rabies virus. My guess is that the whole thing is based on a scam, and those "magic pills" never saw infected rabies saliva.
 
“In theory, the solutions are so diluted that the original substance is no longer there, only its vibrations.”
Sorry, nothing personal to you, but the whole concept of diluting to non-existence and “vibrations” of like substances to cure, is quite frankly, crap.
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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“In theory, the solutions are so diluted that the original substance is no longer there, only its vibrations.”
Sorry, nothing personal to you, but the whole concept of diluting to non-existence and “vibrations” of like substances to cure, is quite frankly, crap.

You know... I absolutely agree with you in principle, and I've laughed at homeopathy for years. It simply does NOT make sense, in any way, shape or form. And I'm sure not about to reach for a homeopathic remedy if there is any proven, safe medication (or herb) available.

But... our English Shepherd, Dixie, develops a false pregnancy every time she's been in heat.. 50-60 days later, she's lactating, clingy, and quite honestly, a little crazy. And after 3-5 WEEKS of that behavior, we're ALL a little crazy!

The only "remedy" (short of spaying her, and we're planning on breeding her on her next heat this Spring) is a prescription hormone from the vet that I'm not sure is all *that* safe. But it surely has been a PITA to deal with.

So, out of simple curiousity (the exact same progression I followed when I first started honestly looking at colloidal silver, which I also believed was "snake oil", and many here still do) I did some research and discovered a couple of homeopathic remedies which supposedly can help with the symptoms of pseudopregnancy. She was about 10 days into her latest symptoms at that time (this was 18 months ago) and she was doing everything from trying to sleep in bed with us (never have allowed that.. she sleeps on a rug next to my side of the bed, and is always perfectly happy to do so) to climbing in my lap anytime I sat down, to fighting with the other dogs.

THREE DAYS after her first dose, all symptoms vanished. Nope, not kidding! Within 5 days, her milk had dried up, and that was the end of the episode.

Now, granted, my scientific mind said "well, maybe this time she was just going to have a short episode"... even though the previous three had lasted over a month. So, I stashed the stuff in my preps, and waited.

Sure enough 58 days after her next heat cycle, she's in milk, and acting absolutely nuts. Hauled out the remedy, and this time, it took 48 hours! And, interestingly (in case anyone thinks this is "placebo effect"... which is affecting US, not the dog, who obviously can't benefit from that particular phenomenon) we were especially busy that week, and I never got around to telling hubby that I'd started treating her again. So when he said, out of the blue, "boy, that episode ended quickly! Thank GOD... I don't think I could handle her acting nuts for a month right now"... well, only then did I tell him she'd gotten the pulsatilla.

Shrug.

NO CLUE.

But for sure, I wouldn't be playing around with rabies virus for ANY "remedy", under any circumstances!

Summerthyme
 
You know... I absolutely agree with you in principle, and I've laughed at homeopathy for years. It simply does NOT make sense, in any way, shape or form. And I'm sure not about to reach for a homeopathic remedy if there is any proven, safe medication (or herb) available.

But... our English Shepherd, Dixie, develops a false pregnancy every time she's been in heat.. 50-60 days later, she's lactating, clingy, and quite honestly, a little crazy. And after 3-5 WEEKS of that behavior, we're ALL a little crazy!

The only "remedy" (short of spaying her, and we're planning on breeding her on her next heat this Spring) is a prescription hormone from the vet that I'm not sure is all *that* safe. But it surely has been a PITA to deal with.

So, out of simple curiousity (the exact same progression I followed when I first started honestly looking at colloidal silver, which I also believed was "snake oil", and many here still do) I did some research and discovered a couple of homeopathic remedies which supposedly can help with the symptoms of pseudopregnancy. She was about 10 days into her latest symptoms at that time (this was 18 months ago) and she was doing everything from trying to sleep in bed with us (never have allowed that.. she sleeps on a rug next to my side of the bed, and is always perfectly happy to do so) to climbing in my lap anytime I sat down, to fighting with the other dogs.

THREE DAYS after her first dose, all symptoms vanished. Nope, not kidding! Within 5 days, her milk had dried up, and that was the end of the episode.

Now, granted, my scientific mind said "well, maybe this time she was just going to have a short episode"... even though the previous three had lasted over a month. So, I stashed the stuff in my preps, and waited.

Sure enough 58 days after her next heat cycle, she's in milk, and acting absolutely nuts. Hauled out the remedy, and this time, it took 48 hours! And, interestingly (in case anyone thinks this is "placebo effect"... which is affecting US, not the dog, who obviously can't benefit from that particular phenomenon) we were especially busy that week, and I never got around to telling hubby that I'd started treating her again. So when he said, out of the blue, "boy, that episode ended quickly! Thank GOD... I don't think I could handle her acting nuts for a month right now"... well, only then did I tell him she'd gotten the pulsatilla.

Shrug.

NO CLUE.

But for sure, I wouldn't be playing around with rabies virus for ANY "remedy", under any circumstances!

Summerthyme

I would probably attribute it to “FM”
 

gunnersmom

Veteran Member
I have a beautiful Giant Schnauzer named Maddie who suffer(ed) for a couple years with incontinence. I tried every remedy I could find to help her. Most often her bladder would empty while she was sound asleep, and she would wake up and be so unhappy with herself. She was a young dog, and this happened after we had her spayed at about 15 months.

I finally found a homeopathic remedy called causticum. Three pellets twice a day stopped her problem. It does come back occasionally, but a couple doses gets her back on track again.

I don't use a lot of homeopathic meds (arnica is one I will NEVER be without, pellets and gel), but I will say that I don't care WHO thinks its BS. It's worked for me and mine many times.
 

mzkitty

I give up.
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#BREAKING: We've confirmed the homeopathic rabid dog saliva remedy used by a Victoria naturopath was not licensed in this country, and Health Canada is opening an investigation:


Posted: Apr 20, 2018 12:12 PM PT

The homeopathic remedy made from rabid dog saliva that a Victoria naturopath says she used to treat a small boy was not licensed for sale in Canada, and the federal government is opening an investigation.

B.C. health official voices 'grave concerns' after child given homeopathic remedy using rabid-dog saliva

Anke Zimmermann told CBC News earlier this week that she purchased her lyssinum from Helios Homeopathy in the U.K. While the treatment — also known as lyssin or hydrophobinum — is approved in general by Health Canada, the lyssinum produced by Helios is not licensed for clinical use here.

"Helios Homeopathy does not hold a licence for any products containing the ingredient lyssin/hydrophobinum," Health Canada spokesperson Andre Gagnon wrote in an email.

"Based on the information provided, Health Canada is opening a case for follow-up."

Health Canada says it takes safety 'very seriously' in face of concerns about homeopathic remedy

He added that the sale of unlicensed natural health products comes with possible penalties of up to three years in prison and $5,000 in fines. According to Health Canada, it's too early in the process to say whether Zimmermann or Helios would be the subject of any potential penalties if investigators find violations of Canadian law.
Naturopath responds

Zimmermann said Friday she was not aware of the Health Canada investigation. She added she was unsure about how the federal government's licensing regulations apply to naturopaths.

"All homeopathic remedies are made according to strict standards. They all follow the same basic procedure," she said.

Zimmermann made headlines around the world this week after she wrote a blog post claiming she'd used lyssinum to bring a four-year-old with behaviour problems "back into a more human state from a slightly rabid dog state."

She told CBC News she found the media attention to be "a bit excessive."

"I think the focus should be more on the fact that this is something that really helped the child and has potential to help many people," Zimmermann said.

Her public comments about the treatment have prompted a complaint from the B.C. Naturopathic Association to the body that regulates naturopaths in this province.

The provincial health officer has also expressed "grave concerns" and said she will write to the federal government about the case.

Complaint filed against naturopath who gave boy remedy made from rabid-dog saliva

Lyssinum is what's known as a homeopathic nosode, a remedy created by taking a bodily substance from a diseased human or animal and diluting it repeatedly in water and/or alcohol.

Zimmermann has said the saliva used to make lyssinum is diluted so many times that it contains no trace of the rabies virus.

Health Canada has approved a long list of nosodes, including remedies made from the cankers of syphilis patients, the cerebral fluid of people with meningitis and cells taken from carcinomas.

Her picture here:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...c-remedy-made-from-rabid-dog-saliva-1.4628761
 

y2ksurvivor

Veteran Member
Not exactly homeopathy but along the same lines, I've read that one's urine contains the cure for a critical allergic reaction, whether the source be a peanut, snake, spider, or scorpion.

Just wait 30 seconds after the bite/exposure, take a pee, and put a couple of drops under the tongue.
 
Not exactly homeopathy but along the same lines, I've read that one's urine contains the cure for a critical allergic reaction, whether the source be a peanut, snake, spider, or scorpion.

Just wait 30 seconds after the bite/exposure, take a pee, and put a couple of drops under the tongue.

Like the poison is going to make it to your kidneys, do whatever it does, then get into your bladder.
We need a thread for uses for pee.
Back in the big bird flu pandemic scare, there was a method to use only a couple Tamiflu(?) for a full course of treatment. Take both pills, save all your urine, flavor it and recycle, something like that. Seems almost all the Tamiflu goes right thru you.
You can also melt frozen car door locks, and thaw your hands from “crabber’s claw”.
 
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