FARM Ground-up chicken waste fed to cattle may be behind bird flu outbreak in US cows

Toosh

Veteran Member
Fears are growing that the H5N1 outbreak among cattle in the United States could have been caused by contaminated animal feed.

In contrast to Britain and Europe, American farmers are still allowed to feed cattle and other farm animals ground-up waste from other animals including birds.

Dairy cows across six US states – and at least one farm worker – have become infected with the highly pathogenic virus, which has already killed millions of animals across the globe since 2021.

The farm worker, who is thought to have been exposed via infected cattle in Texas, is only the second recorded human H5N1 case in the US. Since February, the US has investigated and discounted a further 8,000 possible exposures, according to Dr Joshua Mott, WHO senior advisor on influenza.

The development is of concern because it allows the virus, which has killed millions of birds and wild mammals around the world, more opportunities to mutate.

Experts fear that H5N1, which was only first detected in cows a few weeks ago, may have been transmitted through a type of cattle feed called “poultry litter” – a mix of poultry excreta, spilled feed, feathers, and other waste scraped from the floors of industrial chicken and turkey production plants.

In the UK and EU, feeding cows proteins from other animals has been tightly regulated since the outbreak of BSE – or ‘mad cow disease’ – 30 years ago.

Experts are unsure but fear it could be the poultry litter feed used in the US that has passed the virus to cattle.
“In the US, the feeding of poultry litter to beef cows is a known factor in the cause of botulism in cattle, and is a risk in the case of H5N1,” said Dr Steve Van Winden, Associate Professor in Population Medicine at the Royal Veterinary College.

Dr Tom Peacock, a virologist and fellow at the Pirbright Institute agreed: “This latest case wouldn’t be the first time there have been concerns H5N1 could be moving through different mammals via contaminated feed,” citing the outbreak of avian flu in cats in Poland last year, which experts suspected might have been transmitted through mink byproducts used in raw cat food.

The US cattle industry is worth over $100 billion and regulations covering animal standards there have long been controversial in Europe – most famously over the use of hormones in the rearing of cattle for meat.

Although the presence of H5N1 in US cattle herds increases the risk of the virus getting into humans via farm workers, it is the spread of the virus to pig farms that presents the bigger threat.

This is because pigs have receptors on some cells that are similar to humans, making it much more likely that the virus could mutate and jump to humans if pig farms become infected.

So far, the virus hasn’t shown any signs of worrying mutation, however.

“Infection of H5N1 in pigs is of particular concern – they are highly susceptible to human influenza virus strains so could act as mixing vessels for avian and human viruses to mix and generate viruses that can more efficiently infect humans,” said Dr Tom Peacock.

Poultry litter is not only cheaper than other food sources like soy and grains but is also more calorie-dense, meaning farmers can bulk up their herds much more quickly.

According to previous statements by the FDA, the practice is safe: “With respect to pathogenic microorganisms, drug residues and contaminants in poultry litter, FDA is not aware of any data showing that the use of poultry litter in cattle feed is posing human or animal health risks that warrant restrictions on its use,” the agency previously noted.

There are several other theories on how the H5N1-infected cattle – so far identified in Texas, Idaho, Kansas, Ohio, New Mexico, and Michigan – contracted the virus.

Many experts argue that the most likely route of infection is via wild birds – which have been found dead on some farms.

“The spread of this around the world comes back to wild and wild bird populations and where they land and where their faeces goes,” stressed the WHO’s Dr Johsua Mott.

“At some point, the contact with wild birds in the environment produced virus that then the cows had exposure to, but how that exposure happened is what many people are trying to figure out,” he added.

It is also unclear if the virus is spreading from animal to animal, said Dr Mott.

On each farm, multiple creatures have been infected but this could be because they are eating from a common source of infection – feed or wild birds – rather than passing it on to another.

The director of ruminant health for the United States Department of Agriculture, Mark Lyons, suggested at a meeting last week the virus could be potentially transmitted by contamination of workers’ clothing, or the suction cups that are attached to cow udders during milking.

However, others argue that poultry litter as a potential source of contamination cannot be ruled out.

Fears are growing that the H5N1 outbreak among cattle in the United States could have been caused by contaminated animal feed.

In contrast to Britain and Europe, American farmers are still allowed to feed cattle and other farm animals ground-up waste from other animals including birds.

Dairy cows across six US states – and at least one farm worker – have become infected with the highly pathogenic virus, which has already killed millions of animals across the globe since 2021.

The farm worker, who is thought to have been exposed via infected cattle in Texas, is only the second recorded human H5N1 case in the US. Since February, the US has investigated and discounted a further 8,000 possible exposures, according to Dr Joshua Mott, WHO senior advisor on influenza.

The development is of concern because it allows the virus, which has killed millions of birds and wild mammals around the world, more opportunities to mutate.

Experts fear that H5N1, which was only first detected in cows a few weeks ago, may have been transmitted through a type of cattle feed called “poultry litter” – a mix of poultry excreta, spilled feed, feathers, and other waste scraped from the floors of industrial chicken and turkey production plants.

In the UK and EU, feeding cows proteins from other animals has been tightly regulated since the outbreak of BSE – or ‘mad cow disease’ – 30 years ago.

Experts are unsure but fear it could be the poultry litter feed used in the US that has passed the virus to cattle.
“In the US, the feeding of poultry litter to beef cows is a known factor in the cause of botulism in cattle, and is a risk in the case of H5N1,” said Dr Steve Van Winden, Associate Professor in Population Medicine at the Royal Veterinary College.

Dr Tom Peacock, a virologist and fellow at the Pirbright Institute agreed: “This latest case wouldn’t be the first time there have been concerns H5N1 could be moving through different mammals via contaminated feed,” citing the outbreak of avian flu in cats in Poland last year, which experts suspected might have been transmitted through mink byproducts used in raw cat food.

The US cattle industry is worth over $100 billion and regulations covering animal standards there have long been controversial in Europe – most famously over the use of hormones in the rearing of cattle for meat.

This is because pigs have receptors on some cells that are similar to humans, making it much more likely that the virus could mutate and jump to humans if pig farms become infected.

So far, the virus hasn’t shown any signs of worrying mutation, however.

“Infection of H5N1 in pigs is of particular concern – they are highly susceptible to human influenza virus strains so could act as mixing vessels for avian and human viruses to mix and generate viruses that can more efficiently infect humans,” said Dr Tom Peacock.

Poultry litter is not only cheaper than other food sources like soy and grains but is also more calorie-dense, meaning farmers can bulk up their herds much more quickly.

According to previous statements by the FDA, the practice is safe: “With respect to pathogenic microorganisms, drug residues and contaminants in poultry litter, FDA is not aware of any data showing that the use of poultry litter in cattle feed is posing human or animal health risks that warrant restrictions on its use,” the agency previously noted.

 

33dInd

Veteran Member
I seem to recall about 15 or so years ago
Battery chicken farms were allowed to reuse chicken poop after heat processing
Seems that chicken guts can only process about 1/3 of what they eat so
That was also the period of time that h5n1 became more prevalent in large chicken flocks
Dumbasses
All to save a buck
 
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summerthyme

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You know... until "cheap food" became to official US government policy, small family farms were the norm. No one was getting rich, but they were able to make a living, and they produced good quality... in great part because they were producing what they ate, as well.

Then came the cheap food era... and Americans paid the lowest percentage of their income for food in the entire world. Smaller farms had trouble competing... especially since the government used international politics to allow the imports of food from other countries which was subsidized by their governments, often bringing it in at prices lower than the American farmer could produce it. And, of course, the myriad rules and regulations our farmers had to meet didn't apply.

When families who had been producing quality food for generations complained they were being put out of business by these policies, the response was, "go big, or get out!". And over the next three decades, we lost more than half of our family farms.

Farming is now big business, and the fact that you don't want to drink milk from cows fed reprocessed chicken shit means less than zero to a dairy farmer milking 5,000 cows and making less per hour than a fast food worker in California.

It's all wrong, and less and less of what we consume is "food" at all. Most of it is an overprocessed chemical conglomeration made to resemble the "ideal" food consumers have been brainwashed to expect. And as a result, we're some of the unhealthiest humans on the planet.

But don't blame the farmers... they're just trying to survive.

Summerthyme
 
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Lone_Hawk

Resident Spook
As I read this it brings to question. The old boy has passed on, but I had a neighbor once that had a friend who had a chicken facility who would bring him a truck load of chicken poop to till into his garden early in the spring. Just thinking this would/might be a risk point for humans.
 

subnet

Boot
I use my chicken's poop in my garden every year. Even the hot stuff will grow beautiful tomatoes. Hasn't killed me or made me sick yet.
An old class 8 truck mechanic i used to work with, that used to work on beet farms, told me they do this all the time or did, he would take any dairy farm truck that came in luckily...lol
 

ShadowMan

Designated Grumpy Old Fart
I don't think it's the Chicken Manure being feed to cattle....it's the left over "protein" waste from the chicken factories....i.e. guts, bits and bobs. Hey FEATHERS ARE PROTEIN...let's feed that to other critters. THAT'S JUST PLAIN STUPID!

Mad Cow disease was a result of feeding cattle the leftover OFFAL from butchered sheep, which introduced the Prion (smaller than a virus) disease to cattle. And then, when humans ate the beef....guess what? They infected themselves with this Prion.

Herbivores are not designed or supposed to eat MEAT!! Their proteins are gained from PLANTS NOT OFFAL!!

OFFAL:
noun
  1. the edible organs, or organ parts, of a butchered animal; organ meat: Our top three sellers in offal are beef kidney, liver, and tongue.: Compare muscle meat.
  2. the parts of a butchered animal that are considered inedible by human beings; discarded viscera.
  1. refuse; rubbish; garbage: Before the agent comes to appraise the house, let’s get someone to haul away all this offal in the backyard.
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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I don't think it's the Chicken Manure being feed to cattle....it's the left over "protein" waste from the chicken factories....i.e. guts, bits and bobs. Hey FEATHERS ARE PROTEIN...let's feed that to other critters. THAT'S JUST PLAIN STUPID!

Mad Cow disease was a result of feeding cattle the leftover OFFAL from butchered sheep, which introduced the Prion (smaller than a virus) disease to cattle. And then, when humans ate the beef....guess what? They infected themselves with this Prion.

Herbivores are not designed or supposed to eat MEAT!! Their proteins are gained from PLANTS NOT OFFAL!!
No, it's definitely manure. It's a "non protein nitrogen " source, which is converted to protein by the gut microflora in ruminants.

Summerthyme (it's possible ground feathers could also be in there)
 

ShadowMan

Designated Grumpy Old Fart
No, it's definitely manure. It's a "non protein nitrogen " source, which is converted to protein by the gut microflora in ruminants.

Summerthyme (it's possible ground feathers could also be in there)

Well, whatever it is, chicken manure, feathers, offal, it's not what cattle should be fed - PERIOD!! We need to stop this STUPID GARBAGE and get back to nature and natural feeds. Just like feeding GRAIN to cattle. That's what totally messes up their digestive system and leads to bad E-Coli issues. That and feed lots where the cattle crammed together and are standing on piles of dung. That's can't be healthy in any way shape or form.
 

Wyominglarry

Veteran Member
It seems to me that the government or just the elites are trying to destroy the food industry to promote their stupid agenda of less farms and eat more bugs. I read that 2 million chickens were culled due to this bird virus. That drives up the cost of eggs and chicken.
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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Well, whatever it is, chicken manure, feathers, offal, it's not what cattle should be fed - PERIOD!! We need to stop this STUPID GARBAGE and get back to nature and natural feeds. Just like feeding GRAIN to cattle. That's what totally messes up their digestive system and leads to bad E-Coli issues. That and feed lots where the cattle crammed together and are standing on piles of dung. That's can't be healthy in any way shape or form.
Agreed... except that feeding grain in *reasonable * amounts isn't at all harmful. The big problem with E.Coli in feedlots is feeding ALL grain, to fatten them faster. It's not remotely a balanced diet, and results in fatty livers, abomasal ulcers, and enough of an imbalance in gut flora to allow pathogenic E.Coli to flourish.

Having fed high producing dairy cows for over 40 years, I know how much grain a *properly * fed cow can consume. We balanced their diet by first feeding a minimum of 30# (dry matter basis) of forage... pasture in season, high quality hay in winter. Then they got approximately 1# of grain for every 3# of milk they produced, over 30#.

Cows producing over 110# of milk daily (13 gallons) were "fed to appetite"... essentially fed as much grain as they would/could consume, in 3 feedings per day. A few cows could eat 12 -15# per feeding... and still consume 30# of hay daily. Giving 135# of milk a day... they needed every bit of it!

When they calved, we had "led fed" them for 2-3 weeks... slowly brought them from a pound per day to 6# per day, but never increasing the amount more than 1/2# every 2 days. This was to reaccustom their gut bacteria to grain, and to be able to get them on full feed as quickly as was safely possible as they came onto full milk production... a delicate balancing act, attempting to keep them from losing too much weight. The goal was to have them pregnant again at 90 days post calving, which was around the time they also would be at peak production.

It worked... if nothing happened! Retaining a placenta, having twins, developing mastitis... all could cause huge problems. But most of those problems were preventable (or at least manageable) with proper nutrition.

Most farms saw cases of acid ketosis, twisted stomachs and other serious metabolic disorders in 10% or more of fresh cows. We milked 50 cows... in 42 years, we had exactly TWO twisted stomachs! And our cattle routinely lived past 10 years old... had 8 or more calves. The current average (last time I looked) is 4 years old and TWO calves before they are sold for beef. If it weren't for seed seven being developed which hugely increases the odds of heifer calves, most large herds would have to buy huge numbers of replacements every year. It's absolutely nuts!

Summerthyme
 

IdahoMom

Contributing Member
Is "poultry litter" the same thing as "chicken meal" that is in dog and cat food? There seems to be an issue with pet food again and wondering if there is any relation here? (The major issue seems to be with new bags of PPP)
 

summerthyme

Administrator
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Is "poultry litter" the same thing as "chicken meal" that is in dog and cat food? There seems to be an issue with pet food again and wondering if there is any relation here? (The major issue seems to be with new bags of PPP)
Yes... poultry litter is literally the pen cleanings... feces and any bedding. Chicken meal is ground up "scrap" parts of chicken not sold for human consumption. Non-ruminant animals can't get any nutritional benefit from poultry litter, but ruminants can convert the ammonia and nitrogen into protein.

Summerthyme
 
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