ENER Govt declaring pi = 3 department; NY governor orders utility to distribute imaginary natural gas

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Cuomo Orders Utility To Pump Imaginary Natural Gas

JAZZ SHAW
October 12, 2019

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"There’s been a standoff between New York City and utility company National Grid going on since May of this year. As you may recall, plans for a new natural gas pipeline from New Jersey were killed off by the state government under pressure from environmental activists. As a result, National Grid wound up imposing a moratorium on new gas hookups because the current supply was insufficient to serve additional customers. This has resulted in more than a thousand potential customers being unable to be hooked up.

Now the Governor has come up with a unique plan to end the stalemate. Using an obscure state law regulating utility companies through the power of the Public Service Commission, Andrew Cuomo (who helped kill the pipeline project) is simply ordering the utility to hook up the gas lines anyway. (New York Post)

The Cuomo administration is ordering National Grid to provide natural gas hookups to over 1,100 previously denied Brooklyn-based customers.

The Public Service Commission, the state body that licenses and oversees public utility companies, announced Friday that National Grid must provide service to customers or else face “millions of dollars in penalties.”

Previously, 1,157 customers had been denied service due to National Grid’s moratorium on all new gas hookups, announced in May.

Cuomo is accusing National Grid of “acting in bad faith” and crowing about their public responsibility to provide reliable service. But he’s simultaneously reiterating his opposition to the Williams Pipeline.

Does this guy understand what he’s asking for here? We’re also left wondering if he understands why the utility stopped authorizing new gas lines in the first place. Does he think that National Grid was simply tired of making money? Obviously they want to sign up new customers so they can begin billing them.

But there isn’t enough natural gas in the existing pipeline to keep adding more service points. If they continue to hook up new customers, you’re going to see the backpressure in the lines start dropping during peak demand hours. If you look at the configuration of a typical gas furnace installation you’ll note that if the incoming gas pressure drops too low, the furnace will simply shut down for safety reasons until the pressure is restored. The same is true for many other appliances that use natural gas or propane.

Since peak demand typically hits during a severe cold snap in the winter, what Cuomo is ordering could result in a lot of people suddenly going without heat, most likely near the furthest extreme of the gas lines. And at that point, complaining to National Grid and issuing more orders isn’t going to make the heat come back on.

Of course, none of this may wind up mattering (at least until winter) because National Grid turned around and agreed to do the hookups anyway. It was that or face crippling fines handed down by the state. They will apparently open up more lines and just wait for the weakening gas supply to shut off the heat on its own.

There’s a solution to this problem right in front of the governor if he has the common sense to see it. Your problem isn’t the management at the utility. It’s the lack of natural gas supplies running into Brooklyn. Approving the new pipeline would fix this because there is a virtually limitless supply of gas waiting for you in Pennsylvania. (And there would be in your own state as well if you hadn’t signed a moratorium on fracking.) Approve the pipeline, get the gas flowing again and all of these headaches go away. Fail to do so and you’re going to wind up with an army of freezing, very angry constituents in February. It’s your call."
 
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Luddite

Veteran Member
Black outs on the left coast. Soon to be GAS outs on the right coast.

Libs and their stupid decisions are going to alienate anyone with commonsense.

The sooner the better.
 

jed turtle

a brother in the Lord
Black outs on the left coast. Soon to be GAS outs on the right coast.

Libs and their stupid decisions are going to alienate anyone with commonsense.

The sooner the better.

But that brings up the question: are there enough voters with common sense to matter any more?
Apparently not in most of the New England and West Coast regions. Those with the ability to figure it out will eventually either find alternatives solutions to their most basic needs or move to somewhere else.
 

Groucho

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Look at this lunacy in NY and look at the moonbatery going on in Kali. They're going to start a squeeze play, pushing from the East and the West until the mid country is overrun by drooling, wild eyed, orally flatulent crazies. :eek:
 

Luddite

Veteran Member
But that brings up the question: are there enough voters with common sense to matter any more?
Apparently not in most of the New England and West Coast regions. Those with the ability to figure it out will eventually either find alternatives solutions to their most basic needs or move to somewhere else.

Valid concern. I'm optimistic that the clueless will quickly see the error of the leftists' ways. Imo, the militant minority can still be subjugated into an irrelevant Constitutional nonentity. l'm prepping to be wrong.
 

Doat

Veteran Member
“But that brings up the question: are there enough voters with common sense to matter anymore?”
That’s the question, and sadly we have become the land of the free and the home of the morons.
 

NoDandy

Has No Life - Lives on TB
" you’re going to wind up with an army of freezing, very angry constituents in February "

Well, they voted in that stupid bastard. Give them rope, point to where Cuomo lives, tell them : HE IS YOUR PROBLEM !!! HANG HIM, AND YOUR PROBLEM WILL GO AWAY !!!
 

CaryC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Look at this lunacy in NY and look at the moonbatery going on in Kali. They're going to start a squeeze play, pushing from the East and the West until the mid country is overrun by drooling, wild eyed, orally flatulent crazies. :eek:

Already happening. Drove down an isle at Walmart and didn't see a single tag from MS. New York, NC, Oklahoma, Alaska, etc...…

Luddite said:
Valid concern. I'm optimistic that the clueless will quickly see the error of the leftists' ways. Imo, the militant minority can still be subjugated into an irrelevant Constitutional nonentity. l'm prepping to be wrong.

Naw, dude, wake up, they are bringing their stupid philosophies, and politics/vote WITH THEM, thinking they will change us and it will be different this time.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Already happening. Drove down an isle at Walmart and didn't see a single tag from MS. New York, NC, Oklahoma, Alaska, etc...…

OF COURSE, you didn't. It's the Semi-Annual "Changing of the Plates". It's "SnowBird Arrival Season".
 

CaryC

Has No Life - Lives on TB
OF COURSE, you didn't. It's the Semi-Annual "Changing of the Plates". It's "SnowBird Arrival Season".

I've always wondered why someone from Alaska, would drive all the way to MS to shop at Walmart, when there are plenty between here and there.
 

20Gauge

TB Fanatic
But that brings up the question: are there enough voters with common sense to matter any more?
Apparently not in most of the New England and West Coast regions. Those with the ability to figure it out will eventually either find alternatives solutions to their most basic needs or move to somewhere else.

I don't think there are. The crazy is too infused in to the system to be able to root them out. It is like Trump and his issues. Every time he thinks he has gotten out all of the turncoats, another pops up.
 

20Gauge

TB Fanatic
No different than “buying back” something they never owned.


The logic with the "buyback" is that you never actually "owned" the property. They view all property as "owned by the government" and you are just using it for a period of time when you "buy" it. IE: the communist idea of we collectively own all things and by we... the government.
 

TerryK

TB Fanatic
Govt declaring pi = 3 department;
You obviously are naive when it comes to the government and its policies. :lol:
Ever hear the term "Close enough for government work"?
It's unfortunately very common now days.
 
Kali has it all figgered out. Cities are not hooking up gas in new residential permits. We’ll just use windmill juice to cook and heat water. When the wind doesn’t blow, we either do without or fire up the gas peakers, at 3x the emissions of direct in-home gas usage.
Smart liberals.
 

Troke

On TB every waking moment
Hmmm! The gas company might have 2, 000,000 customers given where they operate. So this addition is ye olde droppe in the Bucket. (Metaphor there) However, I bet the bucket is already over stretched because I am sure the corp fiscal bean counters over-rode the engineers for a long time. But maybe it is becoming obvious to even them there is Big Trouble on the horizon if there is an unusually bitter cold snap this winter and gas pressure gets too low to operate the heaters resulting in a large group of people becoming greatly vexed...at the gas company.

So a company on Top of their Job would immediately start a "Gas Frugality in case of Emergency" program instantly, before memory of the Gov's actions fades. And it should be brutal, home at 60 deg, hot water on 'warm', etc. And this should be hammered day after day. So when it comes and I guarantee it will come because I think the Grid has already been stretched to the limit.

No PR program? Guess who gets blamed if gas gets short? Won't be the Gov.

But they won't do it because as the Poet has stated,The best explanation for the behavior of a large corp (and gov) is that it s being managed by a cabal of its enemies.
 

Millwright

Knuckle Dragger
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Gas distribution presents some difficult problems.

You can't just turn it off n on like electric supplies.

Once service is disrupted, every meter has to be shut off and all appliances relit or physically checked.

It's an expensive and labor intensive process.
 

Macgyver

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Pipeline got killed in NJ because it crossed the state from PA and had no purpose for NJ.
NY should have ran it in their own state.

I say let the builders pay for the gas company to hook up. Just don't turn on the curb stops.
 
Gas distribution presents some difficult problems.

You can't just turn it off n on like electric supplies.

Once service is disrupted, every meter has to be shut off and all appliances relit or physically checked.

It's an expensive and labor intensive process.

Kinda like checking 27,000 miles of power lines for twigs?
 

The Mountain

Here since the beginning
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...Apparently not in most of the New England ... regions.

New York is NOT New England.

Now, that said, New England is being nearly as stupid, with all the NIMBYs and "Enviro-mentalists" fighting tooth and nail against any any and all pipelines, just like the idiots in NY did, and then spend all winter bitching about the cost of NatGas and heating oil.
 
“But there isn’t enough natural gas in the existing pipeline to keep adding more service points. If they continue to hook up new customers, you’re going to see the backpressure in the lines start dropping during peak demand hours. If you look at the configuration of a typical gas furnace installation you’ll note that if the incoming gas pressure drops too low, the furnace will simply shut down for safety reasons until the pressure is restored. The same is true for many other appliances that use natural gas or propane.”

I don’t think the appliance shuts down from low gas pressure, but if the pressure drops so low the flame extinguishes, the valve that was being held open by a thermocouple or some such will close. Even if the furnace relights, not enough gas will lead to not enough flame to keep valve open, no heat.
 
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