CHAT Got the J&J vax today, and it’s ENTIRELY AlfaMan’s fault!

coalcracker

Veteran Member
I find it sadly comical that so many here loudly proclaim "don't trust the government" and yet stand in line to take a unproven jab, wildly promoted, by that same government.
Seems pretty clear to me that the beast and/or beast system finally arrives, getting people to accept the mark will be a cake walk.
And to add to your point, how can people so easily go along with the main stream media which has been promoting the vaccine non-stop for months? Is CNN all-of-a-sudden telling the truth? Does ABC and MSNBC really want what’s best for the unwashed masses?

No, sir.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
I haven't had a chance to read this entire thread but:

The non-mRNA vaccines in current use in the US, Europe, or South America are:

1. Astra Zenica - Widely used in the UK, may have some blood clot issues in younger people, but for most people has mild side effects (for real), two shots are needed.

2. Johnson and Johnson - one-shot, limited known side effects, my preferred option - again any vaccine can have side effects in some people but so far those reported seem in the "normal" range -ONE shot only.

3. Sputnick - Russian vaccine, I think two shots but I'd have to look that up, maybe cleared for use in the EU; it actually seems to be fairly safe and seems about as effective as the other two traditional vaccines. The Russians are not the Soviets anymore and the vaccine seems at least sound and I would take it.

4. Chinese - not sure the official name, has rather poor outcomes in terms of preventing further infections, is widely used in Brazil, and not working very well. I would not take this one even if approved over here which it is not.

Right now there is a huge push (Nightwolf and I were just discussing it) to try to push the mRNA vaccines onto Americans and to try to limit the use of non-mRNA vaccines in Europe.

Nightwolf says that medically that is the exact opposite of what you would expect to be the best medical protocols when it comes to new and experimental technology.

I've noticed recently a tendency for the mainstream press over here to play up the side effects of Astra Zenica (the main non mRNA over here) while hardly mentioning the high number of level 3 and painful level 2 reactions produced by the mRNA vaccines.

Anyway, Dennis made exactly the same decision that I would make in his shoes; I'll probably end up taking either Astra Zenica or J and J, my preference at the time would be J and J.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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Morning report:

No headache. Feel “slightly” warm (haven’t taken temp.) Achy, BUT - I took a 4 hour drive yesterday, which is the longest I’ve taken in over 5 years. Thus the aches could be my body’s protestation over the ride. No other ill effects (so far.)
 

Skyraider

Senior Member
My wife and I both got the J&J, one week ago today. Zero after affects for both of us. She was determined to do something, I said only the J&J. What I really want to speak too is the vaccinefinder.org. We are in southwest Florida right now. There big drive thru operations and CVS and Publix pharmacies providing vacs. Very few providing J&J. Many older folks complaining about the difficulty of scheduling. Forget registering and waiting to be called. Use the vaccine finder. When you enter the site, all three vacs are listed with check boxes. Uncheck the pfizer and maderma and leave the J&J checked. Enter your zip code and then select how many miles you are willing to travel. I selected 25. Out of the tens and tens of locations providing vacs there were only three giving the J&J. they pop up on a map. Select the location you want, it opens another window and displays times available. Select the time you want and begin the registration process. Have your health care info ready, mine being Medicare and supplemental G, or indicate you have none. It doesn’t matter because they are Free, period. We walked into an empty CVS fifteen minutes away a few minutes before our appt., did not have to show any type of id, were shown to a seat, the pharmacist came over and administered the injection, we waited 15 mins an up and gone. Saw two other humans back there and that was all.

Here’s the real tip. Wait till 7am in the morning, which is what is stated locally here and you will not find an appt. The secret is logging in a little after Midnight. The next day’s available appts are there at that time. It took me till about 1am to finish setting up both appts.

I am not advocating anything, we walk our own paths. I had my reasons for my decision, still pumping the supplements and have Ivermectin with us. I really just wanted to give some info on the site Dennis recommended.

Skyraider
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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And to add to your point, how can people so easily go along with the main stream media which has been promoting the vaccine non-stop for months? Is CNN all-of-a-sudden telling the truth? Does ABC and MSNBC really want what’s best for the unwashed masses?

No, sir.
I am totally in agreement with that assessment. Thankfully, as the local chapter president of INTJs of America, I analyzed the pros and cons for myself. I have a MARKED propensity for getting respiratory illnesses. That’s been true all my life. That’s why I took the pneumonia vax 15 years ago and the booster last year. The primary symptom of Covid is respiratory impairment. I can add 2+2, KWIM?
 
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Dobbin

Faithful Steed
Morning report:

No headache. Feel “slightly” warm (haven’t taken temp.) Achy, BUT - I took a 4 hour drive yesterday, which is the longest I’ve taken in over 5 years. Thus the aches could be by body’s protestation over the ride. No other ill effects (so far.)
And you've suddenly developed a tolerance for mis-spells, grammatical error, and even (wait for it) error of logical thought?

Naw - you're fine. I'm sure nothing has changed.

As the gatekeeper of logical thought, I'm sure you're only letting the beings through who meet the standard.

Like qualification to vote SHOULD be - except in Banana USA.

Time Magazine's next article:
The Secret History of Dennis Olson That Saved Communication by Words.

Dobbin
 
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WalknTrot

Veteran Member
Counterthought: people are opposed to genetic modification of corn, but okay with that being done to them. So, you trust Stalin's and Mao's philosophical heirs in the U.S. Government more than you do corporations out to make money. Oooookay.
Not all of us are opposed to the genetic modification of corn. :)
 

et2

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Well its going to be interesting to sit back and observe. Many of us have done our own research and have made decision that they feel serve them best.

I don’t knock anyone for getting the vaccine, and will not accept being marginalized or considered a “problem” for not getting one ( it’s coming). Worse case scenario I will die. That day was coming since the day I was born. So be it.

I have many reasons not to believe our government, medical community, or the their propaganda arm the fake news. I certainly don’t believe anything from the media at face value.

So we have 4 scenarios ... 3 different vaccines in the USA and non-vaxers. It will be interesting to see how it plays out over the next few years.
 

glennb6

Senior Member
knowing that there are a number of other cures available, knowing that all the 'vaxes' are still considered experimental, knowing there cannot be any longer term test data to determine any longer term effects, knowing that there is a huge MSM+Govt+Elite push for everyone to get jabbed... (gee, I trust those guys in MSM+Govt+Elite because they love me and only want what's best for me :kk2:) knowing the fatality rate is 0.034%, the infection rate is about 1.6%, and if you were one of the elite few who did catch it even the WHO states that 99.6% of 'cases' have but mild symptoms.
These statement aren't off the cuff and neither are the stats.

Sorry but I just don't understand the logic of getting injected. Hope y'all don't develop mad cow or cancer or dementia down the road, maybe you won't, hope you won't, but I just don't get the logic or reasons for being a human guinea pig
 

Catnip

Veteran Member
I confess I've been tempted to just do it. It's easy to forget that all this was developed under Trump. Project Warp Speed, remember? Are we to believe that suddenly Trump was Deep State all this time??

But I've got no real reason to do it yet, so I'm going to hold out as long as I can.
Trump gets blamed for everything.

The CV-19 virus was created for the vaccine, not the other way around. The 2 vaccines (mRNA and AstraZeneca) were created long before the fictitious virus was released. The vax-in-waiting could not be released until Trump was out of office so he couldn't throw a monkey wrench into the globalists' plan. They are long-time planners who have the money and patience to wait until all of their cards are in place, which usually takes years.

In my opinion, Trump was ill-advised on purpose by his deep state advisors so they could blame him for anything covid or vaccine in order to keep him from being re-elected. He is their political thorn.

One more thought: is Trump is responsible for the J&J vaccine because that's the one the MSM is not recommending because it actually is a vaccine? It's also very obvious (if one thinks about it) that the MSM is not pushing the J&J vax like they are the other vaccines.
 

Tristan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
There is a Dr who is saying if you get the vaccine, you have 5 to 10 years to live. If you are over 70 you have 3 to 5. No thanks, I'll take my chances and hope to live more than that. If not it was God's will and not the pharmaceutical companies decision. I'll keep taking my Ivermectin.
Can you give a link to the Dr.?

Thanks.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
It is more likely the start of a urinary tract infection from driving that far in a short period of time, especially if it was relatively warm in the car.

Don't ignore this, at least call in or drop by one of those urgent care clinics because this can go from very mild and easy to treat to rather serious in a few days, especially in those of us who are older.

While these can be sexually transmitted, the majority are just caused by natural issues such as heat, hydration, or even another medical condition that lowers the immunity a bit (or spikes it which the shot may have done).

It has absolutely nothing to do with how many tats a patient or their partner has, and is often transmitted between totally monogamous husbands and wives (when it is transmitted sexually, which is usually AFTER one partner already has it for other reasons).
 

Tristan

Has No Life - Lives on TB
One batch of the J&J Vaccine spoiled for "not meeting quality standards".

I Just hope they found all the problems.

ETA: some things just shouldn't be 'rushed'...



April 1, 2021, 12:09 AM EDT / Updated April 1, 2021, 1:54 PM EDT
By Erika Edwards
Johnson & Johnson said Wednesday that a batch of its key vaccine ingredient didn't meet quality control standards at a Baltimore facility.
The issue will not affect the Biden administration's timeline to have enough vaccine doses for the U.S. adult population by the end of May, two senior administration officials said.

The manufacturing issue was first reported Wednesday by The New York Times. Johnson & Johnson said in a statement that a batch of the active ingredient at Emergent BioSolutions in Baltimore "did not meet quality standards."


White House to purchase 100 million more doses of Johnson & Johnson vaccine
March 10, 202101:59

"This batch was never advanced to the filling and finishing stages of our manufacturing process," the statement read.

The doses available so far were made at a separate facility authorized by the Food and Drug Administration and were not affected by the issue at Emergent BioSolutions, the two senior administration officials said.

Emergent BioSolutions is also producing ingredients for AstraZeneca's vaccine, and the Johnson & Johnson product was contaminated with AstraZeneca product, according to a senior administration official. The bad batch contained enough product to make 15 million doses.

Johnson & Johnson has been urged to take "full supervisory control" of the situation, because Emergent BioSolutions is its subcontractor, the official said.
In an email, a spokeswoman for the FDA said: "FDA is aware of the situation, but we are unable to comment further. Questions about a firm's manufacturing facilities should be directed to that firm."Reached for comment Wednesday night, Emergent BioSolutions referred NBC News to Johnson & Johnson.Related
Johnson & Johnson vaccine deemed safe and effective in documents released by FDA
J&J vaccine deemed safe and effective in documents released by FDA
Thursday, however, Emergent BioSolutions said in a statement that "there are rigorous quality checks throughout our vaccine manufacturing processes, and through these checks a single batch of drug substance was identified that did not meet specifications and our rigorous quality standards. We isolated this batch and it will be disposed of properly."

Johnson & Johnson said it would provide "additional experts in manufacturing, technical operations and quality to be on-site at Emergent to supervise, direct and support all manufacturing" of its vaccine.

Johnson & Johnson's vaccine, made by the company's Janssen subsidiary, was shown to be 86 percent effective in preventing severe forms of Covid-19, and it received emergency use authorization from the FDA in late February.

The company rolled out about 4 million doses immediately, but shipments have stalled since then.

Late Wednesday, Johnson & Johnson said it had met its "commitment to deliver enough single-shot vaccines by the end of March to enable the full vaccination of more than 20 million people in the United States."

According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, just over 6.7 million doses had been delivered by Wednesday evening. It is possible that the difference in the delivery numbers could be due to a lag in reporting to the CDC.

The company has also promised to deliver 100 million doses by the end of May.
 

TerryK

TB Fanatic
I got the J&J shot today. My vaccine card says it expires 6/21/2021 can that be true that it’s only good for a little over two months?
That is the expiration date of that vaccine lot number.
In other words. the shelf life of the vaccine before it's no longer to be used.

Lot numbers of vaccines are always recorded so that if people have problems with a vaccine it can be traced back to the batch, location and time of manufacture.
 
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SmithJ

Veteran Member
I find it sadly comical that so many here loudly proclaim "don't trust the government" and yet stand in line to take a unproven jab, wildly politicized , by that same government.
Seems pretty clear to me that the beast and/or beast system finally arrives, getting people to accept the mark will be a cake walk.
I know! It's amazing to me that people take that social security and federal/state retirement from that nasty government! And how can they drive on those roads paved by that nasty government? Don't they know that the Feds could put cancer causing material in that asphalt? And don't get me started on that blood pressure medicine and antibiotics that were approved by that nasty government! Don't people know that the nasty government probably pressured the drug companies to include "whatever" in those drugs?

After all, wouldn't it make sense for "them" to contaminate those drugs (the ones the "useless eaters") take?

And the prenatal vitamins........ Oh, the horror................
 

Chicken Mama

Veteran Member
J&J once and done is incorrect. No matter which jab you take, the "experts" are already claiming you'll need another in 9-12 months and probably yearly after that.
 

TerryK

TB Fanatic
By the way, the J&J vaccine uses genetically coded DNA carried by the AdenoVirus to make mRNA that in turn makes the Covid Spikes that trigger the immune response and learning.
mRNA is ultimately used in both cases.
The Pfizer, Moderna, and J&J all use your own body's cellular machinery to produce the covid spikes. The J&J just uses an extra step to use DNA to make the mRNA. DNA is more stable the mRNA. That's why it doesn't have to be kept so cold to prevent damage. Anyway all 3 are good vaccines and are likely to become the standard for producing new vaccines in the future.
Good luck Dennis. Each person makes that decision for themselves.
Is your arm sore yet?
 

Blacknarwhal

President-Elect
Trump gets blamed for everything.

The CV-19 virus was created for the vaccine, not the other way around. The 2 vaccines (mRNA and AstraZeneca) were created long before the fictitious virus was released. The vax-in-waiting could not be released until Trump was out of office so he couldn't throw a monkey wrench into the globalists' plan. They are long-time planners who have the money and patience to wait until all of their cards are in place, which usually takes years.

In my opinion, Trump was ill-advised on purpose by his deep state advisors so they could blame him for anything covid or vaccine in order to keep him from being re-elected. He is their political thorn.

One more thought: is Trump is responsible for the J&J vaccine because that's the one the MSM is not recommending because it actually is a vaccine? It's also very obvious (if one thinks about it) that the MSM is not pushing the J&J vax like they are the other vaccines.
Which also makes me wonder if it might not be a good move, tactically, to get the J&J vaccine. It throws a monkeywrench into Deep State plans to shoot you full of Moderna and Pfizer's murder juice, and might even be protective. After all, right now, you've got the choice. If you wait a few months, you might suddenly not.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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Which also makes me wonder if it might not be a good move, tactically, to get the J&J vaccine. It throws a monkeywrench into Deep State plans to shoot you full of Moderna and Pfizer's murder juice, and might even be protective. After all, right now, you've got the choice. If you wait a few months, you might suddenly not.
Now THAT is a most disturbing thought!
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
And Melodi, the INTJ (who denies being INTJ) misses my humor entirely. Again.

:p
No, I didn't, I ignored it - and it is about 5 different tests, including two done professionally at very different ages that say I am an ENFP and if you KNEW me personally you would know that is true.

It is simply that I learned to THINK somewhat like an INTJ when I have to because that's how certain types of research require you to do, especially in any good graduate school.

This sort of thinking comes easier to INTJ's, just like emoting all over the place and spilling our guts on the floor while taking 25 minutes to decide which brand of cereal to buy and talking about the dream we had last night comes easier to ENFP's.

Besides, I wasn't just responding to you, I was also responding to other posters who were asking questions about the vaccines so I thought I'd put it all in one place.

Never think this Scorpio isn't getting your dark humor, but sometimes just going along with it makes a better point than responding. That wasn't really the situation in this case, as I was just answering the questions of others while supporting your decision to go with the J and J vaccine.

But there have been other times when yeah, I know someone is being sarcastic, so I pretend to take them at their word because it fits in making a reasonable response.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Not buyin’ it.... :p
Thankfully you don't have to, but just wait if we get to visit my in-laws in Texas and I can ENFP all over you - I often send my ISTJ Engineer housemate into the depths of despair and confuse the heck out of my INTJ husband (we think that is what he is, he doesn't do tests well and being Sheldon is hard to put in a category other than Aspie Nerd).

I am very much like the ENFP in those hilarious videos which helped my housemate and I get along better - the "I will psychically intuit the shopping list" was spot on.

However, unlike the young ENFP in the videos I have LEARNED to lay out my clothing and pack my suitcase the night before trips, it only took about 35 years before I got the hang of it.
 

DannyBoy

Veteran Member
I haven't had a chance to read this entire thread but:
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Nightwolf says that medically that is the exact opposite of what you would expect to be the best medical protocols when it comes to new and experimental technology.
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Not sure what you mean? Do you mean the mRNA is the exact opposite of the best protocols?
 

cyberiot

Workin' the plan.
I am totally in agreement with that assessment. Thankfully, as the local chapter president of INTJs of America, I analyzed the pros and cons for myself. I have a MARKED propensity for getting respiratory illnesses. That’s been true all my life. That’s why I took the pneumonia vax 15 years ago and the booster last year. The primary symptom of Covid is respiratory impairment. I can add 2+2, KWIM?
Ya done the right thing for the right reason. Accept no gas for your decision.

I'm told this place is all about being free to make your own decisions based on your own judgment and research and circumstances. Let's hope that's true.
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
Not sure what you mean? Do you mean the mRNA is the exact opposite of the best protocols?
Sorry if I wasn't clear, what he meant was that if you have a choice between a conventional and tested type of technology or an experimental one, both of which have some side effects but those side effects are either about the same or LOWER than with the experimental vaccines, it usually be medically more appropriate to use the TESTED and older technology over the new one.

If anything, there seems to be a push, at least in Europe; to try to limit the use of the older technology because 30 people out of something like 30 million had a blood clot issue (and yes a few died) leaving only the much more expensive and experimental mRNA vaccines which are known to cause all sorts of issues, including severe and potentially fatal allergic reactions.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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leaving only the much more expensive and experimental mRNA vaccines which are known to cause all sorts of issues, including severe and potentially fatal allergic reactions
My project lead over the past year got the double shot mRNA version. Shot #1 had no ill effects, but shot #2 put her on her back for three days.
 

annieosage

Veteran Member
There is a Dr who is saying if you get the vaccine, you have 5 to 10 years to live. If you are over 70 you have 3 to 5. No thanks, I'll take my chances and hope to live more than that. If not it was God's will and not the pharmaceutical companies decision. I'll keep taking my Ivermectin.
And any of us coul
Can you give a link to the Dr.?

Thanks.
Don't you mean "Dr."

By the way I feel great this morning. ZERO side effects- so far.. If this means my life will end in 5-10 years so be it. I could die tomorrow from some unknown thing. This doesn't mean I am gullible enough to take the mark of the beast :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

2 Timothy 1:7
7 For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind.

My mind is perfectly sound and I have prayed a lot about this and believe this is what God directed me to do. Like I said before, YMMV.
 
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