chumly2071
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The PSA D&H mags are good, and thankfully I made my purchases when they were $6.99, and shipped free when I bought.
GUNS/RLTD Getting Ready to buy an AR-15
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Marthanoir
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Turkey used to build Benelli's under licence, many of the designs have been tweaked by Turkish gunmakers,
Theres a cool M3 clone out there.
Stoeger amongst other brands are rebadging Trukish guns.
So you get a lot of bang for your buck (pun totally intended)
The setup you're looking for is a red dot mounted ahead of a hinged "magnifier" or a red dot on an adjustable scope that goes from zero magnification to 4X. Check out some of the applicable episodes of InRangeTV and related sites.
EMICT
Veteran Member
On my seventh business day awaiting Palmetto to ship my Turkish Black Aces Tactical Pro 12. Man, these semi auto shotguns are getting as scarce as hens teeth. Had a couple of mag fed 12's in the past, and reliability was less than stellar. Decided to go with the traditional tube fed for reliability once I find the ammo that the beast eats the best.Turkey used to build Benelli's under licence, many of the designs have been tweaked by Turkish gunmakers,
Theres a cool M3 clone out there.
Stoeger amongst other brands are rebadging Trukish guns.
So you get a lot of bang for your buck (pun totally intended)
20Gauge
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I have been finding that the 30 round magazines are far cheaper. I only have one 20 round.
Shooter
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Most of the people like Doug, or me, got the 20,s when we were in the service, I sent home about 20 of them,
and a 20 round mag aint bad, if you just have a semi weapon. you can change a mag in 2 or 3 seconds,
intowolves
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So wheres the best place to buy ammo right now?
Everything is pretty crazy right now...ammo, uppers and firearms. Was looking around at pistol uppers in 300BLK. Not many to be found right now. MidwayUSA doesn’t have much ammo at all in any of the popular defensive calibers. I assume just about everybody is this way right now. I can wait it out, but for those just coming to the conclusion they need to be armed, they are probably pretty unhappy.
Binkerthebear
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April 26th: “I’d give the market a week or three to calm down.”
How’d that work out ?
How’d that work out ?
1911user
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They'll calm down when there is nothing left to sell.April 26th: “I’d give the market a week or three to calm down.”
How’d that work out ?
Mikiekimi
I’m just here for the gasoline...
Yeah, was weird going to Cabelas and seeing not only the ammo shelves nearly wiped out, but I’d say 2/3 of the firearms (normally displayed) are gone. Seemed like only collectables in the Gun Library or firearms in some of the less popular platforms or calibers were available. Their website shows almost zero stock on firearms. Luckily I scored a few hundred more rounds of 5.56...which is what I was looking for.
intowolves
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https://gunbot.net is a pretty good site to compare ammo prices online.
I have mostly bought ammo from SGAmmo over in Stillwater, OK. Sam Gabbert and family have built a nice business. They must have UPS trucks lined up out there every day.
I have mostly bought ammo from SGAmmo over in Stillwater, OK. Sam Gabbert and family have built a nice business. They must have UPS trucks lined up out there every day.
1911user
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https://www.sgammo.com/
Due to extremely high demand and order volume, orders placed at this time are expected to take up to 7 days to ship out.
EDIT: they have some IMI M193 for 37-38 cents/round. In the past, that would be high, but a decent price by current standards.
500 Round Case - 5.56mm 55 Grain FMJ M193 IMI Ammo Made by Israel Military Industries | SGAmmo.com
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Yes, and they give some tips to get a shipment out quicker, such as not mixing ammo orders, etc.
You used to be able to drop in and pick up ammo when they first started up. A son in Tulsa would drop in but they got so busy that they had to stop allowing that. (I don't know if there were other business reasons like liability or whatever)
You used to be able to drop in and pick up ammo when they first started up. A son in Tulsa would drop in but they got so busy that they had to stop allowing that. (I don't know if there were other business reasons like liability or whatever)
Doomer Doug
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Okay, maybe I am failing to make clear my "vision" for what I want. First, I be 66 years old, gang so none of this Rambo storming the ramparts stuff. I mean seriously?
I bought an exact copy/clone of the M-16 I was issued in training at Fort Leonard Wood, back in August of 1973. It does what it does, and nothing more. Further, well the standard combat load for an AR-15 M-16 is 400 5.56mm or 223 in 20 mags. Right now I have TEN STANDARD METAL 20 ROUND MAGS, IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE FROM THE VIETNAM ERA AND ONE MODERN 30 ROUND ONE THAT CAME WITH THE AR-15. Sorry, but that is 230 combat rounds fully loaded in 11 mags, and that is a lot of combat firepower on hand. The bottom line here is I will be DEAD, DEAD, DEAD, before I empty all 11 of them.
Now after spending more time than I cared to, looking online for M-16 carry pouches, etc and failing miserably to find any in stock, or have them take my One Vanilla Visa card, I have given up.
So, as of right now I have ONE Vietnam Era M-16 carry pouch that holds 3 20 round mags. It has two grenade loops, and no grenades, or full auto so I'm good with it. Next, I have, no shit sherlock, a Chinese Communist shoulder pouch that I picked up SOMEWHERE, SOMEHOW IN MY PORTLAND WANDERINGS.
It is a shoulder type carry bag, that I kid you not has a 60's era picture of Mao in his little hat he wore when he was out culturally revoltionizing piles of corpses.
In it, I put 7 20 round mags, plus 140 rounds, plus 60 rounds for a total of 200 rounds. Now this kind of simple carry bag will save me the price of 3 modern triple carry pouches that are damn near unfindable, and will cost $50 plus. So, I am going to stick to Comrade Mao's bag, the M-16 pouch with the 3 20 round, and the 30 combat loaded in the AR-15 and I'm good.
In fact, if I was inclined to I now go with an entire new AR-15, spend yet another $1500, with the optics platform, the scope/laser dot, maybe a light, forearm, bipod, and folding stock and all that modern S$%%^^ that some people here have a FETISH OVER.
I mean this exact rifle I have is the same one the US Army used from 1964 to the early 1980's after all. In the hands of a trained soldier like moi, it will do just fine.
I bought an exact copy/clone of the M-16 I was issued in training at Fort Leonard Wood, back in August of 1973. It does what it does, and nothing more. Further, well the standard combat load for an AR-15 M-16 is 400 5.56mm or 223 in 20 mags. Right now I have TEN STANDARD METAL 20 ROUND MAGS, IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE FROM THE VIETNAM ERA AND ONE MODERN 30 ROUND ONE THAT CAME WITH THE AR-15. Sorry, but that is 230 combat rounds fully loaded in 11 mags, and that is a lot of combat firepower on hand. The bottom line here is I will be DEAD, DEAD, DEAD, before I empty all 11 of them.
Now after spending more time than I cared to, looking online for M-16 carry pouches, etc and failing miserably to find any in stock, or have them take my One Vanilla Visa card, I have given up.
So, as of right now I have ONE Vietnam Era M-16 carry pouch that holds 3 20 round mags. It has two grenade loops, and no grenades, or full auto so I'm good with it. Next, I have, no shit sherlock, a Chinese Communist shoulder pouch that I picked up SOMEWHERE, SOMEHOW IN MY PORTLAND WANDERINGS.
It is a shoulder type carry bag, that I kid you not has a 60's era picture of Mao in his little hat he wore when he was out culturally revoltionizing piles of corpses.
In it, I put 7 20 round mags, plus 140 rounds, plus 60 rounds for a total of 200 rounds. Now this kind of simple carry bag will save me the price of 3 modern triple carry pouches that are damn near unfindable, and will cost $50 plus. So, I am going to stick to Comrade Mao's bag, the M-16 pouch with the 3 20 round, and the 30 combat loaded in the AR-15 and I'm good.
In fact, if I was inclined to I now go with an entire new AR-15, spend yet another $1500, with the optics platform, the scope/laser dot, maybe a light, forearm, bipod, and folding stock and all that modern S$%%^^ that some people here have a FETISH OVER.
I mean this exact rifle I have is the same one the US Army used from 1964 to the early 1980's after all. In the hands of a trained soldier like moi, it will do just fine.
Doomer Doug
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Now Doomer Doug will sit back and watch the whining begin. It will even be better than is the 9mm better than the 45ACP? 
Now Doomer Doug will sit back and watch the whining begin. It will even be better than is the 9mm better than the 45ACP?
OH?
Are you shopping for a sidearm now?
I think you might get a little input on that one too.
Doomer Doug
TB Fanatic
Um, duh ya think?
Doug, I still say put a Franklin Armory binary trigger group in it. That gives you back (legal) select fire.
ArisenCarcass
Veteran Member
Okay, maybe I am failing to make clear my "vision" for what I want. First, I be 66 years old, gang so none of this Rambo storming the ramparts stuff. I mean seriously?
I bought an exact copy/clone of the M-16 I was issued in training at Fort Leonard Wood, back in August of 1973. It does what it does, and nothing more. Further, well the standard combat load for an AR-15 M-16 is 400 5.56mm or 223 in 20 mags. Right now I have TEN STANDARD METAL 20 ROUND MAGS, IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE FROM THE VIETNAM ERA AND ONE MODERN 30 ROUND ONE THAT CAME WITH THE AR-15. Sorry, but that is 230 combat rounds fully loaded in 11 mags, and that is a lot of combat firepower on hand. The bottom line here is I will be DEAD, DEAD, DEAD, before I empty all 11 of them.
Now after spending more time than I cared to, looking online for M-16 carry pouches, etc and failing miserably to find any in stock, or have them take my One Vanilla Visa card, I have given up.
So, as of right now I have ONE Vietnam Era M-16 carry pouch that holds 3 20 round mags. It has two grenade loops, and no grenades, or full auto so I'm good with it. Next, I have, no shit sherlock, a Chinese Communist shoulder pouch that I picked up SOMEWHERE, SOMEHOW IN MY PORTLAND WANDERINGS.
It is a shoulder type carry bag, that I kid you not has a 60's era picture of Mao in his little hat he wore when he was out culturally revoltionizing piles of corpses.
In it, I put 7 20 round mags, plus 140 rounds, plus 60 rounds for a total of 200 rounds. Now this kind of simple carry bag will save me the price of 3 modern triple carry pouches that are damn near unfindable, and will cost $50 plus. So, I am going to stick to Comrade Mao's bag, the M-16 pouch with the 3 20 round, and the 30 combat loaded in the AR-15 and I'm good.
In fact, if I was inclined to I now go with an entire new AR-15, spend yet another $1500, with the optics platform, the scope/laser dot, maybe a light, forearm, bipod, and folding stock and all that modern S$%%^^ that some people here have a FETISH OVER.
I mean this exact rifle I have is the same one the US Army used from 1964 to the early 1980's after all. In the hands of a trained soldier like moi, it will do just fine.
Standard loadout was (as of a few years ago) 7x 30 round mags = 210 rounds Minimum.
230 is just above the current loadout for line troops.
Many of the tier 1 guys kicking doors only carry 3 + one in the gun (120 rounds), to move fast. But they shoot REALLY WELL.
EMICT
Veteran Member
I really, really, really wish you hadn't posted this. It's kind of like the 'If you give a mouse a cookie' book.
If you purchase a binary trigger, he'll probably install it in his carbine. If he installs the trigger in his carbine, he'll be half way to a lower parts kit with the extra trigger, hammer and springs. If he has these "extra parts" he will probably want another stripped lower. If he get's a stripped lower, he'll probably want to build an ar pistol. If he builds an ar pistol lower, he'll probably want a forearm brace. If he get's a forearm brace, he'll probably need an H2 buffer, spring and tube. If he completes the pistol lower, he'll need a pistol upper. He really wants an 8.5" upper but PSA was sold out, so he'll probably settle on a 10.5" upper. Once he purchases the 10.5" upper, PSA will magically restock the 8.5" upper the next day for $20 more than he spent on the 10.5" upper. If he decides to get the 8.5" upper with pistol gas system, he'll probably need an H3 buffer. Once he assembles the 8.5" ar pistol, he'll still have the 10.5" upper with no lower so he'll probably have to eventually purchase another stripped lower with parts kit. If he purchases another stripped lower and parts kit, he'll probably want to purchase a binary trigger.
Thanks Dennis
Doomer Doug
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They ended the draft in January of 1973. If Vietnam had still been going on I would have been drafted since I turned 19 on January 9th, 73. I joined in July, crazy ass volunteer. My combat unit was made up about 40 percent draftees from September of 1972. They all were flown out from Graffenwohr right after they finished firing the M-60 tanks because they all deros on 9-15-74.
I was literally in the VOLAR for 1973 and then draftee army for 74, then volar again. I had one seriously strange post Vietnam tour.
Doughboy42
Veteran Member
Dang, I hate it when that happens.Oh look- I found a stray takedown pin retaining pin. Now I have to build another AR!
rbt
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i took this advice am happy have to hurry not many left at decent price, 4 days ship to here classicfirearms.com
Would you want to sell some 20 rounders?
Shooter
Veteran Member
those door kickers as you call them, have imadiate resupply and can radio for more help, most of us are alone or in small groups, what you carry is what you have,
standard load out for 1971-72, was 13 30 rnds mags, 4 pouches with 3 30 rnd mags in each and one in the rifle, PLUS, at least 2 extra bandoleers of ammo, 140 rnds each. plus most carried a 100 rnd belt of 7,62 for the M-60,
NoDandy
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Doug, you might want to look at this site:Okay, maybe I am failing to make clear my "vision" for what I want. First, I be 66 years old, gang so none of this Rambo storming the ramparts stuff. I mean seriously?
I bought an exact copy/clone of the M-16 I was issued in training at Fort Leonard Wood, back in August of 1973. It does what it does, and nothing more. Further, well the standard combat load for an AR-15 M-16 is 400 5.56mm or 223 in 20 mags. Right now I have TEN STANDARD METAL 20 ROUND MAGS, IN PRETTY GOOD SHAPE FROM THE VIETNAM ERA AND ONE MODERN 30 ROUND ONE THAT CAME WITH THE AR-15. Sorry, but that is 230 combat rounds fully loaded in 11 mags, and that is a lot of combat firepower on hand. The bottom line here is I will be DEAD, DEAD, DEAD, before I empty all 11 of them.
Now after spending more time than I cared to, looking online for M-16 carry pouches, etc and failing miserably to find any in stock, or have them take my One Vanilla Visa card, I have given up.
So, as of right now I have ONE Vietnam Era M-16 carry pouch that holds 3 20 round mags. It has two grenade loops, and no grenades, or full auto so I'm good with it. Next, I have, no shit sherlock, a Chinese Communist shoulder pouch that I picked up SOMEWHERE, SOMEHOW IN MY PORTLAND WANDERINGS.
It is a shoulder type carry bag, that I kid you not has a 60's era picture of Mao in his little hat he wore when he was out culturally revoltionizing piles of corpses.
In it, I put 7 20 round mags, plus 140 rounds, plus 60 rounds for a total of 200 rounds. Now this kind of simple carry bag will save me the price of 3 modern triple carry pouches that are damn near unfindable, and will cost $50 plus. So, I am going to stick to Comrade Mao's bag, the M-16 pouch with the 3 20 round, and the 30 combat loaded in the AR-15 and I'm good.
In fact, if I was inclined to I now go with an entire new AR-15, spend yet another $1500, with the optics platform, the scope/laser dot, maybe a light, forearm, bipod, and folding stock and all that modern S$%%^^ that some people here have a FETISH OVER.
I mean this exact rifle I have is the same one the US Army used from 1964 to the early 1980's after all. In the hands of a trained soldier like moi, it will do just fine.
Magazine Pouches: galatiinternational.com
Regards
Doomer Doug
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I have bought 7 30 round Magpul since then, the load is 210, plus 200, which is 410. I also have 200 more 223 and 5.56mm 55 grain Ltap? rounds for a total of 640. Can't seem to find more.
Everybody keeps saying they had 30 round mags back in 1973, but I never saw one. Not a single one. I shot
20 round metal mags and that was it.
Everybody keeps saying they had 30 round mags back in 1973, but I never saw one. Not a single one. I shot
20 round metal mags and that was it.30s were juuuuuust barely coming into service when the war in Vietnam ended. I bought two cases of surplused 20s in the 75/76 time frame when they were cleared out. Some of 'em are still around here ... somewhere.
www.tactical-life.com
Feeding Frenzy: Charting the History of AR Magazines
For more than half a century, some variation of the M16 has accompanied American military personnel on their missions around
www.tactical-life.com
Doc1
Has No Life - Lives on TB
People go waaaay overboard with all of the tacticool crap on their rifles. I have several ARs, but my favorite - and the one I keep next to the bed - is a bone stock, older, Bushmaster with .mil peep sights. Very accurate and very reliable. Yes, some of my other rifles have optics or are fitted out for different tasks, but as a basic combat tool, the Bushmaster is fine. Of course I have gone through it and tested it extensively for accuracy and function. Guys who live in cities don't have the luxury of function testing without a trip to the range and even then, a lot of ranges don't allow field stripping or parts changing. My range is my backyard.
Most mid-priced ARs are perfectly good, serviceable rifles and too many people lose sleep thinking that they need to buy some $2500 custom iron to be safe and reliable. 'Tis not true. Get a good basic rifle and quality mags and you'll be fine. Spend the extra on ammo and training.
Best
Doc
Most mid-priced ARs are perfectly good, serviceable rifles and too many people lose sleep thinking that they need to buy some $2500 custom iron to be safe and reliable. 'Tis not true. Get a good basic rifle and quality mags and you'll be fine. Spend the extra on ammo and training.
Best
Doc