OT/MISC Germans Are Going Wild for a Show Set During the Dawn of the Nazis

[Housecarl]

Hummm....Actually sounds like a good show premise considering everything that was going on under the Weimar....Anyone here ever seen "M" with Peter Lorre or the 1951 US remake?

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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ones-beats-sky-s-new-show-on-berlin-sex-crime

Germans Are Going Wild for a Show Set During the Dawn of the Nazis

By Stefan Nicola
October 19, 2017, 3:20 AM PDT

Sex, crime and Nazis in 1920s Berlin are drawing more viewers at Sky Plc’s German unit than any show except “Game of Thrones.”

A total of 1.2 million people watched the first episode of “Babylon Berlin” on TV or online six days after it first aired, Sky Deutschland said Thursday. The Sky-produced show follows a Berlin detective as he maneuvers dingy cabarets, communist street fights and prostitution rings in the German capital in the years before Adolf Hitler rose to power.

“Only ‘Game of Thrones’ started better because of its large fan base,” Elke Walthelm, executive vice president of content at Sky Deutschland, said in a statement.

Sky is trying to reduce churn and attract new customers with exclusive shows like “Babylon Berlin,” which premiered on Oct. 13 and will run for two seasons of eight episodes each. Produced by Sky and German broadcaster ARD and directed by Tom Tykwer, creator of the 1998 hit film “Run Lola Run,” it’s the most expensive TV show ever made in Germany. Netflix Inc. bought the U.S. broadcast rights for the show.

 

[Dennis Olson]

Hamilton?

 

[SquonkHunter]

Berlin was an extremely decadent city in the Roaring Twenties. Everything, and I mean EVERYTHING was practiced freely and openly. The "modern" attitude there was in a large part responsible for the Nazi backlash in the 1930s. Many of the early Nazis were also pervs but they kept it quiet for the most part. The "flamers", such as Ernst Röhm, were purged in the Night of the Long Knives in 1934.

 

[SageRock]

I've seen the movie "M" with Peter Lorre -- a very excellent though very dark film. Recommended. Would like to say more but don't want to create spoilers for those who haven't seen it.

The silent film "The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari" made around 1921 is also an interesting precursor film for the social mood of the day. Excellent, highly recommended. Again, rather dark.

 

[AlfaMan]

Germany during the Weimar republic makes San Francisco look like Salt Lake City. Berlin was off the hook with a capitol H during that time.

Both films you mention are excellent. M was awesome-great acting in that movie.
The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari is beyond dark-quite thought provoking actually. Glad they found the missing pieces to the film and finally put it together.

I've seen the movie "M" with Peter Lorre -- a very excellent though very dark film. Recommended. Would like to say more but don't want to create spoilers for those who haven't seen it.

The silent film "The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari" made around 1921 is also an interesting precursor film for the social mood of the day. Excellent, highly recommended. Again, rather dark.

 

[packyderms_wife]

Berlin was an extremely decadent city in the Roaring Twenties. Everything, and I mean EVERYTHING was practiced freely and openly. The "modern" attitude there was in a large part responsible for the Nazi backlash in the 1930s. Many of the early Nazis were also pervs but they kept it quiet for the most part. The "flamers", such as Ernst Röhm, were purged in the Night of the Long Knives in 1934.

I've mentioned this more than once here over the years. It was pretty decadent in London, Paris, and parts of Holland, etc. And then there was the decadence here in the states, Cuba, Brazil, etc. And then everything went to hell in a hand basket and PDQ.

 

[Housecarl]

I've mentioned this more than once here over the years. It was pretty decadent in London, Paris, and parts of Holland, etc. And then there was the decadence here in the states, Cuba, Brazil, etc. And then everything went to hell in a hand basket and PDQ.

It can be argued that the decadence was always there, just kept discrete. The aftermath of the First World War pretty much pulled the curtain down and it took off around the world from there.

 

[naturallysweet]

Pre original sin, when if was OK to be German.

 

[vestige]

Sky is trying to reduce churn

What do it mean?

 

[packyderms_wife]

It can be argued that the decadence was always there, just kept discrete. The aftermath of the First World War pretty much pulled the curtain down and it took off around the world from there.

I've heard a lot of nasty stuff about Morocco, Algeria, etc., and all of the homosexual prostitution that was going on at that time. A lot of famous writers and musicians would go there to get their jollies off. Anthony Bourdain did a show about that era and those places. Of course this was before islam became the dominant religion. Now it's all back in the closet, but it's still there.

 

[night driver]

"Churn" is when you add and lose customers by the hundreds.....

 

[China Connection]

Reeperbahn, Hamburg
Photo Credit: Martin Abegglen

Photo Credit: Martin Abegglen

Having been, er, "dragged" through both De Wallen and Hamburg’s Reeperbahn, we can attest that the German city takes the award for sleaziness. From the "No women allowed" signs on the raucous Herbertstraße to the plentiful strip clubs and sex theaters that fill Europe’s largest Red Light District, the Reeperbahn has to be seen to be believed. And it was thanks to all that seeing and not enough buying on its nefarious side streets that the signs prohibiting women and minors from entering were initially erected (for want of a better word).

Besides sleaze, Reeperbahn also happens to be the center of Hamburg’s nightlife, which makes it some kind of drunken paradise for many. At the very least, a weekend spent exploring Reeperbahn is certainly an experience you won't forget in a hurry.

Hip and upscale, The Madison Hamburg puts you within close walking distance of St. Pauli and Reeperbahn with its great location near the city’s port promenade.

https://www.oyster.com/articles/504...cts-in-europe-are-not-for-the-faint-of-heart/

 

[Ragnarok]

I've heard a lot of nasty stuff about Morocco, Algeria, etc., and all of the homosexual prostitution that was going on at that time. A lot of famous writers and musicians would go there to get their jollies off. Anthony Bourdain did a show about that era and those places. Of course this was before islam became the dominant religion. Now it's all back in the closet, but it's still there.

 

[jed turtle]

So there Is A reason for europe’s decline and judgement via Muslim invasion...

 

[Melodi]

I was just in Berlin, it isn't nearly as exciting these days; or at least it isn't if you are staying with a regular family in their very clean but tiny apartment with their 10 year old who is allowed to cycle to the playground by herself (with parental permission) and had a lovely home cooked meal of cabbage and hamburger and choice of bread with homemade jam.

I traveled all over Northern Germany and can say there are still picture perfect towns and alpine villages, lovely hiking areas, and well-maintained parks and museums.

The former East German Young Pioneer Camp where our conference was held was breathtaking for scenery but rather primitive in the plumbing but also clean and acceptable; the food was boring but real (real fruit, real vegetables but with a lot of sausages and cheese).

We saw few really severely overweight people like you see in the US (and increasingly in Ireland) though many older people did look "well fed" or at least like they enjoyed their good local variety of beer.

As for TV, we couldn't find much that we understood (the Americans and Brits in the group) but a lot of it seemed to be US TV shows dubbed in German; many people were too busy to watch much TV anyway, though like the US and Ireland smartphones were everywhere.

The Old Berlin airport is the "best of Soviet Era" architecture, but I didn't see anyone walking around that looked like the photos from pre-war Berlin, I'm sure there are some at night in various clubs and the like, but that is true of most of the western world.

The TV show does sound interesting, I hope Sky UK does a dubbed or translated version so I can watch it ...

 

[Faroe]

Glad to learn Germany isn't yet totally ruined. Maybe there is still a bit of time.

Aside from the decadence, I expect the show's popularity is mostly nostalgia - getting back to a time when Germans could be Germans, and no one was telling Europeans they needed to feel guilty for everything.

 

[Melodi]

Glad to learn Germany isn't yet totally ruined. Maybe there is still a bit of time.

Aside from the decadence, I expect the show's popularity is mostly nostalgia - getting back to a time when Germans could be Germans, and no one was telling Europeans they needed to feel guilty for everything.

That is a very astute observation and I think you are correct, especially the younger generation see no reason to have guilt over what their great-grandparents; it is now possible to be a young German and never even personally know someone who fought in the war or if they do it is an aged relative they only know as a sweet old great-uncle or great-aunt probably in a nursing home.

There is another factor we already saw happening 15 or more years ago on a visit to Germany and that is that one thing not talked about much is the fact that the East Germans never got the "guilt memo." While West Germans had it pounded into them with a fist the size of the Starship Enterprise that they were all "horrible and deserved punishment and to pay for war crimes for at least five generations" - I am not making this up that is about how long the official payments are supposed to last (but I don't think they will); the East Germans were doing their best to survive in a Soviet Style economy.

Their school system didn't pound guilt into them and neither did their political leaders; most people just showed up to their assigned job, hoped someday to afford a Yugo and lived in their assigned apartment or home; if they were political at all it didn't involve World War Two to any great degree (other than remembering their local war heroes).

My husband who lived in Germany at age 16 (during the 80's) as an exchange student and before the Wall fell predicted this problem was going to rise from the ashes as soon as he realized reunification was really going to occur (rather than having a permanent East and West Germany even if the East was no long officially Communist).

I think there is a rising tide of people wanting to be "free to be German Again" and how to do that in a non-racist and inclusive manner was one of the themes of the conference I attended; no one quite put it into words but it echoed a pastor's wife who told me 15 years ago "We are only allowed to celebrate our Celtic Heritage, never our Germanic Past; we are even forbidden to practice the old folk dances, as they are considered too German for us."

When I heard that and the dismay in her voice, I knew someday there would be a backlash; I just hope it stays level headed and positive rather than bringing back the nasty stuff along that unfortunately came to be associated with some of it.

 

[homepark]

I recall flying into Frankfurt in the early 80's. There was a sex shop/massage parlor in the airport. It did make me do a double-take. Just to be sure, a friend of mine was waiting for me at the airport so I asked her if the shop was what I thought it was. She affirmed my suspicions.

 

[von Koehler]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HscnKkbcUmg

6:39 minutes

This also applies to America.

FA

 

[Ragnarok]

Glad to learn Germany isn't yet totally ruined. Maybe there is still a bit of time.

No... Their time is over ( and I say that with great sadness ).

In 2015 the fertility rate in Germany was 1.5 children per woman – 56 newborns per 1,000 women more than in the previous year. The last time authorities recorded a similar rate was in 1982.

No country in the world has had as prolonged a period of sub-1.5 fertility rates as Germany – a trend that dates back to 1975 in the former west of the country.

The fertility rates are rising, again, in Germany but that is not a sign for optimism. The rising rates are due to the births among the Islamic immigrants that are saturating the land. It is a replacement population and the native Germans just plod along to their demise.