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France Accuses "Backstabbing" Biden Of Being 'Worse Than Trump' As UK-Aussie Defense Pact Sinks Sub Deal
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BY TYLER DURDEN
THURSDAY, SEP 16, 2021 - 07:03 AM
As it turns out, while President Biden was celebrating yesterday's "historic" security pact between the US, UK and Australia to establish a "partnership" that will help furnish Canberra with US nuclear submarine technology, one American ally was sulking in defeat.

Back in 2016, Australia had signed $40 billion contract with France's Naval Group to build a new submarine fleet to replace the Aussie's aging fleet of Collins subs. But apparently, the new deal with the US and UK makes this deal unnecessary (since Australia will now be getting its subs from the US, not France), essentially stealing a major $40 billion deal out of the mouth of the French defense industry.

I had not seen this posted yet, but we now have the other side of the deal being told.

 

[Macgyver]

Yeah there's a lot of information out there about the failing to build those submarines I believe and cost over runs and blah blah blah blah. Might need to look that one up.

 

[WalknTrot]

This one had me rolling in the aisles...during my first cup of coffee.
Was just going to bring it over. Here's the complete copy.

Miffed Frenchmen. A life's-goal. I'm almost willing to give Biden kudo's..except that he probably sleepwalked into it, and doesn't grok the humor.



France Accuses "Backstabbing" Biden Of Being 'Worse Than Trump' As UK-Aussie Defense Pact Sinks Sub Deal

BY TYLER DURDEN
THURSDAY, SEP 16, 2021 - 07:03 AM
France Accuses "Backstabbing" Biden Of Being 'Worse Than Trump' As UK-Aussie Defense Pact Sinks Sub Deal | ZeroHedge


As it turns out, while President Biden was celebrating yesterday's "historic" security pact between the US, UK and Australia to establish a "partnership" that will help furnish Canberra with US nuclear submarine technology, one American ally was sulking in defeat.

Back in 2016, Australia had signed $40 billion contract with France's Naval Group to build a new submarine fleet to replace the Aussie's aging fleet of Collins subs.

But apparently, the new deal with the US and UK makes this deal unnecessary (since Australia will now be getting its subs from the US, not France), essentially stealing a major $40 billion deal out of the mouth of the French defense industry.



Understandably, France wasn't pleased. And in his first comments on the deal, French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian told franceinfo radio that President Biden had just pulled a "Trump-like" double-cross against a major American ally - all while claiming to be "rebuilding" America's ties with its European allies, which (according to Biden and the Democrats) had been hopelessly damaged by President Trump's demand that Europe simply pay its fair share for its defense.

"This brutal, unilateral and unpredictable decision reminds me a lot of what Mr Trump used to do," Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian told franceinfo radio. "I am angry and bitter. This isn't done between allies."

"It's a stab in the back. We created a relationship of trust with Australia and that trust has been broken," Le Drian said.

Just two weeks ago, the Australian defense and foreign ministers had reconfirmed the sub deal with France, and French President Emmanuel Macron even went so far as to publicly celebrate decades of future cooperation when hosting Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison in June. Now, especially in the eyes of his own defense industry, he is being left with egg on his face.

President Trump had a famously hot-cold relationship with French President Emmanuel Maron. But after this, diplomats who opted to remain anonymous are telling Reuters that the latest deal could further damage the US relationship with France, potentially leaving it at its most frosty point since the "freedom fries" backlash during the beginning of the war in Iraq.

Already, the French are playing damage control with French Defense Minister Florence Parly holding a news conference thursday to say that "we will make sure ti limit the consequences" of Australia's contract breach. "We will defend our interests," he added.

Unfortunately for France, the embarrassment doesn't stop at the submarines. France is preparing to take the EU's rotating presidency, and as such has been playing a major role in negotiating a security pact with the Aussies. Now, it's not even clear if that will be neccessary.

Meanwhile, confronted with France's displeasure, President Biden has awkwardly pledged to continue working "closely" with France as a "key partner" in the Indo-Pacific.

We can almost hear the transatlantic ties straining.


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[db cooper]

Normally I'd make a snide comment like: "The French have advanced technology on their subs such as ultra fast white flag waiving technology". But considering how our Afghan adventure taught the Taliban a lesson, I no longer think it's appropriate.

 

[Meadowlark]

The ironic part is that Australia would likely be better off with the more silent diesel electric boats. The US navy historically has had a devil of a time tracking the almost invisible diesel electric boats in training exercises with Nato allies.

 

[Zagdid]

Maybe the Egypt would like some (French) subs to go with their (French) Mital.

 

[Nowski]

The ironic part is that Australia would likely be better off with the more silent diesel electric boats. The US navy historically has had a devil of a time tracking the almost invisible diesel electric boats in training exercises with Nato allies.

The newest Russian diesel electric boats, are the quietest. They basically cannot
be found, with current submarine detection technologies, and even their newest
nuclear boats, are on par with anything that we have.

Please be safe everyone.

Regards to all.

Nowski

 

[db cooper]

The newest Russian diesel electric boats, are the quietest. They basically cannot
be found, with current submarine detection technologies, and even their newest
nuclear boats, are on par with anything that we have.

I've read this before sometime back, and believe it.

My new thinking on the subject is related to this sharing nuke sub's with the Aussies. One of my first thoughts were that the Afghan adventure is over. Something needs to come alive to keep military/industrial complex afloat with lotsa money. What a better way to do this than be selling subs.

Back to your comment, I imagine a diesel sub costs a fraction of a nuke one, thus the reason to keep up our fleet with nukes, simply because there is more cash involved. No one of these cretins gives a rats ass if a ship gets sunk by the Russian diesels any more than they care about Americans stranded in Afghanistan or Americans dying from the fake-cine.

 

[Scrapman]

Trump made nato members pay there share and that was the double cross. These assholes are delusional. They can go suck a bag of dicks.

 

[db cooper]

Trump made nato members pay there share and that was the double cross.

To do anything fair to the American people, such as have allies pay their fair share, is a double cross to western cultures leftist elites.

I keep making comments like this over the bitterness in me that evolved ever since the chink biowarefare hit us. We've gone steadily downhill with major leaps and bounds ever since. I just do not see this destruction stopping on its own.

I'm always wondering: "What's next?" At least our level of fear is not as bad as the stranded Americans in Afghanistan, their wondering what's next is probably on the order of a beheading, stoning or burning alive.

 

[IceWave]

What's the typical range of a diesel-electric sub vs nuclear?
I get the whole "ultra quiet" hide-n-seek aspect of d-e, but how long can the sucker stay submerged?

 

[Cacheman]

As butthurt French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian is about Trump I almost wonder if Trump put together this sub deal while he was in office?

 

[Housecarl]

What's the typical range of a diesel-electric sub vs nuclear?
I get the whole "ultra quiet" hide-n-seek aspect of d-e, but how long can the sucker stay submerged?

Range on an SSN is a factor of food and crew stamina while an SSK has a hard limit set by fuel load.

 

[db cooper]

Range on an SSN is a factor of food and crew stamina while an SSK has a hard limit set by fuel load.

The diesel-electrics may have a limit set by fuel load, but I believe technology is such today where their range is considerably longer than the WWII days and their ability to regenerate oxygen as well. A combination of being able to make more SSK's per dollar and being harder to detect would certainly make their existence in our Navy worthwhile.

A good mix of both would be ideal, especially if resupplying underwater with a nuke could be feasible, if not already being done by the Ruskies.

 

[Sacajawea]

Since when has DoD & the MIC been interested in good ideas?

 

[Sentinel]

The newest Russian diesel electric boats, are the quietest. They basically cannot
be found, with current submarine detection technologies, and even their newest
nuclear boats, are on par with anything that we have.

Please be safe everyone.

Regards to all.

Nowski

If what they claim is the truth.

 

[Sentinel]

Trump made nato members pay there share and that was the double cross. These assholes are delusional. They can go suck a bag of dicks.

I wouldn't put it exactly like that, but 100% agree with the general idea.

 

[Pat Hogen]

Something needs to come alive to keep military/industrial complex afloat with lotsa money. What a better way to do this than be selling subs.

That's the key! America is a bank and the rest of the world is supposed to be depositors.

This is pay and wait. These submarines are not due for completion until the 2030s, meanwhile, Australia is providing the US with strategic assistance, as in, "As a result of the pact, more US warplanes of all types, including bombers, will come to Australia, along with a larger presence of maintenance crews and military logistics personnel." - source, More US bombers heading for Australia under defence pact

 

[Griz3752]

I've read this before sometime back, and believe it.

My new thinking on the subject is related to this sharing nuke sub's with the Aussies. Bullseye 1 One of my first thoughts were that the Afghan adventure is over. Bullseye 1 Something needs to come alive to keep military/industrial complex afloat with lotsa money. What a better way to do this than be selling subs.

Back to your comment, Bullseye 2 I imagine a diesel sub costs a fraction of a nuke one, thus the reason to keep up our fleet with nukes, simply because there is more cash involved. Bullseye 2 No one of these cretins gives a rats ass if a ship gets sunk by the Russian diesels any more than they care about Americans stranded in Afghanistan or Americans dying from the fake-cine.

Bullseyes

 

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[Griz3752]

Scrapman said: Trump made nato members pay there share and that was the double cross. These assholes are delusional. They can go suck a bag of dicks.

Sentinel said: I wouldn't put it exactly like that, but 100% agree with the general idea.

Much of the world has enjoyed the cape of US Military protection plus an economic boost, courtesy of locals being employed and Americans spending in that local economy. All this, with no where equal participation in the costs or risks of the protection.
Until DJT raised the issue, the vast majority of NATO was well short of agreed-upon annual defense expenditures.
In this instance, AUS will recognise some of those local economic benefits but this is a more equitable deal for the US.
Another Plus: If it comes to a fight, I think the US is probably much better off w/ Aussies on the flank then an 'Ally' whose best Military unit is Légion étrangère.

JMO but I've always wondered about the lack, relatively speaking, of WWII or later French MilSurp anything, let alone weaponry. There's probably more Canadian MilSurp from French Canadian units.

Just saying

 

[summer-texan]

First of all, screw the french.
second, why would Australia want to buy old diesel technology.
Now they can buy nuke subs from us.
Dang, it's the only think old joe has done that's good for the U.S.
Someone must have slipped him a micky.
Start working on the subs before old joe realizes he helped the U.S. and changes his mind.

 

[Illini Warrior]

Trump made nato members pay there share and that was the double cross. These assholes are delusional. They can go suck a bag of dicks.

Prez Trump still mentions the stupidity of defending against an enemy that has your fuel supply at its grasp >> WW3 almost started with the Ruskies closing off Berlin - can you imagine the blackmail & coercion possible with winter heating cut-off???

 

[Illini Warrior]

First of all, screw the french.
second, why would Australia want to buy old diesel technology.
Now they can buy nuke subs from us.
Dang, it's the only think old joe has done that's good for the U.S.
Someone must have slipped him a micky.
Start working on the subs before old joe realizes he helped the U.S. and changes his mind.

plenty of talk about a path of sub technology to the Chinese >> that makes TOTAL sense for the Biden Crime Family - I wouldn't be too surprised if General Milley is loading up a briefcase for Hunter already ...

as for the French - there's no bigger double-dealers on the planet >>> the entire time the World was trying to deal with Saddam - American being held captive and US Military lives in jeopardy and being sacrificed >> the French were shipping in weapons & technology for Saddam's oil $$$ - the conceited French didn't end with deGaulle ...

 

[Lilbitsnana]

via FOX your world with Neil Cavuto

France recalled it's ambassadors from the US and Australia (sure I heard them say the UK too; must have dreamed the UK part, not finding anything)

found an article elsewhere:
France recalls its ambassadors to the US and Australia over new national security partnership


By Jim Acosta and Kylie Atwood, CNN

Updated 4:22 PM ET, Fri September 17, 2021


CNN)The French government has immediately recalled its ambassador to the US for consultation in response to the recently announced national security partnership with the United Kingdom and Australia, a French official told CNN.
Philippe Étienne, the French ambassador to the US, confirmed the news when reached for comment.
The French ambassador to Australia was also recalled, the official said. It's believed to be the first time the French have resorted to such a move in modern times, the official added.
The New York Times was first to report the news of the recalls.


This is a breaking story and will be updated.

France recalls its ambassadors to the US and Australia over new national security partnership

The French government has immediately recalled its ambassadors to the US and Australia for consultation in response to America's recently announced national security partnership with the United Kingdom and Australia.

www.cnn.com

 

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France Accuses "Backstabbing" Biden Of Being 'Worse Than Trump' As UK-Aussie Defense Pact Sinks Sub Deal
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BY TYLER DURDEN
THURSDAY, SEP 16, 2021 - 07:03 AM
As it turns out, while President Biden was celebrating yesterday's "historic" security pact between the US, UK and Australia to establish a "partnership" that will help furnish Canberra with US nuclear submarine technology, one American ally was sulking in defeat.

Back in 2016, Australia had signed $40 billion contract with France's Naval Group to build a new submarine fleet to replace the Aussie's aging fleet of Collins subs. But apparently, the new deal with the US and UK makes this deal unnecessary (since Australia will now be getting its subs from the US, not France), essentially stealing a major $40 billion deal out of the mouth of the French defense industry.

I had not seen this posted yet, but we now have the other side of the deal being told.

I have heard that the contract was way behind schedule, that is reason enough to cancel a contract.