POL Fox News: Ryan's speech is Dazzling, Deceiving, and Distracting

Mudkip

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Paul Ryan’s speech in 3 words
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1. Dazzling

At least a quarter of Americans still don’t know who Paul Ryan is, and only about half who know and have an opinion of him view him favorably.

So, Ryan’s primary job tonight was to introduce himself and make himself seem likeable, and he did that well. The personal parts of the speech were very personally delivered, especially the touching parts where Ryan talked about his father and mother and their roles in his life. And at the end of the speech, when Ryan cheered the crowd to its feet, he showed an energy and enthusiasm that’s what voters want in leaders and what Republicans have been desperately lacking in this campaign.

To anyone watching Ryan’s speech who hasn’t been paying much attention to the ins and outs and accusations of the campaign, I suspect Ryan came across as a smart, passionate and all-around nice guy — the sort of guy you can imagine having a friendly chat with while watching your kids play soccer together. And for a lot of voters, what matters isn’t what candidates have done or what they promise to do —it’s personality. On this measure, Mitt Romney has been catastrophically struggling and with his speech, Ryan humanized himself and presumably by extension, the top of the ticket.

2. Deceiving

On the other hand, to anyone paying the slightest bit of attention to facts, Ryan’s speech was an apparent attempt to set the world record for the greatest number of blatant lies and misrepresentations slipped into a single political speech. On this measure, while it was Romney who ran the Olympics, Ryan earned the gold.
The good news is that the Romney-Ryan campaign has likely created dozens of new jobs among the legions of additional fact checkers that media outlets are rushing to hire to sift through the mountain of cow dung that flowed from Ryan’s mouth. Said fact checkers have already condemned certain arguments that Ryan still irresponsibly repeated.

Fact: While Ryan tried to pin the downgrade of the United States’ credit rating on spending under President Obama, the credit rating was actually downgraded because Republicans threatened not to raise the debt ceiling.

Fact: While Ryan blamed President Obama for the shut down of a GM plant in Janesville, Wisconsin, the plant was actually closed under President George W. Bush. Ryan actually asked for federal spending to save the plant, while Romney has criticized the auto industry bailout that President Obama ultimately enacted to prevent other plants from closing.

Fact: Though Ryan insisted that President Obama wants to give all the credit for private sector success to government, that isn't what the president said. Period.
Fact: Though Paul Ryan accused President Obama of taking $716 billion out of Medicare, the fact is that that amount was savings in Medicare reimbursement rates (which, incidentally, save Medicare recipients out-of-pocket costs, too) and Ryan himself embraced these savings in his budget plan.

Elections should be about competing based on your record in the past and your vision for the future, not competing to see who can get away with the most lies and distortions without voters noticing or bother to care. Both parties should hold themselves to that standard. Republicans should be ashamed that there was even one misrepresentation in Ryan’s speech but sadly, there were many.

3. Distracting

And then there’s what Ryan didn’t talk about.
Ryan didn’t mention his extremist stance on banning all abortions with no exception for rape or incest, a stance that is out of touch with 75% of American voters.

Ryan didn’t mention his previous plan to hand over Social Security to Wall Street.
Ryan didn’t mention his numerous votes to raise spending and balloon the deficit when George W. Bush was president.

Ryan didn’t mention how his budget would eviscerate programs that help the poor and raise taxes on 95% of Americans in order to cut taxes for millionaires and billionaires even further and increase — yes, increase —the deficit.
These aspects of Ryan’s resume and ideology are sticky to say the least. He would have been wise to tackle them head on and try and explain them away in his first real introduction to voters. But instead of Ryan airing his own dirty laundry, Democrats will get the chance.

At the end of his speech, Ryan quoted his dad, who used to say to him, “"Son. You have a choice: You can be part of the problem, or you can be part of the solution."
Ryan may have helped solve some of the likeability problems facing Romney, but ultimately by trying to deceive voters about basic facts and trying to distract voters from his own record, Ryan’s speech caused a much larger problem for himself and his running mate.

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Link to Article: http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2012/08/30/paul-ryans-speech-in-three-words/
 

Moto

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Sally Kohn is deluded.

http://mrctv.org/blog/fact-checking-sally-kohn
Fact Checking Sally Kohn
Stephen Gutowski
Thursday, August 30, 2012 - 4:06pm


Sally Kohn's opinion article on Paul Ryan's speech last night is making the rounds with liberals. The thinking goes that, hey, her piece was published on Fox News so it couldn't possibly be liberal and everything in it must be true. That idea is, of course, absurd but I've decided to go through and refute the "facts" she lists in her article one by one.

Her first "fact" deals with Ryan's attack on the President for presiding over the only national credit downgrade in American History:


Fact: While Ryan tried to pin the downgrade of the United States’ credit rating on spending under President Obama, the credit rating was actually downgraded because Republicans threatened not to raise the debt ceiling.

In reality S&P said they downgraded the rating because "The downgrade reflects our opinion that the fiscal consolidation plan that Congress and the Administration recently agreed to falls short of what, in our view, would be necessary to stabilize the government's medium-term debt dynamics".

Not because, as Sally Kohn says, "Republicans threatened not to raise the debt ceiling".

Her second "fact" deals with Paul Ryan's assertion that, despite then-candidate Obama's assertion that he'd keep the Janesville GM plant open for 100 years in 2008 it didn't even last through 2009:


Fact: While Ryan blamed President Obama for the shut down of a GM plant in Janesville, Wisconsin, the plant was actually closed under President George W. Bush. Ryan actually asked for federal spending to save the plant, while Romney has criticized the auto industry bailout that President Obama ultimately enacted to prevent other plants from closing.

As my post from earlier today calling out Politifact's lies explains, the Janesville GM plant continued building trucks until April 23rd, 2009. That's completely indisputable, and Sally Kohn is either lying on purpose or too lazy to look into the details.

Kohn's third "fact" isn't exactly clear but I'm guessing she's referring to Paul Ryan's attack on President Obama's now infamous "you didn't build that" speech:


Fact: Though Ryan insisted that President Obama wants to give all the credit for private sector success to government, that isn't what the president said. Period.

This statement isn't remotely one of fact. It's very obviously a statement of opinion on both what Ryan and Obama said. One that I couldn't disagree with more. Period.

Her fourth, and final, "fact" deals with Ryan's attack on how the President cut money from Medicare in order to make Obamacare's financials seem more palatable.


Fact: Though Paul Ryan accused President Obama of taking $716 billion out of Medicare, the fact is that that amount was savings in Medicare reimbursement rates (which, incidentally, save Medicare recipients out-of-pocket costs, too) and Ryan himself embraced these savings in his budget plan.

Frankly, she doesn't even appear to dispute that $716 billion is being cut from Medicare. She simply calls it "savings" and, in an obviously sloppy mistake, links to a Politifact post about welfare waivers. Heck, even the NYT post she also links to says "The 2010 health care law cut Medicare reimbursements to hospitals and insurers, not benefits for older Americans, by that amount over the coming decade" right in the second paragraph.

So, as you can see, none of the "facts" in Sally Kohn's piece are accurate. The piece can't stand on its own two legs. If this is the best the left can do at "fact checking" it should give up the pursuit altogether.
 

Mudkip

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I thought it was noteworthy because it was on foxnews. Takes all kinds, anymore and I took the bait.

This entire week of news on the RNC has been a testing ground for new strategies by the Obama admin. It would seem they are going to target religion.
 

MtnGal

Has No Life - Lives on TB
On the other hand, to anyone paying the slightest bit of attention to facts, Ryan’s speech was an apparent attempt to set the world record for the greatest number of blatant lies and misrepresentations slipped into a single political speech.

How funny, we have a president that can't tell the truth even when he tries. The media laps up O's lies like it's their last supper then turn to accuse Ryan.
 

Stardust

Veteran Member
I thought it was noteworthy because it was on foxnews. Takes all kinds, anymore and I took the bait.

This entire week of news on the RNC has been a testing ground for new strategies by the Obama admin. It would seem they are going to target religion.

While I didn't see the Fox News piece, we do watch it, a lot. Just because one sees or hears something there do not be quick to deem it Conservative or Liberal. When they tout themselves as being "Fair and Balanced" they really are. That's the one place where America can see both sides of any given argument.

Yes, there are many who detest Fox but when it comes to getting "both" sides, it's the only place to be.
 

Red Baron

Paleo-Conservative
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Sally Kohen is in full Leftist Denial Mode.

Plus the East and West Coast Leftists view anyone from the Midwest as knuckle dragging rubes.

Sally, you can get parts for your brain now, the war is over.
 

Dozdoats

On TB every waking moment
FACT #1: DEMOCRATS LIE

FACT #2: REPUBLICANS LIE

FACT #3: TRUE BELIEVERS IN EITHER PARTY BELIEVE THE LIES AND ATTACK THE OTHER PARTY

FACT #4: THE MANIPULATIONS AND MACHINIZATIONS OF THE FALSE LEFT-RIGHT PARADIGM CONTINUE UNABATED
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Fact: While Ryan blamed President Obama for the shut down of a GM plant in Janesville, Wisconsin, the plant was actually closed under President George W. Bush. Ryan actually asked for federal spending to save the plant, while Romney has criticized the auto industry bailout that President Obama ultimately enacted to prevent other plants from closing.

As my post from earlier today calling out Politifact's lies explains, the Janesville GM plant continued building trucks until April 23rd, 2009. That's completely indisputable, and Sally Kohn is either lying on purpose or too lazy to look into the details.


Uh Mr. Gutowski should remember that plants can STILL run for 2 years after they are closed...or after the ANNOUNCEMENT of their closure due to the federal regs requiring 2 yrs notice...
Though this may not be relevant here...
 

Kent

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FACT #1: DEMOCRATS LIE

FACT #2: REPUBLICANS LIE

FACT #3: TRUE BELIEVERS IN EITHER PARTY BELIEVE THE LIES AND ATTACK THE OTHER PARTY

FACT #4: THE MANIPULATIONS AND MACHINIZATIONS OF THE FALSE LEFT-RIGHT PARADIGM CONTINUE UNABATED

FACT #5: LIBERTARIANS LIE AS EVIDENCED BY THEM SAYING THEY ARE FOR ONE CANDIDATE TO GET NOMINATED AS A DELEGATE AND THEN VOTING FOR SOMEONE ELSE.
 

Mudkip

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Just because one sees or hears something there do not be quick to deem it Conservative or Liberal.

I thought it bizarre that it as on foxnews.com being that it was an obvious liberal puff piece. I would expect this on the Colbert Report, not a news channel. Despite their proposal of being fair and balanced, to me personally, they just show actual conservative pieces among the items from the mainstream media. Any tv show or news channel will never be devoid of bias. I choose not to watch tv and instead research [as best I can given the flawed nature of the internet] and draw my opinions from what I glean. I can respect that they do offer both sides, but I won't hold my breath on the chance of any news channel, or article for that matter, simply being a vehicle for information without a smidge of opinion. We are, after all, only human.
 
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