FOOD Food Shortage Discussion - Not the What or How But Why

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Food Shortages Discussion

This topic is near and dear to preppers as they usually give this topic a lot of thought. There are countless lists of what to prep for and how to prep. This OP is to give thought to one of the other questions, WHY.

I will include information about some famines and food shortages
 

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How to Prepare For the Coming Food Shortage in America ...
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Which leaves us no other choice but to survive on whatever food storage we have at home. For the wise Americans that have been quietly preparing for the coming food shortage in America, they will not have to leave their homes for months, as they are well prepared , not only for the food shortage, but also in other ways.
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Mar 26, 2020 · Protectionist measures by national governments during the coronavirus crisis could provoke food shortages around the world, the UN’s food body has warned.

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The United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization warned of global food shortages caused by measures to stem the spread of the novel coronavirus. “The worst that can happen is that governments...

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Mar 18, 2020 · The head of the nation's largest supermarket operator essentially described the current food shortages in many locations as strictly a logistics problem. The grocery chain has the items stores lack...

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Oct 31, 2019 · Not for 2020 but as part of basic preparation NOW. Most grocery stores carry a five day supply. If the food supply grid gets disrupted where you live by either a natural or man-made disaster, you should be prepared.

‘There Is Plenty of Food in the Country’ - The New York Times
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Mar 15, 2020 · “There is food being produced. There is food in warehouses,” said Julie Anna Potts, chief executive of the North American Meat Institute, a trade group for beef, pork and turkey packers and ...

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Sep 01, 2017 · THE world could be facing a food shortage in just 10 years, according to an agricultural data technology company. Gro Intelligence founder and chief executive Sara Menker says previous calculations about food supply have focused on mass and weight, not nutritional value — and this is where things become problematic.

Famine - Wikipedia
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A famine is a widespread scarcity of food, caused by several factors including war, inflation, crop failure, population imbalance, or government policies.This phenomenon is usually accompanied or followed by regional malnutrition, starvation, epidemic, and increased mortality.

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Famine - News

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The Deadliest Famines Ever
The deadliest famines in the world are all associated with large scale suffering, death, and great economic losses.

A famine occurs when there is a food crisis in a particular area, causing mass starvation. Famines have been recorded since medieval times and are associated with drought, war, or politics. Famines are particularly common during periods of armed conflicts due to limited access to food resources and crippled economic activities. Several famines in history are classified as deadly as they caused mass suffering, many deaths, and profound economic losses.

10. Rajputana famine of 1869
The Rajputana famine was felt on an area of 296,000 square miles mainly in the princely states of Rajputana, India as well as the British territory of Ajmer. A population totaling to 44,500,000 felt its reach. In 1868, the monsoon arrived later than usual and was brief and light. Some parts of Rajputana experienced water and fodder shortages as a result. Many people who emigrated in search of food and pasture died while others succumbed to an outbreak of cholera. The rainfall of 1869 was also delayed and a swarm of locusts destroyed the young crops, leading to more death. Heavy rains in September and October 1869 brought with them a malaria epidemic. The harvest of 1870 succeeded in ending the famine.

9. Russian famine of 1601–1603
The Russian famine of 1601-1603 left an estimated two million Russians dead in its wake. The famine occurred in the context of record cold winters as well as crop disruption which was linked to a volcanic eruption in 1600 in Peru. The eruption of the Huaynaputina volcano caused the atmosphere to be saturated with millions metric tons of different elements, notably sulfur dioxide. The sulfuric acid formed triggered a volcanic winter felt in various parts of the world. The famine occurred during the Time of Troubles, which was characterized by political instability in Russia which was subsequently invaded by the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. Among the impacts of the famine in Russia were social disruption and the downfall of Boris Godunov.


8. Great Persian Famine of 1870–71
A famine in Persia in 1870-1871 claimed about 1.5-2 million lives. The famine was triggered by drought, where rains failed leading to poor crop harvests and low water levels. Wheat and barley, which were Persia’s stable crops, became scarce throughout the region. The situation, in turn, pushed the prices of the food up making it prohibitively expensive. Grain dealers hoarded grain to fetch better prices and people resorted to eating dogs, grass, cats, and even other people. The famine ended with rains in 1871.

7. Famine In Java under Japanese occupation
On March 1942, the Japanese invaded and occupied the Dutch East Indies, which is modern day Indonesia, ending Dutch colonial rule in the region. The Japanese embarked on a mission to educate young Indonesians and thus created a fertile ground for Indonesian nationalism. Japanese rule in Indonesia was associated with forced labor, war crimes, torture, detention, execution, and sex slavery. An estimated four million Indonesians succumbed to starvation under the Japanese according to a UN report. Between 1944 and 1945, approximately 2.4 million people lost their lives due to famine in Java.

6. Russian famine of 1921
A severe famine in Bolshevik Russia from 1921 to 1922 claimed approximately 5 million lives. Before the famine, the country had been devastated by the First World War as well as the Civil Wars of 1918-1920. The starvation was mainly felt in the Volga and Ural Rivers areas and even caused some to resort to cannibalism. The US and Europe funded relief efforts which fed an estimated 10 million people

5. Great Bengal famine of 1770
This famine claimed an estimated 10 million in Bengal, India from 1769-1773. It began after a failed monsoon in 1769 triggered drought and poor rice harvests. Both policies of the Mughal Empire and the British East India Company were blamed for the widespread famine. The catastrophe affected the current states of West Bengal and Bihar, Jharkhand, Odisha in India and parts of Bangladesh. No relief was provided and by the end of the famine, Bengal’s population had decreased by a third.

4. Soviet famine of 1932–1933
Different estimations of the death toll during the Soviet Famine (1932-1930) have been given, ranging from three to eight million. The famine was mostly felt in the main grain-producing territories of the Soviet Union, and it caused adverse food shortage across the USSR. These regions include Kazakhstan, Ukraine, West Siberia, Northern Caucasus, and the South Urals. Holodomor is used to describe the subset of the catastrophe felt in the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic as well as the Kuban. The policies of the Soviet Union were among the causes put forward by historians to explain the famine

3. Chalisa famine
The Chalisa Famine (1783-84) claimed over 11 million lives in South Asia together with a previous famine (1782-83) in South India. The word Chalisa is derived from the Vikram Samvat calendar year 1840. The famine caused mass starvation in most parts of Northern India, particularly in the Delhi territories. It was attributed to unusual El Niño events that had commenced in 1780. The two famines are thought to have depopulated many parts of India including over 30% of the communities around Delhi and 17% of the settlements in the present-day Tamil Nadu, then known as the Sirkahzi region.

2. The Great Chinese Famine
The Great Chinese Famine in China was described as the nation’s most devastating catastrophe by the Historian Frank Dikötter. It occurred from 1959-1961, a period characterized by mass starvation. Government statistics placed the number of deaths at 15 million. However, unofficial estimates have suggested the death toll of between 20 to 43 million. Causes of the famine included radical reforms in the agricultural sector by the government, economic mismanagement, unfavorable weather conditions, and social pressure. The agricultural reforms were championed by Mao Zedong, a Marxist who was at the helm of the Chinese Communist Party. The reforms were part of the Great Leap Forward campaign, which sought to modernize the country’s economy to the standards of developed nations


1. Persian famine of 1917-1918
This famine was blamed for the death of up to one-quarter of the total population inhabiting northern Iran. The government of Iran has placed the death toll at 8-10 million which is similar to the one recorded in the American archives. The Iranian government put the famine’s blame on the British, a matter which is disputed. Mohammad Gholi Majd, a Princeton University Professor, wrote about the catastrophe in his book The Great Famine and Genocide in Persia. Majd described the famine using British and Persian sources in addition to U.S. State Department records. The West did not access a lot of information on the famine as news about the Great War was controlled by the British
 

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Stalin Food Crisis


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In 1927, the USSR faced a food shortage. This had been brought about by a poor harvest that year but Stalin became convinced that the peasants themselves were responsible for the grain shortages in the cities as a result of hoarding and keeping the market short of food thus increasing its price.

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Consumer goods in the Soviet Union were usually produced by a two-category industry. Group A was "heavy industry", which included all goods that serve as an input required for the production of some other, final good. Group B was "consumer goods", final goods used for consumption, which included food, clothing and shoes, housing, and such heavy-industry products as appliances and fuels that ...

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Soviet Food Shortages. Description. The 1980s posed many challenges for the everyday lives of the average citizens of East Europe countries, including daily difficulties created from shortages. Buying such necessities as food, clothing, and hygiene products was recurring obstacle to the average consumer. Food shortages were the result of ...
 

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Irish Potato Famine

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Jun 07, 2019 · Irish Potato Famine Ireland in the 1800s. With the ratification of the Acts of Union in 1801,... Great Hunger Begins. When the crops began to fail in 1845, as a result of P. Legacy of the Potato Famine. The exact role of the British government in... Irish Hunger Memorials. In recent years, cities ...
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Great Famine, also called Irish Potato Famine, Great Irish Famine, or Famine of 1845–49, famine that occurred in Ireland in 1845–49 when the potato crop failed in successive years. The crop failures were caused by late blight, a disease that destroys both the leaves and the edible roots, or tubers, of the potato plant.

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Great Depression

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The Great Depression started in the United States after a major fall in stock prices that began around September 4, 1929, and became worldwide news with the stock market crash of October 29, 1929, (known as Black Tuesday). Between 1929 and 1932, worldwide gross domestic product (GDP) fell by an estimated 15%.

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Sep 14, 2019 · Great Depression Foods that Helped Americans Survive Famine For the Americans, the time of the Great Depression is unforgettable. It was the nation’s most serious economic tragedy during the time of modern history.

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Malnutrition And Starvation During The Great Depression. The Great Depression was a period when American economy went through a crisis. The output of goods and services dropped for four years until 1933.

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Why Socialism Causes Shortages


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Among the most conspicuous of socialism's failings is its capacity to generate vast shortages of things essential for life. This is a universal feature of a socialist "economy," and it ...

Why Socialism Causes Shortages
if you want to want, it’s the perfect system
You can believe that socialism is wonderful, as apparently many people do, and no one will stop you. You will get plenty of support from the media and academic elite. You can rally around their Twitter handles, podcasts, and Kindle tomes.
On the other hand, the whole theoretical basis for the idea was completely smashed a century ago. From a historical perspective, every prediction that socialism would produce nothing but chaos, deprivation, poverty, suffering, and death turned out to be true. If both theory and history scream “Fail!” — and this failure affects things you claim to believe in, such as human rights and dignity — it might be time to rethink.

Among the most conspicuous of socialism’s failings is its capacity to generate vast shortages of things essential for life. This is a universal feature of a socialist “economy,” and it always has been. In Maoist China, there was no meat and no fat in which to cook anything, if you could find something to cook. In Bolshevik Russia, there were never enough cars, apartments, or even loaves of bread. Every Latin American socialist experiment produced the same. All of this was thoroughly documented in the 1997 treatise The Black Book of Communism (among thousands of other books).
And since that time, we have observed no serious change in Cuba: It’s a life of scrounging around for basics, improvising repairs, and fear of falling buildings because materials necessary for repair are unavailable, with all technology stuck in time (pre-socialism).

In Venezuela, there is no meat, medicine, flour to make hosts for Communion, or reliable electricity, and the population is reduced to barter. The same is true in North Korea — where toilet paper is scarce and matches are housewarming gifts — the experience of which is a repeat of the tremendous deprivation of every other socialist experiment. Consistent with all evidence, “famine is a disproportionately prevalent outcome of socialist systems,” writes American Enterprise Institute resident scholar Benjamin Zycher. There is no reason to think it will ever be otherwise.

There is a reason to think that many people will continue to deny that it matters. Consider the views of two London-based journalists, Alan Gignoux and Carolina Graterol, who were recently interviewed by Counterpunch. They looked at the absence of meat in Venezuela and praised the population for going vegetarian: “Mango trees are everywhere, so you can pick a mango whenever you want,” Gignoux enthused. As for the energy shortage, Graterol said, “During blackouts, people told stories, played music, or went out and talked on the streets. It was a paradise, no TVs, smartphones, but real human contact.”

Yes, they actually used the word “paradise” to describe Venezuela today. If certain leftists are unable to see why mass deprivation of food and energy is so bad, it seems hopeless that they will see cause and effect at work in small-scale instances of government intervention. After all, the entire economy doesn’t need to be socialist to achieve the effect of shortage, restriction, and deprivation.

Microsocialism that disables market signals in any sector seems mostly to produce shortages, as price controls did for gasoline in the 1970s in the U.S., as rent control has done in New York City apartments, and as development restrictions have done in Silicon Valley. Too much regulation is another path to disabling market signals, and that also creates shortages, as it has in the U.S. child-care industry. The sector is so weighed down by regulation at all levels that it no longer benefits from the abundance-creating effects of market competition. And yet people are prone to blaming the free market for the consequences of these quasi-socialistic forms of intervention.

These results of shortage and deprivation under socialism are not random. There are explanations for them. With the rights to property denied and enterprise throttled through top-down control, the essential mechanisms that make economics work are radically disabled. It is also deeply demoralizing and demotivating to slave away in an economic structure that promises good for all but personally feels like a mandated rip-off. You can’t quit your job, you can’t find another, and you can’t start something new. Your every association and decision is policed by someone who claims to know better.
If you look up what creates wealth, beautifully explained by Adam Smith, top-down coercion against person and property does not figure into the mix. But there is an even more fundamental problem, having to do with pricing. Socialism has never overcome it. It was first revealed in 1920, when Ludwig von Mises explained that rational economic planning would be impossible under socialism. Shortages are only the most conspicuous feature of a system that results in chaos and corruption.

The argument, which Kevin D. Williamson discusses at greater length elsewhere in this issue, is as follows.
Without the market forces of supply and demand (the trade that creates these forces; and private ownership of the means of production, which enables supply and demand to operate), all factories and industries will lose access to meaningful profit-and-loss accounting. Accounting signals relay information to owners about the success or failure of their enterprises. Without such accounting, there is no basis for managers of enterprises to make good decisions. You have no data on which to base your purchases, investments, production, hiring, wages, inventories, or anything else. You lose touch with the reality of the world around you. Such a system will be, quite literally, irrational and thereby subject to the whims of political elites.
This argument in 1920 — precise, relentless, decisive, and seemingly unanswerable — came as a shock to European intellectuals. F. A. Hayek reports that Mises’s point shook him from his own attachments to socialism.

What people didn’t know at the time (communication was far more limited) was that Mises’s proposition was already being proven in Russia. Three years earlier, to near-universal celebration among elite American intellectuals, the Bolsheviks had taken full control of Russia’s government and had begun to implement their vision of socialism. Supply and demand, price signals, and private ownership were out. Lenin’s first attempt to implement socialism came with full nationalization of industry, work mandates, controls on trade, pillaging of agricultural lands and produce, rationing and centralized distribution of everything, and a full ban on private enterprise.

This so-called War Communism was a comprehensive plan implemented with militarized ferocity. The results of this terror state were catastrophic. Production collapsed, falling by half. Money died and people were reduced to barter. Output for heavy industry fell to pre-revolutionary levels. The trains fell apart and stopped running. The grain harvest was half of what was needed to feed the population. And then there was famine that resulted in an estimated 3 to 10 million deaths between 1918 and 1921. That was the first comprehensive experiment in implementing socialism in a nation.

Protests and anger were palpable, and the Communist Party figured out it had a major political problem. In 1921, Vladimir Lenin reversed most of War Communism with his New Economic Policy, which permitted markets, ownership, trade, and profits. It was a temporary measure, but it saved the economy from total death, sparing millions of lives but also permitting the Communist Party to regain the control it was quickly losing. In time, the liberalization ended and the crackdowns began anew, leading to more suffering, shortage, deprivation, famine, and death.

That experience alone should have forever ended humanity’s romance with socialism. For many socialists at the time, it was proof enough; one-time socialist Max Eastman, for instance, saw the wreckage firsthand and devoted the rest of his life to defending real freedom. But the disaster was blacked out by many media partisans of the experiment, so that most people in the West, even in Europe, knew nothing about any of it. It was many decades later when the news finally got out. But now we know, as the former socialist Robert Heilbroner admitted in The New Yorker in 1989, that “Mises was right.”

So much for the purely theoretical explanation. In political reality, the ubiquity of shortage under socialism has an even more disturbing explanation. Economists Andrei Shleifer and Robert Vishny argued in a 1991 paper for the National Bureau of Economic Research that shortages under socialism serve the important purpose of providing bribe-based profits to the ruling class. That is to say, socialism’s functioning, to the extent it functions at all, depends fundamentally on corruption — sneaking around the plan and gaming the system to survive.

The Shleifer-Vishny argument asserts that, because factories under socialism are considered public utilities, their managers cannot keep accounting profits because all profits (even fake ones) go to the state treasury. That result is bad both for the factory managers and for the ministries and bureaucracies that issue plans and prices. The only way for them to obtain personal benefit from the economic system is through bribes. Shortages increase bribe profits, just as surpluses reduce them. So the goal of every participant in the system is to restrict consumer availability as much as possible.

Over time, everyone learns to bribe, so corruption eventually displaces normal economic functioning. “The reason for pervasive shortages is self-interested behavior by ministry bureaucrats who set the plan prices and output,” Shleifer and Vishny write. “These bureaucrats intentionally plan shortages in order to encourage bribes from rationed consumers.” As unofficial transactions, the bribe profits can be privately held rather than being turned over to the treasury.

What’s distinct about this argument is that it presumes that factory managers, workers, consumers, planners, and ministry officials — all part of a unified plan concocted by self-described socialists — are self-interested in the sense that they are seeking a better material life for themselves. This assumption is critical to their conclusions and contrary to most socialist theory, which presumes infinite benevolence at all levels of society, even to the point of the transformation of human nature itself. If you doubt that human nature can change, it is revealing to examine how socialism ends up working in real life.

Let’s take a look at some history. The Shleifer-Vishny theory pertains particularly well to a fascinating period of Soviet history. After the Second World War and the death of Stalin, Nikita Khrushchev took over as Soviet leader, from 1953 to 1964. This is a period when the leadership genuinely believed that they could make socialism work to the point that it would produce more material prosperity than capitalism did in the West. (This is what Khrushchev meant when he promised “We will bury you.”) With full input from Soviet economists, all of them well trained, they tried desperately to cobble together a system of planning that made rational sense without relying on “bourgeois” market forces.

It was an enormous failure. With Stalinism at an end, so too was the mass terror. But with the new Khrushchevian stability came the entrenchment and ubiquity of the bribe economy, the petty corruption of everyday life, and the spreading of a gritty mass cynicism. Khrushchev was never able to make socialism work, and he spent his last years as a discredited, dejected, and sad old man on a park bench. He became a non-person. “In his activities, there were elements of subjectivism and voluntarism,” reads the only mention of him in the Great Soviet Encyclopedia. (I wish everyone could read Red Plenty, by Francis Spufford, an accurate historical account of the Khrushchev years put in novel form, to understand why even non-terroristic versions of socialism are doomed to fail.)

For only so many decades can you believe that cracking down on corruption will fix a system that fundamentally depends on that very thing. Eventually, the Soviet system died of exhaustion, revealing an economy thrown back in time, universal cheating and cynicism, a dilapidated capital infrastructure, low-quality everything, and shortages of consumer goods that the poorest people in the West take for granted. Thus ended a 70-year attempt to implement socialism.

And what about the theory that the only real alternative to market signaling and free enterprise is the bribe-based intentional shortage? It has an intuitive plausibility. We can see how this works even in developed economies. After all, a government can disable price mechanisms and institute a bribe economy without full-on socialism. When it does, what you find is evidence of institutionalized shortages.

The taxi industry in New York, a municipal monopoly without competitive pressure, worked for decades to create a shortage of services, and then ride-sharing shattered that model. Every industry that requires occupational licensing — from lawyering to hair braiding to flower arranging — is working to restrict supply in order to drive up prices. And one likely reason that Congress declines to adopt a flat tax is that it would end the gray market of lobbying for favors in the tax code; offer hard-to-get tax breaks and you drive up the price of exemptions and therefore the private benefit to those in power.

What history and theory show about socialism is that in real life it has nothing to do with social welfare, improved conditions for humankind, or justice, much less fine-tuning the global climate to make it perfectly match scientific prognostications. Even when it doesn’t achieve economic collapse and famine, socialism defaults to an economy of restriction and corruption and the granting of terrible power to the ruling class, which then uses the system to pillage what it can while the masses suffer.
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Now, I’m very aware of the tendency to write off all theory and history with the usual protest: This is not the kind of socialism I favor, because I’m a democratic socialist! You can add any adjective you want (from “syndicalist” to “nationalist”), but the effects of disabling prices, collectivizing property, suppressing market signals, and empowering ministries of control will always be the same. Economic reality doesn’t care about your visionary politics.


Socialism in real life results in precisely the caricature of capitalism that socialists themselves have denounced for centuries — and in the economic chaos and impoverishment that Mises predicted and explained in 1920. If you love deprivation, constriction, and general limits on material aspirations, plus a tyrannical ruling class that oppresses everyone else, you will love what socialism can and does achieve. Indeed, misery seems to be its only contribution to economic history.
 
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If it not "caught up" and get the economy going soon, we WILL have lean times and food shortages, especially meat shortages. Before too long, farmers will have to cull their animals because they cant feed them and have nobody to buy them. Then is when bad times come. Cows, hogs and chickens take time to reproduce. Cows will take years, hogs a little faster and chickens faster yet. It will be years.

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mecoastie

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Our JIT system relies on order and stability. A constant market taking the same amount all the time, processors processing the same amount all the time with a consistent number of employees. The farmer relying on the processors taking the same amount all the time so they know what to plant and when. We are seeing this breakdown in multiple locations. Consumers are panic buying or not buying, processors are either closing or working reduced shifts due to workforce issues. The farmers now have a ton of food/ animals that they cant get rid of because they are under contract. This is a gross simplification but you see plenty of articles about food plowed under, chickens killed, milk dumped etc. I was told a local grocery was limiting people to one meat item yesterday. I think it will only get worse and it is not in the politicians best interest to solve it quickly. An angry populace is easily manipulated by both sides.
 

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If it not "caught up" and get the economy going soon, we WILL have lean times and food shortages, especially meat shortages. Before too long, farmers will have to cull their animals because they cant feed them and have nobody to buy them. Then is when bad times come. Cows, hogs and chickens take time to reproduce. Cows will take years, hogs a little faster and chickens faster yet. It will be years.

WAB

Yet we have evolved into a country where we think long term is days or at most a week or two.
 

WalknTrot

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First, you have to think it's gonna happen, (with this China bug?) and I don't. What we have right now is a panic and a distribution problem.

What's ten miles down the road is anybody's guess.
 

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Will closing of meat processors create shortages at your grocery store?
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CLEVELAND, Ohio – Meat held in storage should at least temporarily maintain supplies of beef, pork and chicken in Northeast Ohio despite coronavirus-related closings and cutbacks at some processing plants around the nation, suppliers reported this week.
Area grocers, including Giant Eagle and Heinen’s, also reported no shortages, discounting alarms raised earlier this week when Smithfield Foods CEO Ken Sullivan said the nation is “perilously close to the edge” in terms of meat supplies.

“We believe that the diversity within our supply chain will help us to offer consistent product availability in our meat department,” Giant Eagle spokeswoman Jannah Jablonowski said in a statement prepared for cleveland.com.
Cleveland.com reached out to the suppliers and grocers after Sullivan’s warning, issued after South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem urged the temporary closing of Smithfield’s pork-processing plant in Sioux Falls, where 300 workers came down with COVID-19.
Earlier this month, Mississippi-based Sanderson Farms announced that it cut back production at a chicken-processing plant in Moultrie, Ga., after 15 employees tested positive for the coronavirus and 400 workers were sent home to quarantine.

And a JBS USA beef plant in Greeley, Colo., was temporarily shut down Monday after health department officials expressed concerns about workers either being sick or working to close to each other.
Plant closures are presenting a challenge that needs to be addressed, Julie Anna Potts, president and chief executive officer of the North American Meat Institute, told cleveland.com. But Potts foresees no imminent threat of a meat shortage.
“We have lots of meat in storage,” said Potts, whose members represent 95 percent of the beef and pork production in the country and 70 percent of turkey production. “ . . . We have plenty of plants that are still operating as normal across the country.”

The National Chicken Council in Washington, D.C., also issued a release stating that “almost all” plants are in operation, though social distancing requirements are “slowing down” some chicken processing lines.

“Fortunately, we are not experiencing any plant closings at this time,” the release states. “ . . Our top priorities right now are keeping workers safe and keeping chicken flowing on store shelves. In that order.”
Lowell Randel, vice president of government and legal affairs for Virginia-based Global Cold Chain Alliance, whose members store and ship fresh and frozen foods around the country, acknowledged “localized challenges.”
Stores may not be receiving the same variety of products, Randel said, but volumes are still large and alliance members have a lot of meat and poultry in storage.

Sayan Chatterjee, a professor at Case Western Reserve’s Weatherhead School of Management, said a representative of a discount grocery chain with stores in Northeast Ohio told him that shortages of meat and poultry are not a concern, but that supplies could be hampered by a shortage of drivers.
Area grocers were optimistic.

The Heinen’s chain of grocery stores, most of which are in the Cleveland area, buys directly from family-owned producers and none have of them have reported problems said Jeff Heinen, who runs the company with his brother.

Heinen said his stores primarily get beef from ranchers in California, pork from producers in Indiana and chicken from the Amish region of Ohio.
“For the most part, our pork, beef and chicken supplies have been very good,” he said.
John Zagara, owner of the Zagara’s grocery store in Cleveland Heights, also has maintained adequate stocks of meat and chicken since shortages in March that prompted some panic buying.
“The guys that have closed down don’t supply me,” said Zagara, although his biggest fear is that the coronavirus could interrupt the wholesalers he works with, whether it’s meat processors, egg producers or distributors.
Zagara said he gets a lot of his beef and pork from Sherwood Food Distributors, a Detroit-based wholesaler with a division based in Maple Heights, as well as from SuperValu Inc, which is based. in New Stanton, Pa.
A call to Sherwood’s Cleveland office was not immediately returned.
As to future supplies, Potts of the North American Meat Institute said everything is being done by her organization to ensure that state, local and federal health guidelines are aligned so that supply chain disruptions won’t create shortages.
 

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Meat shortages feared as coronavirus closes processing plants
Meat shortage could be coming soon as processing plants are forced to close
Meat shortage could be coming soon as processing plants are forced to close Smithfield Foods announced the closure of one its largest pork processing facilities in Sioux Falls, South Dakota due to ...

The Smithfield pork processing plant in Sioux Falls, S.D., is seen Wednesday, April 8, 2020, where health officials reported more than 80 employees have confirmed cases of the coronavirus (AP Photo/Stephen Groves) (Photo: Stephen Groves, AP)

As some food workers across the U.S. are becoming infected by the coronavirus, some plants that process beef, pork and poultry are shutting down -- raising the specter of meat shortages.

With the plant closures, the worry is that consumers will be impacted by shortages and higher prices. In recent weeks, consumers also faced grocers putting buying limits on beef and chicken because of stockpiling.

At Holiday Market, Tom Violantesaid some suppliers have started limiting quantities of pork and beef.

Price increases, Violante fears, will be coming soon.

“At this time, there is more problem with supply and not price,” Violante said. “When the supply chain runs through its current load of beef and pork the supply will be limited and the price increase will follow.”

Stores that use smaller processors said they are not experiencing a shortage as of yet.

Food processing giant Smithfield Foods is the most recent to announce the closure of one its largest pork processing facilities in Sioux Falls, South Dakota, due to COVID-19. More than 200 cases of COVID-19 are linked to the employees at the facility, according to reports.

Other major food processors, such as Tyson Foods and JBS USA , also have shut down some facilities temporarily because of workers becoming ill from the coronavirus.

Smithfield CEO Kenneth Sullivan warned that shuttering plants is pushing the country's meat supply "perilously close" to the edge.

The South Dakota plant represents about 5% of the pork production in the U.S., supplying nearly 130 million servings of food per week, according to a news release. Employing more than 3,700 people, the plant uses has more than 550 independent family farmers that supply pork to the plant. Smithfield is a wholly-owned subsidiary of WH Group of China.
 

mzkitty

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Irish Potato Famine

Irish Potato Famine - Timeline, Causes & Facts - HISTORY
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Jun 07, 2019 · Irish Potato Famine Ireland in the 1800s. With the ratification of the Acts of Union in 1801,... Great Hunger Begins. When the crops began to fail in 1845, as a result of P. Legacy of the Potato Famine. The exact role of the British government in... Irish Hunger Memorials. In recent years, cities ...
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Great Famine, also called Irish Potato Famine, Great Irish Famine, or Famine of 1845–49, famine that occurred in Ireland in 1845–49 when the potato crop failed in successive years. The crop failures were caused by late blight, a disease that destroys both the leaves and the edible roots, or tubers, of the potato plant.

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From 1845 to 1849 Ireland's potato crop was ruined by late blight, a disease that destroys both the leaves and the edible roots of the potato plant. Many Irish peasants relied on potato farming for their main source of food and income.

Well. They leave out the most important fact: the Irish grew other crops too; however, the British took it all to feed England. How do I know this? I had friends in the 80's who were supporters of the IRA.

Believe it or don't.
 

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Coronavirus measures could cause global food shortage, UN ...
Coronavirus measures could cause global food shortage, UN warns
Mar 26, 2020Harvests have been good and the outlook for staple crops is promising, but a shortage of field workers brought on by the virus crisis and a move towards protectionism - tariffs and export bans ...

Protectionist measures by national governments during the coronavirus crisis could provoke food shortages around the world, the UN’s food body has warned.

Harvests have been good and the outlook for staple crops is promising, but a shortage of field workers brought on by the virus crisis and a move towards protectionism – tariffs and export bans – mean problems could quickly appear in the coming weeks, Maximo Torero, chief economist of the UN Food and Agriculture Organisation, told the Guardian.

“The worst that can happen is that governments restrict the flow of food,” he said. “All measures against free trade will be counterproductive. Now is not the time for restrictions or putting in place trade barriers. Now is the time to protect the flow of food around the world.”

Governments must resist calls from some quarters to protect their own food supply by restricting exports, he said, as some have begun to do.

Kazakhstan, for instance, according to a report from Bloomberg, has banned exports of wheat flour, of which it is one of the world’s biggest sources, as well as restrictions on buckwheat and vegetables including onions, carrots and potatoes. Vietnam, the world’s third biggest rice exporter, has temporarily suspended rice export contracts. Russia, the world’s biggest wheat exporter, may also threaten to restrict exports, as it has done before, and the position of the US is in doubt given Donald Trump’s eagerness for a trade war in other commodities.





“Trade barriers will create extreme volatility,” warned Torero. “[They] will make the situation worse. That’s what we observe in food crises.”

While the supply of food is functioning well in most countries at present, problems could start to be seen within weeks and intensify over the following two months as key fruit and vegetables come into season. These types of produce often have short ripening times and are highly perishable, and need skilled pickers to work quickly at the right time.

“We need to be careful not to break the food value chain and the logistics or we will be looking at problems with fresh vegetables and fruits soon,” said Torero. “Fruit and vegetables are also very labour intensive, if the labour force is threatened because people can’t move then you have a problem.”


As governments impose lockdowns in countries across the world, recruiting seasonal workers will become impossible unless measures are taken to ensure vital workers can still move around, while preventing the virus from spreading.

“Coronavirus is affecting the labour force and the logistical problems are becoming very important,” said Torero. “We need to have policies in place so the labour force can keep doing their job. Protect people too, but we need the labour force. Major countries have yet to implement these sorts of policies to ensure that food can keep moving.”

Countries such as the UK, with a sinking currency and high level of imports, are also likely to see food price rises unless the government takes action or retailers absorb some of the costs, he said.

The most important role governments can play is to keep the food supply chain operating, intervene to ensure there are enough workers, and keep the global food markets from panicking, according to Torero.

“If traders start to become nervous, conditions will get difficult,” he said. “It just needs one big trader to make a decision [to disrupt the supply of staple crops] and that will affect everywhere. Governments must properly regulate, that is their biggest function in this situation. It’s very important to keep alive the food value chain: intervene to protect the value chain [including the supply of workers] but not to distort the market.”

Individuals can also play an important role, by avoiding panic buying and hoarding of food, and cutting down on food waste. Buying too much fresh farm produce that then goes off before it can be eaten will just exacerbate food supply problems, he said. “Individuals should only buy what they need to avoid food waste.”

Animal welfare is also an issue as border delays caused by the Covid-19 lockdown measures are meaning that livestock journeys are lengthened.

In the UK, some farming leaders have called for a “land army” of workers to replace a shortfall of workers that could reach 80,000, according to one estimate, if the 60,000 seasonal workers recruited from abroad in normal years are prevented from coming, and if some British workers fall ill.

Organisations representing both wealthy landowners and agricultural workers have urged the government to intervene. The Landworkers’ Alliance, representing more than 1,000 small and medium farmers and landworkers across the UK, wrote to the chancellor of the exchequer asking for a £9.3m package of support to pay a “land army” of workers to increase domestic fruit and vegetable production as the Covid-19 crisis bites.

The Country Land and Business Association (CLA), representing more than 30,000 UK landowners and rural firms, made a similar call last week, for the government to make it easier for people thrown out of work by the lockdown to find seasonal work on farms. Mark Bridgeman, president of the CLA, said: “We need urgent government assistance to help source workers and advertise positions. Time is of the essence as many farmers will soon begin, or have already begun, planting or harvesting.”

The Department of Environment, Food and Rural Affairs has said its officials and ministers are in regular communication with representatives of the food industry to ensure the food supply chain remains resilient.

Andre Laperriere, executive director of Global Open Data for Agriculture and Nutrition, which provides data on food and agriculture, said the government must make plans to ensure the food supply chain functioned smoothly.
Empty shelves in supermarkets should not be much of a concern,” he said. “It is not a supply problem – it is a logistics problem. There is enough supply for all, as long as everyone stays calm and stops hoarding. We may tend to waste food if we hoard more than required, and hoarding would also artificially increase food prices because of the pressure on the supply chain.”

He called for borders between the UK and other countries to remain open for imports and exports, and for farm workers to be supplied with protective equipment to enable them to carry on with their jobs safely amid the coronavirus lockdown. “The food sector comes under the critical infrastructure sector, along with healthcare and emergency services,” he said.

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COVID-19 And Truck Driver Shortage May Threaten Food ...
COVID-19 And Truck Driver Shortage May Threaten Food Supply Chain
Mar 18, 2020The exact nature of the labor shortage in the trucking industry is also tricky to assess. There isn't widespread agreement about whether there even is a truck driver shortage, for example. When ...

Grocery store shoppers continue to pack their carts in response to the coronavirus pandemic, forcing chains like Harris Teeter and Walmart to set earlier closing times to restock their shelves. Food industry executives assure the public there is no food shortage, but that doesn’t mean the coronavirus poses no threat to the food system. As the pandemic persists, labor shortages in transportation and other areas of the food industry could soon prove to be a problem.

First, the good news. Andrew Novakovic, agricultural economist at Cornell University, agrees with the many food industry experts and government officials who say there is plenty of food. “This isn’t a supply chain disruption,” Novakovic says of the current pandemic. Though the U.S. food system is frequently criticized for being too big and too monolithic, its size and expediency, including crop surpluses, mean the U.S. has plenty of food available for the long haul.

At the same time, Novakovic points to a number of weak spots in the food transportation system that could be aggravated by the increased demand for food. Transportation is the one thing that connects all stages of the the supply chain, he says, from farm to food processing to warehouse to grocery store. That’s why any labor shortage in the food system, but especially a shortage of truck drivers, could pose a serious threat to the food supply chain if the high demand for groceries continues unabated.

The rapid global spread of COVID-19 means few answers and lots of uncertainty across all industries, unfortunately, and that includes food production. While many are hoping the spread of the virus will slow by the end of the summer, it’s impossible to know for sure. “What kind of shape we’re going to be in the fall remains to be seen,” Novakovic cautions.

The exact nature of the labor shortage in the trucking industry is also tricky to assess. There isn’t widespread agreement about whether there even is a truck driver shortage, for example. When the shortage was first widely reported in 2018, some experts, including officials at the Department of Labor, suggested that there wasn’t actually a truck driver shortage, and that the claims were an industry push to remove regulations related to driver safety and long haul trucking, like mandated breaks during driving assignments.
 

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Meat shortages feared as coronavirus closes processing plants
Meat shortage could be coming soon as processing plants are forced to close
Meat shortage could be coming soon as processing plants are forced to close Smithfield Foods announced the closure of one its largest pork processing facilities in Sioux Falls, South Dakota due to ...

The Smithfield pork processing plant in Sioux Falls, S.D., is seen Wednesday, April 8, 2020, where health officials reported more than 80 employees have confirmed cases of the coronavirus (AP Photo/Stephen Groves) (Photo: Stephen Groves, AP)

As some food workers across the U.S. are becoming infected by the coronavirus, some plants that process beef, pork and poultry are shutting down -- raising the specter of meat shortages.

With the plant closures, the worry is that consumers will be impacted by shortages and higher prices. In recent weeks, consumers also faced grocers putting buying limits on beef and chicken because of stockpiling.

At Holiday Market, Tom Violantesaid some suppliers have started limiting quantities of pork and beef.

Price increases, Violante fears, will be coming soon.

“At this time, there is more problem with supply and not price,” Violante said. “When the supply chain runs through its current load of beef and pork the supply will be limited and the price increase will follow.”

Stores that use smaller processors said they are not experiencing a shortage as of yet.

Food processing giant Smithfield Foods is the most recent to announce the closure of one its largest pork processing facilities in Sioux Falls, South Dakota, due to COVID-19. More than 200 cases of COVID-19 are linked to the employees at the facility, according to reports.

Other major food processors, such as Tyson Foods and JBS USA , also have shut down some facilities temporarily because of workers becoming ill from the coronavirus.

Smithfield CEO Kenneth Sullivan warned that shuttering plants is pushing the country's meat supply "perilously close" to the edge.

The South Dakota plant represents about 5% of the pork production in the U.S., supplying nearly 130 million servings of food per week, according to a news release. Employing more than 3,700 people, the plant uses has more than 550 independent family farmers that supply pork to the plant. Smithfield is a wholly-owned subsidiary of WH Group of China.

This worries me. There is a thread in the BS on food shortages that includes what's going on in the meat industry. They're gonna force us to all be involuntary vegetarians if this keeps up.

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But NO ONE saw this coming? Seems something more effective than carbon prices has come along to "push farming changes."

Text of the snip below is behind a paywall.
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Climate changed
The Green New Deal Progressives Really Are Coming for Your Beef
By
Katia Dmitrieva

March 13, 2019, 9:15 AM EDT

  • Factory farms, farting cows have a big environmental footprint
  • Carbon price seen more effective at pushing farming changes /SNIP/
 

John Deere Girl

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Well. They leave out the most important fact: the Irish grew other crops too; however, the British took it all to feed England. How do I know this? I had friends in the 80's who were supporters of the IRA.

Believe it or don't.
From everything I have read, the same is true for the Great Depression. Plenty of food, and there was no need to ration the US citizens, yet they did.
 

dstraito

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Drought Effects On Farming And Agriculture | North ...

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Drought and Its Effects on Farming and Agriculture by Genevieve Devine A severe drought, such as the one that has affected the Midwest, Southwest, Southeast and the Southern and Central Plains regions of the United States last year, can have lasting effects on both the local and national agricultural and farming industry.

A severe drought, such as the one that has affected the Midwest, Southwest, Southeast and the Southern and Central Plains regions of the United States last year, can have lasting effects on both the local and national agricultural and farming industry. The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration reported in September that 24 percent of the United States was suffering from severe to extreme drought conditions and 28 percent of the country classified as experiencing moderate to extreme drought conditions.

A lack of rainfall can cause entire crops to fail or result in a very small crop, even for farmers who irrigate their fields. In turn, low crop production leads to losses in other industries that rely on agricultural products in order to stay in business. The drought has led to increased prices for hay, feeds and even grocery produce. It has also effected ethanol production as the demand for corn has exceeded production levels.

Texas A&M University’s AgriLife Extension estimates that the drought that has affected Texas this year has caused agricultural losses that are expected to exceed $5.2 billion dollars, a record loss for the industry within the state. These losses are coming from failed crops such as cotton, corn, sorghum, wheat and hay. The loss of hay production is estimated to cause agricultural business losses worth more than $700 million and, combined with the loss in corn production, is causing significant problems for many livestock producers.

Livestock producers in areas affected by the drought are now having to pay significantly higher prices for the same amount of forage and corn-based feeds they purchased in previous years. In some cases, local hay is not readily available and farmers are having to cull their herds or spend significantly more money having hay brought in from other parts of the country. Lawmakers in Kansas have temporarily eased laws governing the transport of hay and the sale of livestock in order to help ease the financial strain that he drought conditions have put on farmers.

The combination of a limited supply and high demand will drive prices up enough to somewhat off-set the losses for farmers who have managed to produce some crops, but as a whole the drought has lead to increased operational costs for farmers and significant losses in the agricultural industry.
 

mzkitty

I give up.
From everything I have read, the same is true for the Great Depression. Plenty of food, and there was no need to ration the US citizens, yet they did.

Yup, and from what I've read, there was no reason to do it during WWII either. The politicians thought people would feel like they were "contributing" to the war effort. So they made up our minds for us (again). Crazy, eh?
 

20Gauge

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Well. They leave out the most important fact: the Irish grew other crops too; however, the British took it all to feed England. How do I know this? I had friends in the 80's who were supporters of the IRA.

Believe it or don't.
They taught us that in school. Basically left the serfs / peasants / tenant farmers without anything to eat, So many resorted to the last thing anyone wanted. Potatoes. The British stripped the entire country of all the wheat, etc.
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
Yup, and from what I've read, there was no reason to do it during WWII either. The politicians thought people would feel like they were "contributing" to the war effort. So they made up our minds for us (again). Crazy, eh?

Pending drought, famine, this virus... to force the US into compliance with carbon taxes and global warming? Maybe we should name this virus after Greta the saint of bullshit!
 

20Gauge

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From everything I have read, the same is true for the Great Depression. Plenty of food, and there was no need to ration the US citizens, yet they did.
The rationing was to push up prices. FDR policies. There was and continues to be enough food. During the depression the feds took control of the country's AG. This is where we get the "commerce clause" ruling by the SC. A farmer was growing wheat for himself and the feds swooped in and took it and fined him or something like that. Details are fuzzy, but the feds argued it was part of the commerce clause and they were allowed to control what was made and by whom.

The results has been many many poor rulings that devolved from that one ruling.

The feds also restricted access to food in order to prop up prices. People were hungry for many reasons, almost all were related to FDR and his policies.
 

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Culling the Herds

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During the early years of the Depression, livestock prices dropped disastrously. Officials with the New Deal believed prices were down because farmers were still producing too many commodities like hogs and cotton. The solution proposed in the Agricultural Adjustment Act of 1933 was to reduce the supply.


So, in the late spring of 1933, the federal government carried out "emergency livestock reductions." In Nebraska, the government bought about 470,000 cattle and 438,000 pigs. Nationwide, six million hogs were purchased from desperate farmers. In the South, one million farmers were paid to plow under 10.4 million acres of cotton.

The hogs and cattle were simply killed. In Nebraska, thousands were shot and buried in deep pits. Farmers hated to sell their herds, but they had no choice. The federal buy-out saved many farmers from bankruptcy, and AAA payments became the chief source of income for many that year.

It was a bitter pill for farmers to swallow. They had worked hard to raise those crops and livestock, and they absolutely hated to see them killed and the meat go to waste. Critics charged that the AAA was pushing a "policy of scarcity," killing little pigs simply to increase prices when many people were going hungry.

Agriculture Secretary Henry A. Wallace said that since there was too little demand for pork products, farmers couldn't run an "old folks home for hogs and keep them around indefinitely as pets." But even Wallace relented, recognizing the desperate need in the country. He pledged that the government would purchase agricultural products "from those who have too much in order to give to those who have too little." The AAA was amended to set up the Federal Surplus Relief Corporation (FSRC), which distributed agricultural products such as canned beef, apples, beans and pork products to relief organizations.

Yet the basic governmental approach of supporting farm prices by reducing supplies continues to this day.

Written by Claudia Reinhardt and Bill Ganzel, the Ganzel Group. First written and published in 2003.
 

FREEBIRD

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Culling the Herds

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During the early years of the Depression, livestock prices dropped disastrously. Officials with the New Deal believed prices were down because farmers were still producing too many commodities like hogs and cotton. The solution proposed in the Agricultural Adjustment Act of 1933 was to reduce the supply.


So, in the late spring of 1933, the federal government carried out "emergency livestock reductions." In Nebraska, the government bought about 470,000 cattle and 438,000 pigs. Nationwide, six million hogs were purchased from desperate farmers. In the South, one million farmers were paid to plow under 10.4 million acres of cotton.

The hogs and cattle were simply killed. In Nebraska, thousands were shot and buried in deep pits. Farmers hated to sell their herds, but they had no choice. The federal buy-out saved many farmers from bankruptcy, and AAA payments became the chief source of income for many that year.

It was a bitter pill for farmers to swallow. They had worked hard to raise those crops and livestock, and they absolutely hated to see them killed and the meat go to waste. Critics charged that the AAA was pushing a "policy of scarcity," killing little pigs simply to increase prices when many people were going hungry.

Agriculture Secretary Henry A. Wallace said that since there was too little demand for pork products, farmers couldn't run an "old folks home for hogs and keep them around indefinitely as pets." But even Wallace relented, recognizing the desperate need in the country. He pledged that the government would purchase agricultural products "from those who have too much in order to give to those who have too little." The AAA was amended to set up the Federal Surplus Relief Corporation (FSRC), which distributed agricultural products such as canned beef, apples, beans and pork products to relief organizations.

Yet the basic governmental approach of supporting farm prices by reducing supplies continues to this day.

Written by Claudia Reinhardt and Bill Ganzel, the Ganzel Group. First written and published in 2003.
I'm a Nebraska girl. This breaks my heart. And infuriates me.
 

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Culling the Herds


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During the early years of the Depression, livestock prices dropped disastrously. Officials with the New Deal believed prices were down because farmers were still producing too many commodities like hogs and cotton. The solution proposed in the Agricultural Adjustment Act of 1933 was to reduce the supply.



So, in the late spring of 1933, the federal government carried out "emergency livestock reductions." In Nebraska, the government bought about 470,000 cattle and 438,000 pigs. Nationwide, six million hogs were purchased from desperate farmers. In the South, one million farmers were paid to plow under 10.4 million acres of cotton.

The hogs and cattle were simply killed. In Nebraska, thousands were shot and buried in deep pits. Farmers hated to sell their herds, but they had no choice. The federal buy-out saved many farmers from bankruptcy, and AAA payments became the chief source of income for many that year.

It was a bitter pill for farmers to swallow. They had worked hard to raise those crops and livestock, and they absolutely hated to see them killed and the meat go to waste. Critics charged that the AAA was pushing a "policy of scarcity," killing little pigs simply to increase prices when many people were going hungry.

Agriculture Secretary Henry A. Wallace said that since there was too little demand for pork products, farmers couldn't run an "old folks home for hogs and keep them around indefinitely as pets." But even Wallace relented, recognizing the desperate need in the country. He pledged that the government would purchase agricultural products "from those who have too much in order to give to those who have too little." The AAA was amended to set up the Federal Surplus Relief Corporation (FSRC), which distributed agricultural products such as canned beef, apples, beans and pork products to relief organizations.

Yet the basic governmental approach of supporting farm prices by reducing supplies continues to this day.

Written by Claudia Reinhardt and Bill Ganzel, the Ganzel Group. First written and published in 2003.
and as a result starved a good portion of the country.
 
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