Flu Pandemic Vs. Y2K

[howdeedoodee]

I was wrong about Y2K. The PTB, I thought, were in total denial about Y2K. Y2K was to be a social and an infrastructure meltdown. I was wrong. Even in the worst case scenario in my mind, Y2K was survivable by just about everyone. I was embarrassed about being wrong about Y2K. I want to be wrong about my doom views in regard to the bird flu. However, with the bird flu, not everyone will survive. In the U.S., millions could die. In my neighborhood, in my group, in my family, some could be taken.

Conferences and plans being laid in D.C. are not taking place because the PTB think nothing will happen. Conferences and plans are being laid because the PTB do think something will happen. Quite obviously, without making any doom-based assertions, the PTB do indeed see this pandemic as the end of many things. Precious Lord Jesus, let me and let everyone be wrong about the terrible plague about to be unleashed upon us.

Of all the doom spread around on this board since the beginning, I don't recall anything so terrible as what we are about to see unleashed.

Some of you old timers...have we ever seen anything like this before?

 

[epaul]

About every other week, ha.

But really, I AM worried about this flu. I can't get my wife to understand how bad it could get. She works in the grocery buisness and I asked her what would she do if the grocery trucks couldn't run because of quarinteens(wheres spell check???) and she just said we'll get our stock somewhere? else.

 

[Micro]

They do protest too much

For Y2K, TPTB said all is fine and not to worry.

For the flu, TPTB have been pressing it hard and it has been getting HEAVY play in the MSM. This press is making me feel that this is all contrived.

Can a pandemic occur, sure. Am I really concerned about it, not really. I place it below backpack and dirty nukes in my prep schemes. IF it did occur, it would fall under the economic disaster scenario which I am preparing for.

 

[Safecastle]

Epaul, your wife's response struck me as being a good example of why there are still folks out there in authority trying to downplay the danger.

Yes, there are increasing news sources for those who are watching that something wicked this way comes. But it ain't here yet and you can't be getting the folks who can't handle it too worried and panicky before that becomes inevitable. Eventually, awareness will grow and be assimilated throughout the system. If it's done in an orderly and sequential fashion (i.e, with your wife getting some direction from within her company), there will be far less inclination on the parts of some people to become paralyzed by the larger implications. Panic and paralysis are not our friends.

The general principle of letting understanding of this potentially far-reaching reality move systematically through the population is the best approach. Even the pandemic fatality rate forecasts seeming to be so low in relation to what we are actually seeing in Asia to-date point to an effort to allow us all to adequately adjust to the potential danger in a manageable way.

 

[O2BNOK]

howdeedoodee.... I too hope that you are wrong, that TPTB are wrong..... that it becomes a non-event that we can chide each other over... But I wonder.

I think a lot about quarantine, voluntary quarantine for my family. I don't believe I'm ready for that, but am trying to get ready. If this virus begins to evolve into just the right form for easier human to human transmission, we're all in trouble.... unless of course, the evolution that allows for easy H2H transmission also removes some of it's virulence..... it's possible.

I really believe that TPTB could get a handle on this monster if they would insist on killing all barnyard and market fowl within the effected areas of Asia... but that ain't gonna happen. Take all those billions of $$ countries are spending on Tamiflu and use the money to disinfect and replace those culled fowl. But then, I'm probably wrong and there are likely a million reasons why something like that wouldn't work.

So, my hope is that it will remain within that region, playing around with it's chromosomes, trying them this way and that, for the time being, maybe throughout this flu season and give us a chance to really prepare... before it hits here. As is often said here, "Time will tell".

In the meantime... God bless us all.


xoxo

 

[the_end]

Is it not OBVIOUS??????????????????

While the "bird" flu is making people ill, sometimes death rapidly,

IS IT NOT OBVIOUS that it's a LAB Created virus?

80+ viro biologists have been murdered or died in "odd" ways (most since 911)

Now it's being TELEGRAPHED with the same words "It's not a matter of it, but when."

Since 911 it has been a 1, 2, 3 etc. step-by-step, inch-by-inch news cycle of terror, then laws (or the revoking of rights), then snipers, anthrax, wars and more wars, more laws revoking rights, then perfect oil storms hitting exactly ports, rigs and refineries, then presidential news conferences detailing nothing, offering no solutions, only more laws, more money spent and now world-wide-panademics!

CAN YOU NOT SEE THE SCAMS?
THE FARCES?
LIE, AFTER LIE, AFTER LIE?

Sure, it's "REAL" someone or many die, but these events seem to always happen on special dates, 30 days, 13 years, 911, etc.

Don't you find it ODD that since Katrina it's been a 24-7 time of sheer chaos, doom or potential doom?

To me it's OBVIOUS! An ongoing program of calculated CHAOS.

Do you really believe that this so called bird flu is an act of nature?

The PTB are getting ready to clean the planet of many.

Your economic struggle is just a sadistic game for the evildoers - as well as distraction and "busy work" to keep you TOTALLY occupied.

NYCs subway event was basic guerillia warfare, as well as a Friday news cycle dodge (fill with horror or the possible horror)

Those who follow the news, like TBers (and me) are moved by stories like a cat attracted to a toy mouse on a string. Jump here, jump there, all anticipation.

No, I cannot predict the day and time, but as most here assume it's comming, probably this Fall and Winter, by Spring it will be full blown (all things, not just flu or economic).

this is the USA's fate (crash the banks and 50% will be dead in 45 days), possibly Asian Countries, not sure about elsewhere.

 

[window2watcher]

I can tell you I am wore to the bone with all the crisis, fear and general controled political- media hysteria---oh for the good ole days---or were they? Probebly not, I am paying more attention now? Lets see, In my life time we had WWII, Atomic Bomb, Korean War, the cold war, Viet Nam war, Gulf War I and II, Afganistan, Irac, Typhoid fever, Diptheria, Small Pox, measles epidemics, Polio epidemics, Flu hitting hard about every 10 years----I think maybe that this all is just life and my choice is whether to cave in under the fear of it or simply accept that life as a human-social-political animal is dangerous.

 

[Lone Eagle Woman]

Do so much agree with you, the_end. Do personally think that this "Bird Flu" is
a "Lab" created Virus by TPTB to help get rid if us "Useless Eaters". Now if this
virus is indeed as Epedemic as the media is saying it will be then ask yourself
this question. Who will be the most probable victims of this Virus - Flu? It will
be probably the Poor, The Sick or the Infirm, The Old, etc. Yes it will be us
"Useless Eaters.

Also take a look on how the Bubonic Plague transformed Europe. How much
when a plague occurs does the political spectrum change. And once this
"Flu" sweeps the country with forced Quarantines and forced restrictive
movements - martial law, etc. Do you think afterwards things will go back to
normal. Well, forget it! How often when any government gets there foot in the
door on something - on anything. That foot stays there permanently!

Now personally do see so much as coming all at the sametime - Economic chaos,
this Bird Flu Virus, Martial Law, Etc. Hmmmm .... Maybe it is finally that time to
Bug Out and Not Look Back!

Creator Bless!

 

[Hansa44]

Do so much agree with you, the_end. Do personally think that this "Bird Flu" is
a "Lab" created Virus by TPTB to help get rid if us "Useless Eaters". Now if this
virus is indeed as Epedemic as the media is saying it will be then ask yourself
this question. Who will be the most probable victims of this Virus - Flu? It will
be probably the Poor, The Sick or the Infirm, The Old, etc. Yes it will be us
"Useless Eaters.

Also take a look on how the Bubonic Plague transformed Europe. How much
when a plague occurs does the political spectrum change. And once this
"Flu" sweeps the country with forced Quarantines and forced restrictive
movements - martial law, etc. Do you think afterwards things will go back to
normal. Well, forget it! How often when any government gets there foot in the
door on something - on anything. That foot stays there permanently!

Now personally do see so much as coming all at the sametime - Economic chaos,
this Bird Flu Virus, Martial Law, Etc. Hmmmm .... Maybe it is finally that time to
Bug Out and Not Look Back!

Creator Bless!

Unfortunately, during the 1918 pandemic, 50% of those that died from the flu were between 20 and 30 years of age. They don't know why.

 

[Capt Teach]

Unfortunately, during the 1918 pandemic, 50% of those that died from the flu were between 20 and 30 years of age. They don't know why.

My guess is that the life expectancy then was only about 50. As most families started large, but there was something like a 50% fatality rate among children before reaching maturity, it would seem the majority of the pop. was in the 20 to 40 group.

Plainly put, 20 to 40 was the senior population at that time.

jmho

Capt Teach

 

[dissimulo]

I'm sure I'll probably tick someone off by saying this, but I don't think we're at a point where we should be freaked out about H5N1 just yet.

I think being aware and prepping for it is a good thing, because I think we should always be prepped for a pandemic. Good, general preps will carry you through a lot of problems.

There is no doubt that H5N1 is dangerous, as it is spreading through bird communities like lightning and large numbers of infected birds create conditions where humans can become infected. However, relatively few people have been affected and I have still not seen a really obvious example of human to human transmission. It is possible that it has happened, but I don't think the situation is very clear.

We also don't really know what the fatality rate is, since it is possible that many people have been infected and simply got better without going to the hospital.

SARS had significantly more traction in humans that H5N1 has had so far and I don't recall the same degree of concern over it.

At any rate, I am reasonably prepped for a pandemic and I'm going to relax about it until I see it pop up in north america or begin an exponential spread in Asia. Right now, I see the news as attention-getting, but not alarming. I'm still more worried about the economy.

 

[LMonty911]

IS IT NOT OBVIOUS that it's a LAB Created virus?

no, it's not obvious. in fact, it absolutely isnt. the story is in the genes- its a pure, wild avian virus.

you may be thinking of WSN33-that is a lab created flu virus, that was developed from H1N1, which has neurotrophism. WSN33 was found in some pigs in Asia while back- or at least a different flu virus that contained some of those genes, but apparently hasnt spread or developed into a highly pathogenic form... but it has nothingto do with the Avian Flu thats currently threatening us. This one is pure Mother Nature.


I really believe that TPTB could get a handle on this monster if they would insist on killing all barnyard and market fowl within the effected areas of Asia... but that ain't gonna happen.

too late. its currently being spread by migratory birds, and no poultry cull is going to eradicate it from the wild. its already entrenched in China, Russia and now making very effective forays into Europe. agreed, it might slow it downfrom jumping H2H-but we're not even sure of that anymore. if the indications we are following in Indonesia are correct, moderately efficient H2H transfer may already be happening, albeit in small clusters. we're too late for any asian controls to wipe this out.

Unfortunately, during the 1918 pandemic, 50% of those that died from the flu were between 20 and 30 years of age. They don't know why.

the highest mortality was actually in the 20-40 yo age range. current medical thinking, which seeems to be borne out by what the H5N1 victinms are experiencing, is that cytokine storm caused the large numbers of rapid deats in this age range from ARDS. because they were young and fairly healthy, they have the best immune systems. this bug is capable of causing that healty immune systrm to overreact- and essentially kill the victim. they may statistically have been older, but the immune response of folks in that age range in 1918 and 2005 will be essentially the same. the risk is just as great if the pandemic strain mimics the 1918 H1N1 ability to induce cytokine storm that this unusual death rate in healty adults ages 20-40 can happen again. in fact, in 1918; the highest mortalty rate of any group was pregnant women-most likely because of the physical changes in immune function that pregnancy causes.

Some of you old timers...have we ever seen anything like this before?

not really, though if Y2k had been worst case scenario...there are a lot of paralells, because a worst case pandemic may lead to infrastructure breakdown. not from broken computers, but from from the failure of the sick,dying and frightened to keep society going.

its not an ELE, but ranks just below major asteroid strike and huge supervolcano or all out thermonuclear war on my personal "Oh, chit" list. the thing is, I may move it to number one, since its the threat that seems the most likely to happen pretty quickly. Its not the end of the world (if you live through it) but definitely has some potential to be a TEOTWAWKI event.