Finding safety in a tornado

DuckandCover

Proud Sheeple
Well, with the outbreak of severe weather in our neck of the woods, including some rather large tornadoes, I got to thinking about where in our house would be the safest if we were hit dead-on by a major tornado.

We have a basement, so obviously that's the best place. However, there are people who are killed by tornadoes while they are in basements, so just being there may not be enough. Whether it be by falling debris or being sucked out, there are still dangers.

I have considered that the closet under the stairway leading down to the basement as an excellent choice, since the stairway should be able to survive many falling debris. However, that is just my thinking and I could be wrong.

Does anybody have any other ideas about how to protect oneself from a dead-on hit by a major tornado.....whether in a basement or not? This threat seems like it is getting more and more likely around here all the time, so let's get to tossing ideas around so we can get a planned course of action.

Any thoughts?
 

housemouse

Membership Revoked
Asked my husband what he thinks (he is an architect)....

He thinks that in the basement, right next to the concrete block wall, or in the corner, on the side of the house the tornado is coming from. He says that most stairs are made of fairly lightweight material.

But, this needs research, I think.
 

Lilbitsnana

On TB every waking moment
I think the safest place for a tornado is underground.

That said, my late grandfather survived this tornado:

http://www.tornadoproject.com/toptens/1.htm
Top Ten US Killer Tornadoes

He wouldn't go into a basement when a tornado came. It seems that a lot of the deaths from that tornado (according to his memory) were from people who burned to death after being trapped in their basements. Granted I believe a lot of the homes at that time (in that rural area) still used coal and wood stoves to heat with, and that probably is how the fires started, from falling debris from the houses with the stove collapsing into the basements. I do keep that in mind when I think of shelter from a tornado.

My perfect refuge would be an old fashioned underground storm shelter or root cellar.

For your personal home, that sounds like a reasonable place, is it in the center of the home or in a corner?
 

DuckandCover

Proud Sheeple
Lilbitsnana said:
I think the safest place for a tornado is underground.

That said, my late grandfather survived this tornado:

http://www.tornadoproject.com/toptens/1.htm
Top Ten US Killer Tornadoes

He wouldn't go into a basement when a tornado came. It seems that a lot of the deaths from that tornado (according to his memory) were from people who burned to death after being trapped in their basements. Granted I believe a lot of the homes at that time (in that rural area) still used coal and wood stoves to heat with, and that probably is how the fires started, from falling debris from the houses with the stove collapsing into the basements. I do keep that in mind when I think of shelter from a tornado.

My perfect refuge would be an old fashioned underground storm shelter or root cellar.

For your personal home, that sounds like a reasonable place, is it in the center of the home or in a corner?

The stairway heading down into the basement is along a concrete wall, 12" thick. However, it is in the northeast part of the house. When under the stairs, there is the concrete wall on one side and a "typical wall" (studs and sheetrock) on the other. Along the outside of the typical wall, there is my fairly heavy wooden desk that takes up a decent hunk of that wall.

Interesting discussion thus far...I like talking about these types of things.
 

diamonds

Administrator
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DuckandCover said:
The stairway heading down into the basement is along a concrete wall, 12" thick. However, it is in the northeast part of the house. When under the stairs, there is the concrete wall on one side and a "typical wall" (studs and sheetrock) on the other. Along the outside of the typical wall, there is my fairly heavy wooden desk that takes up a decent hunk of that wall.

Interesting discussion thus far...I like talking about these types of things.


Sounds like the safest place to go.
 

blueberry

Inactive
For homes lacking a basement (like mine :rolleyes: ) an interior closet, bathroom or other small room with no windows is recommended. For my house, I use a bathroom located in the middle of the house, with no windows or exterior walls.
 

etdeb

Veteran Member
Even in the monolithic dome home you have to pay attention to wind strength, walls are 18" thick, but glass doors and windows are weaker. In my MD I have 6 foot overhang to protect doors and windows. When Rita was headed our way I was concerned about the building materials still outside the MD flying in high winds and hitting my doors and windows. I plan to add storm shutters at a later date.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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Two reasons:

- The ground is usually quite "damp" only a little under the surface, thus promoting flooded basements.

- No pipes will freeze in winter. Most northern homes have basements so the pipes stay warm.
 

INVAR

Sword At-The-Ready
I'm a local Skywarn spotter for our locale and have a few points.

First of all, most people in a tornado who die are killed by flying debris or exposure to the winds themselves. They are struck by two by fours, walls, bricks, cars and appliances, not mention glass which acts like razor blades zipping along at 200 plus miles an hour. Any airborne particles and debris are bullets and missiles in the violent winds. People caught outside literally have their flesh sandblasted off of them by sand, dirt and pebbles.

Being crushed by falling walls, masonry and roofs are secondary causes of death in a tornado.

Therefore:

Basement or cellar or lowest possible floor of house is best.

Get under a sturdy table or bench also, under a staircase in the basement or lowest floor is good too. Better to be buried and be dug out after a time than killed outright by flying or collapsing structures.

The Southwest or corner of building the tornado is coming from is a MYTH. Oftentimes the swirling wind will dump an entire structure in the corners of a basement. Center of basement under a heavy table is best, even better under a table near any support corners or posts.

If there is no basement or cellar get into an interior room on the lowest floor of the house.

Rule of thumb is to put as many walls between you and the tornado - away from windows. Often you will see survivors in ranch homes where the interior bathrooms and closets are the only things left standing. Pipes in the bathroom add extra reinforcement - so getting in the tub is not a bad idea either.

ABANDON mobile homes and cars for cellars or a ditch. Cover head with arms and hands. The worst possible place to be is in a mobile home or car. My neighbor was killed in a tornado in his mobile home last year, his place was picked up before he even knew there was a tornado and it was slammed into a bunch of trees - trapping him in a mangled wreck that was on fire due to his propane tank spewing flame on the wreckage. He burned to death before we could get him out. His home was sent sailing nearly a quarter mile from where it was.

Leave a mobile home, car or trailer for a cellar, sturdier shelter, ditch or culvert.

Opening windows is also a myth. opening windows just provides the wind an opportunity to fill the house and peel the roof off or blow the walls out easier.

Getting behind masonry or brick walls is also very dangerous. High winds can topple a brick or masonry wall right on top of you and you will be crushed.

Never try to outrun a tornado ala the movie Twister. You will die. Either your car will become an airborne missile or something will smash into it. Cars are tossed around like tin foil even in weak tornadoes, and the remnants of cars after an F-3 wrapped around poles and trees are mangled far worse than any collisions on the roadways.

It is also a MYTH to get under a viaduct during a tornado if caught in your car. This is due a famous bit of footage in 1991 where a news crew and family in Kansas was hit dead on by an F-0 tornado - and they survived. An F-0 to F-1 are lightweight winds less than 120 MPH in comparison to the 125 - 318 MPH winds of many midwest tornadoes.

Many in Moore OK on May 3 1999 - were killed when they were sucked out of the viaducts and sandblasted to death. It's better to get BELOW ground - below flying debris to escape being struck by debris.

There are exceptions to every suggestion however, due to the unpredictable and ridiculously violent attributes of the winds. A multi-vortex tornado may contain two or more super violent funnels spinning around one another inside a larger funnel.

In large f-4 and f-5 tornadoes - where windspeeds are over 300 MPH - a prayer is sometimes the best protection. When I lived in Texas many years ago - a tornado literally scoured pavement off the road and sucked foundations right out of the ground.

ANY thunderstorm that grows to severe levels can produce a tornado. It does not necessarily need to be a Texas Supercell. Sometimes squall line thunderstorms can produce rapid and weak tornadoes.

My advice - we seem to be in a very active outbreak pattern. Get an NOAA weather radio and when storms are being forecast - keep an eye to the sky and an ear to the radio for watches and warnings. Seconds can literally mean life or death, and being ready to move to shelter quick when storms approach is the wisest counsel I can give.
 

Imaginethat!

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Dennis Olson said:
Two reasons:

- The ground is usually quite "damp" only a little under the surface, thus promoting flooded basements.

- No pipes will freeze in winter. Most northern homes have basements so the pipes stay warm.


All good points. Darn it! :lol:

IT!
 

hitssquad

Inactive
The real reason northern homes have basements

Dennis Olson said:
Most northern homes have basements so the pipes stay warm.
Basements are typical for northern homes because the threat of frost-heave requires footers to extend below the frost line and once a foundation is that low it is not too much more trouble to form it into a complete basement. There is no longer a frost-heave incentive to put basements in homes, however:
http://oikos.com/esb/43/foundations.html
 
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