DEEP STATE Fears grow that Trump will use the military in ‘dictatorial ways’ if he returns to the White House

[Countrymouse]

Do they mean, like THEY did, on January 6 and since?

 

[Redleg]

Sucks for them to get payback for what they did and now they are worried. Good.
Trumps second term, doesn't have to worry about getting re-elected again so have at it.

 

[packyderms_wife]

The legion of unelected bureaucratic foot draggers and staffers have immense power, unfortunately- and nothing like a low level nobody with no real power to enthusiastically put their thumb on the scale and derail a system.

This^^^

 

[stop tyranny]

Fears of Trump ruling as a dictator while the current illegitimate administration has ruled through executive orders and administrative policies without passing any laws to unconstitutionally infringe on almost every aspect of our rights and freedoms.

Not to mention their acts of treason in openly supporting a foreign invasion of America, The purge of military leaders who support and defend our Constitution, The support of foreign nations / states hostile to American citizens best interest, The devaluation of our fiat currency, and the implementation of policies designed to intentionally make America energy dependent to foreign nations / states hostile to America.

 

[subnet]

They are going to tie his hands how? POTUS is the head of the military.

Not if the higher ranks of the mil (politicians) refuse to follow his orders ...
Obama purged them for a reason

 

[ExCop]

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Report: Establishment Plots Military Coup Against Trump if Reelected

The plot highlights the extent to which the establishment fears Donald Trump's potential return to the White House.

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Report: Establishment Plots Military Coup Against Donald Trump if Reelected​

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The establishment is reportedly in the beginning stages of plotting what appears to be a military coup against former President Donald Trump if voters reelect him as commander-in-chief.
The plot highlights the extent to which the establishment fears Trump’s potential return to power. If Trump wins reelection, he vowed to deconstruct the administrative state — the apparatus of unelected bureaucrats who create binding rules with, without, or against the law.

“racing” for Trump’s victory amid positive polling, the coup would appear under the guise of Trump allegedly converting “the nonpartisan U.S. military into the muscular arm of his political agenda,” NBC News reported Sunday.

The establishment worries “there may be nothing stopping a president from mobilizing the military to intervene in elections, police American streets or quash domestic protests” and that “the military’s role is unique in that soldiers and sailors are trained to obey the commander-in-chief but are told not to follow illegal orders.”

The establishment’s reported coup includes “legal action” against Trump and “quietly devising plans to try to foil any efforts to expand presidential power, which could include pressuring the military to cater to his political needs.”

• “We’re already starting to put together a team to think through the most damaging types of things that he [Trump] might do so that we’re ready to bring lawsuits if we have to,” Mary McCord, executive director of the Institution for Constitutional Advocacy and Protection at Georgetown Law, told NBC News.
• “He’s going to be one creative motherf—– when it comes to trying to figure out how to abuse it [power]. Whatever your guess is, open up your imagination a little more,” Rep. Adam Smith (D-WA) told the outlet.
• “He’s a clear and present danger to our democracy,” added William Cohen, a former Republican senator from Maine and defense secretary in the Clinton administration. “His support is solid. And I don’t think people understand what living in a dictatorship would mean.”

Republicans are highly critical of the plot, suggesting it would be an unconstitutional coup against the president. “NBC reports the left is plotting ways to have [the] military not be under civilian control,” Fox News contributor Molly Hemingway posted on X. “This dangerous and unconstitutional usurpation of power is being framed by NBC as good because it will undermine Trump if he is freely and fairly elected by Americans.”
Sean Davis, CEO of the Federalist, said Democrats will justify immoral acts against Trump to preserve their power. “Whenever Democrats accuse Trump of doing something, it’s a guarantee that Democrats are planning to do that very thing against Trump,” he said. “Which means Democrats are preparing to use the military to steal the 2024 election and prevent their opponents from lawfully taking power.”

Far-leftist organizations, many law firms, federal agency bureaucrats, and establishment lawmakers comprise the administrative state. Trump refers to the administrative state as the “swamp” and the “deep state.”

The administrative state uses its rule-making ability to essentially usurp the separation of powers between the three branches of government by creating a so-called fourth branch of government not created by the Constitution.
“We will demolish the deep state,” Trump said at a Michigan rally in June.
“We will expel the warmongers from our government. We will drive out the globalists. We will cast out the communists, Marxists and fascists. And we will throw off the sick political class that hates our country,” he added.
Wendell Husebo is a political reporter with Breitbart News and a former GOP War Room Analyst. He is the author of Politics of Slave Morality. Follow Wendell on “X” @WendellHusebø or on Truth Social@WendellHusebo.

 

[AddisonRose]

I'm counting on it. Actions have consequences. And I think we've seen enough.

 

[somewherepress]

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[Babs]

Hey ya'll- suck on this:

A DANGEROUS NEW RELIGION. New book entitled “President Donald J. Trump, The Son of Man – The Christ.”
Last week a writer named Helgard Muller published a new book on Amazon titled “President Donald J. Trump, The Son of Man – The Christ.” No, this is not satire. Even the Kindle version of the book is $17.76, so I read the book, so you don’t have to! Before I get into the meat of the message in the 326-page book, I must note that as religiously sincere as the writer seems to be, he writes with the skill of your average high school student. Despite that, he is perfectly clear that he believes Donald Trump is the Messiah for America. Let me quote him from the book’s introduction:

“PRESIDENT DONALD J. Trump is the King of Kings, And Lord of Lords! The Son of Man who will be seen seated in the place of power at God's right hand and coming on the clouds of heaven! You have read that correctly! President Donald Trump is the Christ for this age! The Son of King David! Prophecies of Jesus and all the prophets point to President Donald J. Trump as the Son of Man, the Christ. People, Christians, and Jews are not aware of how many prophecies President Donald Trump of the United States has fulfilled in his presidency as the Son of Man.” Because I try to limit these columns to 1,000 words, I’ll just summarize that Muller attempts to make the case that Trump was sent to earth by God as “The Son of Man,” with a very specific role to play in an end of the world scenario. I’ll get back to this idea shortly.

So, biblically, who is the Son of Man? Well, Jesus did you use the term, with a very specific meaning. The Son of Man is one who is coming to ultimately judge mankind at the end of history and bring about the apocalypse, ending the world as we know it and destroying all bad guys who oppose God and are oppressing God’s people. The result would be that after this judgement, this Son of Man would create heaven on earth, a new kingdom with God ruling directly.

If you are interested, this concept comes from Daniel 7:13-14 in the Hebrew bible. There is disagreement among Jewish scholars about exactly what the passage means, but Jesus’ view is not unique. And Jesus, according to the Bible, implied that he was both the Messiah and the Son of Man when he came to earth. So, most Christians believe that when Jesus comes back, he will be coming back in the role of the Son of Man, to initiate Armageddon, having already fulfilled the role of Son of God and Savior.

So, let’s tie it all together. Trump supporters, who are buying into this new religion, believe that he is Jesus returned in his capacity as Son of Man, that American is in a new covenant with God, that American is the New Israel, and that Trump is the Messiah of New Israel. The logic of this new religion is that Jesus cannot be the Son of Man because he never led the nation of Israel, which is a biblical precondition of being the Son of Man. Trump was the leader of the United States, the New Israel in their belief, so must be the Son of Man spoken of in the Bible.

This is a rapidly growing theology among Trumps supporters. And it is dangerous.

Yes, it based in utter fantasy. But if you are part of a religion that believes that your flesh and blood leader, Donald Trump, is the actual Messiah, the Son of Man come to light the fuse that kicks off the apocalypse, then you are waiting with excitement for that leader to give you the command to start the war.

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I would be more inclined to believe that this guy is really a leftist that has been consigned to put this book out there, to scare the hell out of the left and any middle roaders who are easily manipulated.

 

[155 arty]

Fears grow that Trump will use the military in ‘dictatorial ways’ if he returns to the White House​

By Peter Nicholas, Katherine Doyle, Megan Lebowitz and Courtney Kube​

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Jan. 14, 2024, 6:00 AM CST

WASHINGTON — Donald Trump is sparking fears among those who understand the inner workings of the Pentagon that he would convert the nonpartisan U.S. military into the muscular arm of his political agenda as he makes comments about dictatorship and devalues the checks and balances that underpin the nation’s two-century-old democracy.
A circle of appointees independent of Trump’s political operation steered him away from ideas that would have pushed the limits of presidential power in his last term, according to books they’ve written and testimony given to Congress. Most were gone by the end. In a new term, many former officials worry that Trump would instead surround himself with loyalists unwilling to say no.
Trump has raised fresh questions about his intentions if he regains power by putting forward a legal theory that a president would be free to do nearly anything with impunity — including assassinate political rivals — so long as Congress can’t muster the votes to impeach him and throw him out of office.

Now, bracing for Trump’s potential return, a loose-knit network of public interest groups and lawmakers is quietly devising plans to try to foil any efforts to expand presidential power, which could include pressuring the military to cater to his political needs.
Those taking part in the effort told NBC News they are studying Trump’s past actions and 2024 policy positions so that they will be ready if he wins in November. That involves preparing to take legal action and send letters to Trump appointees spelling out consequences they’d face if they undermine constitutional norms.
“We’re already starting to put together a team to think through the most damaging types of things that he [Trump] might do so that we’re ready to bring lawsuits if we have to,” said Mary McCord, executive director of the Institution for Constitutional Advocacy and Protection at Georgetown Law.

Part of the aim is to identify like-minded organizations and create a coalition to challenge Trump from day one, those taking part in the discussions said. Some participants are combing through policy papers being crafted for a future conservative administration. They’re also watching the interviews that Trump allies are giving to the press for clues to how a Trump sequel would look.
Other participants include Democracy Forward, an organization that took the Trump administration to court more than 100 times during his administration, and Protect Democracy, an anti-authoritarian group.
“We are preparing for litigation and preparing to use every tool in the toolbox that our democracy provides to provide the American people an ability to fight back,” said Skye Perryman, president of Democracy Forward. “We believe this is an existential moment for American democracy and it’s incumbent on everybody to do their part.”
America’s commander-in-chief has vast powers at his disposal — some well-known, others not so much. Some lawmakers and pro-democracy advocates worry there may be nothing stopping a president from mobilizing the military to intervene in elections, police American streets or quash domestic protests.

Wary of Trump’s staying power — he is running about even with President Joe Biden in the polls — Democratic lawmakers already known to be adversarial to Trump are working on a parallel track.
Among the least-understood tools available to a president is the Insurrection Act. Vaguely worded, it gives a president considerable discretion in deciding what constitutes an uprising and when it is OK to deploy active-duty military in response, experts say.
Some lawmakers on Capitol Hill worry that Trump might invoke the act to involve the armed forces in the face of domestic protests or if the midterm elections don’t go his way.
Sen. Richard Blumenthal, D-Conn., is crafting a bill that would clarify the act and give Congress and the courts some say in its use. Its chances of passage are slim given that Republicans control the House and are largely loyal to Trump.
“There are an array of horrors that could result from Donald Trump’s unrestricted use of the Insurrection Act,” Blumenthal said in an interview. “A malignantly motivated president could use it in a vast variety of dictatorial ways unless at some point the military itself resisted what they deemed to be an unlawful order. But that places a very heavy burden on the military.”

Trump’s vow to seek “retribution” on behalf of those he says have been “wronged” and “betrayed” has sparked fears that he would use presidential powers more broadly as a cudgel against political foes. Compounding the anxiety, he remarked at a Fox News town hall last month that he would be a “dictator” — though only on his first day in office for the purposes of closing the border and drilling for oil. He later posted on his social media site that he had made that remark “in a joking manner.” More recently, Trump told a Fox News town hall in Iowa that “I’m not going to have time for retribution.”
Detractors aren’t buying it.
“He’s a clear and present danger to our democracy,” said William Cohen, a former Republican senator from Maine and defense secretary in the Clinton administration who is not involved in the loose-knit network. “His support is solid. And I don’t think people understand what living in a dictatorship would mean.”
Sent a list of questions about the fears recounted in this article, Trump’s campaign did not respond.

‘The same lessons Lincoln learned’​

Trump’s legal troubles offer new insights into his vision of a presidency that has shed restraints. Not even bribery or murder could land a president in jail so long as Congress didn’t first impeach and convict him, under a legal theory his lawyers advanced in a federal appeals court hearing Tuesday.
Trump is facing charges for attempting to overturn the 2020 election results. In his defense, his legal team contends that in trying to reverse Biden’s victory, Trump fell within the “outer perimeter” of his official duties and is thus shielded from prosecution.
Where does such reasoning lead? In the hearing, which Trump attended, one judge sketched ominous scenarios about what a president might do under that notion of broad presidential immunity.

Judge Florence Pan asked one of Trump’s lawyers whether a president could, for example, sell military secrets or order the elite SEAL Team 6 to assassinate a political rival with impunity under the legal argument.
“He would have to be impeached and convicted first,” replied Trump’s lawyer, Dean John Sauer.
In an interview, Rep. Adam Smith, the top Democrat on the House Armed Services Committee, said of Trump: “He’s going to be one creative motherf----- when it comes to trying to figure out how to abuse it [power]. Whatever your guess is, open up your imagination a little more.”

In the last term, Trump’s generals and civilian advisers proved to be a restraining influence: They’d tell him when he had a bad idea. And for a while, Trump seemed to take seriously the advice coming from aides with a military pedigree. “My generals,” he called them. Relations soured as time passed. One by one, most quit or were fired. A new team may not be so quick to cross him.
“The same lesson Lincoln learned in his first two or three years are the lessons that President Trump learned: Just because a guy has a title and uniform doesn’t mean anything,” Steve Bannon, a Trump ally and former senior White House official, said in an interview.
Soon after the 2020 election, as Trump was refusing to concede defeat, he upended the Pentagon leadership, firing Defense Secretary Mark Esper even though at that point he was a lame duck with just over two months left in the term.
The upheaval was jarring, recalled Mark Milley, then-chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, in an interview with the House committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, attack on the U.S. Capitol.
In its final written report, the committee wrote that “some at the [Defense] Department had genuine concerns, counseling caution, that President Trump might give an illegal order to use the military in support of his efforts to overturn the election.”

‘A new sheriff in town’​

Plenty of rank-and-file members of the armed forces appear sympathetic to Trump’s cause. George Washington University’s program on extremism found that more than 150 of the nearly 1,200 people who were charged with crimes for the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol came from a military background.
“The military is hundreds of thousands of people strong, and ultimately Trump will find people to follow his legal orders no matter what,” said a former senior official who served in the Trump administration, speaking on condition of anonymity to talk freely.
“The Insurrection Act is a legal order, and if he orders it there will be military officers, especially younger men and women, who will follow that legal order,” the former official added.

In policy videos posted to his website, Trump said he would provide “record funding for our military.” He faulted Biden for enacting “woke policies” that are hampering military recruitment and said he would flush out what he called “Marxism,” “communism” and “fascists.”
Trump’s allies say there is little doubt that he would make the military a particular focus.
“The Pentagon is going to be a super high priority, and they have to understand there will be a new sheriff in town,” Bannon said. “You’re going to see a massive housecleaning at the Pentagon. President Trump wants to put in a philosophy of how to win wars.”

‘Like any good dictator’​

As president, Trump was both fascinated by the military’s capabilities and frustrated by advisers who tried to dissuade him from carrying out plans they deemed ill-advised. Esper wrote in his memoir, “A Sacred Oath,” that in an Oval Office meeting, Trump inquired about having U.S. soldiers shoot domestic protesters in the legs. Esper wrote that his reaction to Trump’s suggestion was one of “utter disgust.”

A couple of times in 2020, Esper wrote, Trump broached the idea of firing missiles into Mexico to destroy illegal drug labs. Esper told Trump that would be an act of war; Trump replied that the U.S. would deny involvement, Esper wrote.
From left, Gen. Mark Milley, then the incoming chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Vice President Mike Pence, President Donald Trump, Defense Secretary Mark Esper and Gen. Joseph Dunford, then the outgoing chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, at Summerall Field, Joint Base Myer-Henderson, Va., in 2019.Brendan Smialowski / AFP via Getty Images file
“My sense was that Trump always came to the Defense Department to solve his toughest problems, such as building a wall on the border, handling protesters in America’s streets, and dealing with Covid,” Esper said in an interview. “He kept coming back to DOD because it is seen as an institution that gets things done. But in some situations, this can end up politicizing DOD if the military is asked to do things it shouldn’t be doing.”

Lawmakers like Blumenthal are taking steps akin to placing sandbags around a building before a hurricane hits. They’ve made it tougher for a president to pull out of the NATO military alliance, for example. Unhappy that many NATO countries weren’t ponying up enough for defense, Trump had considered dropping out of the post-World War II alliance, his former national security adviser John Bolton wrote in his book, “The Room Where It Happened.”
Trying to pull out of NATO won’t be so easy next time around. Last month, Biden signed a $886 billion defense bill that bars a president from unilaterally withdrawing from NATO, a move that could stymie Trump’s 2024 campaign pledge to “fundamentally” reevaluate “NATO’s purpose and NATO’s mission.”
“A second Trump term would be day after day of constitutional crisis — the Justice Department one day, the Pentagon the next and Homeland Security the next,” Bolton said in an interview. “It would be unremitting.”
The military’s role is unique in that soldiers and sailors are trained to obey the commander-in-chief but are told not to follow illegal orders.

Things get murky when an order comes down in the category of “lawful but awful,” as some military experts describe it. There were a few of those in the last term, former Trump appointees say, that they managed to beat back.
While Trump never invoked the Insurrection Act, he believed the protests in the summer of 2020 surrounding the George Floyd killing made the U.S. look “weak” and wanted the military to quash the demonstrations, former appointees said.
Sending troops into American streets is often a bad idea, military experts say, pointing to the sort of tragedy that unfolded at Kent State University in 1970 when National Guardsmen shot and killed four students protesting the Vietnam War.
In his appearance before the congressional Jan. 6 committee, Milley said that there was “significant pressure on Secretary Esper to deploy forces” to deal with the 2020 racial justice protests.
Trump’s subordinates deflected such demands from the president. But in a new term, critics expect he’ll surround himself with loyalists determined to carry out his commands, whatever their merit.
“Like any good dictator, he’s going to try to use the military to basically perform his will,” said Leon Panetta, former defense secretary and CIA director in the Obama administration.

They oppose it because it most likely is justified!!!!!!

 

[Blacknarwhal]

All of this stuff about Trump declaring martial law is demonic contracting- telling you the truth so that they have your consent to kill you. It is kabuki theater, professional wrestling and total warfare with liars on all sides using the truth to destroy mankind. They are all devils. They live.

That...makes no sense. They tell you the truth...so this somehow gives them approval? So if I went up to them and said I was going to take all their money, they couldn't come after me later because they consented because I told them the truth?

 

[AlfaMan]

I wasn't pleased to require that much effort to post it, either, but ultimately decided sharing PROOF OF PLANNING TREASON was worth a wee bit o' being inconvenienced o'er.

Thank you for posting a very informative article. It's good to know what the enemy is planning (treason) and when they're planning it (the second Pres. Trump wins the 2024 election). The article is a great source of open source intelligence into the workings of the shadowier elements of the communist/Democrat party.

And after reading the article, all I can say is this-

I SINCERELY hope President Trump exacts the "retribution" he has discussed previously. In the form of "night of the Long Knives", if you're familiar with it. Against these communists that are hellbent on tearing the country apart at the seams. Against these floods of illegals. Against the DEI and BLM crowd. Against the militant communist political leaders. Lock down the borders. Take EVERY SINGLE illegal and remove them from this country. Any anchor babies? Them too. Oh and don't forget the "dreamers". Force them all at gunpoint back across the border back to their third world sh*tholes they have never seen. They don't belong here and If they don't comply, shoot them. Yes, I said it. Gun them down. Send the bodies to the farmers in the midwest, process them as fertilizer.

Except for just one night, make it a week or so. Do it by executive order, do it by arrests. Frankly, do it using rendition techniques and black sites in Eastern Europe. And if former communist political officers start washing up on the shores of the Potomac river minus ears and noses, I'm ok with it too.

America needs a deep spring cleaning. And it needs to be done soon. And "retribution" would be an ideal way to do it.

 

[Publius]

He did not do it on the first go around what makes them think he will on his second term in office?
The president can only use military force in our country when certain conditions are met and getting all the boxes checked is a tall order to meet.

 

[john70]

bs

 

[Lone_Hawk]

Honestly, we are all acting like all of this is some flashing new thing. The reality is that this kind of stuff has been going on for well over 80 years. The parties tried to keep it low key and just control who the candidates are in the 1st place.

Nation States have been doing it since long before Christ was born. We do it to other countries, they do the same to us. One of the reasons that Reagan scared the hell out of the USSR, they just couldn't figure out how he would react or what he would do and his actions in office didn't match even their best estimates. And Russians do not like surprises, it is a cultural thing.

So, 1st let us consider them floating the bumping off Trump chatter. They are hoping that he would just say "screw it, it isn't worth it." and he quits. Hell, it worked for a while with Perot. Give it a shot.

So let's consider their evaluation loops of what a 2nd Trump term would look like. Trump was a virgin the 1st time around, and he got sucked into doing some really stupid things looking back in hindsight. But he isn't a novice this time, what is Trump really willing to do? Well, even in his 1st term he was amazingly successful in getting election promises done, and politicians just really don't care what lies they have to tell and babies they have to kiss to get elected. They are almost all political hoes.

But, he is very determined to do what he promises, it is a base part of his ethos.
As a builder he says that he will build your building, to spec, at a specific cost, then does it. He might have to get creative at times, but that the nature of the business and he brings that to the Presidency. So yeah, the Marxist are all looking at each other and still saying, "He wouldn't really do that, would he? Can he?" And their only answer is, yeap, Trump would do that, and that is when the real panty twisting starts. That is what we are seeing.

I love it. I hope their liquor budget is 1000x what it was in 2020.

 

[CaryC]

Thank you for posting a very informative article. It's good to know what the enemy is planning (treason) and when they're planning it (the second Pres. Trump wins the 2024 election). The article is a great source of open source intelligence into the workings of the shadowier elements of the communist/Democrat party.

And after reading the article, all I can say is this-

I SINCERELY hope President Trump exacts the "retribution" he has discussed previously. In the form of "night of the Long Knives", if you're familiar with it. Against these communists that are hellbent on tearing the country apart at the seams. Against these floods of illegals. Against the DEI and BLM crowd. Against the militant communist political leaders. Lock down the borders. Take EVERY SINGLE illegal and remove them from this country. Any anchor babies? Them too. Oh and don't forget the "dreamers". Force them all at gunpoint back across the border back to their third world sh*tholes they have never seen. They don't belong here and If they don't comply, shoot them. Yes, I said it. Gun them down. Send the bodies to the farmers in the midwest, process them as fertilizer.

Except for just one night, make it a week or so. Do it by executive order, do it by arrests. Frankly, do it using rendition techniques and black sites in Eastern Europe. And if former communist political officers start washing up on the shores of the Potomac river minus ears and noses, I'm ok with it too.

America needs a deep spring cleaning. And it needs to be done soon. And "retribution" would be an ideal way to do it.

I could almost get behind your thought of the "night of long knives". EXCEPT for one thing: Once a purge starts it doesn't stop until it reaches total Tyranny. Hitler didn't stop. And in our case Stalin may be a more fitting idol, who didn't stop either, and was partly the reason for the Russian Army being in such bad shape when WWII hit.

And we shouldn't put it past Trump to do the same thing. Never forget power corrupt, and total power corrupts totally.

We, the US are in a total mess for sure. How to fix it? Preach the Gospel, the true Gospel, the way it was during the First and 2nd Great Awakening. Change the heart of the people, and the heart of the nation will change. MSNBC is already worried that Christians voting in the Iowa Caucus are the really bad guys.

So let's be the bad guys, and preach from the roof tops, and on the street corners, pass out tracs, witness, etc....

But I fear the hour is late, and it won't matter. We are to near the end times, and are looking for some one who will come in their own name instead of the Lord's. Who I don't think is Trump.