WTF?!? Fascinating Selective Service record
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fairbanksb
Freedom Isn't Free
You just leaving it at that. Not saying what or whose is so fascinating? No links? Nothing?
fairbanksb
Freedom Isn't Free
There are at least two of us that will admit it. I figure it is about Trump but I was expecting an article or link or something..He must have received a college defermint. Maybe he ran off to Canada. Now that would be juicy.
JohnGaltfla
#NeverTrump
4 college deferments (2S) then after school in 1972 when college deferments were suspended a "mysterious" medical ailment provided by mommy and daddy's doctor(1Y & 4F). Just sayin'.
fairbanksb
Freedom Isn't Free
Thanx JG. Victory is sweet. At least for one niight.
JGF, You know, we usually provide links for things we post; do you happen to have one for the service record? I'd like to see if there is another page telling what the remarks were.
I suspect you already know that he had bone spurs on both heels. When he had the 4-F issue taken care of, he did go on ahead and enter the draft... even though he was not pro-Vietnam war. But hey, why bother with those pesky details, right?
BTW, while you were digging around, did you happen to find any of Cruz's military records? I'm curious to see those, too.
I suspect you already know that he had bone spurs on both heels. When he had the 4-F issue taken care of, he did go on ahead and enter the draft... even though he was not pro-Vietnam war. But hey, why bother with those pesky details, right?
BTW, while you were digging around, did you happen to find any of Cruz's military records? I'm curious to see those, too.
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gawarriorqueen
WWG1WGA
Ted Cruz never served in the military. Where's his Selective Service record? Did his Canadian birth mean he was not required to register for the draft?
cuz1961
Membership Revoked
CUZ FOR CRUZ !!!
Ill admit it /-)
(i still might vote for trump if he gets nominated,,, that is if i dont get
mobbed and beaten to death by a bunch of cant be reasoned with hate filled trump supporters first /-)
workerbee
* Winter is Coming *
Josie
Has No Life - Lives on TB
Really? The hate I have seen is coming either from the democrat supporters or Cruz supporters. If you don't believe me, just listen to Glen Beck's radio show. Beck is a rabid Cruz supporter and he HATES all things Trump. I can't listen to him at all no days...not even by accident.
gawarriorqueen
WWG1WGA
Still waiting to see Cruz's Selective Service record.
thompson
Certa Bonum Certamen
Still waiting for Cruz's records to be unsealed.
Be Well
may all be well
Still waiting to see Cruz' US citizen documents and documents showing if his mother took Canadian citizenship or not.
packyderms_wife
Neither here nor there.
Or whether or not Cruz's mommy was working for the company while she was living in Canada? Cause if she wasn't then he's not qualified for POTUS since she wasn't a part of the diplomatic corps or a member of the US military during the time she lived there.
gawarriorqueen
WWG1WGA
Is JGF still looking for Cruz's records?
I gave up waiting for JGF to reply and did a little searching.
April 2015
From The Birther Report:
The Post & Email Obtains Ted Cruz’s Selective Service Registration “AUTOMATED RECORD” RELEASED
by Sharon Rondeau
Read more at http://www.birtherreport.com/2015/0...-ted-cruzs-selective.html#gfiZErOTM5YKz33I.99
Through a recent Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request, The Post & Email obtained a copy of presidential candidate Sen. Ted Cruz’s Selective Service registration with an explanatory letter from Richard S. Flavahan, Associate Director of Public & Intergovernmental Affairs.
...
The News additionally reported that Cruz’s mother “registered his birth with the U.S. consulate” and that Cruz traveled on a U.S. passport in 1986 while on a high school trip. However, no documentation supporting the claims was presented.
...
Registration with the Selective Service is mandatory for all U.S.-citizen males, permanent residents, “undocumented immigrants,” and “refugees” are also required to register before they turn 26.
U.S. citizens possessing dual citizenship with another country are also required to register unless certain conditions are present.
Today, the U.S. State Department recommends that American parents whose child is born outside of the United States file a Consular Report of Birth Abroad (CRBA) with the nearest U.S. consulate in their country of residence so as to render the obtaining of a U.S. passport or other proof of citizenship uncomplicated.
In speaking with an attorney experienced in U.S. immigration law approximately one month ago, The Post & Email was told that it is not mandatory that a CRBA be filed to prove U.S. citizenship for a child born outside the U.S.
FOIA requests filed with the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) resulted in the release of 116 pages of memos and letters Cruz signed while he served as Policy Director between 2001 and early 2003. The Post & Email additionally asked for any application forms Cruz might have completed to obtain the position as well as performance reviews but was told that those are protected from disclosure through exemption 6(b).
U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) denied The Post & Email’s request for Cruz’s naturalization documents if, in fact, they exist, based on privacy exemptions despite his declared presidential candidate status.
Our request to the Selective Service System asked for a copy of Cruz’s “Selective Service registration form and accompanying DNS record.”
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Note: There is a copy of the automated record at the site; it says there is no registration form because Mr. Cruz was registered from a Pell Grant application form provided by the US Dept of Education... He registered March 24, 1989.
Ted was born on December 22, 1970 and the law gives 30 days beyond the 18th birth date. So he was 2 months late registering. Which was probably ok, except one of the commenters at the site wondered about the Pell peoples' lax scrutiny of the legal requirements.
Another person wondered how the SS registration impacted the dual Canadian citizenship issue.
Not that I think any of it will make any difference but I still find it all kind of fascinating.
There's more at the site
http://www.birtherreport.com/2015/04/revealed-us-senator-ted-cruzs-selective.html
April 2015
From The Birther Report:
The Post & Email Obtains Ted Cruz’s Selective Service Registration “AUTOMATED RECORD” RELEASED
by Sharon Rondeau
Read more at http://www.birtherreport.com/2015/0...-ted-cruzs-selective.html#gfiZErOTM5YKz33I.99
Through a recent Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request, The Post & Email obtained a copy of presidential candidate Sen. Ted Cruz’s Selective Service registration with an explanatory letter from Richard S. Flavahan, Associate Director of Public & Intergovernmental Affairs.
...
The News additionally reported that Cruz’s mother “registered his birth with the U.S. consulate” and that Cruz traveled on a U.S. passport in 1986 while on a high school trip. However, no documentation supporting the claims was presented.
...
Registration with the Selective Service is mandatory for all U.S.-citizen males, permanent residents, “undocumented immigrants,” and “refugees” are also required to register before they turn 26.
U.S. citizens possessing dual citizenship with another country are also required to register unless certain conditions are present.
Today, the U.S. State Department recommends that American parents whose child is born outside of the United States file a Consular Report of Birth Abroad (CRBA) with the nearest U.S. consulate in their country of residence so as to render the obtaining of a U.S. passport or other proof of citizenship uncomplicated.
In speaking with an attorney experienced in U.S. immigration law approximately one month ago, The Post & Email was told that it is not mandatory that a CRBA be filed to prove U.S. citizenship for a child born outside the U.S.
FOIA requests filed with the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) resulted in the release of 116 pages of memos and letters Cruz signed while he served as Policy Director between 2001 and early 2003. The Post & Email additionally asked for any application forms Cruz might have completed to obtain the position as well as performance reviews but was told that those are protected from disclosure through exemption 6(b).
U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) denied The Post & Email’s request for Cruz’s naturalization documents if, in fact, they exist, based on privacy exemptions despite his declared presidential candidate status.
Our request to the Selective Service System asked for a copy of Cruz’s “Selective Service registration form and accompanying DNS record.”
*************************
Note: There is a copy of the automated record at the site; it says there is no registration form because Mr. Cruz was registered from a Pell Grant application form provided by the US Dept of Education... He registered March 24, 1989.
Ted was born on December 22, 1970 and the law gives 30 days beyond the 18th birth date. So he was 2 months late registering. Which was probably ok, except one of the commenters at the site wondered about the Pell peoples' lax scrutiny of the legal requirements.
Another person wondered how the SS registration impacted the dual Canadian citizenship issue.
Not that I think any of it will make any difference but I still find it all kind of fascinating.
There's more at the site
http://www.birtherreport.com/2015/04/revealed-us-senator-ted-cruzs-selective.html
Be Well
may all be well
No matter what she was doing, his father was a foreign national plus he was born in Canada so he cannot be a NBC. If he is a US citizen is the question, people should read the research into Canadian law on the Oh Oh thread.
Oh Oh... Cruz and Canadian Citizenship
http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/showthread.php?484288-Oh-Oh...-Cruz-and-Canadian-Citizenship
Trumps selective service classifications are interesting.
He starts out 2-S which is a student deferment. The he goes to 1-A which is fully fit for military service. (must not have been in school at that time)
Then back to 2-S student deferment. Then back to 1-A fit for military service because he was probably out of college.
Then it gets interesting....
He gets 1-Y classification which means he's only fit for military service during an actual war or national emergency.
Finally he goes to 4-F which mean he's unfit for any military service at all, even during time of war.
That 4-F seems to be his final classification.
Sure would be interesting to know the reason for that...
Then goes to 2-S which is a student deferment.
Me... I've always wondered about Presidents who never served in the military in any way. Yet they still profess to love their country enough to run for political office.
I think such people aren't in it to serve their country. They just want power.
He starts out 2-S which is a student deferment. The he goes to 1-A which is fully fit for military service. (must not have been in school at that time)
Then back to 2-S student deferment. Then back to 1-A fit for military service because he was probably out of college.
Then it gets interesting....
He gets 1-Y classification which means he's only fit for military service during an actual war or national emergency.
Finally he goes to 4-F which mean he's unfit for any military service at all, even during time of war.
That 4-F seems to be his final classification.
Sure would be interesting to know the reason for that...
Then goes to 2-S which is a student deferment.
Me... I've always wondered about Presidents who never served in the military in any way. Yet they still profess to love their country enough to run for political office.
I think such people aren't in it to serve their country. They just want power.
packyderms_wife
Neither here nor there.
IIRC he had fractured heel spurs and something else wrong with one of his feet that would have kept him from serving at that time. I'm not sure what the rules are now about a soldiers feet if they still prevent you from joining if you're flat footed, have fractured heel spurs, or plantar fasciitis or not.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/pol...military-garb-dodging-draft-article-1.2298248
"Trump's campaign defended his military time Monday, saying in a statement he had "a minor medical deferment for bone spurs on both heels of his feet."
The deferment was supposed to be short-term, so Trump entered a draft and got the number 356 out of 365, the campaign said. His high number never got picked.
"Although he was not a fan of the Vietnam War, yet another disaster for our country, had his draft number been selected he would have proudly served and he is tremendously grateful to all those who did," the campaign said."
"Trump's campaign defended his military time Monday, saying in a statement he had "a minor medical deferment for bone spurs on both heels of his feet."
The deferment was supposed to be short-term, so Trump entered a draft and got the number 356 out of 365, the campaign said. His high number never got picked.
"Although he was not a fan of the Vietnam War, yet another disaster for our country, had his draft number been selected he would have proudly served and he is tremendously grateful to all those who did," the campaign said."
Monty
Veteran Member
I understand those who may prefer Trump to Cruz or vise-versa but I don't get the hatred by the candidates supporters for the opposing candidate. I see them as our two best choices and will gladly cast my vote for either one of them over any of the others. They are both so much better than the whole rest of the field.
I have to question the sanity of anyone who attacks one over the other with such malice.
I have to question the sanity of anyone who attacks one over the other with such malice.
Have you forgotten the other elections?
Be Well
may all be well
If you don't see the horrible flaws in Cruz then nothing anyone can say can help you. I assume you haven't read in depth about Cruz, seen his lies, etc. You should. Then you'd understand the animosity against him.
evenso
Veteran Member
Seriously? My Dad loved this country with every fiber of his being and yet was unable to serve during WW2 because of trouble with his feet. That was during war time!
Had Trump been a draft dodger, you would not see the 1-A on his record twice. He simply was never called.
JohnGaltfla
#NeverTrump
Right after Nixon eliminated the student deferment exemption, Trump developed a sudden foot ailment. Mommy and Daddy must have given him that heel $pur via the Doctor$ permi$$ion $lip.
You're so much fun, JGF. I just get to post all my pro-Trump stuff to my heart's delight thanks to you.
The deferment was supposed to be short-term, so Trump entered a draft and got the number 356 out of 365, the campaign said. His high number never got picked.
BTW, if you have the remarks page of Trump's papers, please post them. Or are you leaving them out intentionally?
The deferment was supposed to be short-term, so Trump entered a draft and got the number 356 out of 365, the campaign said. His high number never got picked.
BTW, if you have the remarks page of Trump's papers, please post them. Or are you leaving them out intentionally?