PREP Farming Skills vs Combat Skills (Good Point!- Padre Peter)
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Husband has combat skills I have the garden skills…. We all good in gardening seeds and supplies
Have him teach you some overwatch skills, back him up from a distance.
Hahaha! And like dogs, horses have some basic standards as to who they will consort and cooperate with.
If you are a clueless a-hole, a horse will smell it from a mile away and make you wish you hadn't tried.
QFT. I've had my share of "come to Jeeeesus" moments with rank stock on working ranches lol
I get a real chuckle out of articles like this. Most could not carry enough weight in food and a weapon more than twenty miles in one day, not even on a bicycle. The next two days they wouldn't be able to move from the exercise the first day. I am surrounded by large ranches with cattle. Single ranches with almost as many cattle on one ranch as there are people in the county. 120 miles from the next city of any size.
Starvation is a different animal that not many in this country have experienced. It's like running out of gas and if you are trying to move any distance at all with a heavy load in the cold or especially in the snow, I am pretty sure that 80%+ of Americans are going to be dead on their own within 50 miles.
intothatgoodnight
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One could always sit on a nearby curb, and wring one's hands in despair.
Or, not.
Feet work surprisingly well for short distances around barriers and blocked paths. What one may have beyond, once clear of major path impediments, could assist in covering greater distances in shorter time.
Got 'Plan A', which gets one to 'Plan B', etc., and out and away from jammed up city cores and exit paths?
Recall - curbside seating is ALWAYS a choice. But, is it the necessary choice?
Exfiltration is a state of mind. The herd is going to be herded - what direction do you wish to go?
intothegoodnight
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That's a great-looking setup. Re: trailers - you might want to consider a game cart as they're portable, lightweight and can carry some good loads. They are built for hauling by hand or bicycle but would be easily hitched to a motorcycle. What I've done with our two game carts is to fasten a padded battle belt with suspenders and a big buckle for quick detachment if necessary, and hands are always free.
The link below shows one model I have (on which I've upgraded the tires and tubes) which is designed to be put behind a bicycle. Our other one came from Sportsman's Guide. What I've discovered is that - if pulling manually is envisioned - there's a pretty significant difference among the trailers wrt a person's height. This one fits me well because I'm tall, but the one from Sportsman's Guide fits Mizz Walrus mo' bettah.
Rambo Aluminium Bike/Hand Cart
Blacknarwhal
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Feet also don't get you very far. Bear in mind that the slower this hypothetical horde travels, the more susceptible they are to exposure, thirst, and starvation, as well as misadventure.
Plain and simple, the horde in question isn't likely to make it out of the city alive. Attrition will wear it to a nub. That nub, however, will be very dangerous.
This is what I want
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Where I want to go is rough single track so that means all those guys on UTV and ATV won't be hunting where I'm hunting.
First curb you hit with a game cart at speed...it would explode
That's a good setup even though the load-carrying ability isn't rated as highly IIRC. It'd be great behind a motorcycle, though, like you say the smaller width gives you more space to wiggle through.
My wife is out hunting right now. All I have to do is walk out my door. They did not come into the alfalfa last night so I am in no hurry.
I put out 1000 lb. bales up here. Most these people road hunt any more. I can sit on my deck wait for a couple shots and pretty much know where to go.
bracketquant
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Caplock is not on this thread. Could you point out where that quote is?
CRIME - Excitement in the neighborhood
I was sitting in my livingroom watching tv this evening when I heard gunshots outside. I ran to the door in time to see someone run and jump into a white truck and it took off to the west. Neighbor was out in his shorts and teeshirt with 2 pistols and his AR 15 ready to defend his family...
Oops sorry, wrong one, here ya go
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intothatgoodnight
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Yup.
An example of what could be, for some escaping city/suburban dwellers. Very effective/capable, in the right hands.
intothegoodnight
intothatgoodnight
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One problem with using a game cart behind a motorcycle has to do with the wheel bearings/lubrication of the game cart wheels.
A game cart running behind a motorcycle is going to really spin the wheel bearings - even at 20 MPH - compared to being towed behind a bicycle, or a walking person.
One or two wheel trailers that are designed to track correctly behind a motorcycle are a different animal of intent - wheel bearings/wheels/tires + possibly a suspension maker higher speed towing a breeze, comparatively.
Obviously, in a pinch, one would use whatever is available - and adapt - keeping a close eye on lesser rolling stock/wheels/tires/bearings and lube when pulling with a motorcycle.
KFHunter's rig is ideal for quick, big-mile exits, and can run along barely visible deer/goat trails on steep terrain - or blast down back-country blacktop (meaning off of major highways), with random cross-country positioning adventures mixed in - need to hop a guardrail? Can do. Cross a water-way? Entirely possible.
Obviously, only SOME could consider such - but for those who have the experience - even if dated, and from long ago - a light (200 LBS +/-) off-road capable motorcycle is a good choice.
Or a small, personal sized, 4-stroke ATV.
Or, a horse.
intothegoodnight
Raiding the harvest -- would the average or even above average raider know what to do with corn or soybeans or oats from the storage bins? Even wheat requires a grinder and knowledge to bake bread. Soybeans require a lot of processing to become food. Corn needs to be ground at minimum for cornbread or mush. Corn and soy are in hundreds if not thousands of foods but and its a big but only with extreme processing.
When preparing for y2k I purchased wheat berries and my late dh said someone would just steal them. I said how many people would even know what they were?
For those escaping cities, where do you plan to go? Getting out is one thing, but having nowhere to go does not do a lot for a person. In such a situation, you're more likely to be shot than welcomed anywhere.
When preparing for y2k I purchased wheat berries and my late dh said someone would just steal them. I said how many people would even know what they were?
For those escaping cities, where do you plan to go? Getting out is one thing, but having nowhere to go does not do a lot for a person. In such a situation, you're more likely to be shot than welcomed anywhere.
Samuel Adams
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Ultimate escape vehicle for getting away from the herd.
Some practice may be required...
And don’t forget to grease those bearings !!!
5 min.
View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yn-TfAzobDI
Some practice may be required...
And don’t forget to grease those bearings !!!
5 min.
rob0126
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Lots of 4 wheeler drivers (expensive rides) around here. Some are owned by riff raff.
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rob0126
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You only need a small few with the supplies and know how to cause serious problems with you and your area.
Statistically the bigger the city the more chance of some 'survivers' coming out to visit the countryside.
Good points. Game carts are not an end-all-be-all by any stretch of the imagination but might be useful in certain situations.
Life is full of compromises and choices. Circumstances in which people find themselves and the choices made during preparation will certainly drive the subsequent events. (Being raised on horseback until going off to school, I would select mules rather than horses, for instance, but on a continuing basis, one would have to have both donkeys and horses available to to keep using mules) An off-road motorcycle would be awfully handy for a single-person escape.
I've kind of ranked our own choices using PACE and the E part is the best of which-will-be-by-then a bunch of bad choices. I really hope that we don't get down to the E part but still have to plan for it. Heading out the door with what we've got in hand would NOT be optimum.
bracketquant
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You are surrounded by large ranches with cattle, now.
If the SHTF, you will be surrounded by large US military outposts with cattle.
bracketquant
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And that's why during the dark Medieval years people came together and created hilltop fortified villages:
Not many planes and parachutes back then.
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And that's why during the dark Medieval years people came together and created hilltop fortified villages:
Vary cool. But today's gated community's IMO, huge targets and will fall to the zombies PDQ.
Most of those folks will be dead in the middle east.
bracketquant
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Probably don't realize what the military does or how large 10,000 square miles is.
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| Population estimates, July 1, 2019, (V2019) | 7,393 |
| Population estimates base, April 1, 2010, (V2019) | 7,422 |
| Population, percent change - April 1, 2010 (estimates base) to July 1, 2019, (V2019) | -0.4% |
| Population, Census, April 1, 2020 | 7,495 |
| Population, Census, April 1, 2010 | 7,422 |
| Persons under 5 years, percent | 5.5% |
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| Persons 65 years and over, percent | 24.9% |
| Female persons, percent | 49.1% |
| White alone, percent | 90.6% |
| Black or African American alone, percent(a) | 1.0% |
| American Indian and Alaska Native alone, percent(a) | 4.4% |
| Asian alone, percent(a) | 0.6% |
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| Hispanic or Latino, percent(b) | 5.1% |
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| Veterans, 2015-2019 | 769 |
| Foreign born persons, percent, 2015-2019 | 1.3% |
| Housing units, July 1, 2019, (V2019) | 3,928 |
| Owner-occupied housing unit rate, 2015-2019 | 72.2% |
| Median value of owner-occupied housing units, 2015-2019 | $121,300 |
| Median selected monthly owner costs -with a mortgage, 2015-2019 | $1,003 |
| Median selected monthly owner costs -without a mortgage, 2015-2019 | $391 |
| Median gross rent, 2015-2019 | $648 |
| Building permits, 2020 | 14 |
| Households, 2015-2019 | 3,244 |
| Persons per household, 2015-2019 | 2.19 |
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| Language other than English spoken at home, percent of persons age 5 years+, 2015-2019 | 4.7% |
| Households with a computer, percent, 2015-2019 | 88.3% |
| Households with a broadband Internet subscription, percent, 2015-2019 | 78.2% |
| High school graduate or higher, percent of persons age 25 years+, 2015-2019 | 91.6% |
| Bachelor's degree or higher, percent of persons age 25 years+, 2015-2019 | 18.4% |
| With a disability, under age 65 years, percent, 2015-2019 | 13.3% |
| Persons without health insurance, under age 65 years, percent | 10.3% |
| In civilian labor force, total, percent of population age 16 years+, 2015-2019 | 54.8% |
| In civilian labor force, female, percent of population age 16 years+, 2015-2019 | 52.6% |
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| Total health care and social assistance receipts/revenue, 2012 ($1,000)(c) | 29,794 |
| Total manufacturers shipments, 2012 ($1,000)(c) | D |
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| Median household income (in 2019 dollars), 2015-2019 | $40,735 |
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| Total employment, 2019 | 1,457 |
| Total annual payroll, 2019 ($1,000) | 54,300 |
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| All firms, 2012 | 848 |
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| Women-owned firms, 2012 | 307 |
| Minority-owned firms, 2012 | 50 |
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