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The very best individual Emergency / Disaster meal on the market, packaged in a sturdy reusable box, the C.M.R.E. Plus is a fully self-contained meal. It includes one of five flameless self-heating delicious Entree items, a full liter of purified drinking water for hydration, 12 oz. Gatorade to maintain electrolytes, and a variety of Name Brand Food Items; High Density Cookies, Cheese and Crackers, Pudding and Fruit Cups, High Energy Bars, and Fruit Packets, to provide approximately 1,600 calories per meal. USDA Approved. Entree type subject availablity.


COST IS: $11.95 ea. plus a small shipping charge.

Choices are: Beef Entree - Chicken Entree - Pork Entree - Breakfast Sausage


These CMRE's are high quality, comprised of products you are already used to, and the main entrees are much tastier than the military grade product.

READY RESERVE has been in business for 28 years supplying high quality storage and survival products world wide.


I HAVE PERMISSION TO SELL SINGLE MEAL QUANITIES FOR A TRIAL PERIOD TO INTRODUCE YOU TO THIS PRODUCT. YOU CAN ORDER JUST 1 - ONCE PEOPLE SEE THE QUANITY AND QUALITY COMPARED TO MIL MRE'S THEY ARE REORDERING BY THE CASE.

Amounts under a case are retail price. I will discount case lots by 10%.


Email me at civilianmre@hotmail.com to order. Make sure you add your phone number so I can get CC info.

For general information ask on this thread and I will reply. My old website was taken down while I was on the road, and will be rebuilding it now that I have moved back to the U.S.
 

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I check on that. Their regular storage liine is sold as good for 7-15 years but they have reported that in testing it has remained good for over 20 years.

I am sure these, like regular mil mres don't last that long, :lol:

I'll let you know.
 

theoutlands

Official Resister
dragonslayer2001 said:
I am sure these, like regular mil mres don't last that long,

Hey - I broke open a case of MREs packed in the late-80's a couple of years ago. None of the meals had gone bad, despite being stored in "uncontrolled conditions."
 

NBCsurvivor

Has No Life - Lives on TB
dragonslayer2001 said:
I check on that. Their regular storage liine is sold as good for 7-15 years but they have reported that in testing it has remained good for over 20 years.

I am sure these, like regular mil mres don't last that long, :lol:

I'll let you know.


ThanX buddy. :)
 

Great Northwet

Veteran Member
Bird Guano said:
Are these like HeaterMeals, with the tray heater ?

If so those things were only good for 18 months because of all of the
commercially packaged components.
I've tried several "heater meals", unfortunately I didn't care for them much.
If I'm ever caught in a snowstorm in my truck I'll have one; but otherwise I'll try to catch a trout.
 

SCR1

Inactive
Selve life is stated as being 2 years for the Civilian MREs from Ready Reserve. I got the brochure from them being a pervious customer.
 

Caplock50

I am the Winter Warrior
Can you get them without the water? And is the drink in liquid form? If so can you get it in powdered form? (And before anyone says anything, I'm talking about the gatorade, not the water, here;) :lol: :p )I can supply my own water; all I want and need is the food. And if you can get them without the water/drink; will they be cheaper?
 
There

are 6 assorted meals per case. What you see is what you get. There are no options NOT to get what comes in the meal, such as no water, or powdered gatorade.

These are designed as a complete meal package, supplying enough calories for better than survival needs for a day in a single meal.


Also, I am NOT real impressed with Mil. MRE's, but if the Sh_t hits the fan, I'll eat them. As a personal matter, and based on my study of nutritional needs of the body, I would not trust any food 20 years old that was not dehydrated or freeze dried.

Yes, you can put it in your mouth, and swallow it. But I am sure the food has degraded and broken down, and will have nil nutritional value.


I am checking on the other questions.
 

Hamilton Felix

Inactive
Yeah, twelve bucks is a pretty fantastic price. There's no way I can afford that. Maybe if I win the Lotto (well, maybe if I played).

I just got 30 MRE entrees for a decent price on eBay ($39.28 to my door, that's $1.30933333 apiece). I got two gross of the MRE heaters a couple years back. I wouldn't mind a good source of cheap MRE entrees. I don't need all that many complete MRE's. They are too expensive these days, and they have more stuff in them than one needs.

A backpacker would say MRE's are ridiculously heavy, weight and space inefficient, and make tons of garbage. But they sure are handy to toss in the back of the car, or carry one in your LBE while in the field. With water activated heaters, you can toss 'em to the kids -- even stranger's kids -- and not worry about anyone setting a fire with the camp stove.

BTW, I've eaten MRE's that were over 10 years old. The flavor gets a bit bland, but they never really go bad. That's why you get that little bottle of Tabasco. With enough Tabasco, you can eat cardboard. ;)
 

Cardinal

Chickministrator
_______________
lisa said:
$11.95 each?! :shkr: I certainly can't afford to pay that much per meal x3 / day!


Unless you are an exceptionally large woman, you aren't eating 1600 calories three times a day...or you WILL be an exceptionally large woman.:D
 
I for one

couldn't possibly eat all that in one sitting, and I don't care how much hiking or swimming I'd done in a day.

Except for it having only one entree, that amount would do me for a day.

I will have my website up soon and will also be carrying Backpackers Pantry.

Ready Reserve also has a 12 day pack for one, or 3 day for 4 person that is very economic,

and it is designed to last for 7-15 years, mostly dehydrated, and double enameled sealed.

CHECK WITH CAPLOCK FOR THE WATER :lol:



U-12 Camper Pak
A 3-Day - 4 Person Supply

Description: This unit contains 12 cans, enough great food for One Person for 10 days, or for 4 people for 3 days. The Camper Pak, complete with 1 Apple Breakfast Drink, 1 Applesauce, 1 Rolled Oats, 1 Fruit Cocktail, 1 Mountain Stew, 1 Stroganoff Casserole, 1 Spanish-Style Rice, 1 Vegatable Noodle Soup Mix, 1 Salad Blend, 1 Soup/Stew Mix, 1 Egg Mix and Yukon Biscuits is a wonderful way to supply two persons for 10 days, or 4 people for 3 days. Recommended water storage: 7 gallons.

Price:$92.00
 

lisa

Veteran Member
Unless you are an exceptionally large woman, you aren't eating 1600 calories three times a day...or you WILL be an exceptionally large woman.
:lol:

true, but there are 5 people in my household minimum....still too much $


I just got 30 MRE entrees for a decent price on eBay ($39.28 to my door, that's $1.30933333 apiece).

now THAT'S a deal!
 
As

I said, and it will be more important during a crisis than ever,

it DOES matter WHAT you put in your mouth and how old it is.

Read your history. It is those that got high quality food, that survive the plagues.

Eating very old food isn't going to do you any good, you will not only be getting "empty" calories, you will also be eating food that has broken down and whose molecules have mixed with the food.

You may want to check out that series of pics that were posted showing what happens to a living plant being fed only microwaved water.

YOU can get away eating a lot of trash now because you have the "best" of everything.

When you call on your body to survive in the worst of times, you will want the highest value and freshest food sources.

MREs of all types are fill in convienence foods. You have a full meal, ready to go. The fresher the better, no matter who makes it.

More on food and survival later. ALL processed vitamins and minerals are not NATURAL vitamins and minerals. That is why you currently see the breakdown of the health of most Americans.



If you are buying an MRE for a dollar, it ain't fresh. And it won't serve you well at the end of the world.
 

Caplock50

I am the Winter Warrior
dragonslayer2001:

"CHECK WITH CAPLOCK FOR THE WATER "


That's right Folks, for only $0.25 a packet, I can get you all the powdered water you will ever need. It is easy and simple to use. Just open a packet and dump the contents into an 8 ounce glass; then add 6 ounces of water and stir....

:lkick: :lkick:
 

Eddie Willers

Membership Revoked
Jeez, just buy canned food. All MRE's are is fancy canned food.

I can get a case of Chef Boy Ar Dee ravioli for $.80 per can. That's a meal all by itself.

Case of B&M baked beans is $.95 / can.

Anything you can get in an MRE comes in a can, with only a few exceptions. The nasty crackers are unavailable, for example.

If you're down to really needing emergency food, cheap is way better. I can buy at least 10 times as much food as you guys, with more variety and easier storage.

'nuff said.

Eddie
 

SCR1

Inactive
Guys these are obviously geared to 'Civilians' with little or no experience in preparing for anything. Keep that in mind with your comments.
 

Bird Guano

Inactive
SCR1 said:
Guys these are obviously geared to 'Civilians' with little or no experience in preparing for anything. Keep that in mind with your comments.

Sopacko makes civilian versions of MRE's as well.
 
Cap

:lol:


Actually I DO sell packets of water, Survival Industries, lol. But you don't add water.

Canned food has a very limited shelf life. Anyone buying canned food and expecting it to be tasty and viable in 3 years is in for a disappointment,

been there, done that.

The dehydrated food, family of four, for one year works out to $70 per person per month.

I cannot eat that cheaply now, for sure, and the food is long term storage, high in natural vitamins and minerals, and in my opinion, the best most natural option in preservation.

I like the taste of freeze dried also, but my gut, which I always trusts, tells me that dehyrated maintains natural materials NOT destroyed by processing.

The majority of people here have not made a study of nutrition, or plague, or long term disasters and the impact of stress and disease on the human animal.

And of course it all depends on what you honestly think is coming.

I think there will be a continuing deterioration, then a total collapse, climate caused. There will be no recovery after that. The goal will be to outlast the competition until the numbers are reduced enough for the limited food supply to cover the survivors.

Most are not concentrating on the climate change. They have been brainwashed into thinking only of political or financial ramifications.

There is a handful of people here who have a very good idea of what happened 10,000 years ago, and THAT is what is reoccuring now.

Even with my customers who have ordered the dehydrated foods, I still urge them to buy as much "natural" foods such as whole wheat berries, sprouting seeds, oats, lentils, whole beans, etc.,

The storage foods, quality ones, are fantastic. Even they will NOT supply you with the natural living vitamins and minerals the serious suvivalist will need to outlast his competition by years.

That is what is coming. Sorry for it. But history is repeating itself.


We are the blessed and cursed generation, and the next, that will see these things.
 

dissimulo

Membership Revoked
dragonslayer2001 said:
Canned food has a very limited shelf life. Anyone buying canned food and expecting it to be tasty and viable in 3 years is in for a disappointment,

I routinely eat canned foods that are more than three years old. I often buy canned goods that are already approaching their exp. dates and then eat them over the next two years. So far, no complaints.
 

Eddie Willers

Membership Revoked
Canned food has a very limited shelf life. Anyone buying canned food and expecting it to be tasty and viable in 3 years is in for a disappointment,

been there, done that.

Just ate a can of Hormel Chili. Purchase date (I marked on bottom of can) is 11/99.

Tasted just fine, thankyouverymuch.

'Eddie
 
LOL

perhaps I have more refined taste buds. If the climate continues to heat up, and you lose your air conditioner, you will discover what I did, what happens to canned food in a hot environment.

And I have no doubt that I am more clued in to what constitutes "food" vs calories.

And I know which will be far more valuable when the stress of a society in breakdown hits.

And especially if somelike approaching bird flu ever really gets going.

Anyway, I know what I know. And it is not for me to worry about your dietary habits. I am too busy preparing for what is coming.

regards,

ds
 

Eddie Willers

Membership Revoked
Well gee whiz, Dragon, you must be raht. Us country hicks can't hardly fine a way to turn a doh nob, much less actually open a doh. 'sprized I can work a can opener to.

But at least i ain't no arrogant butthead.

'Eddie
 

Mongo

Veteran Member
Golden Rule of food storage - Store what you eat, Eat what you store

This does a couple things:
1. In times of stress, you don't need to be switching diets (emotional/psychological)
2. Your gut is used to it.
3. This allows you to painlessly (money wise) rotate your stocks.

Canned goods taste the same whether they are 3 weeks old or 2 years old IME.
I have read (and believe) they may lose nutritional value over time. Okay, store some vitamins also.

I routinely eat canned goods that are 2+ years old. I am fit; I am healthy.

I think canned goods and pasta are great for the one year food supply.
Beyond that, you need to start thinking about wheat, other grains and gardening, raising animals.

Are MREs convenient? Yep.
Do they have a place in a food storage plan? Maybe. They are certainly decent food for BoBs. But then again, so are MetRX bars or PowerBars.

I have a pallet of MREs - they are woefully out of date.

I won't make that mistake again.

Store what you eat, eat what you store
 

Cruiser

Veteran Member
If this helps the sheeple to prepare, even for a few days, it will be better than them sitting there waiting for the government to "do something". I like military MRE's as much as the next guy and have stored a bunch away but I would rather eat my freezer full of frozen meat and pantry of canned food when the hurricane hits and the stores are stripped bare...
 

Rastech

Veteran Member
I think they look pretty good value for a nice 'variety' pack there DS.

Personally I think I'd use one a week, say half the contents for a 'treat day' based round the main meal included, then spread the rest of the pack contents to use with the rest of the weeks diet (if the included water is good with whiskey, that's where mine would get used, hehe - though local springwater is brilliant in whiskey anyway).

Could get a lot of mileage out of them imo.

Shipping to where I live, due to the weight of the liquid contents, would kill any point in me even considering using them though. :(

If you varnish the tins of canned stuff, you can increase its shelf life considerably.

Stuff I used to use years ago, when I lived near a branch of Blacks over here, was their mountaineering high energy food. They had some great dehydrated meals very cheap, and they were quite tasty and filling too. I used loads of them - fire up the Kelly kettle to boil water, open the meal pack, pour in boiling water, leave a few minutes, and you had a piping hot meal and a hot brew in about 10 mins total, and your bivvy was made nice and warm in the process as well.
 

Dex

Constitutional Patriot
By shopping at Costco or similar wholesaler you could put nearly identical components together for a fraction of the price. All of that stuff except the entree is commercially packed name brand stuff. Lots of food comes in aluminum packing these days too, so that solves the entree problem and you can buy cases of heaters really cheap. I recently paid $19 for a case of 280 heaters.

I would imagine you could put that package together for about $6-7 and at the same time use powered bases and things instead of adding water weight.
 
Dex

"By shopping at Costco or similar wholesaler you could put nearly identical components together for a fraction of the price."


Sorry, I just got back from Costco and you don't get out of there for a fraction of anything anymore. :lol: These CMREs are more expensive than mil MREs, but have a lot more in them, and are made of FOOD THAT MOST AMERICANS ARE ALREADY USED TO EATING which is the reason ReadyReserve has put them together.

And face it, MOST PEOPLE, INCLUDING THE MAJORITY ON TB ARE NOT TAKING ANY STEPS TO PREPARE, they are not buying and storing food, and they will not take the time to prepare packages like this. That is the simple truth of it. This kind of package makes it easy for them.

The main selling point IS that it is made up of things the majority already eat. I don't eat a lot of this stuff, just as I wouldn't eat a lot of mil MREs. Dehydrated and freeze dried are it for me. REAL FOOD like whole grains and beans and nuts and seeds for sprouting. But then I can go for 2 weeks on nothing but water and a few fingerfuls of veggies and a bit of juice if I need to.

Most can't go a day without eating anything. I don't sell things just that I eat, I try to gear what I am doing for the use and convienence of my customers.

Most Americans don't eat whole wheat or brown rice. Most Americans don't sprout seeds or make their own yoghurt. Most Americans wouldn't know how to make soap from scratch, or beer, or wine, or distilled spirits or bio fuel.

So I don't gear what I am doing to help people basing my decisions on what I think people should do. I base it on what I hope some might do, and make it as affordable as I can to them.


Dehydrated, Freeze Dried as lightwieght easy to move food, that will last for years and years and years. And maintain most of its nutritional value. And take up a fraction of the space that a year's supply would.


Put a years worth of canned food in your house for a family of four. Try it. I've seen pictures :lol: It takes up an entire basement in canned goods, good for 1-3 years, poor nutritional value at the best of times, and is far far far more expensive than a years supply of dehydrated food, nutritionally balanced, varied, wholesome, and light weight, good for 7-20 years, and taking up the space of a large closet at a cost of $70 per person per month.


MREs, CMREs and things like Mainstay as a heavy, but "instant" food, nutrient, calorie, and hopefully vitamin rich quick meal, not for long term storage, and not for everyday eating.


Canned foods for conveince and easy eating for the first year or two. I eat canned foods, and are particularly putting in a stock because the GOVERNMENT seems to think the electricity is going to go out. I eat very little canned foods, except usually to add them to a homemade soup, like a can of stewed tomatoes. Just like I eat little iceberg lettuce. I like the taste but nutritionally it is a waste of money. Nutritionally canned food is mostly a waste of money. Canned Protiens are usually the exception.

If you have to leave in a hurry you won't be bringing it with you. If you live in hot weather, and your AC goes out for any length of time, it WILL taste real bad, so bad you will only eat it if you are starving. Canned foods are LOWEST on the vitamin nutrient scale at ALL times, and will only get worse with age or heat.

Those are the FACTS of canned food.


Natural whole grained foods, and mixed with quality dehydrated foods. Brown rice, wheat berries, whole and cut oats, whole barley, beans of all kinds, lentils, veggies, fresh or flash frozen of all kinds. These are the BEST things to eat long term, few Americans eat them now anyway, too lazy, and they don't have much personal knowledge of natural nutrition. IF YOU HAVE ANYONE READING THIS THREAD THAT WANTS THE LOWEST COST, HIGHEST NUTRITIONAL VALUE FOR THEIR MONEY, THIS IS THE WAY TO EAT. THE WAY MAN HAS ATE FOR MILLENIA. Not processed into white flour either.


You will also be leaving these if you have to bug out in a hurry. They will not last forever unless you know how to take the steps to preserve them. Most people don't, including many posting on this forum telling people to buy them. You will need fresh water to eat these.



This is the main reason I push the dehydrated foods. They are lightweight and take a fraction of the space or weight other foods do. If you have to bug out, and are able to bring anything with you, you can bring a sh_tload of waterless food with you. And because they are so light you could pack your car in a hurry. I've moved in California, and brought my 2 months worth of emergency canned food with me. It wasn't light, it was backbreaking. Carry just 4 cans of #10 green beans in a box to see what I mean. You won't be moving a lot of canned goods in a hurry.


As for the hackers who seem intent on disrupting this offer,

Have any of you shown up on the OTHER threads offering storage foods and telling everyone how much better and cheaper you diet of canned foods or 10 year old MRE's are?



I seriously doubt it.


so, let the conversation continue.
 
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Adding a few notes

on canned food. NOT to argue with the canned food afficionados - :lol: I eat some canned foods too, but very little. It is a health choice.

My normal supper would be a meat, flash frozen or fresh, and some veggies, either homemade fresh salad or flash frozen veggies.

In the winter I make a lot of soups. Whole wheat berries, barley, lentils, beans, flavorings and spices, some kind of meat, maybe some chicken broth from a can, can of stewed tomatoes, and cut up fresh onions, celery, mushrooms, carrots, etc.,

I would never dream of surviving only on canned foods:


http://www.eslbee.com/contrast_eating_fresh_or_canned_foods.htm


Eating is an activity that we as humans do at least two times a day. We live in a world where the variety of food is immense, and we are responsible for what we eat. We decide what we are about to eat and how it will affect our bodies. The purpose of this essay is to compare and contrast the differences between eating fresh foods instead of canned foods. The three main differences are flavor, health benefits, and cost.

The most notable difference between these two kinds of foods is their flavor. Fresh foods have great flavor and taste because they keep all their natural conditions. Canned foods however, lack a lot of its flavor characteristics because there are some other chemical products added to the natural foods. It is logical that the fresh foods will have a greater taste and flavor when consumed just because of the time in which they have been prepared.

Comparing both types of foods we notice another difference. There is a health factor that affects both of them. Canned foods lose some of the original fresh food nutrients when stored, and also it has to be tinned with many conservatives and chemical factors that prolong the shelf life and apparent freshness of the food but could also become toxic if consumed too often.

Yet another difference between these two types of foods is the cost. Canned foods are much more expensive than fresh foods. Here the benefit of buying tinned foods is that they are easier to find, for example, in a supermarket instead of the market like the fresh foods, and they require less work to prepare than fresh foods, just open and serve.

Here are the main three differences between buying fresh foods and buying canned foods. As we can see it comes down to a personal choice, based on the time each person has, the money and the importance he/she gives to his/her nutrition and health.[/U] Therefore it is important that you consider your possibilities and choose the best type of foods for your convenience and lifestyle.
 
It is my contention

and of this I am absolutely sure, that not only is a great food shortage and famine coming, but also that there will be a severe breakdown in society, possibly even a total collapse.

My thoughts are based on the climate change and earth instability the signs of which are now everywhere, if one wishes to look. Added to this will also come the financial, political, moral breakdown, and most likely world war.

MOST PEOPLE, INCLUDING MOST PREPPERS, have neither studied the effects of such massive stress and trauma on the human body and mind, nor have they studied the effects of DIET and NUTRITION and its affects on our ancestors during periods of plague and disease.

It is NOT enough to have something, anything to stuff in your mouth. The highest quality food, regular exercise, and a good immune system is the best insurance you can have if any of the above events take place.

It is no guarantee, but it is the best insurance policy, ........that and your firearms ;)


The following is long, and only a portion of the next essay. For the SERIOUS survivalist who wants as much knowledge as he/she can get dealing with real survival in a crisis period of long duration:



http://www.disabled-world.com/artman/publish/bestfoods.shtml



The Best Food
By Dr. Randy Wysong - Apr 21, 2006
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"Then, like a dirty bathtub ring, modern degenerative diseases decimate those people at the periphery in contact with modern foods"

Everyone eats so everyone has an opinion about food. But if health is the objective, mere opinion doesn't count nor does fad or majority rule.

Most people think the average cooked diet based upon official food pyramids is just fine. Some eat predominantly fast food. Others advocate veganism (eating only plant foods), or lacto-ova vegetarianism (plants plus milk and eggs). There are also proponents of special foods such as fresh juices, soybean products and macrobiotic cooked grains and rice.

Everyone can make arguments on behalf of their beliefs. They can cite exam¬ples of people who have escaped disease and lived long. Some argue morality and ethics, such as those who say sentient animal life should not be sacrificed for food. Others set their eating practices by the standards of holy writ that eschew certain forms of foods and sanctify others. Others just eat what tastes good and that's logic enough for them.

Eating beliefs seem to take on an almost religious character. People feel guarded and pretty zealous about food and don't like others meddling. But since health is intimately linked to what we take into our mouths, thinking, honest reflection and willingness to change are in order.

It is easy to be deceived because wrong food choices may not manifest their full impact until late in life. Nutrition can even pass through genetically to affect later generations. In this regard, food ideas are also like religion in that hundreds of different sects can each claim to have the truth. But none of them needs to fear disproof since adjudication will not occur until everyone is dead and gone to the afterlife.

The body is extremely adaptable and will attempt to survive on whatever it is given. If the food is incorrect there is usually no immediate harm. But the body will eventually be stressed beyond its ability to adapt, resulting in disease, degen¬eration and loss of vitality.

Unfortunately, such con¬sequences are so far removed in time from the eating regimen that caused them that few under¬stand the relationship.

So be careful before subscribing to bold claims about what is or is not good to eat. The true test of any health idea lies too far out into the future. Our best hope then is to be well grounded philosophically before we slide our legs under the dinner table.

How do we develop a healthy eating philosophy and sort through all of the competing eating ideas? I am going to explain here a very simple principle that is so rea¬sonable you need not even look for proofs. Follow along with me and see if you don't agree.

Consider the fol¬lowing three premises:

1. Just like a tree is genetically adapted to absorb certain nutrients from soil, and a lion is genetically adapted to thrive on prey, and a deer is geneti¬cally adapted to browse on vegeta¬tion, so too, are humans genetical¬ly adapted to certain kinds of food.

2. The majority of foods we are presently exposed to are a prod¬uct of the Agricultural/Industrial Revolution and occupy a small part of the genetic history of humans. (Refer back to the 276-mile time-line in which only a few inches represent industrial-type eating practices.)

3. The natural, genetically adapted to food for humans must predate them. In other words, how could humans exist before the food they needed to survive existed? We were completely developed biologically prior to agriculture and any method of food processing. That means whatever diet archetypal humans ate was the perfect diet because that was the diet responsible for the existence and development of the incredibly complex human organism. That diet was the milieu, the environmental nutritional womb, if you will, from which we sprung.

If you consider these three premises, the logical conclusion derived from them is that the best food for humans is that food which they would be able to eat as is, as it is found in nature.

Our tissues were designed to be bathed in food nutrients derived from natural living foods, not with dyes, preservatives, synthetics, nutritiously barren starches and refined sugars and oils. Make no mistake; if we are not eating according to this principle, our bodies are in constant deficiency, imbalance and toxin exposure.

The result of generations ignoring this principle is an epidemic of obesity, chronic degenerative diseases and the exhaustion of our digestive processes.

A feature of all natural food is that it is raw - alive if you will. This is consistent with the Law of Biogenesis that says life can only come from preexisting life. Life begets life. In spite of scientists' dreams to the contrary, we have never observed life springing from non-life, nor have we ever even been able to create life from non-life in a laboratory. If we eat living foods, we enhance our own life. If we eat dead, devitalized foods we become devitalized and dead.

Granted, this will not happen all at once, but as the adaptive reserves are exhausted we become just like the dead food we eat.

...................... more at the link




The above article was written on just surviving modern life, :lol: and he has NOT added in massive climate change, financial ruin, loss of jobs, bird flu, nuclear war with Korea, or illegal invaders rioting in the streets.

Think you are stressed now? Are you really so stupid as to think that a bottle of MANUFACTURED VITAMINS are going to save you? Man made vitamins are NOT natural either.
 
Man made vitamins are NOT what you think

I am turning my own thread into an arguement for whole foods and dehydrated storage foods - :lol:

Oh well, it is what I have long believed.


http://www.ghchealth.com/all-vitamins-are-not-created-equal.html


Government Standards
FACT: A consumer would assume that a vitamin contains the potency listed on the label.

GOVERNMENT STANDARD: Only 90% of the vitamin potency listed on the label has to be in a product at the time of shipping.


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FACT: A vitamin starts losing its potency the minute it's made. If not manufactured properly, a vitamin can be up to 50% weaker than the label claim by the time you purchase the product.

GOVERNMENT STANDARD: There are only minimal government guidelines, not requirements, regarding product storage (light, temperature, moisture, etc.), inventory rotation, particle granulation or product coating, all of which affect the potency and quality of a vitamin.


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FACT: Even though vitamins are perishable items, manufacturers are not required to prove that their products last for an extended period of time. Remember, light, heat, moisture and oxidation rapidly destroy vitamin potency.

GOVERNMENT STANDARD: After a vitamin is manufactured, vitamin companies are not required to conduct shelf life testing to see how product potency is affected over time.


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FACT: Even though vitamin supplements are essential to your health, there is no law requiring that vitamin supplements be tested during the manufacturing process.

GOVERNMENT STANDARD: A quality control laboratory is not required in a vitamin manufacturing facility.

(How do you manufacture quality vitamins without a quality control laboratory? Good question! Moreover, most vitamin companies do not even manufacture their own products.)




Several years ago, a visiting scholar at Rockefeller university in New York City and a noted author of many books on nutrition, Dr. Michael Colgan, had researched the effects of vitamins. The following is an excerpt from his findings as published in an Omni magazine article.

"...And the food-processing industry? Oh, they're interested in my work," Colgan smiles. "They offer me weekends, give me the stretch-limousine treatment. Actually, though, I'm more disillusioned by drug companies that make vitamins. Many are run by people who know nothing about nutrition, have not one qualified person on the executive staff. Or, if they have, these people spend all their time in other research and never come in contact with the vitamins that are being produced by the firm. There is so much rubbish on the market," he adds abruptly. "The majority of vitamins in health-food stores are rubbish!"
 
and for my final piece of the night

my coup de grace, as they used to say, is something I have known for decades, but which most people still don't know. Now, there have been great strides in vitamin manufacturing, but the AVERAGE pill bought in a store, including most pills bought in health food stores, are often, or usually, or completely man made from offshoots of the petroleum industry.

yep.


so, for the last bit of the night, cause this could be argued forever, and I don't have the time anymore..........


http://www.sweetrite.com/id19.html




What is Your Vitamin Really?


Most vitamins in supplements are petroleum extracts, coal tar derivatives, and chemically processed sugar (plus sometimes industrially processed fish oils), with other acids and industrial chemicals (such as formaldehyde) used to process them [1-5]. Synthetic vitamins were originally developed because they cost less [7]. Assuming the non-food product does not contain fish oils, most synthetic, petroleum-derived, supplements will call their products 'vegetarian', not because they are from plants, but because they are not from animals. Most vitamins in vitamin supplements made from food are in foods such as acerola cherries, alfalfa sprouts, carrots, corn, grapefruit, lemons, limes, nutritional yeast, oranges, rice bran, soy beans, and tangerines (some companies also use animal products).


Table 1. Composition of Food and Non-Food Vitamins [1-10]


Vitamin Food Nutrient* 'Natural' Vitamin Analogue & Some Process Chemicals

Vitamin A/Betacarotene Carrots Methanol, benzene, petroleum esters; acetylene; refined oils
Vitamin B-1 Nutritional yeast, rice bran Coal tar derivatives, hydrochloric acid; acetonitrole with ammonia
Vitamin B-2 Nutritional yeast, rice bran Synthetically produced with 2N acetic acid
Vitamin B-3 Nutritional yeast, rice bran Coal tar derivatives, 3-cyanopyridine; ammonia and acid
Vitamin B-5 Nutritional yeast, rice bran Condensing isobutyraldehyde with formaldehyde
Vitamin B-6 Nutritional yeast, rice bran Petroleum ester & hydrochloric acid with formaldehyde
Vitamin B-8 Corn, rice bran Phytin hydrolyzed with calcium hydroxide and sulfuric acid
Vitamin B-9 Alfalfa sprouts, rice bran Processed with petroleum derivatives and acids; acetylene
Vitamin B-12 Nutritional yeast Cobalamins reacted with cyanide
Vitamin 'B-x' PABA Nutritional yeast Coal tar oxidized with nitric acid (from ammonia)
Vitamin B Factor Choline Nutritional yeast, rice bran Ethylene and ammonia with HCL or tartaric acid
Vitamin C Acerola cherries, citrus fruits Hydrogenated sugar processed with acetone
Vitamin D Nutritional yeast Irradiated animal fat/cattle brains or solvently extracted
Vitamin E Corn, soy beans, vegetable oils Trimethylhydroquinone with isophytol; refined oils
Vitamin K Alfalfa sprouts Coal tar derivative; produced with p-allelic-nickel

* Note: Although some companies use liver extracts as a source for vitamins A and/or D, no company this researcher is aware of whose products are made out of 100% food use animal products for any of their multiple vitamins. Some companies also use brewer's yeast which is inferior to nutritional yeast in many ways (including the fact that it has not had the cell wall enzymatically processed to reduce possible sensitivities).

Comparison of Certain Biological Effects of Food and Non-Food Vitamins

Food Vitamin Compared to USP/'Natural'/Non-Food Vitamins [1,17-27]
Vitamin A 1.54 times more absorbed into blood
Vitamin B-1 1.38 times more absorbed into blood
Vitamin B-2 1.92 times better retained in the liver
Vitamin B-3 3.94 times more absorbed into blood
Vitamin B-6 2.54 times more absorbed into blood
Vitamin B-9 2.13 times better retained in the liver
Vitamin B-12 2.56 times more absorbed into blood
Vitamin C 3.2 to 15.6 times the antioxidant effect
Vitamin D Over 10 times the antirachitic effect
Vitamin E Up to 7.02 times more retained by the body
Vitamin 'H' Over 100 times the biotin activity


The difference is more than quantitative. For example, even if one were to take 3.2 times as much of the so-called natural, non-food, ascorbic acid than food vitamin C, although the antioxidant effects might be similar in vitro, the ascorbic acid still will not contain DHAA [1], nor will it ever have negative oxidative reductive potential (ORP). An in vitro study performed at this researcher's lab with a digital ORP meter demonstrated that a citrus food vitamin C has negative ORP, but that ascorbic acid had positive ORP. It takes negative ORP to clean up oxidative damage [28], and since ascorbic acid has positive ORP (as well as positive redox potential [1]), it can never replace food vitamin C no matter what the quantity! Furthermore, foods which are high in vitamin C tend to have high Oxygen Radical Absorbance Capacity (ORAC, another test which measures the ability of foods and other compounds to subdue oxygen free radicals [27]). A US government study which compared the in vivo effects of a high vitamin C food (80 mg of vitamin C) compared to about 15.6 times as much isolated ascorbic acid (1250 mg) found that the vitamin C-containing food produced the greatest increase in blood antioxidant levels (it is believed that bioflavonoids and other food factors are responsible) [27]. Furthermore, it is even possible isolated ascorbic acid only has in vitro and no in vivo antioxidant effects [29]yet high vitamin C foods have both [27,29].

Furthermore, it is even possible isolated ascorbic acid only has in vitro and no in vivo antioxidant effects: “it has not been possible to show conclusively that higher than anti-scorbic intake of {SYNTHETIC} vitamin C has antioxidant clinical benefit” [29]. Why should people take supplemental synthetic ascorbic acid when it is NOT been proven to have antioxidant effects in humans? On the other hand, high vitamin C containing foods do have proven in vitro and in vivo antioxidant effects.



Note:

1. So called natural vitamins which are derived from non food sources, are really Synthetic Vitamins.

2. Ascorbic acid (Vitamin C) is synthetic vitamin C.

3. Most vitamins sold are not food they are synthetically processed petroleum and/or hydrogenated sugar extracts even if they say "natural" on the label. They are not in the same chemical form or structural form as real vitamins are in foods; thus they are not natural for the human body. True natural food vitamins are superior to synthetic ones [8]. Food vitamins are functionally superior to non-food vitamins as they tend to be preferentially absorbed and/or retained by the body [3-8,14-26]. Isolated, non-food vitamins, even when not chemically different are only fractionated nutrients [1,3,8,16,18].

4. Actually, no matter how much synthetic vitamins one takes orally, they will:

1) Never be a truly complete nutrient source.
2) Never replace all the functions of food vitamins.
3) Always be unnatural substances to the body.
4) Always strain the body by requiring that it detoxify or somehow dispose of their unnatural structures/chemicals.
5) Never be utilized, absorbed, and retained the same as food nutrients.
6) Not be able to prevent advanced protein glycation end-product formation the same as food nutrients.
7) Never be able to have the antioxidant effects the same as food nutrients.
8) Always be industrial products.
9) Always be composed of petroleum-derivatives, hydrogenated sugars, acids, and/or industrially-processed rocks.
10) Never build optimal health the same as food nutrients.



The truth is that only foods, or supplements composed of 100% foods, can be counted on as not containing non-food vitamin analogues.

Doctor's Research- Articles



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Not pushing this product, just showing you that the "vitamins" most are taking, or have stored in their preps will do poor service in a prolonged crisis. Most natural health practioners and writers consider them toxins.

Eat your 4 year old spam indeed and then take your petroleum based "vitamin" = not as as a general rule, thank you :lol:
 

eXe

Techno Junkie
I am a big Fan of MREs for a few reasons,

First they pack well. I store them by the case here and the entrees that I have as well, also pack into milk crates for storage so its a real space saver.

Second, the shelf life. If stored indoors in nice temps they will last a good long time.

Sure they cost more, but they are good for the reasons mentioned above as well as they FILL YOU UP. I can eat one a day and thats more than enough for me.

That said I also stock a whole lot of canned goods. Ya have to balance it out. Canned stuff I am used to eating, and that along with rice, MRES, and a bit of real food now and again from the freezer and I should be good to go.

I too have had canned stuff YEARS after the "best by" date and its always been good so I am not too worried about that. I do rotate my stuff and there is probably not anything canned in the house now that is more than 2 years old if that long.

$11.95 is a whole lot per meal, I can get a case of MRES from our local gunshop/army surplus place here for less than 60 bucks.
 
EXE

That cost is a whole lot for a single meal, but like you, I couldn't eat all that in a day, and except for another entree, that one meal would serve me for a day.



I could not eat only MRE's of any type as my main food, unless I absolutely had to. I don't think it is healthy. And frankly, the quality and taste of mil spec MRE's are not anywhere near as tasty and satisfying than what I can do up with some water, rice and spices. I am just not a big fan of mil MRE's. Have eaten them here and there, tried some of the newer stuff recently, and they will form the smallest part of my suvival package. And that is for throwing into a pack for a recon or if held down in a firefight. If I went on a three day camp, I would prefer the taste of freezedried. I would take one or two mres for the speed of eating. Quality just isn't there for me.


And of course, ALL of the health issues stated above. They ain't natural.

I do appreciate your line about eating a little "real" food once in a while though.......... :lol: precious.

ds
 

Sheridan

Contributing Member
Quote:
Canned food has a very limited shelf life. Anyone buying canned food and expecting it to be tasty and viable in 3 years is in for a disappointment,

been there, done that.


Just ate a can of Hormel Chili. Purchase date (I marked on bottom of can) is 11/99.

Tasted just fine, thankyouverymuch.

Yesterday I opened a can of store brand vegetable beef soup from July '99, and it was very tasty.

Canned foods are much more expensive than fresh foods.
I paid 29¢ for the can of soup.
 
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