Well, I hate to make this thread somewhat political, but I have a friend who works for Boeing, and he said that the company has gone “woke” and is pushing Diversity, Equity and Inclusion (DEI) training on its employees and is increasingly ignoring the more basic things it needs to be a good company and produce quality products. He specifically pointed to the earlier severe software issues with the 737 Max from a few years back along with the issues Boeing has had with the Starliner spacecraft (hydrazine valve leakage and parachute reefing issues). These, among others, point to a decline in corporate culture (especially in quality control of engineering and manufacturing) that occurred in part due to acquisition of McDonnell Douglas and in part due to the recent DEI push by major corporations.
I never said it wasn't.Perfectly reasonable request for public help, here.
+What Masterphreak said.
It sounds like sabotage to me.
You cannot correct the faults of these people or you are picking on them. The kind of a$$ chewing, for doing something stupid that could cost lives, is just not done with the DEI hires. They have been given participation trophies and praised for trying, or just showing up. We older aircraft mechanics cringe at what we see coming.Well, I hate to make this thread somewhat political, but I have a friend who works for Boeing, and he said that the company has gone “woke” and is pushing Diversity, Equity and Inclusion (DEI) training on its employees and is increasingly ignoring the more basic things it needs to be a good company and produce quality products. He specifically pointed to the earlier severe software issues with the 737 Max from a few years back along with the issues Boeing has had with the Starliner spacecraft (hydrazine valve leakage and parachute reefing issues). These, among others, point to a decline in corporate culture (especially in quality control of engineering and manufacturing) that occurred in part due to acquisition of McDonnell Douglas and in part due to the recent DEI push by major corporations.
I think these factors are all major players in these recent incidents, of which the door plug failure is just one.
Yeah,at Boeing, with their DEI hires, it probably would be easy for terrorists to get a job at Boeing and comprimise the lives of hundreds if not thousands of people with missing or not tightened bolts!Would have to be from Boeing as delivered. New aircraft and the standard 100 hour checks that the A&P's do wouldn't require disassembling the interior to check the fasteners.
¹You cannot correct the faults of these people or you are picking on them. The kind of a$$ chewing, for doing something stupid that could cost lives, is just not done with the DEI hires. They have been given participation trophies and praised for trying, or just showing up. We older aircraft mechanics cringe at what we see coming.
There are some good and very promising young mechanics coming in. They all had fathers who taught them, expected them to learn by themselves and held them to account with standards they expected. It is not all hopeless, but, the current direction of the industry is frightening.
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Interesting - it's beginning to appear that maybe this was an installation issue rather than a design or materials issue. It's still possible that the bolts might have been there and failed - which could point to a design and/or materials issue. Since it appears that the design had 4 restraining fasteners holding the door plug in place, it's hard to believe that the design of the door plug was the issue. Aircraft companies have had pretty decent design practices for doors/plugs for well over 60 years of designing jet aircraft, and it's likely that such was practiced here (despite the corporate move to "wokeness"). Further investigation should reveal whether or not it was an installation issue or a material strength issue with the fasteners or other attach hardware. They will especially take a look at the fracture surfaces of the track and other broken components to narrow down the cause.Hardware to secure panel that blew off Boeing 737 jet may never have been installed: NTSB
Federal investigators probing last week’s Alaska Airlines Boeing 737 fuselage panel blowout are looking into the possibility that the hardware that was supposed to keep it secured were never …nypost.com
Hardware to secure panel that blew off Boeing 737 jet may never have been installed: NTSB
Federal investigators probing last week’s near-disastrous Alaska Airlines Boeing 737 fuselage panel blowout are looking into the possibility that the hardware that was supposed to keep it secured was never installed in the first place.
National Transportation Safety Board officials made the revelation during a Monday night press conference, hours after United Airlines reported finding loose bolts and “installation issues” on some Boeing 737 MAX 9 jetliners in the wake of Friday evening’s emergency landing of Alaska Airlines Flight 1282 at Portland International Airport.
Officials told reporters the door plug came off the plane minutes after it took off from PDX, causing the cabin pressure to drop precipitously and creating the terrifying “loud” and “windy” conditions that led a young passenger sitting next to the missing door to reportedly lose his shirt as he was held down by his mother.
The large panel that was blown off the plane was located where an emergency exit door would normally be on a plane with more seats, and should have been secured by stop bolts and 12 interlocking pins and pads, investigators said.
“The exam to date has shown that the door did in fact translate upwards, all 12 stops became disengaged, allowing it to blow out of the fuselage,” said NTSB aerospace engineer Clint Crookshanks.
The panel that blew off the Alaska Airlines Boeing 737 last week may not have been bolted down, according to federal investigators. NTSB/Handout via REUTERS
“We found that both guide tracks on the plug were fractured … we have not yet recovered the four bolts … that restrain it from its vertical movement, and we have not determined if they existed there,” Crookshanks continued.
Investigators were looking to see if the bolts “were there, or … if they came out during the … violent explosive decompression event,” NTSB Chair Jennifer Homendy added.
The jet door plug that blew off the plane, followed by passengers’ personal items, was found by a Portland science teacher in his backyard Sunday, a discovery which investigators hope will offer more clues once it arrives at the NTSB’s Washington, DC, laboratory.
According to NTSB Chair Jennifer Homendy, investigators are looking into whether the bolts were installed or blew off during the flight. NTSB
The NTSB said the plane’s “very emotional” flight attendants were in counseling after being traumatized by the potentially deadly incident, which left no one seriously injured.
The crew members reported “pretty significant crew communications challenges during the event,” officials explained.
“They didn’t know what was occurring. They were certainly concerned, they stated, about the four unaccompanied minors and their focus was on them and the three lap children at the time,” Homendy said
“The flight attendants mentioned that the … communication was so poor that they felt like they, they really needed guidance and information, and it was, it was [a] pretty terrifying event.”
The plane’s captain and first officer also told investigators that the cockpit door flew open during the incident and said they heard a bang and felt pressure changes in their ears.
A laminated flight checklist even blew into the cabin before a flight attendant was able to close the cockpit door, officials revealed.
“They had trouble communicating … they had trouble hearing each other, they had trouble hearing air traffic control and they had trouble communicating throughout the event,” Homendy said.
Investigators did not connect the investigation to the loose bolts found on several United Boeing 737 MAX 9 jets, saying they were solely focused on Alaska Airlines Flight 1282.
The NTSB said it expected its investigation to take between a year and 18 months.
The Federal Aviation Administration on Sunday temporarily grounded some 170 of the planes internationally for inspections in the wake of the spine-tingling snafu.
All Boeing MAX jets were grounded for two years after two crashes on Indonesia’s Lion Air and Ethiopian Airlines in 2018 and 2019 killed 346 people.
Boeing’s president and CEO Dave Calhoun had scheduled a companywide safety meeting Tuesday.
“While we’ve made progress in strengthening our safety management and quality control systems and processes in the last few years, situations like this are a reminder that we must remain focused on continuing to improve every day,” Calhoun told his staffers.
The 757 went into production in 87. Stopped in 2004 so the newest 757 is about 20 years old. A wheel falling of is Delta problem, not Boeing.Boeing again, this time at Atlanta. Glad I don't fly...
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THISThe 757 went into production in 87. Stopped in 2004 so the newest 757 is about 20 years old. A wheel falling of is Delta problem, not Boeing.
If I heard correctly, the NTSB says they have not found any damage to the door mechanism of the airplane.Interesting - it's beginning to appear that maybe this was an installation issue rather than a design or materials issue. It's still possible that the bolts might have been there and failed - which could point to a design and/or materials issue. Since it appears that the design had 4 restraining fasteners holding the door plug in place, it's hard to believe that the design of the door plug was the issue. Aircraft companies have had pretty decent design practices for doors/plugs for well over 60 years of designing jet aircraft, and it's likely that such was practiced here (despite the corporate move to "wokeness"). Further investigation should reveal whether or not it was an installation issue or a material strength issue with the fasteners or other attach hardware. They will especially take a look at the fracture surfaces of the track and other broken components to narrow down the cause.
I wonder if the Navy's P-8 aircraft, based on 737s are getting some attention over the door plug blowout? P-8s use a lot of door plugs in place of emergency exits, since they don't have to worry about evacuating passengers.It wasn't just a window, it was an optional door that blew out at 16,000 feet.
JUST... HOLD IT... TOGETHER... Until November...As the scrutiny increases, we will likely see more and more manufacturing issues being discovered.
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This would be the worst outcome because it raises so many questions about build quality.
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I am not positive but I think those were two different incidents. I've seen the claims that the issues are DEI hires (and/or gen z, m, whatever, lazy little fxxks) and very dangerous shoddy workmanship. To support it I've seen people post some DEI crap that Boeing has put out.It wasn't just a window, it was an optional door that blew out at 16,000 feet.
Juan Browne says the problem is that Boeing and their suppliers use different work tracking systems, and the systems don't communicate with each other. My wife used to work with Boeing data and agrees that this is an old problem. I got a significant career boost in doing data reconciliation to make Boeing data agree with a vendor, so I definitely got the T-shirt.I think they must have problems with sabatours and just don't give a damn workers coming in.