INTL English 'doesn't exist' and is just badly pronounced French, linguist claims

Cardinal

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A French linguist has controversially claimed that the English language 'doesn't exist' and is just 'badly pronounced French'.

Bernard Cerquiglini, a linguistics professor from Lyon, points out that the English language uses thousands of words taken from French about 1,000 years ago.

Ironically, many of these have since reentered the French language but in a bastardised English form – such as 'stew', 'people' and 'shopping'.

Professor Cerquiglini, an adviser to President Macron, has already slammed the continued use of English words in French culture as 'distressing'.

His comments bring to mind the hopeless spy Officer Crabtree from the 80s sitcom 'Allo Allo', who is British but thinks he can speak fluent French in a convincing accent.

Professor Cerquiglini's new book is called 'La langue anglaise n'existe pas. C'est du français mal prononcé'

This translates as 'The English language does not exist. It's badly pronounced French'.

'French gave English essential vocabulary, that of law, trade, spirituality, art and government,' Professor Cerquiglini says, as reported by the Times.

'If English is a prestigious, international language today, it is thanks to French.'

In his book, Professor Cerquiglini argues that French has been the 'official and common language' of England for several centuries.

In the Middle Ages, a variety of languages were spoken by inhabitants of the British Isles, from Cornish to English to Norn – an extinct North Germanic language.

But after the Norman Conquest of 1066, led by William the Duke of Normandy, French became a major language in England.

Examples of English words with their origin in Norman French include 'accuse', 'bacon', 'enemy', 'surrender', 'people', 'chivalry', 'majesty' 'fashion', and 'wicket'.

However, many of the current spellings of these words are different from the original French, not to mention the pronunciation.

For example, 'people' comes from the old French word 'pueple', which has since become 'peuple' – referring to a general population, a specific nation or an ethnic group.

The English version, 'people', has infiltrated the French language and is a word used in France to refer to celebrities.

Butler comes from 'bouteiller', the name for a wine steward, while caterpillar is from the French 'cateplus' – hairy cat.

Vintage comes from 'vendanges', coward is 'couard', tennis is 'tenez', enemy is 'enemi', majesty is 'majeste' and fashion is 'façon'.

Wicket, the cricket term that conjures images of Englishness, actually comes from 'guischet', meaning a counter.

Many French words adapted by the English relate to cooking – for example, the English word 'stew' comes from the old French estuver, which means to steam cook, while pudding comes from 'boudin'.

Mushroom is from the old Norman word 'mousheron', while beef comes from 'buef', toast is from 'tostée' and porridge from 'potage'.

And gin, one of the most loved British tipples, comes from 'genevre', the word for the juniper berry used in the drink's creation.

According to the expert, up to 40 per cent of all English words have a French origin, equating to around 80,000 in all.

Professor Cerquiglini makes the point that many of them have come full circle – they started off as French, were borrowed and adapted by the English, and the English versions have since reentered the French lexicon, albeit in their new, English form.

He argues that it would be appropriate to reappropriate them, at least by pronouncing them in the French way.


Professor Cerquiglini is not the only Frenchman with a dislike for English terms entering the French language.

Another language professor, Jean Maillet, has labelled his countrymen as lazy for allowing an invasion of English words into the French vocabulary.

For example, French people use the English word 'look' as a noun, rather than French variations like 'aspect', 'apparence', 'tenue' or 'allure'.

Professor Maillet, who taught English at a Paris University, said: 'There's never been so many anglicisms in our vocabulary.

'There is as many as ten percent, and it's increasing exponentially.

'The reason is partly due to linguistic laziness, because many English words are shorter and more user-friendly than their French counterparts.

'They don't sound nice on the ear, but we use them because they have become automatic.'

Disco, nicompoop, boogie, and trollop are among the words that could go extinct within a generation as young people haven't heard of them.

As many as 40 per cent of 18-30 year olds have never heard of the word sozzled, meaning drunk, while 37 percent were unfamiliar with referring to a man who behaves dishonourably as a 'cad'.

Researchers from the Perspectus Global research agency, provided a long list of words to a panel of 2,000 respondents and asked them to identify which ones they had never heard of.

Many of the words have origins from the late 19th Century or later, and are more prevalent in the vocabularies of older generations.
 

Grumphau

Veteran Member
Funny, his comment sounds like something a talking head would say in Russia.

English is a Germanic language that borrowed many words not from standard Parisian French as would be the standard today but Old French. And not even "standard" Old French but Old Norman French which was it's own dialect/language (and still is today).
 

bw

Fringe Ranger
French and German languages have been at war forever. Germans decided to pronounce each and every letter. If you hear someone say a German word, you can spell it without error. So just to be petty the French decided to pronounce as few letters as possible. A French word of one syllable consisting of a single vowel sound may require twenty letters to spell.
 

Walrus

Veteran Member
The English have *always* thought the French are arrogant. :)
They are. Although it's as much a case of the pot calling the kettle black, particularly when one considers the English as opposed to the whole British populace. The Scots, Irish and Welsh undoubtedly have their own thoughts about this.

The Frenchies are really stirring the pot lately, whether it's talk about linguistics or placing troops in ongoing wars. Origin of linguistics is a good, abstract way to keep academics busy in dusty libraries with meaningless arguments signifying nothing.

Talk of sending military forces to hot zones, however, is something other than abstract in any sense. There could be at least three drivers for this foolishness, I think, and possibly more.

1. Macron is a fool who's been caught sending a lot of his troops to Ukraine and they're being killed whenever the Russkies discover their watering holes. He needs to begin covering his actions to account for those losses and has figured this kind of bluster might get him through.

2. The French government is butthurt about the Legion being steadily booted out of former African colonies and needs to send them somewhere to keep them on the payroll and out of France. The Foreign Legion is still a respected military, it seems.

3. Macron is desperate to stand up and get some credit from other EU fools for radical ideas which could be touted as gamechangers (but they won't be).
 

Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
Somebody should introduce this guy to Latin…

Yeah, French is at its base the evolution of Roman vulgar Latin and the native Germanic Gaulic tribal languages.

At the same time I've heard English described at its base as the pigeon developed between Norman soldiers and Aglo-Saxon barmaids to conduct "business".
 

Melodi

Disaster Cat
French, like Spanish, Italian, Romanian, and a few others, is a Latin-derived language. This jerk knows this. He's just getting his 15 minutes of fame in the media. Linguistics is not usually a high-profile job.

Sure, there are a lot of French words in English. The Norman French invasion in 1066 had something to do with that. For a few centuries, the Royal Court didn't speak much of anything besides Latin and Norman French.

But all those words are stuck onto Germanic grammar (Anglo-Saxon now called Old English), which Nightwolf technically got his degree in. He would have found this article very funny.
 

WalknTrot

Veteran Member
Meh. Just a Frenchman being "French".

English contains so many words derived from a multitude of languages, that it is the most descriptive and adaptive anywhere. Might be hard to learn "well" for non-natives, but there's a reason it's used as the closest we have to an international/globally communicative language.

American English in particular, is probably the most diverse and rich, being that we have such a strong English, Irish, Scot, but also Spanish, French, German, Dutch, Italian, Greek, Eastern European, Finn, Scandinavian, Russian, and Native American background all mashed up and still alive here. Haha...if you start including "place-names" it's almost an infinite number and variety. We as Americans use words from all of those languages and more on a daily basis.
 
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Housecarl

On TB every waking moment
I read somewhere once, that the English language and words are 40% French

For the better part of 200 years up to half of the territory of France was ruled by the Plantagenets (referred to as Angevin Empire/Empire Plantagenêt), until the end of the Hundred Years War, as well as England, Wales and Ireland.
 

ainitfunny

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Squib

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I seem to recall French was once the official court language of Germany.

I don’t know about that, but for centuries, French was…well the “Lingua Franca“, the universal language of trade, commerce, politics, etc.

Much like English is today.

Much like Latin was, and Greek before that…

I guess that the empire of the day gets to impose their language on the world…always been that way I imagine…going back to Sumer.
 

saeurs

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Lol. Wars have consequences. The French are still pissed about getting their asses kicked to the curb. The had all of South East Asia and completely screwed up those countries for years. Just look at how commonwealth countries compare to the ex-French colonial empire.
 
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