WAR EMP alert: TWO N. Korean satellites now orbit over U.S

Coco82919

Veteran Member
http://wec.wnd.com/t/155997/3017230/101331/5/



WASHINGTON – North Korea now has two satellites orbiting over the United States capable of performing a surprise electromagnetic pulse attack at an altitude and trajectory that evade U.S. National Missile Defenses, a national security expert warned in an interview with Joseph Farah’s G2 Bulletin.

Peter Vincent Pry told G2 Bulletin that the satellites can be commanded either to deorbit and hit a target on the ground or explode at a high altitude to create an EMP effect that would knock out the unprotected U.S. national electrical grid system and all life-sustaining critical infrastructures that depend on it.

“The threat,” Pry said, “continues to race, hare-like, at an alarming rate, compared to the tortoise pace of our preparations.”

The satellites – KMS 3-2 and KMS 4 – are orbiting at an altitude of 300 miles, with trajectories that put them daily over the U.S. KMS 3-2 was launched in December 2012 and KMS 4 was launched Feb. 7.

At such an altitude, an EMP could impact much of the continental United States, according to EMP experts.

Get the rest of this report, and others, from Joseph Farah’s G2 Bulletin.

Pry is executive director of the Task Force on National and Homeland Security and director of the U.S. Nuclear Strategy Forum, both congressional advisory boards. He also served on the congressionally mandated EMP commission and as an analyst with the Central Intelligence Agency.




Pry said that while the U.S. is aware of the satellites, it is unable to determine their payloads. The federal government hasn’t commented as much on the satellites as it has on North Korea’s ability to launch a missile capable of reaching the U.S.

The development comes at the same time North Korean leader Kim Jong Un has ordered his rocket forces to prepare for a nuclear attack on the U.S. The communist regime has released videos depicting nuclear attacks on Washington and New York City.

North Korea, meanwhile, is preparing for its fourth underground nuclear detonation. Pry said it’s really a hydrogen bomb with a purposefully low yield designed to emit more gamma rays for an EMP effect rather than for physical destruction on the ground.

‘Biggest existential threat’

Pry spoke to G2 Bulletin after his recent testimony to Canada’s Security and Defence Committee on the “biggest existential threat that our civilization faces right now,” an EMP attack.

He said, however, that the fix is relatively simple and inexpensive.

China and Russia, along with North Korea, already possess the ability to launch an EMP attack that could shut down indefinitely such life-sustaining critical infrastructures as communications, transportation, finance, the delivery of water and food, sanitation, medical equipment, emergency services, and oil and natural gas pipelines.

Get the rest of this report, and others, from Joseph Farah’s G2 Bulletin.



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beowulf

Contributing Member
95% of all stories are bullsh*t, but its stories like this that make it hard for me to figure out which % group it goes in. Just crazy enough that it could be true.
 

Weps

Veteran Member
I'd be more concern with them being an ASAT, our NRO/MIL satellite network is a big part of our CISR capabilities. Something along the lines of the original Istrebitel Sputnik concept wouldn't be hard to do for them.
 

TorahTips

Membership Revoked
Three simple letters let me know which % category to put it in: WND -- world nut daily. I haven't seen anything from the "news" source that is remotely true. In fact, I think they're owned by the Onion.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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The only people who believe (man-caused) EMP is a real threat have zero understanding of the technology required to launch a successful attack. Further, they have zero understanding of the fact that an enemy would have just launched a NUCLEAR WAR on the US, and that their cars not running would be the least of their worries.

So they run around like :hof:
 

Countrymouse

Country exile in the city
Only thing is, Dennis---

if you ARE wrong---

by the time all of us realize it, there won't be an internet available (or electricity to run it on) anymore to tell you "I told you so...."


:lol:
 

Ben Sunday

Deceased
Three simple letters let me know which % category to put it in: WND -- world nut daily. I haven't seen anything from the "news" source that is remotely true. In fact, I think they're owned by the Onion.

^^THIS^^

Outrageous 'pants on fire' hype and excessively quoted far beyond any possible credibility.
 

Blacknarwhal

Let's Go Brandon!
95% of all stories are bullsh*t, but its stories like this that make it hard for me to figure out which % group it goes in. Just crazy enough that it could be true.

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You never know....
 

Snyper

Veteran Member
They have 2 satellites, and it's my understanding they are both in a tumbling orbit.
They were technically failed launches

The odds of them being able to create an EMP blast are less than the odds of that fake Pterosaur being real

https://www.yahoo.com/tech/us-officials-north-korean-satellite-145532353.html

North Korea is dealing with an international fallout following the country’s weekend launch of a satellite-carrying rocket. The country reportedly launched a rocket and successfully deployed the Kwangmyŏngsŏng-4 satellite in orbit, reports CNN. According to U.S. Department of Defense officials who were monitoring the launch, the satellite reached its orbit, but is tumbling and nonfunctional.

The Democratic People’s Republic of Korea (North Korea) launched its Kwangmyŏngsŏng-4 satellite on Sunday despite objections internationally that the deployment violates earlier agreements prohibiting missile testing. Officials from concerned countries believe the rocket launches could be a front being used by North Korea to test and develop intercontinental ballistic missile technology. North Korean officials claim the launch was for “peaceful purposes” with officials asserting the Kwangmyŏngsŏng-4 satellite is an “earth observation satellite” that can be used to monitor agriculture. North Korean celebrated the launch with an official fireworks display in the capital city, Pyongyang. “We hope that the future of our space technology keeps growing and shines like these fireworks in the sky,” said an announcer during the state-sponsored broadcast.

Related: Dramatic SpaceX video shows Falcon 9 rocket land, topple over, and explode

South Korean officials claim to have found more than 170 pieces of debris thought to be from the North Korean rocket. Unlike previous rocket launches that produced debris suitable for further examination, North Korea is believed to have included a self-destruct feature that exploded the rocket booster to prevent other countries from studying their current technology.

The Kwangmyŏngsŏng-4 satellite is not the first North Korean satellite to reach orbit and then fail. The nation launched the Kwangmyŏngsŏng-3 Unit 2 satellite in December of 2012 and reportedly achieved orbit, making North Korea the 10th country capable of deploying satellites using its launch vehicles. Despite North Korea claims that the satellite was deployed and functioning as planned, U.S. officials reported the satellite was “tumbling out of control.” Visual data obtained by Spain, Italy, and the U.K..also suggested the satellite was tumbling as it orbited the Earth. Unlike this most recent launch, fragments of the rocket used to deploy the Kwangmyŏngsŏng-3 Unit 2 were collected in 2012 and examined by South Korean missile experts. Their examination suggests the North Korean engineers relied on old technology from the 1960s and 1970s for their rocket design.
 

tanstaafl

Has No Life - Lives on TB
At least THIS story got it enough right that the satellites are only SOMETIMES over the US. Previous pee-your-panties stories about these implied the satellites were ALWAYS over the US, which means GEO, which effectively means "useless" as far as any EMP fantasy goes. I'm just surprised/relieved they didn't somehow combine an EMP threat from North Korea with shipping containers, Chinese restaurants, and/or male pattern baldness. :)
 

Meadowlark

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Illuminati under your bed casting evil rays into your brain that only tinfoil can protect against.

Besides the NK's have not yet developed compact thermonuclear weapons in the megaton range, never mind the technology to launch them into orbit. I am not worried about little nk sputniks.
 

Thinwater

Firearms Manufacturer
The only people who believe (man-caused) EMP is a real threat have zero understanding of the technology required to launch a successful attack. Further, they have zero understanding of the fact that an enemy would have just launched a NUCLEAR WAR on the US, and that their cars not running would be the least of their worries.

So they run around like :hof:

I have to believe they are a threat based on conversations with my father. He is a retired physicists (PHD) who did EMP research for the .gov for several years, based out of The Oak Ridge national lab. He still wont go into specifics since it is still all classified, but says they are a very real threat and will really mess everything up.

I also think any true threat from them is more from Russia and China, not so much North Korea, but NK is working hard to catch up in the nuke game.
 

Meadowlark

Has No Life - Lives on TB
The far greater danger of an emp event is from a major solar flare like the Carrington event. For a man made event, you need large multi megaton events high above.
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
I have to believe they are a threat based on conversations with my father. He is a retired physicists (PHD) who did EMP research for the .gov for several years, based out of The Oak Ridge national lab. He still wont go into specifics since it is still all classified, but says they are a very real threat and will really mess everything up.

I also think any true threat from them is more from Russia and China, not so much North Korea, but NK is working hard to catch up in the nuke game.

I suspect what will happen is the equipment necessary for NK to pull this off will mysteriously fall off of a train/truck/plane with instructions on how to make said equipment operational and then it's lights out courtesy of China/Russia.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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I have to believe they are a threat based on conversations with my father. He is a retired physicists (PHD) who did EMP research for the .gov for several years, based out of The Oak Ridge national lab. He still wont go into specifics since it is still all classified, but says they are a very real threat and will really mess everything up.

I also think any true threat from them is more from Russia and China, not so much North Korea, but NK is working hard to catch up in the nuke game.

I stand by my post #8.
 

Kris Gandillon

The Other Curmudgeon
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De-orbit a satellite and make it come down where you want it to....and North Korea...in the same sentence...yea, right!
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
The issue Dennis and I have is PRIMARILY the fact that the PHYSICS doesn't WORK for orbital (H)EMP attacks, which is what we are talking about in all the fluffery of EMP...

THe Inverse Squared Law has yet to be repealed. Ain't likely to BE repealed in the foreseeable future.
 

Jez

Veteran Member
De-orbit a satellite and make it come down where you want it to....and North Korea...in the same sentence...yea, right!

What's NK's success rate for getting things off the launchpad successfully? They actually managed to get something in a stable orbit? More than once?
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
AH, if you were a slightly older hand here you would understand that Dennis listened to a guy who uses "Loup Garou" as a handle, who did a LOT of DoD EMP testing [both (H)EMP] and other frequency EMP'S has explained, WAY past the point of exhaustion, why Fortschen and the various Congress critters and a WHOLE FRIGGIN INDUSTRY are wrong about how fewer than half a dozen Orbital (and they best be LOW Earth Orbit) Nukes of over a few megatons can harm the US in ANY meaningful way.
Now, a Carrington Event is a whole 'nother kettle of fish.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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Chuck is correct. Though a degreed electronics engineer, my specialty is not high energy stuff. I trust Loup's assessments, posted on TB dozens of times.

But the :hof: people refuse to believe the objective reality of the numbers.
 

Thinwater

Firearms Manufacturer
AH, if you were a slightly older hand here you would understand that Dennis listened to a guy who uses "Loup Garou" as a handle, who did a LOT of DoD EMP testing [both (H)EMP] and other frequency EMP'S has explained, WAY past the point of exhaustion, why Fortschen and the various Congress critters and a WHOLE FRIGGIN INDUSTRY are wrong about how fewer than half a dozen Orbital (and they best be LOW Earth Orbit) Nukes of over a few megatons can harm the US in ANY meaningful way.
Now, a Carrington Event is a whole 'nother kettle of fish.

Starfish prime smoked streetlights in Hawaii 900 miles away, from an altitude of 250 miles. That is a diameter of 1800 miles, or most of the USA from a center of the USA detonation. A single pop from a frigate launched missile a couple of hundred miles off the east coast could get all of the main North East manufacturing area of the country, and all of DC. If they launched it up instead of toward the USA there would be no catching it to shoot it down. Computers are a lot more sensitive to the EMP than streetlights. Starfish prime was not "Tailored" to produce a large EMP, and still maxed out all meters.

See below story about it.

On July 9, 1962, at 09:00:09 Coordinated Universal Time (July 8, Honolulu time, at nine seconds after 11 p.m.), the Starfish Prime test was successfully detonated at an altitude of 400 kilometres (250 mi). The coordinates of the detonation were 16°28′N 169°38′WCoordinates: 16°28′N 169°38′W.[5] The actual weapon yield came very close to the design yield, which various sources have set at different values in the range of 1.4 to 1.45 megatons (6.0 PJ). The nuclear warhead detonated 13 minutes and 41 seconds after liftoff of the Thor missile from Johnston Island.[6]

Starfish Prime caused an electromagnetic pulse (EMP), which was far larger than expected, so much larger that it drove much of the instrumentation off scale, causing great difficulty in getting accurate measurements. The Starfish Prime electromagnetic pulse also made those effects known to the public by causing electrical damage in Hawaii, about 1,445 kilometres (898 mi) away from the detonation point, knocking out about 300 streetlights, setting off numerous burglar alarms and damaging a telephone company microwave link. The EMP damage to the microwave link shut down telephone calls from Kauai to the other Hawaiian islands.[5]

Even a regional hit from an offshore burst would cause a huge amount of damage and the resulting rioting and looting would surely kill many times that of the 911 hijackers. In addition to that the economy would be done, even if it only got one States power grid, like NY.
 

Thinwater

Firearms Manufacturer
Chuck is correct. Though a degreed electronics engineer, my specialty is not high energy stuff. I trust Loup's assessments, posted on TB dozens of times.

But the :hof: people refuse to believe the objective reality of the numbers.

I will keep this in mind and look for his stuff in the future. That would be truly good (better) news that the current level of doom that I have been exposed to regarding this subject.
 

Dennis Olson

Chief Curmudgeon
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As he has said before, the technology DOES exist, but is limited to ownership by the US, Russia, and MAYBE China. The norks DO NOT have the ability.
 

packyderms_wife

Neither here nor there.
Chuck is correct. Though a degreed electronics engineer, my specialty is not high energy stuff. I trust Loup's assessments, posted on TB dozens of times.

But the :hof: people refuse to believe the objective reality of the numbers.

The trend I've noticed is when threads like this pop up either a movie, book, tv show, or video came will soon come onto the scene. Those posting these threads are dredging for probability actuality data, i.e., how would this really work out in the meat world? I noticed this trend about six or seven years ago when the whole zombie thing suddenly popped up and then boom tons of movies, tv shows, and books on the topic were available to the masses.
 

end game

Veteran Member
The trend I've noticed is when threads like this pop up either a movie, book, tv show, or video came will soon come onto the scene. Those posting these threads are dredging for probability actuality data, i.e., how would this really work out in the meat world? I noticed this trend about six or seven years ago when the whole zombie thing suddenly popped up and then boom tons of movies, tv shows, and books on the topic were available to the masses.

Late to that game. Trailer for a game called homefront:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQeQWWKKvq4
 

LoupGarou

Ancient Fuzzball
If you want the real reason behind what happened during Starfish Prime and the actually minimal damage it really did do, read here: ece-research.unm.edu/summa/notes/SDAN/0031.pdf



KMS 4 (as well as KMS 3-2) are not a threat. They a weak attempt at an observation satellite. Here is what we know about the latest one so far:

KMS4
98Kg (I don't think any nuke is hiding in that mass in with the spaceframe, panels, and electronics)
Non-Stabalized, tumbling, orbit
Easily trackable
UHF Down on 465.9800 MHz +/- at least 50KHz, almost always on.
X-Band Down on 7.83GHz, 8.39GHz, and 8.47GHz (and who knows what other frequencies, all +/- at least 100MHz)

If you hear a signal on or near 465.9800MHz, start checking the X-Band frequencies.
Still playing with the encoding on the X-Band signals, but so far they are NOT Lrptdecoder or Elektro–L compatible.

It does not take much radio equipment to receive either signal. Plenty of people are working on it.

Interesting, but not an EMP threat. If NK wants to nuke us, it won't be form orbit, it will be from a plane, boat or truck.

Loup
 

Doc1

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Loup,

Do you believe that NK missile technology is too primitive to at least target US cities? Personally, I think the man in charge isn't suicidal enough to want to commit suicide by nuking anything. It would cost him his comfy dictator lifestyle. For many decades, the NK regime has done far more harm to its own people than anyone else. Unless the regime's existence is directly threatened, I expect them to maintain the status quo. In many ways, I think NK is more of a PITA to China than it is to us.

Best regards
Doc
 

LoupGarou

Ancient Fuzzball
Loup,

Do you believe that NK missile technology is too primitive to at least target US cities? Personally, I think the man in charge isn't suicidal enough to want to commit suicide by nuking anything. It would cost him his comfy dictator lifestyle. For many decades, the NK regime has done far more harm to its own people than anyone else. Unless the regime's existence is directly threatened, I expect them to maintain the status quo. In many ways, I think NK is more of a PITA to China than it is to us.

Best regards
Doc

No, I believe (especially after yesterday's test) that NK does have the capability of crude targeting. And with last night's submarine test, they could pop up a lot closer than comfortable. I do think that it would be suicidal for them to use it that way, since even with the current leadership, some retaliation would happen and it would be more than they want to deal with. I don't think they are stupid, just insane. But not insane enough to have their fingerprints all over any direct nuclear attack. By sub, shipping container, or van, possibly. Dropping out of the sky from a well known orbit (their accuracy isn't good enough for that, neither are their nose cones and shielding technology), won't be worth the risk. And blowing up any well tracked satellite in the upper atmosphere for a HEMP attack is at most a minor disruption with MAJOR consequences.

I'm betting that they use one in an act of aggression towards SK, and that it will happen in (much) less than 4-5 years. I'm betting that it will happen in the DMZ area, and an overrun will be attempted as soon as the dust clears a bit. I'm also betting that china is waiting for that moment to attack just about everything else in the area, including Japan.

Countries I am worried about hitting us with a direct attack from above (space/missile), or below (submarine):
russia, Possibly, depending on what we do elsewhere (like syria/turkey arena)
china, Yes (The markets or NK's actions, are the deciding "When" factor)
iran, Possibly, only because of their "mahdi" quest
NK, No.
India, No
..., No


Loup
 
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