HEALTH Emory Ebola patients facing long recovery, but they're now 'immune'

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http://www.11alive.com/story/news/local/2014/08/16/emory-ebola-patients-recovery-immune/14152323/

ATLANTA -- The news keeps getting better about Dr. Kent Brantly, one of the Ebola patients being treated at Emory University Hospital.

He and Nancy Writebol contracted Ebola while doing missionary work in Liberia.

There were no updates Friday about Ms. Writebol.

But Dr. Brantly released a statement saying, in part, "As my treatment continues... I am recovering in every way...There are still a few hurdles to clear before I can be discharged, but I hold on to the hope of a sweet reunion with my wife, children and family in the near future."

The two patients are just about at the end of the 21-day period during which they are contagious.

What's next for them?

They're going to be able to leave Emory University Hospital's isolation units.
Then they will likely need months to get back to full health.
But from now on, they won't be able to infect anyone else with Ebola, and no one will be able to infect them with Ebola.
"They're immune," said Rob Dretler, M.D., of Infectious Diseases Specialists in Atlanta.
The two, dedicated missionaries, who have been fighting the Ebola outbreak in west Africa, trying to save lives, ultimately will be able to go back to their mission posts, if they wish, and continue their fight.

They can't get Ebola again.

"Once they're out of Emory, it's really just a matter of rehab -- good nutrition and rehabilitation, building your muscles back up," said Dr. Dretler. "This kind of illness destroys your muscle tissue, so there will be a lot of muscle loss.... It leaves you very weak, and it's going to take a long time to recover.... There's nothing that's irreversable, they should get back to relatively normal lives after a few months."

For now, and, perhaps, for several weeks, he expects that they will be enduring achiness, pain and fatigue.

But Dr. Dretler said that it is the medical care they have been receiving at Emory University Hospital -- care that not available, yet, in west Africa -- that saved them from developing side effects that could have made their recovery even more difficult.
"It's modern medical care, so they didn't have the complications of kidney failure, liver failure, things that can happen when you're desperately ill."
Dr. Dretler thinks their suffering and recovery are delivering a message to the rest of the country that it is in America's self-interest to intervene in west Africa's Ebola outbreak with even greater urgency, "Sending what resources we have, trained personnel, properly equipped personnel, to try to stop it before it spreads farther and becomes a world pandemic."
 

Hfcomms

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But from now on, they won't be able to infect anyone else with Ebola...

What's that Gracie? Not according to the studies that indicate that they will still have virus in their systems for quite some time. If you have virus in your fluids your still able to infect someone who comes into contact with those fluids even if your on the mend. Both of them need to stay in isolation until virus isn't detectable in any of their fluids.
 

2x2

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I would think they will be doing lab tests UNTIL, repeat, until the virus is gone.
Of the few times that me or mine have been hospitalized, we were NOT cleared for discharge until ALL vital signs are normal. This for minor stuff, In case of Ebola, probably more so.
 

summerthyme

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The problem is, apparently "vital signs" can be "normal"... and they can STILL carry the virus in some body fluids! And where in the world did the morons get this??? "The two patients are just about at the end of the 21-day period during which they are contagious." Good grief- can we get some journalists with SOME scientific or medical knowledge- or at least the ability to read and research?!!

As far as immunity- they should be immune unless the virus mutates significantly. It appears that it does so while "in the wild" (in animal vectors), although it's so dangerous to study that I suspect we don't really know how quickly or significantly it does change. Or whether those changes (which seem to have extended the incubation period as well as made it *somewhat* less virulent (55% fatality rate, compared to 90%) would negate the effectiveness of a vaccine if there was one.

Summerthyme
 

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CDC Ebola guidelines;

http://emergency.cdc.gov/han/han00364.asp



Distributed via the CDC Health Alert Network
August 1, 2014 20:00 ET (8:00 PM ET)
CDCHAN-00364

Summary

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) continues to work closely with the World Health Organization (WHO) and other partners to better understand and manage the public health risks posed by Ebola Virus Disease (EVD). To date, no cases have been reported in the United States. The purpose of this health update is 1) to provide updated guidance to healthcare providers and state and local health departments regarding who should be suspected of having EVD, 2) to clarify which specimens should be obtained and how to submit for diagnostic testing, and 3) to provide hospital infection control guidelines.

U.S. hospitals can safely manage a patient with EVD by following recommended isolation and infection control procedures. Please disseminate this information to infectious disease specialists, intensive care physicians, primary care physicians, hospital epidemiologists, infection control professionals, and hospital administration, as well as to emergency departments and microbiology laboratories.

Background

CDC is working with the World Health Organization (WHO), the ministries of health of Guinea, Liberia, and Sierra Leone, and other international organizations in response to an outbreak of EVD in West Africa, which was first reported in late March 2014. As of July 27, 2014, according to WHO, a total of 1,323 cases and 729 deaths (case fatality 55-60%) had been reported across the three affected countries. This is the largest outbreak of EVD ever documented and the first recorded in West Africa.

EVD is characterized by sudden onset of fever and malaise, accompanied by other nonspecific signs and symptoms, such as myalgia, headache, vomiting, and diarrhea. Patients with severe forms of the disease may develop hemorrhagic symptoms and multi-organ dysfunction, including hepatic damage, renal failure, and central nervous system involvement, leading to shock and death. The fatality rate can vary from 40-90%.

In outbreak settings, Ebola virus is typically first spread to humans after contact with infected wildlife and is then spread person-to-person through direct contact with bodily fluids such as, but not limited to, blood, urine, sweat, semen, and breast milk. The incubation period is usually 8–10 days (ranges from 2–21 days). Patients can transmit the virus while febrile and through later stages of disease, as well as postmortem, when persons touch the body during funeral preparations.

Patient Evaluation Recommendations to Healthcare Providers

Healthcare providers should be alert for and evaluate suspected patients for Ebola virus infection who have both consistent symptoms and risk factors as follows: 1) Clinical criteria, which includes fever of greater than 38.6 degrees Celsius or 101.5 degrees Fahrenheit, and additional symptoms such as severe headache, muscle pain, vomiting, diarrhea, abdominal pain, or unexplained hemorrhage; AND 2) Epidemiologic risk factors within the past 3 weeks before the onset of symptoms, such as contact with blood or other body fluids of a patient known to have or suspected to have EVD; residence in—or travel to—an area where EVD transmission is active; or direct handling of bats, rodents, or primates from disease-endemic areas. Malaria diagnostics should also be a part of initial testing because it is a common cause of febrile illness in persons with a travel history to the affected countries.

Testing of patients with suspected EVD should be guided by the risk level of exposure, as described below:

CDC recommends testing for all persons with onset of fever within 21 days of having a high-risk exposure. A high-risk exposure includes any of the following:
•percutaneous or mucous membrane exposure or direct skin contact with body fluids of a person with a confirmed or suspected case of EVD without appropriate personal protective equipment (PPE),
•laboratory processing of body fluids of suspected or confirmed EVD cases without appropriate PPE or standard biosafety precautions, or
•participation in funeral rites or other direct exposure to human remains in the geographic area where the outbreak is occurring without appropriate PPE.

For persons with a high-risk exposure but without a fever, testing is recommended only if there are other compatible clinical symptoms present and blood work findings are abnormal (i.e., thrombocytopenia <150,000 cells/µL and/or elevated transaminases) or unknown.

Persons considered to have a low-risk exposure include persons who spent time in a healthcare facility where EVD patients are being treated (encompassing healthcare workers who used appropriate PPE, employees not involved in direct patient care, or other hospital patients who did not have EVD and their family caretakers), or household members of an EVD patient without high-risk exposures as defined above. Persons who had direct unprotected contact with bats or primates from EVD-affected countries would also be considered to have a low-risk exposure. Testing is recommended for persons with a low-risk exposure who develop fever with other symptoms and have unknown or abnormal blood work findings. Persons with a low-risk exposure and with fever and abnormal blood work findings in absence of other symptoms are also recommended for testing. Asymptomatic persons with high- or low-risk exposures should be monitored daily for fever and symptoms for 21 days from the last known exposure and evaluated medically at the first indication of illness.

Persons with no known exposures listed above but who have fever with other symptoms and abnormal bloodwork within 21 days of visiting EVD-affected countries should be considered for testing if no other diagnosis is found. Testing may be indicated in the same patients if fever is present with other symptoms and blood work is abnormal or unknown. Consultation with local and state health departments is recommended.

If testing is indicated, the local or state health department should be immediately notified. Healthcare providers should collect serum, plasma, or whole blood. A minimum sample volume of 4 mL should be shipped refrigerated or frozen on ice pack or dry ice (no glass tubes), in accordance with IATA guidelines as a Category B diagnostic specimen. Please refer to http://www.cdc.gov/ncezid/dhcpp/vspb/specimens.html for detailed instructions and a link to the specimen submission form for CDC laboratory testing.

[Update 8/8/2014: Subsequent to the issuance of HAN 364, CDC has made a minor revision and now recommends that healthcare workers contact their state and/or local health department and CDC to determine the proper category for shipment based on clinical history and risk assessment by CDC. State guidelines may differ and state or local health departments should be consulted prior to shipping. For updated guidance on specimen submission, visit http://www.cdc.gov/ncezid/dhcpp/vspb/specimens.html for detailed instructions and a link to the specimen submission form for CDC laboratory testing.

CDC has also posted Interim Guidance for Specimen Collection, Transport, Testing, and Submission for Patients with Suspected with Ebola Virus Disease at http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/hcp/in...sion-patients-suspected-infection-ebola.html]

Recommended Infection Control Measures

U.S. hospitals can safely manage a patient with EVD by following recommended isolation and infection control procedures, including standard, contact, and droplet precautions. Early recognition and identification of patients with potential EVD is critical. Any U.S. hospital with suspected patients should follow CDC’s Infection Prevention and Control Recommendations for Hospitalized Patients with Known or Suspected Ebola Hemorrhagic Fever in U.S. Hospitals (http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/hcp/infection-prevention-and-control-recommendations.html). These recommendations include the following:
•Patient placement: Patients should be placed in a single patient room (containing a private bathroom) with the door closed.
•Healthcare provider protection: Healthcare providers should wear: gloves, gown (fluid resistant or impermeable), shoe covers, eye protection (goggles or face shield), and a facemask. Additional PPE might be required in certain situations (e.g., copious amounts of blood, other body fluids, vomit, or feces present in the environment), including but not limited to double gloving, disposable shoe covers, and leg coverings.
•Aerosol-generating procedures: Avoid aerosol-generating procedures. If performing these procedures, PPE should include respiratory protection (N95 filtering facepiece respirator or higher) and the procedure should be performed in an airborne isolation room.
•Environmental infection control: Diligent environmental cleaning and disinfection and safe handling of potentially contaminated materials is paramount, as blood, sweat, emesis, feces and other body secretions represent potentially infectious materials. Appropriate disinfectants for Ebola virus and other filoviruses include 10% sodium hypochlorite (bleach) solution, or hospital-grade quaternary ammonium or phenolic products. Healthcare providers performing environmental cleaning and disinfection should wear recommended PPE (described above) and consider use of additional barriers (e.g., shoe and leg coverings) if needed. Face protection (face shield or facemask with goggles) should be worn when performing tasks such as liquid waste disposal that can generate splashes. Follow standard procedures, per hospital policy and manufacturers’ instructions, for cleaning and/or disinfection of environmental surfaces, equipment, textiles, laundry, food utensils and dishware.

Recommendations to Public Health Officials

If public health officials have a patient that is suspected of having EVD or has potentially been exposed and intends to travel, please contact CDC’s Emergency Operations Center 1 (770) 488-7100.






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Doomer Doug

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The assumption they can't infect other people with the Ebola virus is why assume can mean ass of u and me!

Doomer Doug would not get within one quarter MILE of these people EVER. Granted, they may not be able to be reinfected with Ebola, much less show symptoms, THIS DOES NOT MEAN THEY CAN'T INFECT OTHER PEOPLE FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIVES.

Typhoid Mary never showed any symptoms, nor did she ever get sick from Typhus, but she infected many, many other people.
 

FarmerJohn

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Semen is supposed to be infectious forum to 7 week from 'recovery'.

Once cleared (by analysis of ALL fluids) they will hopefully consent to donating the antibodies to Ebola that their blood now contains to help generate more of the serum that may have contributed to their survival.

The rationale for giving these westerners who'd contracted Ebola must have included their ability to give informed consent to the experimental procedure as well as an assumed quid pro quo that they would continue to assist in the fight against this horrid disease, even to the point of donating body fluids. That last point is no small thing considering the level of education in Liberia where essentially nobody was being educated for a whole generation during their horrible civil war. Suspicion of medical professionals has been a serious impediment to the control of the epidemic.
 
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Melodi

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One small bright note in this, even before the good doctor was evacuated from Africa, my husband pointed out that if he managed to life it might be possible to get a handle on a vaccine using his blood and antibodies (in a proper lab of course). I gather that is the way they got the treatment the doctor had in the first place from a young patient of his own that pulled through, the serum was made from his blood in the US and then sent back as a treatment.

Husband also suspected this was another one of the reasons the CDC allowed the two desperately ill health workers back into the US; not the only reason but one of the better ones.
 

Millwright

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This sounds like a zombie apocalypse story.

No one wanted them to come here, they will be suspected carriers of ebola for a long time.

Yet they may be the only ones that can provide the antibodies for a vaccine.


We just need to hear that Dr. Evil is trying to kill them because their existence can ruin his plan to dominate the world with an ebola plague.
 

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Notice this info further down in the article; So can we discount " Long term infection probabilities"

"Dr. Brantly also received a unit of blood from a 14-year-old boy who had survived Ebola under his care."

http://www.samaritanspurse.org/arti...liberia-west-africa-tests-positive-for-ebola/

Doctor with Ebola Being Treated in Atlanta

August 15, 2014
Liberia
Samaritan's Purse physician, SIM missionary are recovering in an isolation unit at Emory University Hospital.

Dr. Kent Brantly’s condition is improving as he remains in the isolation unit at Emory University Hospital in Atlanta. His wife, Amber, has been able to see him and said he was in good spirits.

“I have been able to see Kent every day, and he continues to improve,” she said. “I am thankful for the professionalism and kindness of Dr. (Bruce) Ribner and his team at Emory University Hospital. I know that Kent is receiving the very best medical treatment available.”

Dr. Brantly, who contracted the Ebola virus while treating patients in Liberia, is being treated at a special unit set up in collaboration with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) to treat patients who are exposed to certain serious infectious diseases. He was flown to the U.S. in a medical evacuation plane equipped with a special containment unit.

“As my treatment continues in the isolation unit at Emory University Hospital, I am recovering in every way,” he said in a statement released by Samaritan’s Purse. “I thank God for the healthcare team here who is giving me compassionate, world-class care. I am more grateful every day to the Lord for sparing my life and continuing to heal my body.”

American Nancy Writebol, a missionary with SIM who also contracted Ebola in Liberia, is also being treated at the isolation unit.

“We thank God that they are alive and now have access to the best care in the world,” said Franklin Graham, president of Samaritan’s Purse. “We are extremely thankful for the help we have received from the State Department, the CDC, the National Institute of Health, WHO and, of course, Emory Hospital.

“Please keep praying and thank God for all He is doing.”

Samaritan’s Purse evacuated all but the most essential personnel from Liberia to their home countries. None of the evacuating staff were ill, and the World Health Organization and CDC continue to reiterate that people are not contagious unless they begin showing symptoms. Following their evacuation, Samaritan’s Purse will work with staff to monitor their health.

National staff who remained in Liberia continue to carry out an Ebola prevention and awareness campaign.

Both Dr. Brantly and Writebol received a dose of an experimental serum while still in Liberia. Dr. Brantly also received a unit of blood from a 14-year-old boy who had survived Ebola under his care.

“The young boy and his family wanted to be able to help the doctor that saved his life,” Graham said.

Dr. Brantly was serving as medical director for the Samaritan’s Purse Ebola Consolidated Case Management Center in Monrovia when he tested positive for Ebola.

Dr. Brantly, a family practice physician, was serving in Liberia through our post-residency program before joining the medical team responding to the Ebola crisis. His wife and two children had been living with him in Liberia but flew home to the U.S. before he started showing any signs of illness.

Nancy Writebol, with her husband David, Writebol works with SIM, a partner organization that has been working with Samaritan’s Purse to combat Ebola.
Writebol works with SIM, which manages ELWA Hospital. SIM and Samaritan’s Purse have been working closely to combat Ebola since the current outbreak began in Liberia in March. She had been working as a hygienist who decontaminated those entering and leaving the isolation ward of the Case Management Center at the hospital. She is married with two children.

“Their heroic and sacrificial service—along with the entire team there—is a shining example of Christ’s love in this crisis situation,” Graham said.



The two cases underscore the seriousness of the horrific outbreak that is spreading throughout Liberia, Sierra Leone, and Guinea and infecting hundreds of people at an unprecedented rate. The deadly disease, which causes massive internal bleeding and has a mortality rate of 60 to 90 percent in most situations, has claimed more than 880 lives.

In the span of 32 years (1976-2008), the Ebola virus infected 2,232 people in remote village areas and killed 1,503. Just since early this year, the mortality rate has already claimed nearly a third of those fatalities as it has infiltrated three capital cities with populations in the millions.

Dr. Brantly completed his residency in family medicine at John Peter Smith Hospital in Fort Worth, Texas, before joining the post-residency program.

“There’s an incredible level of braveness in Kent,” Robert Earley, president and CEO of JPS Health Network, told the Fort Worth Star-Telegram. “You don’t meet people like this every day.”

Dr. Kent Brantly cares for an Ebola patient in the isolation ward before he tested positive for the virus.

Dr. Brantly is undergoing treatment at a Samaritan’s Purse isolation center at ELWA Hospital.


Please continue to pray for Dr. Brantly and Nancy Writebol.
 

Heretic

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But from now on, they won't be able to infect anyone else with Ebola...

What's that Gracie? Not according to the studies that indicate that they will still have virus in their systems for quite some time. If you have virus in your fluids your still able to infect someone who comes into contact with those fluids even if your on the mend. Both of them need to stay in isolation until virus isn't detectable in any of their fluids.

Even after Ebola can't be found in the blood, urine, feces etc, it can still be present in seminal fluid. Back when Marburg (Ebola's sister filovirus) was 'stalking' West Germany, one guy recovered, and infected his wife.

I have read different periods of time, but 3 months should be enough.

Terry
 

Night Owl

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>U.S. hospitals can safely manage a patient with EVD<. :bhmo:

There is the kicker......a patient. What happens if there are hundreds plus....can they manage? I think not.
 

hunybee

Veteran Member
they may be immune to THAT PARTICULAR strain of ebola, but they can still get another ebola strain and get sick again, can't they? like the gadzillion cold and flu viruses? just because you have had the flu or a cold once does not mean you will never get another.
 

summerthyme

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they may be immune to THAT PARTICULAR strain of ebola, but they can still get another ebola strain and get sick again, can't they? like the gadzillion cold and flu viruses? just because you have had the flu or a cold once does not mean you will never get another.

I honestly don't believe anyone has a clue. I personally think it's unlikely, but could change my mind if there are any studies showing that animals which recovered once were able to be reinfected. One of the things I've observed over the years in animals (and humans, to a lesser extent) is that the severity of the disease has a lot to do with the strength of the immune response and the length of time the antibodies hang around.

Plus, the "common cold" is caused by many different viruses (most in the same general family, but that would be more like someone recovering from Marburg and then catching Ebola, not having recovered from "old Ebola" and then getting the new variant)

The end result, is we don't know for sure... but I wouldn't have any problem shaking Dr Brantly's hand ONCE HE IS TESTED CLEAR of the virus in his secretions.

Summerthyme
 
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