GOV/MIL Emerging Sub Spotting Technology Threatens Nuclear Deterrence

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Emerging Sub Spotting Technology Threatens Nuclear Deterrence

Written by Michael Byrne, Editor
July 3, 2016 // 10:00 AM EST

Somehow through 70 years of nuclear buildup we've managed to avoid complete annihilation or worse. No world leader has pushed the button or turned the key or made the call, no volleys of ICBMs have been launched from cornfield silos, no squadrons of bombers have taken off on one last nuclear-armed flight. We are alive, even though, as any reasonable alien observer might conclude, we should not be.

Some large part of this of course has to do with our old friend mutually assured destruction, or just MAD. If you obliterate us, we will obliterate you. Key to this is that each nuclear-armed nation partaking in the MAD standoff has the ability to retaliate should any other nation launch an attack, no matter what. This is known as second strike capability. Each nation knows that there is no first strike that can be launched that will prevent a second strike retaliation. It doesn't exist.

This second strike capability rests largely on fleets of nuclear submarines. The depths of Earth's oceans offer some spectacularly effective hiding places and it's here that our second strikes lurk silently. Your nation can nuke every square inch of mine, but there is not a whole lot that you can do about my hidden navy of death-shadows.

Technology is changing what used to be a nuclear deterrence given, however. As detailed in a new report in the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists authored by naval strategist James R Holmes, navies are coming up with new ways of hunting even the deepest, most hidden submarines. Simply, no sub can run completely silently—owing at the very least to the swoosh of water around its hull—and so their unmasking is nearly inevitable given improving listening technology. And, indeed, that tech has improved to the point where once ghostly submarines have become fair game for detection and, if neccessary, elimination.

There are a number of new technologies being developed to this end, according to the Bulletin paper. "The Distributed Agile Submarine Hunting program, to name one, will strew 'deep-ocean sonar nodes' across broad areas of seafloor," Holmes writes. "Deployment remains some way off, but these sonar nodes, or 'subullites,' would be equipped with a wide field of view in order to gaze upward to detect and track subs passing overhead."

So far, engineers have built one node-based prototype and it's expected that eventually these arrays of nodes will be deployed across vast reaches of the ocean. A second component of a future sub detection net may come in the form of an under-development unmanned undersea craft known as the Submarine Hold at RisK, or "SHARK." Once a sub is detected, it will be the SHARK's job to silently stalk it, reporting its findings back to human commanders. Escalation being escalation, we can expect that Russia and China are working on similar tech.

"If so, the wine-dark sea will become transparent to sub-hunters for the first time," Holmes frets. "No longer will attack subs be able to form picket lines, awaiting foes closing in from afar. No longer will attack boats be able to assail enemy subs or surface vessels, or bombard hostile shores, without fear of retribution. And no longer will ballistic-missile subs vanish into opaque patrol grounds, immune to detection, to mount the threat of atomic devastation. In short, anti-sub technology will have reduced Kissinger’s first variable, power—and deterrence along with it."

Generally, things can go two ways from here, according to Holmes. If nuclear powers roughly keep pace with each in developing this sort of technology, nuclear deterrence should remain much that same as ever, but if one nation gets out ahead, then things become shaky. The powers without the tech become anxious, while those with it feel pressured to use their "decapitation strike" advantage while they have it. In other words, there is a risk to becoming too good at this stuff.

"Succeeding too big in offensive and defensive submarine warfare could give rise to a first-strike psychology that primes opponents to hit first or launch at the first suspicion of an attack," Holmes concludes. "Upsetting the undersea nuclear balance is therefore something Washington should undertake only after ample forethought. That’s something to ponder, especially during an election year."
 

Doc1

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I'm not going to go too deeply (pun intended) into submarine detection technology, but as many of you may recall, I am something of a radiation hobbyist. As with most of my hobbies, this has involved copious reading over the decades of related technical and theoretical material. Many years ago, for reasons I won't go into on an open forum, I surmised that there were - at least in theory - certain nuclear-related methods of submarine detection which could detect even the deepest diving boats. Again, this is pure theoretical speculation on my part and I'm not privy to any classified material, but let's just say that I came to believe that certain types of ultra-sensitive orbital detectors, combined with supercomputers to detect certain types of physics anomalies could make the oceans transparent to nuclear-propelled submarines.

These things, as well as the sonar technology referenced in the OP and other technologies have brought the sub detection game into an entirely different level than when the USS Nautilus (SSN-571) was commissioned in 1954!


Best regards
Doc
 

Millwright

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I would have to agree with you Doc...even without the tech knowledge.

Technology we actually posses is decades ahead of what we admit to having.
 

Dozdoats

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And don't overlook submersible drones...
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https://www.engadget.com/2016/04/08/darpa-christens-actuv-sea-hunter/

DARPA christens its anti-submarine drone ship 'Sea Hunter'

We can stop calling it ACTUV now.

Mariella Moon , @mariella_moon
04.08.16 in Security

DARPA's Anti-Submarine Warfare Continuous Trail Unmanned Vessel (ACTUV) has a brand new and less tongue twisty name: Sea Hunter. The agency made the announcement at the drone ship's christening in Portland, following a series of speed tests conducted these past few days. Now that DARPA Director Arati Prabhakar is done smashing a bottle over its bow, it's ready to begin a battery of tests to be held within the next two years. The military has to make sure the 132-foot self-driving ship can evade other marine vessels using its radar and cameras, among other things, before it can officially deploy it.

Sea Hunter has the capability to hunt stealthy foreign submarines -- China's and Russia's navies both have big submarine fleets -- and follow them for two to three months at a time. Deputy US Defense Secretary Robert Work clarified to Reuters during the event, though, that the drone doesn't have weapons. If the military decides equip it with any, Work said the decision to use them would be made by human personnel. We're guessing they'd be controlled remotely, since the ship wasn't designed to house a crew on board. The ship is slated to start its open-ocean tests this summer off the California coast.
 

vestige

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Deputy US Defense Secretary Robert Work clarified to Reuters during the event, though, that the drone doesn't have weapons. If the military decides equip it with any, Work said the decision to use them would be made by human personnel. We're guessing they'd be controlled remotely, since the ship wasn't designed to house a crew on board.

Hacker Heaven

The SOBs are crazy.
 

Doc1

Has No Life - Lives on TB
And don't overlook submersible drones...
==========================

https://www.engadget.com/2016/04/08/darpa-christens-actuv-sea-hunter/

DARPA christens its anti-submarine drone ship 'Sea Hunter'

We can stop calling it ACTUV now.

Mariella Moon , @mariella_moon
04.08.16 in Security

DARPA's Anti-Submarine Warfare Continuous Trail Unmanned Vessel (ACTUV) has a brand new and less tongue twisty name: Sea Hunter. The agency made the announcement at the drone ship's christening in Portland, following a series of speed tests conducted these past few days. Now that DARPA Director Arati Prabhakar is done smashing a bottle over its bow, it's ready to begin a battery of tests to be held within the next two years. The military has to make sure the 132-foot self-driving ship can evade other marine vessels using its radar and cameras, among other things, before it can officially deploy it.

Sea Hunter has the capability to hunt stealthy foreign submarines -- China's and Russia's navies both have big submarine fleets -- and follow them for two to three months at a time. Deputy US Defense Secretary Robert Work clarified to Reuters during the event, though, that the drone doesn't have weapons. If the military decides equip it with any, Work said the decision to use them would be made by human personnel. We're guessing they'd be controlled remotely, since the ship wasn't designed to house a crew on board. The ship is slated to start its open-ocean tests this summer off the California coast.


Doz,

This will only come down to the old game of countermeasures. If drone submersibles can be constructed to hunt actual submarines, other drone submersibles can be constructed to mimic actual submarines. Crew and machinery noises, hydrological and acoustics waves and even nuclear reactor emissions could be duplicated in a drone to simulate an actual submarine. Then we get into the semi-ridiculous scenario of killer drones hunting (possibly armed and reactive) drone decoys. The oceans could literally become congested with these things and then katy-bar-the-door should any of these (autonomous) AI devices decide that WWIII seemed like a good idea.

Best (and very wary) regards
Doc
 
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