HEALTH Ebola: White House will NOT impose travel restrictions

mzkitty

I give up.
The White House said Wednesday it will not impose travel restrictions or introduce new airport screenings to prevent additional cases of Ebola from entering the United States.

Spokesman Josh Earnest said that current anti-Ebola measures, which include screenings in West African airports and observation of passengers in the United States, will be sufficient to prevent the “wide spread” of the virus.

The chances of a U.S. epidemic are “incredibly low,” he said.

“The reason for that is that it is not possible to transmit Ebola through the air. ... The only way that an individual can contract Ebola is by coming into contact with the bodily fluids of someone who is exhibiting symptoms.”

The comments were made after federal health officials confirmed that a man with Ebola traveled to the United States from Liberia on Sept. 20. He is now being treated in isolation in a Dallas hospital as public health workers trace his contacts.

Earnest said President Obama has “strong confidence” in the man's medical care and the measures currently in place to prevent Ebola's spread.

“We've provided guidance to pilots, flight attendants and others who are responsible for staffing our transportation infrastructure to ensure that if they notice individuals who are exhibiting symptoms ... that the proper authorities are notified,” Earnest said.

“In light of this incident, the administration has taken the step of re-circulating our guidance ... to make sure people are aware there is an important protocol that should be implemented.”

It is difficult to spot Ebola cases unless the person is already exhibiting symptoms, such as fever, vomiting or reddened eyes.

West African countries are screening travelers for elevated temperatures, but it is possible to be infected and not show signs for several weeks.
 

Hognutz

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Elections have consequences......We have seen it too many times...
 

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Doc1

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IMHO this is proof (as if we needed more) that the WH wants to create a health crisis. The authorities aren't yet sure that they have sucessfully isolated and contained the Dallas ebola case, yet we are going to continue to bring planeloads of potential infection cases into the country. If this was an isolated policy decision it might be attributed to gross incompetence, yet when combined with decisions to send 700 US troops from the 101st Airborne Division to Liberia, a pattern clearly emerges.

The 700 airborne troops are being sent to "help" with the crisis in Liberia, yet these soldiers - on the whole - have no special medical skills. Of course there will be combat medics in any airborne division, but their limited, specialized medical skills do not apply to infectious disease containment. They are trained to stabilize serious trauma cases until they can be brought to more sophisticated aid stations and hospitals. The bulk of the troops, including the medics, are basically trained to kill people and break things. Sending those troops to an affected area is essentially as useless as sending 700 plumbers or accountants. (NOTE: DW just told me that she heard an update that they are sending 3000 troops).

Obviously, these troops, after being exposed to the ebola virus, will then interact with other members of the military and their friends and families. This is a surefire way to help ensure the spread of the disease. Those soldiers must surely be starting to understand the guinea pig nature of their new orders. I hope that both they and their families start to publicly protest this insanity.

Best regards
Doc
 

mzkitty

I give up.
I don't know, Doc. These troops are young people and will have no recollection of seeing pictures from the bad Ebola outbreak in the 1980's -- pictures of people with blood pouring from their eyes and such. Nobody is going to show them those pictures, so they probably have no idea what Ebola really means.....

I don't recall any travel restrictions from Africa being imposed back then, but on the other hand there were no cases in the US at that time.

I can't believe these stupid schmucks in charge today. They really are insane. And worse.

:dvl2:
 

Bob1313

Membership Revoked
This just opens up the air bridge from West Africa, straight into the U.S. when this is done and over were gonna see possibly millions of African Refugees imported into the u.s. with no education, no skills, no future and cared for by white american tax dollars, Obama's plan to relegate white americans to minority status is full go ahead and working perfectly, you gotta give it to him, just drop the racist word(gasp!) and people just totally lock up, white Americans are literally funding their own demise, you just can't make this shit up.
 

NoDandy

Has No Life - Lives on TB
This just opens up the air bridge from West Africa, straight into the U.S. when this is done and over were gonna see possibly millions of African Refugees imported into the u.s. with no education, no skills, no future and cared for by white american tax dollars, Obama's plan to relegate white americans to minority status is full go ahead and working perfectly, you gotta give it to him, just drop the racist word(gasp!) and people just totally lock up, white Americans are literally funding their own demise, you just can't make this shit up.
And I hope the first wave of Americans to be infected are all of the idiots that voted for Ovomit !!
 

Kris Gandillon

The Other Curmudgeon
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I don't know, Doc. These troops are young people and will have no recollection of seeing pictures from the bad Ebola outbreak in the 1980's -- pictures of people with blood pouring from their eyes and such. Nobody is going to show them those pictures, so they probably have no idea what Ebola really means.....

I don't recall any travel restrictions from Africa being imposed back then, but on the other hand there were no cases in the US at that time.

I can't believe these stupid schmucks in charge today. They really are insane. And worse.

:dvl2:

An interesting factoid about this Ebola outbreak is that only around 50% of the patients actually go hemorrhagic...and only in the very latter stages...but most of those who do go hemorrhagic do die. About 20% of those who die from Ebola never go hemorrhagic.

Notice also that Ebola was previously referenced as EHF (Ebola Hemorrhagic Fever) but is now simply called EVD (Ebola Virus Disease).
 

Hfcomms

EN66iq
We're now entering into the end game people. The lack of action by the White House on this is criminal in my mind. They pull so much stuff under the guise of national security when it comes to restricting the rights of citizens. And yet now you have staring us right in the face a truly grave national security threat and their response is to keep the doors wide open and take no steps to mitigate the spread of infection. They know exactly what they are doing by their inaction. Either that or they are so incredibly stupid someone has to stand behind them to remind them to breathe.
 

Panner

Veteran Member
It looks to me that this is an act of treason against the American people. I know it won't do any good, but everyone should send emails and call members of Congress and tell them to put travel restriction in place right now!
 

MtnGal

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Just wait until the over 14,000 American Muslims return from the Hajj. Over 3,000,000 people from all over the world including West Africa gathering in a small place. I'd be extremely surprised if people do not being the ebola back to America, London, etc.
 

hunybee

Veteran Member
could the airlines themselves impose their own restrictions upon anyone from those countries and refuse them travel on their own airlines?

they of course can check where their visa is from, right?

so even if the pres does not invoke the "no" from those countries, the airlines could?
 

MtnGal

Has No Life - Lives on TB
could the airlines themselves impose their own restrictions upon anyone from those countries and refuse them travel on their own airlines?

they of course can check where their visa is from, right?

so even if the pres does not invoke the "no" from those countries, the airlines could?

My understanding is United just opened up new flights to West Africa since this Ebola started. Nothing but greed.
 

Hacker

Computer Hacking Pirate
I just canceled out of a trip because of this. To me, the airlines are not addressing a core issue - sanitation on aircraft between flights.
 

Rabbit

Has No Life - Lives on TB
"The 700 airborne troops are being sent to "help" with the crisis in Liberia, yet these soldiers - on the whole - have no special medical skills."

I think you are right on Doc, and bet if you asked any of those 700 troops they would tell you they did not join up to baby sit an ignorant bunch of people with Ebola. Let Obama go over there and spend his own blood.
 

Dphintias

Veteran Member
Well if the doomsayers are anywhere close to correct, this is certainly a condition that would impact elections. Just a few more cases, and then we will really see an uproar.
 

mzkitty

I give up.
What happens when you don't stop flights from infectious hell-holes:

8m
More: WHO says Saudi MERS patient flew from Doha to Vienna on Sept. 22; she is assumed to have been infectious during the flight - @Reuters
End of alert

13m
World Health Organization says Saudi national with Austria's first case of MERS virus may have infected 2 close contacts - @Reuters
End of alert
 

FireDance

TB Fanatic
I just canceled out of a trip because of this. To me, the airlines are not addressing a core issue - sanitation on aircraft between flights.

To sanitize for Ebola would pretty much shut them down. I agree though "regular" sanitizing is very poor at best. I'm sure they could market sanitizer ion and really boost business in the winter months even if it were only for flu and other respiratory illnesses.
 

BREWER

Veteran Member
I just canceled out of a trip because of this. To me, the airlines are not addressing a core issue - sanitation on aircraft between flights.

Greetings, Hacker: I, for one, am glad you canceled. Stay home, stay safe. As Oreally said sometime ago, "Make everyday count". Take care. BREWER
 

knepper

Veteran Member
It's not fair that only Africa has the Ebola virus. This is merely a redistribution of epidemic.
 

Hacker

Computer Hacking Pirate
Greetings, Hacker: I, for one, am glad you canceled. Stay home, stay safe. As Oreally said sometime ago, "Make everyday count". Take care. BREWER

Thanks, Brewer. As sad as I feel after canceling out, I will indeed make it a good day. You take care as well . . .
 

Warthog

Black Out
We've been setup folks. Rush just broke this article on his radio program!!! Obama did this in 2010
warty


Obama Administration Scraps Quarantine Regulations
6:55 AM, Apr 2, 2010 | 0 comments

The Obama administration has quietly scrapped plans to enact sweeping new federal quarantine regulations that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention touted four years ago as critical to protecting Americans from dangerous diseases spread by travelers.

The regulations, proposed in 2005 during the Bush administration amid fears of avian flu, would have given the federal government additional powers to detain sick airline passengers and those exposed to certain diseases. They also would have expanded requirements for airlines to report ill passengers to the CDC and mandated that airlines collect and maintain contact information for fliers in case they later needed to be traced as part of an investigation into an outbreak.

Airline and civil liberties groups, which had opposed the rules, praised their withdrawal.

The Air Transport Association had decried them as imposing "unprecedented" regulations on airlines at costs they couldn't afford. "We think that the CDC was right to withdraw the proposed rule," association spokeswoman Elizabeth Merida said Thursday.

The American Civil Liberties Union had objected to potential passenger privacy rights violations and the proposal's "provisional quarantine" rule. That rule would have allowed the CDC to detain people involuntarily for three business days if the agency believed they had certain diseases: pandemic flu, infectious tuberculosis, plague, cholera, SARS, smallpox, yellow fever, diphtheria or viral hemorrhagic fevers such as Ebola.

"The fact that they're backing away from this very coercive style of quarantine is good news," said ACLU legislative counsel Christopher Calabrese, who was unaware the proposed rules had been withdrawn.

CDC officials had stressed the rules would only be used in rare circumstances when someone posed a threat and refused to cooperate. The new rules, they noted at the time, added legal protections and appeals for those subject to quarantines.

CDC spokeswoman Christine Pearson said in a statement Thursday that the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, the CDC's parent agency, withdrew the proposed regulations after discussion across the government made it clear that "further revision and reconsideration is necessary to update the regulations."

HHS and the CDC are crafting new regulations that will incorporate public health lessons learned since 2005, Pearson said in the statement. She did not elaborate and referred questions to HHS. HHS spokeswoman Vicki Rivas-Vazquez said late Thursday the department had no further comment.

Last June, after the H1N1, or swine flu, pandemic emerged, the White House Office of Management and Budget received the final rules for review, records show. HHS withdrew the proposed regulations Jan. 20 – after more than four years of refining them and reviewing public comments.

Jennifer Nuzzo, at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center's Center for Biosecurity, said the rapid worldwide spread of swine flu showed flaws in the proposed regulations' premise.

"They probably learned during H1N1 that this hope of preventing diseases from entering the country by stationing people at airports is unrealistic," she said.

In 2007, after an Atlanta man with drug-resistant tuberculosis drew international attention to the potential risks posed by infected air travelers, CDC Director Julie Gerberding testified before Congress that the proposed regulations would improve the agency's ability to identify exposed passengers quickly. Gerberding, now president of Merck Vaccines, was unavailable for comment Thursday.

Even in the Bush administration, some were skeptical of the CDC's 2005 proposal, said Stewart Baker, assistant secretary for policy at the Department of Homeland Security from 2005 to 2009. "There were a lot of questions about how plausible it was to treat airports as a place where you could stop and inspect and quarantine people," Baker said Thursday.

By Alison Young, USA TODAY

http://archive.13wmaz.com/news/article/77094/175/Obama-Administration-Scraps-Quarantine-Regulations
 

Bob1313

Membership Revoked
We've been setup folks. Rush just broke this article on his radio program!!! Obama did this in 2010
warty


Obama Administration Scraps Quarantine Regulations
6:55 AM, Apr 2, 2010 | 0 comments

The Obama administration has quietly scrapped plans to enact sweeping new federal quarantine regulations that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention touted four years ago as critical to protecting Americans from dangerous diseases spread by travelers.

http://archive.13wmaz.com/news/article/77094/175/Obama-Administration-Scraps-Quarantine-Regulations

This is a BIG ASS DEAL, sadly nothing will come of it
 

Shacknasty Shagrat

Has No Life - Lives on TB
I expect Mr. Obama to change his mind again.
He put a red line around travel restrictions, and he will remove it when his drugs wear off.
SS
 

Publius

TB Fanatic
So its up to the people at the airports to turn away people from infected countries so they cannot make it into the United States like this last one did thats now in Texas. I was pointing out on another thread they are not telling that this person had to change flights a number of times over seas to get here as there are no direct flights to Texas and had to stop over and change flights at either Laguarida or Kennedy airports in New York and direct to Texas from there.
 

vessie

Has No Life - Lives on TB
Of course they won't.

It all comes down to commerce.

Gotta keep that train moving. V
 

Publius

TB Fanatic
Of course they won't.

It all comes down to commerce.

Gotta keep that train moving. V


But flying people here and there are not commerce as in livestock or other goods and of now we inspect that to a higher degree to avoid bringing diseased animals and foods into the country.
They are doing what they plained on doing to us and thats destroy the country and its people. This Ebola has so far has all the indicators of being manmade and they're introducing lab mutated variants that should in nature take a whole year more to evolve and not weeks or a months time.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Of course, the problem is, shutting down African originating flights would have no effect on the gent in Dallas, since he came in from Belgium....

So the simplistic, knee-jerk answer is to shut down ALL flights internationally.

Good luck with THAT.

You have ANY idea how much FOOD flies in from So America?
Or how much of EVERYTHING flies in to Hawaii from Asia?

I'm not opposed to a strict Quarantine, since it is the ONLY PROVEN way to stop a pandemic, I'm just asking for INFORMED DISCUSSION so we understand the virtually unbelievable COSTS of doing it RIGHT.


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And in ref Quarantine, that family now quarantined in Dallas? Hope someone is dropping food on their doorstep, since they ain't getting out to go shopping or eat. Or work. Or school, Or Church.


You'll know we're serious when we shut down public gatherings (sports) and places of gathering, like churches and schools. And the gov CAN shut down even YOUR church.


Actually, your County Public Health Officer (usually a nurse) can. And you get NO recourse when he/she does this.
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
Youall want to go full on "GOTTA DO SOMETHING!!!!" well, this is what it will mean to YOU.

Your stores may well close.
Your fav eating places, may well close.
Your fav clubs? ABSOLUTELY...closed
Sports games?? No spectators allowed.
Schools? Closed for the duration.
Churches? Closed for the duration.

Visiting mom in the Nursing Home? Not for the duration.
Gramma's on Christmas? Nope.

"But...I got stuck here because I was travelling for my job and now my wife is dying. I HAVE to go home to her!"
"Call her on the phone. You ain't travelling."


Just understand what you are asking for.
And do NOT, by God complain when you GET it.


And YES it will be the ONLY WAY to stop this when it gets rolling.....
 

night driver

ESFP adrift in INTJ sea
So its up to the people at the airports to turn away people from infected countries so they cannot make it into the United States like this last one did thats now in Texas. I was pointing out on another thread they are not telling that this person had to change flights a number of times over seas to get here as there are no direct flights to Texas and had to stop over and change flights at either Laguarida or Kennedy airports in New York and direct to Texas from there.

His change was in Washington.
 
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