ALERT Ebola Suspected In Europe: “Broken Through All Containment Efforts”-UPDATE, post #84!!!

[Secamp32]

Using a cruise ship as a confined test platform is dirty pool but a damn great idea!

If testing goes wrong and gets out of control handlers can burn the ship in a uncontrollable fire to kill the infected then sink it with a massive explosion in very deep water well before the captain and his crew can escape on rescue boats then blame the explosion on a massive boiler failure due to substandard construction materials by the builder in South Korea...

SIRR1

Or you could let it loose on an airplane then make that plane disappear

 

[Ragnarok]

uh.......what?

i think it means that a "plague" has already infected the host...

What I was trying to get across is that the increase in these types of diseases will parallel the increase of "immigrants" from third world countries. It will only get worse as Eurabia continues expanding.

 

[Ragnarok]

The side effects of immigration - deadly maladies may spread all across Europe

http://blazingcatfur.blogspot.com/2014/04/the-side-effects-of-immigration-deadly.html

 

[Oreally]

Heads up:

the canadian guy who was in Conakry at the start of the ebola situation there, who travelled home by plane, and 21 days later came down with something that tested negative for ebola congo, but had all the symptom of it, has died.

hopefully he didn't infect anyone else on the plane or in the hospital

http://sp.saskobits.com/

Rodney OGILVIE
Published: 2014-04-25
Saskatoon, SK

The passing of Rodney Ogilvie, of Saskatoon and formerly of Ardath, Sask., occurred on Wednesday, April 23, 2014 at the Royal University Hospital in Saskatoon, at the age of 61 years. Rod is lovingly remembered by his wife, Nellie; his parents, Gordon and Valerie; sister, Sharon (Joe) Kleckner; two brothers, Daryl (Brenda) and Lindsay (Hallie); and numerous nieces, nephews and extended family. Funeral Services are pending and full details will follow at a later date. Arrangements are in care of the Outlook Funeral Chapel 306-867-8255.

 

[jed turtle]

whoa. the party might just be un-officially over.

 

[Momof5]

Well
That gave me chills!!!

 

[Flippper]

For some time now I've been wondering why police in the US have been doing 'zombie' training, and thought they knew something we didn't. Ebola seems to fit the bill.

I've thought all along that the guy in Canada was infected and they were hiding it; to prevent "panic" in the citizens of course, for your own good. He may have been an unwitting test subject and all who were in any form of contact with him are likely being watched closely. The Bible speaks of plague being one of the heavy killers during the Tribulation, and I can't think of a more horrid form than Ebola to compliment the worst time mankind and earth ever witnesses.

As with most things, we'll see soon...

 

[hunybee]

Heads up:

the canadian guy who was in Conakry at the start of the ebola situation there, who travelled home by plane, and 21 days later came down with something that tested negative for ebola congo, but had all the symptom of it, has died.

hopefully he didn't infect anyone else on the plane or in the hospital

http://sp.saskobits.com/

Rodney OGILVIE
Published: 2014-04-25
Saskatoon, SK

The passing of Rodney Ogilvie, of Saskatoon and formerly of Ardath, Sask., occurred on Wednesday, April 23, 2014 at the Royal University Hospital in Saskatoon, at the age of 61 years. Rod is lovingly remembered by his wife, Nellie; his parents, Gordon and Valerie; sister, Sharon (Joe) Kleckner; two brothers, Daryl (Brenda) and Lindsay (Hallie); and numerous nieces, nephews and extended family. Funeral Services are pending and full details will follow at a later date. Arrangements are in care of the Outlook Funeral Chapel 306-867-8255.

is this actually the guy?

i had not found any name that was released of the man infected.

also, would they allow a public funeral (or allow a funeral home to handle the body) for a man infected with a hemorragic disease?

 

[Dennis Olson]

Perhaps closed casket with the body in a sealed body bag inside the casket.

 

[hunybee]

is that the guy though?

 

[Housecarl]

Perhaps closed casket with the body in a sealed body bag inside the casket.

More likely ash in a plastic bag.

 

[2Trish]

It was definitely Rodney Ogilvie. Per the attached article, "Not all hemorrhagic illnesses have been ruled out - just the 4 most serious ones".

Possibly one has mutated.

http://www.thestarphoenix.com/health/Critically+geologist+just+unlucky+this+time/9656724/story.html

 

[naturallysweet]

From what little there is out there, it seems that the ordinary tests for ebola are coming up negative in people who are dying of ebola like symptoms. Couple that with the unusual spread of this disease, tells me that we might have mutation that could possibly even be airborne.

I'm really not a big fan of Ebola. Let's hope this peters out fast and vanishes like it usually does.

 

[MountainBiker]

A 21 day incubation period is extremely dangerous given the number of contacts you have in the course of 3 weeks.

 

[Heretic]

A 21 day incubation period is extremely dangerous given the number of contacts you have in the course of 3 weeks.

But unlike most viral diseases, you don't become contagious until you have symptoms. Somehow I suspect that someone with blood running out of their eyes will be noticed....

Folks, I really understand Ebola is spooky and frightening, but it has not gone airborne yet.
Most of us have no idea just how lacking African health care is. They resuse disposable needles because they can't afford one shot use, they frequently have no exam gloves, no masks (IE barriers).

Until we have ~200 people dieing in a western country why not worry about that 17 year old who is texting....you are much more likely to meet her then catch Ebola. Of course here I go again telling people to not worry....Damn I must be a Pollyanna...Which my friends would find funny beyond belief, I am considered to be somewhat alarmist and perhaps a borderline paranoid.

Relative risk. Use it as a personal mantra to help control the fear of bad things.

Like, has anyone esle visited Meteor Crater in Arizona?
You know, that BIG HOLE in the ground.
How would you like a rock that size hitting your home?
Very few of us (like 0) would survive.
But how often do such rocks hit the earth?
Is it something to really obsess over?

There are lot's of nasty diseases in Africa.
Lassa fever, Marlberg, etc.
But even if you go to Africa you are much more likely to contract and die from Malaria then any exotic disease.

I have former classmates from college who were in Zaire (congo) during one Ebola outbreak and they were much more concerned about common street thugs and other water born diseases then Ebola.

I sometimes wonder if people are playing "scare me", sort of like ghost stories around a camp fire.

Do we as a people want to be scared?

Get back to me when 100 or even 20 people have died in Europe, then we can start worrying together.

Terry

 

[Doomer Doug]

I guess the phrase "filthy, disease ridden illegal immigrant" is going to come back into vogue, Dennis!

The airplane and mass global travel has pretty much made the chance of a global pandemic 100 percent.

 

[Breeta]

is this actually the guy?

i had not found any name that was released of the man infected.

also, would they allow a public funeral (or allow a funeral home to handle the body) for a man infected with a hemorragic disease?

yes, this is the same man. 2Trish posted an article above but here is another...

http://www.vancouversun.com/health/...led+case+sick+Saskatchewan/9658627/story.html

snip
George Sharpe, chief geologist at Global Geological Services Ltd. in Saskatoon, identified the sick man as his business partner, Rod Ogilvie.
"He got this assignment in Africa... He wanted his own project and it was just him that was required," Sharpe told Saskatoon radio station CKOM.
"It was pretty routine. He just went over to supervise an iron ore project. He has done it many times before, he has been in Africa before, so it is nothing new to him."
Sharpe said Ogilvie went to the west African country of Liberia in February and came back in the middle of March.
"He was aware, as we all are, that anybody can catch these kinds of illnesses. There is no perfect way to prevent them... He was always advising me 'when you go to the tropics, Ghana or whatever, absolutely you have to take your malaria pills religiously, take your insect repellent, watch what you eat and he was always very careful about that,'" Shape said.
"What he got was just something by pure chance more than likely. Certainly he wasn't the type of person who would ever take a chance on catching anything like that."
There is fear an outbreak of the Ebola virus has spread to Liberia, where the man was travelling.
Dr. Denise Werker, the province's deputy chief medical health officer, said Tuesday that Ogilvie remains in critical condition and his organs are failing.
Sharpe said his partner has had Dengue fever before.
"Dangue hemorrhagic fever occurs when you get a second infection of Dangue virus caused by an autoimmune phenomena," Werker said.
Ogilvie is isolated in a special hospital room where air only moves in and not out. Until they know what illness he is suffering from doctors working directly with the patient are taking extra precaution.
"That means they'd be wearing goggles and masks, gowns and boots," said Werker.

 

[ittybit]

Yes, T, but in this case the early symptoms appear to be akin to flu or a cold. How many people do you know who go about their business when they have those symptoms? I work in a health care organization and see people everywhere (both inside and outside the organization) who have symptoms and come to work, go the school or go out shopping. This is one of the things that gives me pause about this variant ... 1) looooong incubation period, 2) early symptoms mimic infections which people generally don't take seriously, 3) tests used by healthcare not reliable, 4) governments who are far more concerned about keeping their economies running than about public health, 5) persistent practice by "leadership" to obfuscate information/data about outbreaks they do not want people making their own choices about.

Now, if there is a better scenario in which something like a plague with these features could adversely effect a society or a planet ... I'd like to see it (but only in a fiction novel).

Remember the math: if the average infected person passes this on to two or three other people, and that goes forward in the same fashion, you end up with a pandemic.

 

[Lone Eagle Woman]

Been reading over the thread and all I can say is Wow! If it really gets going in Europe then it will be in the U.S. and the rest of the world in no time. And this incubation period of 21 days is shoocking. thanks for the above Ittybity. This is just what the bible says will happen in the last days. If this starts going, they will not be able to keep this news quiet because of the Internet in my opinion. Think about it on how much the whole world is such an international society anymore and how much travel there is between countries and continents all the time now. No way could it become contained. And if it evers becomes airborne - watch out world!

Am glad that it is now just a matter of a few weeks till it is time to escape back into the mountain wilderness all by my lonesome for the summer.

 

[Countrymouse]

For some time now I've been wondering why police in the US have been doing 'zombie' training, and thought they knew something we didn't. Ebola seems to fit the bill.

Can you explain this for me? When I think "ebola" I think massive uncontrolled bleeding from every body orifice; when I think "zombies" I think "mindless people strung out as if on drugs (bath salts) eating each others' faces..."

 

[kittyknits]

In the mid-90's, I read several novels with this type of scenario. I remember thinking , "Thank God that's just a book."

Imagine someone walking around or at work thinking their cold seems to be getting worse, and then the other symptoms start.

 

[Publius]

Heads up:

the canadian guy who was in Conakry at the start of the ebola situation there, who travelled home by plane, and 21 days later came down with something that tested negative for ebola congo, but had all the symptom of it, has died.

hopefully he didn't infect anyone else on the plane or in the hospital

http://sp.saskobits.com/

Rodney OGILVIE
Published: 2014-04-25
Saskatoon, SK

The passing of Rodney Ogilvie, of Saskatoon and formerly of Ardath, Sask., occurred on Wednesday, April 23, 2014 at the Royal University Hospital in Saskatoon, at the age of 61 years. Rod is lovingly remembered by his wife, Nellie; his parents, Gordon and Valerie; sister, Sharon (Joe) Kleckner; two brothers, Daryl (Brenda) and Lindsay (Hallie); and numerous nieces, nephews and extended family. Funeral Services are pending and full details will follow at a later date. Arrangements are in care of the Outlook Funeral Chapel 306-867-8255.

So how long will it be before we start seeing isolation measures put in place where people are not allowed to travel in or out to some countries?

 

[ittybit]

Pub, the problem is that even if such measures where to be put into place it would probably be 60-90 days too late.

 

[jed turtle]

So how long will it be before we start seeing isolation measures put in place where people are not allowed to travel in or out to some countries?

if - God forbid! - this is the "real deal", then probably in the next 2 weeks...

one of the real conundrums about what one should use as the "sign" or "trigger" to decide when to bugout, is whether it will be decided too late ie: after or during when martial law is declared and a general quarantine shuts down all but emergency road traffic. if one has to bugout, you'd better figure out what your trigger is now...

 

[ainitfunny]

GO BY HISTORY. What they did before is shut down movie theaters, schools, events & gatherings of large groups of people, and other ways that disease could spread. THAT will happen LONG LONG before any "martial law" is declared.

 

[Cascade Failure]

For some time now I've been wondering why police in the US have been doing 'zombie' training, and thought they knew something we didn't. Ebola seems to fit the bill.

Ebola has nothing to do with the zombie training scenarios.

Training is boring. Our local hospital (my employer) finished its participation in a 48 hr national stockpile drill today. Oh yay! Let's move pallets of medicines and do paperwork. Wanna guess at the enthusiasm level?

In contrast, run a zombie drill. What do you need to survive the zombie apocalypse? People get creative. They think outside of their comfort zone while problem solving. The paperwork is still there but you had some fun in the meantime and still tested your system. As your team becomes more skilled you can increase the difficulty...zombies in a hurricane, active shooter zombies, a plane load of zombies crashed into the ER, etc...

Keep employees engaged during training and they do better in real life.

 

[2Trish]

Wasn't there something a couple weeks ago about the man who they suspected of having ebola having gone through two U.S. terminals?

 

[Shacknasty Shagrat]

Yes, T, but in this case the early symptoms appear to be akin to flu or a cold. How many people do you know who go about their business when they have those symptoms? I work in a health care organization and see people everywhere (both inside and outside the organization) who have symptoms and come to work, go the school or go out shopping. This is one of the things that gives me pause about this variant ... 1) looooong incubation period, 2) early symptoms mimic infections which people generally don't take seriously, 3) tests used by healthcare not reliable, 4) governments who are far more concerned about keeping their economies running than about public health, 5) persistent practice by "leadership" to obfuscate information/data about outbreaks they do not want people making their own choices about.

Now, if there is a better scenario in which something like a plague with these features could adversely effect a society or a planet ... I'd like to see it (but only in a fiction novel).

Remember the math: if the average infected person passes this on to two or three other people, and that goes forward in the same fashion, you end up with a pandemic.

Good post, ittybit
Of course, if we see someone bleeding from the eyes, ears,...whatever, we will be concerned.
But someone with mild flu like symptoms?.. a cough or a sniffle? I doubt that people will pay much attention or take any precautions, which is ok if it is just a known flu.
This bug seems to have some characteristics that are very troubling.
No need to panic now, just stay alert and informed and see if there are facts and logic being presented in the coverage of this bug.
SS

 

[Bob1313]

So how long will it be before we start seeing isolation measures put in place where people are not allowed to travel in or out to some countries?

If this happens, you wanna bet all the immigrants from Africa, mostly skinnies, will be exempt under Obama and we'll still see thousands as month like we have for the last 5+ years, its all about race with the Chocolate Jesus, anything to get one over on whitey.

 

[hunybee]

Wasn't there something a couple weeks ago about the man who they suspected of having ebola having gone through two U.S. terminals?

yah, that is in minnesota. he flew into new york for a layover, and then on to mn.

they quickly said he didn't have it. they said he may have lassa fever and then nothing more reported

 

[ainitfunny]

SARS, which was almost as deadly as EBOLA had as many as OVER 60 people infected from ONE INFECTED PERSON!!
Here is the link to the COMMUNITY CONTAINMENT OF SARS RESPONSE:
http://www.cdc.gov/sars/guidance/D-quarantine/community.html

Limiting social contact IS part of the "plan" if new cases pop up with no know source of infection (community contracted-unknown) THEN they declare "snow days", shut down events, concerts, sporting events, anywhere people gather, limit use of Bus and mass transit, set up isolation and quarantine locations FOR THOSE WHO DO NOT HAVE A "HOME" IN which to quarantine themselves (dorm, barracks,dwellers, travelers etc.) Also LIMITING TRAVEL INTO AND OUT OF PANDEMIC HOT ZONE.

Jurisdictions with large numbers of cases without known epidemiologic linkages should consider instituting measures to increase social distance. Identification of an unlinked case can mean either that transmission is occurring from undetected cases or that contact tracing efforts are not identifying all potential contacts. Increasing social distance can reduce the likelihood that unexposed community members will be exposed to SARS-CoV and that persons who have already been exposed will unknowingly transmit to others if they become symptomatic. Interventions to increase social distance are usually applied to groups of persons in settings where there might have been exposure to SARS-CoV (e.g., a school in which several cases of SARS have been diagnosed). In a community with ongoing transmission, these measures may be applied to settings without known exposure (e.g., cancellation of concerts or sporting events; restricted use of public transportation).

The "snow day" approach may be an effective way to increase social distance and reduce transmission because it is a concept with which most Americans are familiar. This intervention would likely be instituted for an initial 10-day period, with final decisions on duration based on assessment of current epidemiologic information. Other community-level measures, such as community-wide temperature monitoring, temperature screening before entering public buildings, or recommended or mandatory mask use, may also be considered. Although the effectiveness of these interventions has not been quantified, they might enhance public awareness and facilitate early detection of cases.
In extreme circumstances, when control measures do not appear to be effective or resources are overwhelmed, more restrictive measures such as widespread or community-wide quarantine may be considered.

 

[Cascade Failure]

GO BY HISTORY. What they did before is shut down movie theaters, schools, events & gatherings of large groups of people, and other ways that disease could spread. THAT will happen LONG LONG before any "martial law" is declared.

We already do this with flu. Look at the visitor/employee restrictions at many hospitals during flu season.

 

[ainitfunny]

HERE is a VERY interesting link..."THE ENFORCEMENT OF COMMUNITY CONTAINMENT MEASURES" (YES, at GUNPOINT, if necessary)

http://www.cdc.gov/sars/guidance/D-quarantine/enforcement.html

 

[blueridge]

I guess the phrase "filthy, disease ridden illegal immigrant" is going to come back into vogue, Dennis!

The airplane and mass global travel has pretty much made the chance of a global pandemic 100 percent.

Yup - the next time you fly, ponder for a moment just *who* might have occupied that seat before you!...and what diseases they carried.

 

[2Trish]

I don't fully understand why but CDC is going back to do some retesting.

Published Date: 2014-04-25 21:33:25
Subject: PRO/AH/EDR> Ebola virus disease - West Africa (27): WHO update
Archive Number: 20140425.2430639

EBOLA VIRUS DISEASE - WEST AFRICA (27): WHO UPDATE
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A ProMED-mail post
http://www.promedmail.org
ProMED-mail is a program of the
International Society for Infectious Diseases
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Date: Fri 25 Apr 2014
Source: WHO Regional Office for Africa (WHO/AFRO) [edited]
http://www.afro.who.int/en/clusters...-virus-disease-west-africa-25-april-2014.html


Ebola virus disease, West Africa (Situation as of 25 Apr 2014)
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Guinea
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As of 18:00 on 23 Apr [2014], the Ministry of Health (MOH) of Guinea has reported a cumulative total of 218 clinical cases of Ebola virus disease (EVD), including 141 deaths. To date, 191 patients have been tested for ebolavirus infection and 115 cases have been laboratory confirmed, including 72 deaths. In addition, 42 cases (34 deaths) meet the probable case definition for EVD and 61 cases (35 deaths) are classified as suspected cases. A total of 26 health care workers (HCW) have been affected (18 confirmed), with 16 deaths (12 confirmed).

Clinical cases of EVD have been reported from Conakry (58 cases, including 24 deaths), Guekedou (127/91), Macenta (22/16), Kissidougou (6/5), Dabola (4/4) and Djingaraye (1/1). Laboratory confirmed cases and deaths have been reported from Conakry (37 cases, including 19 deaths), Guekedou (63/41), Macenta (13/10), Kissidougou (1/1) and Dabola (1/1). The date of onset of the most recent clinical case, a suspected case, is 23 Apr [2014] while the date of isolation of the most recent confirmed case is 22 April. Two new deaths have also been reported among existing cases; one of the deaths was a patient with confirmed EVD. A total of 13 patients are in isolation in Conakry (6 patients, 5 confirmed), Guekedou (7 patients, all confirmed). Contact tracing activities continue in all affected areas.

Overall, the epidemiological situation in Guinea has improved significantly over the last few weeks. The date of onset of the last reported case from Macenta was 24 days ago [1 Apr 2014] and a similar time has elapsed for Dabola (25 days), Kissigougou (26) and Djingaraye (31 days). Two incubation periods (42 days) without cases is the standard for declaring an EVD outbreak over in a particular location.

The focus of response activities at present includes clinical case management and ongoing training in hospital-based infection prevention and control (IPC). A documentary will be made on the Medecins Sans Frontieres (MSF) isolation facility in Guekedou. WHO, in collaboration with the Global Outbreak Alert and Response Network (GOARN), has mobilized a new medical team comprising of IPC and intensive care physicians in support of the clinicians at the Donka Hospital in Conakry.

The numbers of cases and contacts remain subject to change due to consolidation of case, contact and laboratory data, enhanced surveillance activities and contact tracing activities. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), Atlanta, United States, has arrived in Guinea to further strengthen diagnostic capacity for EVD by retesting patients who were polymerase chain reaction (PCR) negative by ebolavirus serology.

The cross-border meeting on EVD response between the governments of Guinea and Liberia was successfully hosted by the Guinean government, attended by 25 participants from delegations from both countries. The overall objective of the meeting was to strengthen epidemiological surveillance and the follow up of contacts along the borders of the two countries in order to stop transmission of EVD.

Key actions for implementation include: development of an action plan on the cross-border response to EVD; strengthening coordination of cross-border activities with engagement of local authorities; sharing information on the cross-border movement of suspected cases of EVD; reinforcing community awareness of EVD and ways to reduce personal and community risk of disease; and reinforcing active surveillance and contact tracing along the border as needed.

As the incubation period for EVD can be up to 3 weeks, it is likely that the Guinean health authorities will report new cases in the coming weeks and additional suspected cases may also be identified in neighbouring countries.

Liberia
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From 13 Mar [2014], the date of onset of the 1st laboratory confirmed case in Liberia, to 24 Apr [2014], the Ministry of Health and Social Welfare (MOHSW) of Liberia has reported a total of 35 clinically compatible cases of EVD; 6 confirmed cases, 2 probable cases and 27 suspected cases. The date of onset of the most recent confirmed case was 6 Apr [2014]. The MOHSW has started to reclassify suspected cases against their laboratory test results. Most of the suspected cases are expected to be discarded at the end of this process.

WHO, in collaboration with GOARN, is planning to replace experts who recently completed their missions in Liberia in the areas of case management, IPC and epidemiology.

Sierra Leone
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The Ministry of Health and Sanitation of Sierra Leone is currently investigating 3 patients with an illness compatible with a viral haemorrhagic fever (VHF) for EVD and Lassa fever (the latter is endemic in Sierra Leone). All rumours of EVD cases are being investigated and active case finding is also ongoing.

The laboratory at the Lassa fever isolation facility at the Kenema Government Hospital is now analysing all suspected cases of VHF for both Lassa fever and EVD. As of 24 Apr 2014, 98 samples collected have been tested; 10 samples tested positive for Lassa fever and the remaining 88 tested negative for both diseases. A total of 15 contacts have completed 21 days of follow up while 20 contacts remain under medical observation.

WHO does not recommend that any travel or trade restrictions be applied to Guinea, Liberia or Sierra Leone based on the current information available for this event.

--
Communicated by:
ProMED-mail Rapporteur Marianne Hopp

[Suspected cases continue to appear in Guinea and Liberia. - Mod.JW

http://www.promedmail.org/

 

[gizbe]

OMG, I feel so bad for the Ogilvie family as I hadn't heard the man's name before that was sick, although I saw his obituary in the paper this morning and wondered how he had died. I grew up within 10 miles of where they lived and went to school with his brother. I didn't know Rod but my brothers certainly did. So strange and shocking to see this tonight as I hadn't heard the news today and I live just a couple blocks from the funeral chapel. I sure hope they manage to keep this from spreading further.

 

[HangingDog]

I think their track record is iffy....sometimes woo-hoo

However, if this story is true, the sh-t is about to hit the fan.

Unfortunately, TRN-like sources are all you are going to have if this story has any merit.

Official sources will turn this story off quickly and down-play any reports that do make it to the public.

Watch officials. If they take their kids out of school then it is a big deal and imminent.

Only gov officials got their kids out of the Chernobyl area early.

 

[HangingDog]

Does it seem reasonable that a person is only contagious when symptoms actually appear and NOT the prior day (or two or 10)?

 

[Ragnarok]

Does it seem reasonable that a person is only contagious when symptoms actually appear and NOT the prior day (or two or 10)?

I don't know about this particular virus but if it is similar to ebola, then even if a person exhibits no signs or symptoms of Ebola, he or she can still spread the virus during the Ebola incubation period.

http://ebola.emedtv.com/ebola/ebola-incubation-period.html

 

[Oreally]

I've been thinking about this case all day:

1. the first official cases of ebola in Conakry were traced to one individual who came from a provincial center about 250 miles away and who travelled there along with his three (two?) brothers somehow, probably by bus or truck . They all subsequntly died.

2. mr. ogilvie was some sort of mining or minerals specialist who seems to have spent most of his time workinjg on a project in a mining area in another region.

3. there could have been no direct contact between the brothers and oglivie. he also left the country about the same time the brothers went to to capital.

4. certainly mr. ogilvie had no contacts with any other obviously infected or deceased individual, such as washing or touching bodies or sick people, etc

5. this has to lead to the conclusion that there is a very strong possibility that he may have contracted the variant of ebola through airborne transmission. not a certainity, but fairly likely.

at this point i would really like to know if the canadian authorities are following the other airline passengers on his flights from guinea as well as his wife, family, etc.