ALERT Drudge: DOC WARNS OF AIRBORNE EBOLA

msswv123

Veteran Member
What We’re Afraid to Say About Ebola


MINNEAPOLIS — THE Ebola epidemic in West Africa has the potential to alter history as much as any plague has ever done.

There have been more than 4,300 cases and 2,300 deaths over the past six months. Last week, the World Health Organization warned that, by early October, there may be thousands of new cases per week in Liberia, Sierra Leone, Guinea and Nigeria. What is not getting said publicly, despite briefings and discussions in the inner circles of the world’s public health agencies, is that we are in totally uncharted waters and that Mother Nature is the only force in charge of the crisis at this time.

There are two possible future chapters to this story that should keep us up at night.

The first possibility is that the Ebola virus spreads from West Africa to megacities in other regions of the developing world. This outbreak is very different from the 19 that have occurred in Africa over the past 40 years. It is much easier to control Ebola infections in isolated villages. But there has been a 300 percent increase in Africa’s population over the last four decades, much of it in large city slums. What happens when an infected person yet to become ill travels by plane to Lagos, Nairobi, Kinshasa or Mogadishu — or even Karachi, Jakarta, Mexico City or Dhaka?

The second possibility is one that virologists are loath to discuss openly but are definitely considering in private: that an Ebola virus could mutate to become transmissible through the air. You can now get Ebola only through direct contact with bodily fluids. But viruses like Ebola are notoriously sloppy in replicating, meaning the virus entering one person may be genetically different from the virus entering the next. The current Ebola virus’s hyper-evolution is unprecedented; there has been more human-to-human transmission in the past four months than most likely occurred in the last 500 to 1,000 years. Each new infection represents trillions of throws of the genetic dice.

If certain mutations occurred, it would mean that just breathing would put one at risk of contracting Ebola. Infections could spread quickly to every part of the globe, as the H1N1 influenza virus did in 2009, after its birth in Mexico.

Why are public officials afraid to discuss this? They don’t want to be accused of screaming “Fire!” in a crowded theater — as I’m sure some will accuse me of doing. But the risk is real, and until we consider it, the world will not be prepared to do what is necessary to end the epidemic.

In 2012, a team of Canadian researchers proved that Ebola Zaire, the same virus that is causing the West Africa outbreak, could be transmitted by the respiratory route from pigs to monkeys, both of whose lungs are very similar to those of humans. Richard Preston’s 1994 best seller “The Hot Zone” chronicled a 1989 outbreak of a different strain, Ebola Reston virus, among monkeys at a quarantine station near Washington. The virus was transmitted through breathing, and the outbreak ended only when all the monkeys were euthanized. We must consider that such transmissions could happen between humans, if the virus mutates.


So what must we do that we are not doing?


A Security Council resolution could give the United Nations total responsibility for controlling the outbreak, while respecting West African nations’ sovereignty as much as possible. The United Nations could, for instance, secure aircraft and landing rights. Many private airlines are refusing to fly into the affected countries, making it very difficult to deploy critical supplies and personnel. The Group of 7 countries’ military air and ground support must be brought in to ensure supply chains for medical and infection-control products, as well as food and water for quarantined areas.


The United Nations should provide whatever number of beds are needed; the World Health Organization has recommended 1,500, but we may need thousands more. It should also coordinate the recruitment and training around the world of medical and nursing staff, in particular by bringing in local residents who have survived Ebola, and are no longer at risk of infection. Many countries are pledging medical resources, but donations will not result in an effective treatment system if no single group is responsible for coordinating them.

Finally, we have to remember that Ebola isn’t West Africa’s only problem. Tens of thousands die there each year from diseases like AIDS, malaria and tuberculosis. Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea have among the highest maternal mortality rates in the world. Because people are now too afraid of contracting Ebola to go to the hospital, very few are getting basic medical care. In addition, many health care workers have been infected with Ebola, and more than 120 have died. Liberia has only 250 doctors left, for a population of four million.

This is about humanitarianism and self-interest. If we wait for vaccines and new drugs to arrive to end the Ebola epidemic, instead of taking major action now, we risk the disease’s reaching from West Africa to our own backyards.

Michael T. Osterholm is the director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/12/o...dit_tnt_20140911&nlid=745484&tntemail0=y&_r=2
 
Last edited:

Kris Gandillon

The Other Curmudgeon
_______________
What We’re Afraid to Say About Ebola

It should also coordinate the recruitment and training around the world of medical and nursing staff, in particular by bringing in local residents who have survived Ebola, and are no longer at risk of infection.

BS!

Just like catching the Flu doesn't protect you from getting a different version of the Flu, the "trillions of rolls of the genetic dice" the Ebola virus is going through during this outbreak as he also mentions above, would produce similar variations in the Ebola virus which would be just different enough to provide opportunity to get re-infected with a slightly different version. This possibility has been discussed in several previous articles on some of the other Ebola threads.
 

PCViking

Lutefisk Survivor
http://www.timebomb2000.com/vb/show...WEEK-OF-8-16-14-8-31-14&p=5336307#post5336307

http://www.thehealthsite.com/news/eb...ay-scientists/

Ebola virus is mutating rapidly — say scientists​
Bhavyajyoti Chilukoti August 31, 2014 at 5:48 pm

A recent research related to the Ebola virus disease (EVD) states that the Ebola virus is rapidly mutating, making it difficult to diagnose and treat. A study conducted on the initial patients being infected with the virus in Sierra Leone revealed more than 400 genetic modifications of the Ebola virus, which might prove detrimental for the ongoing treatment measures but also to the vaccines that are under clinical trials for future treatment of the Ebola virus. (Read: Traditional healer responsible for bringing Ebola to Sierra Leone — scientists http://www.thehealthsite.com/news/eb...ay-scientists/)

The Researchers at the Broad Institute in Massachusetts and Harvard University warn that the Ebola virus is constantly undergoing mutation. The findings show that the future treatment options including vaccines as well as diagnosing of the disease will be very difficult and less effective as mutations will continue. As of now, the researchers have analysed around 99 Ebola viral genomes. Since the Ebola outbreak in West Africa in March, more than 1550 people have died of the Ebola virus disease. Earlier in August (24th), a new viral strain of the Ebola virus different from the one being observed in West Africa was detected in those from Democratic Republic of Congo, posing threat to million of lives all over the world. (Read: Latest Ebola News: Liberian Government lifts Ebola quarantine, people celebrate http://www.thehealthsite.com/news/eb...ay-scientists/)

The World Health Organization has supported the use of experimental drugs (drugs which are not approved by FDA due to lack of data on human clinical trials) like ZMapp and other vaccines for treatment of Ebola infected patients. The U.N. health agency on Thursday said, ‘The Ebola outbreak will affect more than 20,000 people in West Africa and might spread to more countries, indicating a clinical emergency all over the world. It requires worldwide effort costing more than half a billion dollars to overcome the deadly Ebola outbreak.’ The WHO has announced a $490 million plan to contain the rapid spread of the Ebola virus over the next nine months due to the possibility of Ebola endemic to spread to 10 more countries, other than the four major Ebola-hit countries of West Africa namely Sierra Leone, Liberia,Guinea and Nigeria. (Read: Ebola infected monkeys said to be recovering with ZMapp http://www.thehealthsite.com/news/eb...ay-scientists/)
 

Bob1313

Membership Revoked
still totally shocked there are no travel restrictions being put into place, guess its racist to keep black people from spreading a fatal disease, mind boggling
 

Chance

Veteran Member
More Ebola coming to the U.S.?
Hello TB2K,

Moved this from the Bomb Shelter this AM, 9/12 - looks like plenty of other news along the same lines out there.

Got a voice mail from my sister Thursday, 9/11. She works for a large hospital in New Mexico - she works in Quality for Home Health Care. (She is responsible for making sure federal rules are being followed, nurses follow the SOPs for patient care, etc.)

She received an email on 9/11 from the emergency department with New Mexico asking if her hospital can take Ebola patients...can they handle Ebola patients, do they have isolation rooms, do they have protocols in place.

She said the email stated all states are being asked the same questions and the answers are to go back to Washington.

I haven't spoken with my sister about this yet - maybe this should go on the main board to see if others are seeing this email...I'll call her Friday 9/12 to see if she's heard anything else. She was wondering why Home Health Care was sent the email.

Edited to add that I spoke with my sister this AM, 9/12 - she said that the email went to her department head in Quality - then passed it on to her, my sister, to respond to - they only deal with outpatients - so no to all the questions..

Just wondering if they'll need facilities to try and coordinate quarantines at people's homes - Home Health Care places are already set up to go to patient's homes - hospitals are not. Just a thought.

Stay safe.

Cheers,
Chance
 

msswv123

Veteran Member
BS!

Just like catching the Flu doesn't protect you from getting a different version of the Flu, the "trillions of rolls of the genetic dice" the Ebola virus is going through during this outbreak as he also mentions above, would produce similar variations in the Ebola virus which would be just different enough to provide opportunity to get re-infected with a slightly different version. This possibility has been discussed in several previous articles on some of the other Ebola threads.

Yes just like the swine flu etc. I'm with you wouldn't the people still be at risk for catching a different variant? Especially if they are immunocompromised from being infected initially.
 

Doomer Doug

TB Fanatic
The two threads need to be combined. Assuming Ebola develops the airborne vector, which is coughing and sneezing only. Yes, it is CONFIRMED that the mental chaos of late stage Ebola patients leads them to anger management issues. It is CONFIRMED that as they rant and rave they spew saliva and droplets out a few feet. Assuming this spittle and saliva is infected, which I do, you have the potential for the airborne body fluids to possibly infect people. If it gets into an eye, or nose the potential is certainly there.

For the record, the official medical airborne vector is ONLY via sneezing and coughing. The spittle spewing, while "airborne" is not considered true airborne since it doesn't come up from infected lung tissue.

At any rate, despite the Canadian report, I am not prepared to say that Ebola has mutated to an airborne vector. It may do so as it lurches from one mutation to another. If it does eventually get the ability to have live virus in either a sneeze or a cough, well it is all over for the human species. An Ebola virus with a minimum of 50 percent kill rate, spread by coughing and sneezing, will wipe out hundreds of millions, and potentially one to two billion, human beings.
 

dstraito

TB Fanatic
The only reason I can think of that it is mutating so rapidly where it didn't before is someone with a god complex is manipulating it to try and find that special combination that can reduced the world population quicker.
 

AzProtector

Veteran Member
What I take from this is that scientists and Drs are finally doing what we here at TB do all the time.
What We’re Afraid to Say About Ebola


MINNEAPOLIS — THE Ebola epidemic in West Africa has the potential to alter history as much as any plague has ever done.

There have been more than 4,300 cases and 2,300 deaths over the past six months. Last week, the World Health Organization warned that, by early October, there may be thousands of new cases per week in Liberia, Sierra Leone, Guinea and Nigeria. What is not getting said publicly, despite briefings and discussions in the inner circles of the world’s public health agencies, is that we are in totally uncharted waters and that Mother Nature is the only force in charge of the crisis at this time.

There are two possible future chapters to this story that should keep us up at night.

The first possibility is that the Ebola virus spreads from West Africa to megacities in other regions of the developing world. This outbreak is very different from the 19 that have occurred in Africa over the past 40 years. It is much easier to control Ebola infections in isolated villages. But there has been a 300 percent increase in Africa’s population over the last four decades, much of it in large city slums. What happens when an infected person yet to become ill travels by plane to Lagos, Nairobi, Kinshasa or Mogadishu — or even Karachi, Jakarta, Mexico City or Dhaka?

The second possibility is one that virologists are loath to discuss openly but are definitely considering in private: that an Ebola virus could mutate to become transmissible through the air. You can now get Ebola only through direct contact with bodily fluids. But viruses like Ebola are notoriously sloppy in replicating, meaning the virus entering one person may be genetically different from the virus entering the next. The current Ebola virus’s hyper-evolution is unprecedented; there has been more human-to-human transmission in the past four months than most likely occurred in the last 500 to 1,000 years. Each new infection represents trillions of throws of the genetic dice.

If certain mutations occurred, it would mean that just breathing would put one at risk of contracting Ebola. Infections could spread quickly to every part of the globe, as the H1N1 influenza virus did in 2009, after its birth in Mexico.

Why are public officials afraid to discuss this? They don’t want to be accused of screaming “Fire!” in a crowded theater — as I’m sure some will accuse me of doing. But the risk is real, and until we consider it, the world will not be prepared to do what is necessary to end the epidemic.

In 2012, a team of Canadian researchers proved that Ebola Zaire, the same virus that is causing the West Africa outbreak, could be transmitted by the respiratory route from pigs to monkeys, both of whose lungs are very similar to those of humans. Richard Preston’s 1994 best seller “The Hot Zone” chronicled a 1989 outbreak of a different strain, Ebola Reston virus, among monkeys at a quarantine station near Washington. The virus was transmitted through breathing, and the outbreak ended only when all the monkeys were euthanized. We must consider that such transmissions could happen between humans, if the virus mutates.


So what must we do that we are not doing?


A Security Council resolution could give the United Nations total responsibility for controlling the outbreak, while respecting West African nations’ sovereignty as much as possible. The United Nations could, for instance, secure aircraft and landing rights. Many private airlines are refusing to fly into the affected countries, making it very difficult to deploy critical supplies and personnel. The Group of 7 countries’ military air and ground support must be brought in to ensure supply chains for medical and infection-control products, as well as food and water for quarantined areas.


The United Nations should provide whatever number of beds are needed; the World Health Organization has recommended 1,500, but we may need thousands more. It should also coordinate the recruitment and training around the world of medical and nursing staff, in particular by bringing in local residents who have survived Ebola, and are no longer at risk of infection. Many countries are pledging medical resources, but donations will not result in an effective treatment system if no single group is responsible for coordinating them.

Finally, we have to remember that Ebola isn’t West Africa’s only problem. Tens of thousands die there each year from diseases like AIDS, malaria and tuberculosis. Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea have among the highest maternal mortality rates in the world. Because people are now too afraid of contracting Ebola to go to the hospital, very few are getting basic medical care. In addition, many health care workers have been infected with Ebola, and more than 120 have died. Liberia has only 250 doctors left, for a population of four million.

This is about humanitarianism and self-interest. If we wait for vaccines and new drugs to arrive to end the Ebola epidemic, instead of taking major action now, we risk the disease’s reaching from West Africa to our own backyards.

Michael T. Osterholm is the director of the Center for Infectious Disease Research and Policy at the University of Minnesota.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/12/o...dit_tnt_20140911&nlid=745484&tntemail0=y&_r=2
 

Doomer Doug

TB Fanatic
I am not saying Ebola doesn't have the potential to mutate into a virus that uses the airborne vector. I am saying that there is little evidence, at least that I can find, that is already done so. I find no documented evidence, other than the raving lunatic spitting on people, that any human has been infected with Ebola from somebody coughing and sneezing on them like with the common cold. Again, if that happens, the human race will be devastated from airborne Ebola.

The jury is still out on that airborne vector. I do not rule it out, but I have seen no credible humans, repeat humans, can get infected by Ebola via the airborne vector. Pigs and monkeys are claimed by the Canadian study so I will admit that. Still, pigs and monkeys are "like" us, but they are not human.
 

msswv123

Veteran Member
The two threads need to be combined. Assuming Ebola develops the airborne vector, which is coughing and sneezing only. Yes, it is CONFIRMED that the mental chaos of late stage Ebola patients leads them to anger management issues. It is CONFIRMED that as they rant and rave they spew saliva and droplets out a few feet. Assuming this spittle and saliva is infected, which I do, you have the potential for the airborne body fluids to possibly infect people. If it gets into an eye, or nose the potential is certainly there.

For the record, the official medical airborne vector is ONLY via sneezing and coughing. The spittle spewing, while "airborne" is not considered true airborne since it doesn't come up from infected lung tissue.

At any rate, despite the Canadian report, I am not prepared to say that Ebola has mutated to an airborne vector. It may do so as it lurches from one mutation to another. If it does eventually get the ability to have live virus in either a sneeze or a cough, well it is all over for the human species. An Ebola virus with a minimum of 50 percent kill rate, spread by coughing and sneezing, will wipe out hundreds of millions, and potentially one to two billion, human beings.


I don't have a problem with this thread being merged with main thread...Just wanted everyone to see it and was surprised it was headline on drudge this morning.
 

Warthog

Black Out
still totally shocked there are no travel restrictions being put into place, guess its racist to keep black people from spreading a fatal disease, mind boggling
But the other night on TV Obama said his main job was the protection of the American people.:hmm:
 
Top