CORONA Dr. Fauci Says US COVID-19 US Deaths Could Be As Low As 60K After Warning "Millions Could Die"

[Blacknarwhal]

"Okay so I maybe possibly kinda sorta overestimated deaths by a factor of at least 16 or so, and whipped the country into a frenzy over nothing, but hey! Grandma! No one wants Grandma to die, right? ...what are you doing with that rope?"

Fair use cited so on and so forth.

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ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

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Dr. Fauci Says US COVID-19 US Deaths Could Be As Low As 60K After Warning "Millions Could Die"

by Tyler Durden
Thu, 04/09/2020 - 09:10

A few weeks ago, Dr. Anthony Fauci sat down in front of Congress and warned that millions of Americans could die if the federal government didn't take the outbreak seriously.

And now, after the Trump Administration scrambled to ramp up testing capacity and the states worked with the Feds, private entities, and others (including in some cases foreign nations) to distribute ventilators as Gov. Andrew Cuomo painted a horrifying portrait of sickened New Yorkers suffocating to death in hospital hallways because there were no ventilators available.

Well, yesterday, NYC Mayor de Blasio said that, after a few days of near capacity numbers, hospitalizations have dropped by such a steep degree that the city believes it has enough ventilators on hand, and won't need any more.

Now on Thursday, Dr. Fauci is taking to cable news to spread the message of optimism that has lifted US stocks over the past few days: Instead of the 240k figure used by President Trump as recently as two weeks ago, Dr. Fauci told NBC News that if the public continued to stick to the "mitigation efforts", that the death toll might be as low as 60k.





To be sure, while lockdown conditions are in place around the world, there are still a dozen or so states who don't have mandatory closure or curfew orders in place.


Dr. Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, said he’s "cautiously optimistic" that the US might soon see cases reach the back-side of the curve as the "turnaround and that curve not only flatten, but are coming down.” He made clear, however, that the virus is never going to disappear, and things will still be different even after we've finished going "back to normal".

"When we attempt to get back to normal, we have to have in place the ability, when it starts to try and rear its ugly head, we can absolutely suppress it by identification, isolation, contact tracing,” he said.

He also warned that this outbreak is a "wake up call", warning that more serious outbreaks might occur in the future.

"When you're talking about getting back to normal, we know now that we can get hit by a catastrophic outbreak like this,” he said. “It can happen again, so we really need to be prepared to respond in a much more vigorous way.”

Additionally, during an interview with CBS News (the good doctor routinely makes at least 2-3 appearances on cable news a day, an extremely rigorous media schedule in light of his many responsibilities), Dr. Fauci warned that Americans might be able to take their summer vacations if we continue sticking to the "mitigation strategies", and prevent a full-one "resurgence" of the virus, he said on "CBS This Morning".

"It can be in the cards," he said.

But, Dr. Fauci warned, "and I say that with some caution, because as I said, when we do that, when we pull back and try to open up the country, as we often use that terminology, we have to be prepared that when the infections start to rear their heads again that we have it in place a very aggressive and effective way to identify, isolate, contract trace and make sure we don't have those spikes we have now. So the answer to your question is yes, if we do the things that we need to do to prevent the resurgence."

Getting back to normal is not like a light switch that you turn on and off, Fauci said, adding it’ll be gradual and depend on where in the country you live.

"The bottom line of it all is, that what we see looking forward, it is very likely that we will progress towards the steps towards normalization as we get to the end of this thirty days. And I think that’s going to be a good time to look and see how quickly can we make that move to try and normalize. But hopefully, and hopefully, by the time we get to the summer we will have taken many steps in that direction," he added.

Asked if he would be taking a vacation, Fauci smiled and laughed: “I don’t take vacations," he replied.

 

[Dozdoats]

I hope Fauci is comfortable in Bill Gates' pocket.

 

[CTFIREBATTCHIEF]

I hope that some state governor's start seeing the light soon that they are going to have to start lifting restrictions or people are going to start pushback against them over this stuff. That pushback may just manifest itself at the ballot box this fall for those who are up for re-election. Local officials in cities and towns as well. I've a hunch that the "social distance" tolerance of the American people (those who are not good little stazi and LOVE the idea of clicking an app on the computer to turn in their neighbor)is about done.

 

[Hawkgirl_70]

I hope that some state governor's start seeing the light soon that they are going to have to start lifting restrictions or people are going to start pushback against them over this stuff. That pushback may just manifest itself at the ballot box this fall for those who are up for re-election. Local officials in cities and towns as well. I've a hunch that the "social distance" tolerance of the American people (those who are not good little stazi and LOVE the idea of clicking an app on the computer to turn in their neighbor)is about done.

I hope our Governor here in Missouri will be one of the first to open back up.
Leave it up to the cities, STL, KC, Springfield, and Columbia area Mayors to re-open or not (where most of the cases are)
We have had ONE case in our county of 10,000 people. And it's a mild case and she's at home.
Counties still around us and in southern Missouri with NO cases still. Lots of other counties with 1 to 3.
This is just rediculous to almost shut everything down for 1 freaking case!!!

 

[Blacknarwhal]

I hope that some state governor's start seeing the light soon that they are going to have to start lifting restrictions or people are going to start pushback against them over this stuff. That pushback may just manifest itself at the ballot box this fall for those who are up for re-election. Local officials in cities and towns as well. I've a hunch that the "social distance" tolerance of the American people (those who are not good little stazi and LOVE the idea of clicking an app on the computer to turn in their neighbor)is about done.

Agreed. The 2022 election for Halfwhitmer is going to be a gas, I'm sure.

 

[Shadow]

20-60k is in the range for flu. Their credibility is at stake here.

Shadow

 

[Cacheman]

So how long are we going to continue to believe these "scientists:" when they haven't been right on anything they have predicted yet? Are we going to continue our economic destruction to solve a problem that is at this time being predicted to be slightly worse than one of our normal flu seasons.

 

[packyderms_wife]

I thought the death toll was around 88k as of noon today?

 

[Blacknarwhal]

I thought the death toll was around 88k as of noon today?

Worldwide, I believe. 60K, eventually, for the US.

 

[Jubilee on Earth]

I hope our Governor here in Missouri will be one of the first to open back up.
Leave it up to the cities, STL, KC, Springfield, and Columbia area Mayors to re-open or not (where most of the cases are)
We have had ONE case in our county of 10,000 people. And it's a mild case and she's at home.
Counties still around us and in southern Missouri with NO cases still. Lots of other counties with 1 to 3.
This is just rediculous to almost shut everything down for 1 freaking case!!!

I live roughly 35 miles from Springfield. I'm all for this, as long as they can quarantine and lock down the borders of those cities/counties that are affected. Before the state lockdown, people were coming to our small town from Springfield looking for toilet paper, sanitizer, etc. No thank you. They need to stay there. The case and hospitalization rate continue to increase in Missouri, which means we don't want to relax things and allow businesses and restaurants to open just yet. That will attract the city folk.

https://health.mo.gov/living/healthcondiseases/communicable/novel-coronavirus/pdf/gov-dashboard.pdf

 

[Cacheman]

We'll never know the true number of deaths actually caused by the China virus....

The CDC Confesses to Lying About COVID-19 Death Numbers

Can any government statistics on COVID-19 deaths be trusted? It is an open question now that we are learning that the highly respected, world-class Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has been lying to us. This revelation comes a f...

www.americanthinker.com

The CDC Confesses to Lying About COVID-19 Death Numbers
By Matthew Vadum

15-19 minutes


Can any government statistics on COVID-19 deaths be trusted?

It is an open question now that we are learning that the highly respected, world-class Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has been lying to us.

This revelation comes a few days after I wrote here at American Thinker that New York City was lying about COVID-19 deaths. The normal rules about reporting deaths have been violated by that city in the rush to inflate the body count, presumably to steer more taxpayer money to the Big Apple.

That the CDC isn’t telling the truth to Americans is no conspiracy theory: it’s right out there in the open for everyone to see. The CDC openly admits that it is fudging the COVID-19 death figures.

We know this because, among other truth-tellers, a plainspoken small-town physician from Kalispell, Montana, has pulled back the curtain.

Dr. Annie Bukacek, MD, explained in a presentation how death certificates are made. (See “Montana physician Dr. Annie Bukacek discusses how COVID-19 death certificates are being manipulated,” YouTube, April 6)
Why should anyone care how a certificate of death is made?

Everyone should care “today when governments are making massive changes that affect our constitutional rights and those changes are based on inaccurate statistics,” Bukacek says.
The system is deeply flawed, she argues.

Few people know how much individual power and leeway is given to the physician, coroner, or medical examiner, signing the death certificate. How do I know this? I've been filling out death certificates for over 30 years.

More often than we want to admit, we don’t know with certainty the cause of death when we fill out death certificates. That is just life. We are doctors, not God. Autopsies are rarely performed and even when an autopsy is done the actual cause of death is not always clear. Physicians make their best guesstimate and fill out the form. Then that listed cause of death … is entered into a vital records data bank to use for statistical analysis, which then gives out inaccurate numbers, as you can imagine. Those inaccurate numbers then become accepted as factual information even though much of it is false.

This has been the way it has been done for some time, Bukacek says.

So even before we heard of COVID-19, death certificates were based on assumptions and educated guesses that go unquestioned. When it comes to COVID-19 there is the additional data skewer, that is –get this— there is no universal definition of COVID-19 death. The Centers for Disease Control, updated from yesterday, April 4th, still states that mortality, quote unquote, data includes both confirmed and presumptive positive cases of COVID-19. That’s from their website.
Translation? The CDC counts both true COVID-19 cases and speculative guesses of COVID-19 the same. They call it death by COVID-19. They automatically overestimate the real death numbers, by their own admission. Prior to COVID-19, people were more likely to get an accurate cause of death written on their death certificate if they died in the hospital. Why more accurate when a patient dies in the hospital? Because hospital staff has physical examination findings labs, radiologic studies, et cetera, to make a good educated guess. It is estimated that 60 percent of people die in the hospital. But even [with] those in-hospital deaths, the cause of death is not always clear, especially in someone with multiple health conditions, each of which could cause the death.

Bukacek refers to a March 24 CDC memo from Steven Schwartz, director of the Division of Vital Statistics for the National Center for Health Statistics, titled “COVID-19 Alert No. 2.”
“The assumption of COVID-19 death,” she says, “can be made even without testing. Based on assumption alone the death can be reported to the public as another COVID-19 casualty.”
There is a question-and-answer section on the memo.
One question is, “Will COVID-19 be the underlying cause?”
The answer is: “The underlying cause depends upon what and where conditions are reported on the death certificate. However, the rules for coding and selection of the underlying cause of death are expected to result in COVID-19 being the underlying cause more often than not.”
Another question is, “Should ‘COVID-19’ be reported on the death certificate only with a confirmed test?”
The answer is:

“COVID-19 should be reported on the death certificate for all decedents where the disease caused or is assumed to have caused or contributed to death.” [Boldfacing in original]

“You could see how these statistics have been made to look really scary when it is so easy to add false numbers to the official database,” Bukacek says. “Those false numbers are sanctioned by the CDC.”

“The real number of COVID-19 deaths are not what most people are told and what they then think,” she says.
“How many people have actually died from COVID-19 is anyone’s guess … but based on how death certificates are being filled out, you can be certain the number is substantially lower than what we are being told. Based on inaccurate, incomplete data people are being terrorized by fearmongers into relinquishing cherished freedoms.”

It’s hard to argue with what Dr. Bukacek says, but no doubt angry social media mobs will find a way as her chilling words enlighten the populace that has been bullied into submission.

Of course, the disease’s body count is not the sole concern we should have about the Chinese contagion, but it is undeniably the primary driver of the rampant mass hysteria that has allowed state and local governments across America to crush our cherished civil liberties.

As they say in newsrooms: if it bleeds, it leads. Deaths are always going to be more “sexy” than confirmed cases. It is the number that really, really counts, and Americans know this.

The fraudulent death statistics also give ammunition to the legions of snitches and scolds who try to shame their fellow Americans for attending church or playing catch in an empty park or taking a harmless drive in the countryside to prevent themselves from going stir-crazy.

The fake death data from the CDC, coupled with wild guesstimates from experts, and the relentless barrage of fear porn the mainstream media subjects Americans to around the clock, have been getting results, even with a plague that is, so far at least, underperforming.

First, experts told us 2.2 million Americans would die. Then the number fell off a cliff, plunging down to around 200,000.
As of April 8, the number of those expected to die from the disease by August 4 was down to 60,000, or roughly a very nasty flu season. The new figure comes from the influential model produced by the University of Washington that the White House regularly cites.

Has social-distancing, wearing face masks, hosing down packages with bleach, using hand sanitizer that is at least 60 percent alcohol, and washing hands with soap and water for a minimum of 20 seconds helped bring the grim worst-case-scenario body count down?

Probably, I’m guessing, but it’s hard to know for sure.

Maybe those epidemiological modelers can be forgiven for scaring the bejeezus out of Americans. Epidemiology is not, after all, an exact science, as its practitioners sometimes acknowledge.

But those who have force-fed modelers skewed data that led to the terrifying death forecasts that stampeded governors into pushing the nation down the road to totalitarianism need to be held to account.

Let the investigations begin.

 

[Blazen]

But will there be Congressional and Senate hearing with charges? I don't think so!

 

[Delta]

When it comes to the future, no one is an expert.

 

[The Snack Artist]

Hmmm.....how can someone make tons of money off this pandemic? You answer that and I bet you come up with answers as to why they're trying to inflate covid numbers. It's not a coordinated effort to make Fauci look good. That goal is just too small. You have to think in trillions of dollars.

 

[straightstreet]

But will there be Congressional and Senate hearing with charges? I don't think so!

Yes but it will be for Pres Trump!

 

[straightstreet]

We'll never know the true number of deaths actually caused by the China virus....

The CDC Confesses to Lying About COVID-19 Death Numbers

Can any government statistics on COVID-19 deaths be trusted? It is an open question now that we are learning that the highly respected, world-class Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has been lying to us. This revelation comes a f...

www.americanthinker.com

The CDC Confesses to Lying About COVID-19 Death Numbers
By Matthew Vadum

15-19 minutes


Can any government statistics on COVID-19 deaths be trusted?

It is an open question now that we are learning that the highly respected, world-class Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has been lying to us.

This revelation comes a few days after I wrote here at American Thinker that New York City was lying about COVID-19 deaths. The normal rules about reporting deaths have been violated by that city in the rush to inflate the body count, presumably to steer more taxpayer money to the Big Apple.

That the CDC isn’t telling the truth to Americans is no conspiracy theory: it’s right out there in the open for everyone to see. The CDC openly admits that it is fudging the COVID-19 death figures.

We know this because, among other truth-tellers, a plainspoken small-town physician from Kalispell, Montana, has pulled back the curtain.

Dr. Annie Bukacek, MD, explained in a presentation how death certificates are made. (See “Montana physician Dr. Annie Bukacek discusses how COVID-19 death certificates are being manipulated,” YouTube, April 6)
Why should anyone care how a certificate of death is made?

Everyone should care “today when governments are making massive changes that affect our constitutional rights and those changes are based on inaccurate statistics,” Bukacek says.
The system is deeply flawed, she argues.

This has been the way it has been done for some time, Bukacek says.

Bukacek refers to a March 24 CDC memo from Steven Schwartz, director of the Division of Vital Statistics for the National Center for Health Statistics, titled “COVID-19 Alert No. 2.”
“The assumption of COVID-19 death,” she says, “can be made even without testing. Based on assumption alone the death can be reported to the public as another COVID-19 casualty.”
There is a question-and-answer section on the memo.
One question is, “Will COVID-19 be the underlying cause?”
The answer is: “The underlying cause depends upon what and where conditions are reported on the death certificate. However, the rules for coding and selection of the underlying cause of death are expected to result in COVID-19 being the underlying cause more often than not.”
Another question is, “Should ‘COVID-19’ be reported on the death certificate only with a confirmed test?”
The answer is:

“You could see how these statistics have been made to look really scary when it is so easy to add false numbers to the official database,” Bukacek says. “Those false numbers are sanctioned by the CDC.”

“The real number of COVID-19 deaths are not what most people are told and what they then think,” she says.
“How many people have actually died from COVID-19 is anyone’s guess … but based on how death certificates are being filled out, you can be certain the number is substantially lower than what we are being told. Based on inaccurate, incomplete data people are being terrorized by fearmongers into relinquishing cherished freedoms.”

It’s hard to argue with what Dr. Bukacek says, but no doubt angry social media mobs will find a way as her chilling words enlighten the populace that has been bullied into submission.

Of course, the disease’s body count is not the sole concern we should have about the Chinese contagion, but it is undeniably the primary driver of the rampant mass hysteria that has allowed state and local governments across America to crush our cherished civil liberties.

As they say in newsrooms: if it bleeds, it leads. Deaths are always going to be more “sexy” than confirmed cases. It is the number that really, really counts, and Americans know this.

The fraudulent death statistics also give ammunition to the legions of snitches and scolds who try to shame their fellow Americans for attending church or playing catch in an empty park or taking a harmless drive in the countryside to prevent themselves from going stir-crazy.

The fake death data from the CDC, coupled with wild guesstimates from experts, and the relentless barrage of fear porn the mainstream media subjects Americans to around the clock, have been getting results, even with a plague that is, so far at least, underperforming.

First, experts told us 2.2 million Americans would die. Then the number fell off a cliff, plunging down to around 200,000.
As of April 8, the number of those expected to die from the disease by August 4 was down to 60,000, or roughly a very nasty flu season. The new figure comes from the influential model produced by the University of Washington that the White House regularly cites.

Has social-distancing, wearing face masks, hosing down packages with bleach, using hand sanitizer that is at least 60 percent alcohol, and washing hands with soap and water for a minimum of 20 seconds helped bring the grim worst-case-scenario body count down?

Probably, I’m guessing, but it’s hard to know for sure.

Maybe those epidemiological modelers can be forgiven for scaring the bejeezus out of Americans. Epidemiology is not, after all, an exact science, as its practitioners sometimes acknowledge.

But those who have force-fed modelers skewed data that led to the terrifying death forecasts that stampeded governors into pushing the nation down the road to totalitarianism need to be held to account.

Let the investigations begin.

So why is our country still closed!

 

[Richard]

When it comes to the future, no one is an expert.

I don't know why they make these predictions with actual numbers when they and everyone else haven't a clue...yet.

 

[Troke]

I hope our Governor here in Missouri will be one of the first to open back up.
Leave it up to the cities, STL, KC, Springfield, and Columbia area Mayors to re-open or not (where most of the cases are)
We have had ONE case in our county of 10,000 people. And it's a mild case and she's at home.
Counties still around us and in southern Missouri with NO cases still. Lots of other counties with 1 to 3.
This is just rediculous to almost shut everything down for 1 freaking case!!!

Ahhhhhhhhhh......one case, a shutdown and no more cases? Sounds good to me compared to what is going on in other places. So what's the beef? (Metaphor there)

 

[Dobbin]

I think I'm glad Trump is leader of the pack.

Dobbin

 

[ArisenCarcass]

We'll never know the true number of deaths actually caused by the China virus....

The CDC Confesses to Lying About COVID-19 Death Numbers

Can any government statistics on COVID-19 deaths be trusted? It is an open question now that we are learning that the highly respected, world-class Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has been lying to us. This revelation comes a f...

www.americanthinker.com

The CDC Confesses to Lying About COVID-19 Death Numbers
By Matthew Vadum

15-19 minutes


Can any government statistics on COVID-19 deaths be trusted?

It is an open question now that we are learning that the highly respected, world-class Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) has been lying to us.

This revelation comes a few days after I wrote here at American Thinker that New York City was lying about COVID-19 deaths. The normal rules about reporting deaths have been violated by that city in the rush to inflate the body count, presumably to steer more taxpayer money to the Big Apple.

That the CDC isn’t telling the truth to Americans is no conspiracy theory: it’s right out there in the open for everyone to see. The CDC openly admits that it is fudging the COVID-19 death figures.

We know this because, among other truth-tellers, a plainspoken small-town physician from Kalispell, Montana, has pulled back the curtain.

Dr. Annie Bukacek, MD, explained in a presentation how death certificates are made. (See “Montana physician Dr. Annie Bukacek discusses how COVID-19 death certificates are being manipulated,” YouTube, April 6)
Why should anyone care how a certificate of death is made?

Everyone should care “today when governments are making massive changes that affect our constitutional rights and those changes are based on inaccurate statistics,” Bukacek says.
The system is deeply flawed, she argues.

This has been the way it has been done for some time, Bukacek says.

Bukacek refers to a March 24 CDC memo from Steven Schwartz, director of the Division of Vital Statistics for the National Center for Health Statistics, titled “COVID-19 Alert No. 2.”
“The assumption of COVID-19 death,” she says, “can be made even without testing. Based on assumption alone the death can be reported to the public as another COVID-19 casualty.”
There is a question-and-answer section on the memo.
One question is, “Will COVID-19 be the underlying cause?”
The answer is: “The underlying cause depends upon what and where conditions are reported on the death certificate. However, the rules for coding and selection of the underlying cause of death are expected to result in COVID-19 being the underlying cause more often than not.”
Another question is, “Should ‘COVID-19’ be reported on the death certificate only with a confirmed test?”
The answer is:

“You could see how these statistics have been made to look really scary when it is so easy to add false numbers to the official database,” Bukacek says. “Those false numbers are sanctioned by the CDC.”

“The real number of COVID-19 deaths are not what most people are told and what they then think,” she says.
“How many people have actually died from COVID-19 is anyone’s guess … but based on how death certificates are being filled out, you can be certain the number is substantially lower than what we are being told. Based on inaccurate, incomplete data people are being terrorized by fearmongers into relinquishing cherished freedoms.”

It’s hard to argue with what Dr. Bukacek says, but no doubt angry social media mobs will find a way as her chilling words enlighten the populace that has been bullied into submission.

Of course, the disease’s body count is not the sole concern we should have about the Chinese contagion, but it is undeniably the primary driver of the rampant mass hysteria that has allowed state and local governments across America to crush our cherished civil liberties.

As they say in newsrooms: if it bleeds, it leads. Deaths are always going to be more “sexy” than confirmed cases. It is the number that really, really counts, and Americans know this.

The fraudulent death statistics also give ammunition to the legions of snitches and scolds who try to shame their fellow Americans for attending church or playing catch in an empty park or taking a harmless drive in the countryside to prevent themselves from going stir-crazy.

The fake death data from the CDC, coupled with wild guesstimates from experts, and the relentless barrage of fear porn the mainstream media subjects Americans to around the clock, have been getting results, even with a plague that is, so far at least, underperforming.

First, experts told us 2.2 million Americans would die. Then the number fell off a cliff, plunging down to around 200,000.
As of April 8, the number of those expected to die from the disease by August 4 was down to 60,000, or roughly a very nasty flu season. The new figure comes from the influential model produced by the University of Washington that the White House regularly cites.

Has social-distancing, wearing face masks, hosing down packages with bleach, using hand sanitizer that is at least 60 percent alcohol, and washing hands with soap and water for a minimum of 20 seconds helped bring the grim worst-case-scenario body count down?

Probably, I’m guessing, but it’s hard to know for sure.

Maybe those epidemiological modelers can be forgiven for scaring the bejeezus out of Americans. Epidemiology is not, after all, an exact science, as its practitioners sometimes acknowledge.

But those who have force-fed modelers skewed data that led to the terrifying death forecasts that stampeded governors into pushing the nation down the road to totalitarianism need to be held to account.

Let the investigations begin.

So if someone is older and have a heart attack or dies of pneumonia, and testing finds that I had kung flu, it is counted for the stats.
I'm cool with that.
The FACT that COVID-19 exacerbates underlying conditions and can cause premature death due to cardiopulmonary and renal disruption of cells with ACE-2 receptors is well known and accepted, even on this site.

At the other end, many doctors were using a combination of negative "regular seasonal" flu tests and chest CT scans to diagnose kung flu, especially when the actual COVID tests were scarce. If one didn't get tested, but dies of hallmark COVID-19 symptoms, why should they waste a test on a corpse?
I also have no problem with this being counted in the stats.

I haven't read of a single case of an actual non-Coronavirus-caused-death being counted in the stats (though I've read a bunch of reports about under-counting.....especially from China).

I'm still in the wait and see camp.

"We will never know if we've done too much to avert disaster.
It will, however, be glaringly obvious if we didn't do enough."

 

[Dozdoats]

how can someone make tons of money off this pandemic?

Bill Gates is developing a vaccine. And building the infrastructure to produce it. Fauci is in Gates' pocket, as I said earlier in the thread.

But profiteering and corruption are not what the good doktah is interested in, OH NOES!

 

[Anti-Liberal]

They can take that vaccine and shove up their ass. I WILL NEVER take it nor will my family. People will end up getting shot in the face trying to force this vaccine. Only a dumbass would take a 'Bill Gates' vaccine.

 

[Thunderbird]

Why does this guy have ANY credibility?

 

[von Koehler]

I am becoming more and more suspicious of Dr. Fauci; he has a known association with a lot of "deep state" actors.
His recommendation to shut down the economy until the very last case of coronavirus ends results in the utter collapse of the USA.

von Koehler

 

[Old Gray Mare]

I don't think they have a clue what the real numbers are or are going to be. I keep hearing... "We're at the peak, peak next week, this week, in three weeks,,,". I don't think we'll know where the peak is until after this is long over and the bodies are counted.

As for letting the economy breath? They have to or come up with food and shelter for people running out of both or there will be civil unrest. They can call it panic all they want but a lot hungry people with no relief in sight = riots and civil unrest.

 

[mistaken1]

No one may buy or sell unless they have 'the vaccine' .....

 

[Anti-Liberal]

No one may buy or sell unless they have 'the vaccine' .....

This^^^. However, If they try to implement this there will be blood in the streets. This could be what they want but they will have their hands full. Can you imagine telling someone they can't have resources they or their families need to survive? It says in the Bible that it WILL happen someday but you'd figure they would try to get at least some of the guns out of our hands before they try it. No doubt that if this happens there will be such chaos that the anti-christ will be stepping out shortly after to bring peace.

 

[Blacknarwhal]

No one may buy or sell unless they have 'the vaccine' .....

...um...you know, not to spoil a good head of doom already in progress, but if you've got cash, you'd likely still be able to buy and sell without the "Bill Gates vaccine", if that's what we're calling it. Unless you think that every gas station will be inspecting your left hand or forehead for the mark of the vaccine before selling you that Snickers bar, which is possible, but seems unlikely.

 

[mistaken1]

...um...you know, not to spoil a good head of doom already in progress, but if you've got cash, you'd likely still be able to buy and sell without the "Bill Gates vaccine", if that's what we're calling it. Unless you think that every gas station will be inspecting your left hand or forehead for the mark of the vaccine before selling you that Snickers bar, which is possible, but seems unlikely.

As you have pointed out many times .... (for most) without employment the cash runs out and then ..... ?

 

[Blacknarwhal]

As you have pointed out many times .... (for most) without employment the cash runs out and then ..... ?

True, but if you have the cash, you can still buy and sell. The Bible makes it pretty clear that, with the actual Mark, you have to have it before you can buy or sell.

 

[Doomer Doug]

Sheesh, we are led by globalist fools. New York has a total of 170,000 cases, and lists 777 deaths. I never played the kill game because I understood you will have to wait six months and then average all the age groups etc. The other thing I got was this will LAST TO THE END OF 2020 MINIMUM. New York City is closing in on 8,000 dead alone and I see no indication that won't double it triple. Hell, Faust? may get his 70,000 out of New York City alone. People in Oregon are acting like it is over on 2 weeks.

 

[straightstreet]

I don't think they have a clue what the real numbers are or are going to be. I keep hearing... "We're at the peak, peak next week, this week, in three weeks,,,". I don't think we'll know where the peak is until after this is long over and the bodies are counted.

As for letting the economy breath? They have to or come up with food and shelter for people running out of both or there will be civil unrest. They can call it panic all they want but a lot hungry people with no relief in sight = riots and civil unrest.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1248292213676793856

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[straightstreet]

Trump to launch second coronavirus task force focused on economy

Trump plans to launch second coronavirus task force focused on economy

The second task force will include Trump's new chief of staff Mark Meadows, along with Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin and top economic aide Larry Kudlow, NBC reported.

www.cnbc.com

 

[Blacknarwhal]

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I'm not sure it's governors that will break out of the panic so much as Trump et al forcing their hand. He's still got control under the Defense Production Act, or whatever it was called.

 

[Old Gray Mare]

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True!
You can't cure a pandemic by killing an economy. #Coroanvirus

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1247710726766166017

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[Dozdoats]

This "economy" has been increasingly fraudulent and sick for SIXTY YEARS. Some weak sauce virus did not kill it.

 

[Tristan]

So if someone is older and have a heart attack or dies of pneumonia, and testing finds that I had kung flu, it is counted for the stats.
I'm cool with that.
The FACT that COVID-19 exacerbates underlying conditions and can cause premature death due to cardiopulmonary and renal disruption of cells with ACE-2 receptors is well known and accepted, even on this site.

At the other end, many doctors were using a combination of negative "regular seasonal" flu tests and chest CT scans to diagnose kung flu, especially when the actual COVID tests were scarce. If one didn't get tested, but dies of hallmark COVID-19 symptoms, why should they waste a test on a corpse?
I also have no problem with this being counted in the stats.

I haven't read of a single case of an actual non-Coronavirus-caused-death being counted in the stats (though I've read a bunch of reports about under-counting.....especially from China).

I'm still in the wait and see camp.

"We will never know if we've done too much to avert disaster.
It will, however, be glaringly obvious if we didn't do enough."

Yep. A lot of the numbers were necessarily of the best-diagnosis type, due to the lack of tests or the lack of reliable tests. IIRC, the first tests released had a very high false-negative, or was that the test kits from China? Either way, at some point (hopefully) testing will be ubiquitous and inexpensive, and the data will be of a higher quality, and of course the sooner the better.

Another thing, to Troke's point: isn't it a good thing that the efforts are paying off and keeping mortality lower than feared?

 

[Blacknarwhal]

This "economy" has been increasingly fraudulent and sick for SIXTY YEARS. Some weak sauce virus did not kill it.

You're absolutely right. The virus didn't kill the economy.

The government's preposterous overreaction to the virus, that's what's doing it.

 

[Raggedyman]

20-60k is in the range for flu. Their credibility is at stake here.

Shadow

INDEED - which is why everything possible gets tossed into the whu flu basket. truth told I'm not particularly worried over THIS run through global pop . . . its what may follow in the fall and during our next flu season that has me a bit wound up.

 

[von Koehler]

Posted Apr 11, 2020 by Martin Armstrong

Anthony Fauci has been mingling with Bill Gates’ father as well as Soros for a very long time.
I still think Trump was set up by this coronavirus panic in order to prevent his re-election.

Just so there is no misunderstanding of my position, I am NOT saying the coronavirus is harmless. The suffering and deaths are sadly all too real. But the most at-risk group appear to be the elderly, especially if they have underlying chronic medical conditions. Should the virus be studied? Yes. Treatments explored? Yes. Drugs investigated? Yes. Vaccines developed? Yes. Prophylactic procedures adopted? Yes. Self-isolation by the at-risk groups? Yes. Medical aid given to the sick? Yes.

But this should be the reaction to any and all waves of infections, not just this virus.

But shut down nearly the entire economy? Absolutely not. Unemployment is soaring to Great Depression levels.
Many small businesses will never reopen.

If the economy isn't re-opened soon, there won't be one to re-open.

von Koehler